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Omega General Help / Re: Cambelt jumped a tooth (or more?)
« on: 25 January 2009, 15:31:07 »
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OK, I'm into the timing belt area now. Looking at the check marks already tippex'd on the pulleys, the cams seem to line up in the right place... I'm a little confused as to all the notches though?
 I'm now looking at the bottom of the engine, crank pulley, and the notch is sitting in line with a "pointer"... see below for my slightly simplistic explanation.
That doesn't sound good, looks like whoever did the cambelt cange hasn't used the proper kit to do it :(

 Aye, unless he's used it simply as a quick-check guide.

 Having got to the stage I'm at now, I'd actually be confident to do the belt on a V6  in future, obviously borrowing the locking kit...

 Any idea on whether the pointer lining up with the notch is correct for a quick check, as my vague memory seems to think?

 

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Omega General Help / Re: Cambelt jumped a tooth (or more?)
« on: 25 January 2009, 15:01:08 »
OK, I'm into the timing belt area now. Looking at the check marks already tippex'd on the pulleys, the cams seem to line up in the right place... I'm a little confused as to all the notches though?
 I'm now looking at the bottom of the engine, crank pulley, and the notch is sitting in line with a "pointer"... see below for my slightly simplistic explanation.

The pulley immediately to the right of the water pump, the body behind it is cast into a pointer, from memory this means the crank is in the right place, if the top notches line up? I'll take a pic and upload it when I take a lunch break, in about 5 minutes...

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Omega General Help / Re: Cambelt jumped a tooth (or more?)
« on: 24 January 2009, 19:05:56 »
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What sort of noises is it making?

Kevin

 Honestly, I can't bear to start the engine now, last time I did, it sounded like Keith Moon trapped in a dustbin factory... but I'm a lot more sensitive to sounds from my own car. If it helps, I could take a quick video of it starting and post it on Photobucket? I'm already of the opinion, that if the engine's destroyed, so be it, and no harm in looking further...


That won't be a simple ignition problem. :( I might be inclined to have a peep under the cam belt cover before starting it again to make sure it's timed up accurately and everything is as it should be.


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...(tols are in disarray at the moment, having opened the case upside down)...

I hate it when that happens. >:(

Kevin

 Shall I take a quick video and risk possible engine destruction?

 And aye, it's even worse when it wasn't me who did it...

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Omega General Help / Re: Cambelt jumped a tooth (or more?)
« on: 24 January 2009, 18:41:51 »
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Have you popped out the coil packs and checked the plugs yet?

Nah, I've had too much on today, I'm going to get everything set up that I need now (tols are in disarray at the moment, having opened the case upside down), and start the job in daylight tomorrow. With buckets of tea.

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Omega General Help / Re: Cambelt jumped a tooth (or more?)
« on: 24 January 2009, 18:35:46 »
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What sort of noises is it making?

Kevin

 Honestly, I can't bear to start the engine now, last time I did, it sounded like Keith Moon trapped in a dustbin factory... but I'm a lot more sensitive to sounds from my own car. If it helps, I could take a quick video of it starting and post it on Photobucket? I'm already of the opinion, that if the engine's destroyed, so be it, and no harm in looking further...

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Omega General Help / Re: Cambelt jumped a tooth (or more?)
« on: 24 January 2009, 15:55:04 »
Update - the RAC man seems to have cleared the codes, since it's showing none stored (constant flashing, yes?). Tried starting it briefly, it did start but made even worse sounds than last time, knocked it off, seems it didn't have enough time to register any codes.
 
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As a point of reference ... what is the odometer reading?

 Somewhere in the region of 95k.

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Hi,
As your scan doesn't seem to show any crankshaft sensor fault, I would start with a visual checking of the Coil Per Plug units, oil in plug wells, water in plug wells etc before any slipped cambelt theories.

 

 I'll have a look at this tomorrow, then, before I start swearing at the cambelt... :y

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seaweed from exhaust

Blocked backbox?

Could well be worth investigating, I cleaned mainly around the gearbox mounts and suspension joints, I didn't go that far back... I'll have a look at that, too.



 Really appreciate the help, guys, it's keeping the blood pressure down... I'll start with the easy bits, see what state the backbox is in, I had a repair done to the joint about six months back, wondering if something's split again...
 Then I'll start looking at the top of the engine and taking pictures as I go... hopefully it will be something simple. Now to find a how-to to help...

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Omega General Help / Re: Cambelt jumped a tooth (or more?)
« on: 23 January 2009, 22:18:20 »
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I would say it sounds like a crank sensor or perhaps an ignition related misfire. If it was a cam belt problem it would not hve "recovered" after running rough IMHO.


 That's a good point... I like your thinking, largely due to the reeuced cost implication... :y

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Omega General Help / Cambelt jumped a tooth (or more?)
« on: 23 January 2009, 22:09:36 »
---WARNING - rambling long post, there's a summary of the main points at the bottom ---

Firstly, I read through all 22 pages of this thread - http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1153140766/315 - fantastic result, and really shows the OOF at it's best...

 Now, the other week I was out in the hills of Northumberland, and the EML flashed either two or three times, then came on permanently - no untoward sounds or judders, until I came to a junction and it had a slightly rough idle.
 Came to the next hill, the car lost power and refused to pull uphill. Dived into the next layby (luckily twas at the top of the hill), and turned it straight off. Gave it a couple of seconds, turned it back on, EML extinguished as normal, and the car idled fine and worked perfectly for the rest of the day.

 It's been fine, used it a couple of times a week, long and short journeys, fast back roads and A-roads, city driving, nothing unusual from the engine - apart from a hot smell that's been haunting the car for a while, I cleaned some seaweed from around the exhausts the other day and the smell seemed to be... less bad. Whether it was that (I didn't get it all off), or not, I'm not sure.

