Topic: Opel, Vx Satnav Series HU's and Speed Camera Alerts (Read 4470 times)

zirk · « **on:** 16 February 2016, 18:30:19 »

This is probably a load of old Bollards but was having a chat with someone who's a Parts / Service Manager for one of the Nissan Dealers, some how we got on the subject of SatNavs, and he mentioned certain Map Disks for Nissan are compatible with Opel / Vx HU's and have the added benefit of being able to add UK Speed Camera Data?, any one come across this???

I'm kinda of guessing later NCDC units rather than the older Carin?

Dave DND · « **Reply #1 on:** 17 February 2016, 10:05:54 »

Can`t see it myself $:-\$

In the olden days, when CARIN was about, quite a few other marques also fitted it too, so there may be some merit in that

But you are talking of a system that has