 Anyway, driving up the A19 at about 70mph (honestly, I was, for once...), about fifteen minutes into my journey, just cruising along as I was the last time... EML flashed a couple of times and came on again.
 I was about 1200yds from the services, so pulled in, the idle was a lot rougher, knocked it off, gave it a second and tried turning it on again...
 It took a good few seconds to fire, usually it fires first time, and then the idle was horrificly lumpy, the whole car shook - turned it straight off and called the RAC.

  Absolute top bloke came out, really friendly, I told him all of the above. He did the usual, check oil, coolant, then we fired it up again - same rough idle, and an awful rattling coming from the passenger side bank of cylinders (I'd say it was that side, we were 15ft from the A19 with passing traffic...). Turned it off, he loosened the belt cover and pulled it back, it seemed complete, obviously no way of seeing if it was lined up.
 We fired it up once more and it made the same cacophony, ran for about 20 seconds, then stalled with the EML flashing. For the sake of completeness, we scanned the codes with the engine off, it was showing "misfire cylinder 1" "misfire cylinder 4" and "misfire: random cylinders" - or words to that effect. He says he thinks it's jumped a tooth, if not more... based on my knowledge I'm inclined to agree.

 Hitched out the spec lift, put the Omega on backwards, and towed it the 15 miles home, me and OH in his van. Pushed it into the garage, where it's now sat looking a bit sorry for itself...

 Firstly, the mechanical sound - I can try to take a video, but think this will be risking complete destruction of the engine? Worth the risk to help diagnose?
 With this sound, I'm leaning towards a mechanical rather than electrical problem... unless there's a known sensor that could cause the problems?

 Cambelt and kit were done about 3-4k ago, at a garage - am I better off ringing him and getting him to have a look and listen, and if it's down to the belt or workmanship, it's up to him to repair? Will this be affected if I start dismantling the front of the engine?

 I'm a reasonably competent mechanic, done a fair few timing belts and head gaskets, but only on three- and four-bangers, never a Vee or Flat engine... If I follow the guides, maybe get the DVD and Haynes Book of Lies, is it within my range to take it to bits for a look? If so, I assume its a "simple" case of turning the engine round to line up one timing mark, and see if the rest correspond?

 Finally, from reading Merv's topic, it seems the best way if it has slipped, is to try a new belt and see if it works? If not, how much work am I looking at? If the engine's completely FUBAR, insurance depending, I might end up fitting a rebuilt 3.2...


 ---SUMMARY---

- Car lost power and idled roughly about two weeks ago EML flashed two or three times before illuminating
- When this happened, turning it off and back on again cured it, it's been fine since.

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- Cruising at 70mph, EML flashed two or three times before illuminating, same as last time - no idea if it lost power, as was a downhill cruise to the services. Idled roughly, so turned it off.
- Turned it back on, car still idled roughly, and worse than last time
- Awful knocking sound coming I believe from passenger side bank of cylinders
- Stalls after 20ish seconds of bad idle, with EML flashing
- RAC diagnosed valve timing fault
- Code scan shows "no.1 cylinder misfire", "no. 4 cylinder misfire", "misfire - random cylinders" (and the known precat problem)
- Cambelt replaced 3-4k ago, still guaranteed parts and labour
- Car is '02 2.6 MV6 manual
- Car had a hot smell from it over the past few months, possibly related
- Car takes longer than it should to warm up, diagnosed as sticking thermostat.
- Rocker gaskets were replaced at same garage, approx 1.5k miles ago


 I know I've not been on much, all my login details for most forums and email accounts were on my other, knackered PC, so I've done a 50 mile round trip to bro-in-law to retrieve them using his PC skills...  :y
 


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Omega General Help / Re: Omega 2.6 2001 Running Problem
« on: 28 January 2009, 18:37:12 »
Check you've got all the vacuum pipes back on in the right place... any EM light showing?

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Omega General Help / Re: Few Q's, sparks, clutch and cats
« on: 27 January 2009, 18:45:55 »
Could be Probably am talking codswallop, but there might be a connector just so the ECU knows what's what with the clutch - have a look for any loose wires around the pedal box, maybe?

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Omega General Help / Re: Airbag Warning
« on: 27 January 2009, 19:24:06 »
Common Omega fault, you can either get someone with a Tech2 to reset it... or, er, don't crash. ;)

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Omega General Help / Re: headlight adjustment
« on: 27 January 2009, 18:44:02 »
On here, s/hand xenons go for £40-50 each, or thereabouts... not sure if yours is xenons or not?

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Omega General Help / Re: Engine swapping
« on: 27 January 2009, 18:39:54 »
12 hour job in a garage, but if you do some prep work yourself, plenty of members have the knowledge and wherewithal to help you with the last bits...

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Omega General Help / Re: Water pump change with cambelts ?
« on: 27 January 2009, 18:51:10 »
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But getting that bloody aux belt off is a pain in the backside - Marks DTM makes it look easy in the DVD - I nearly cut a trough in the palm of my hand trying to 'whack the tensioner over' to release the belt!

 :-/ That's cos it is easy!  ;)  ;)
You need a longer 15mm spanner/socket & T-bar or a rag wrapped around your spanner.


That's what i was missing. Need to get a more comfortable spanner next time - or it could just be that I am a total wuss.

Ah, experience has taught me the best way to do tensioners - get the 15mm spanner, ring on the tensioner nut, then get another spanner, loop the ring around the open end of the 15mm, there's a certain way that they'll lock together. Then marvel at your own physics lesson in action, cos the tensioner will move easily... :y

(I know, clear as mud...)

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Omega General Help / Re: Ex police full beam issues
« on: 27 January 2009, 18:44:41 »
Always the simplest things, innit... nice one though :y

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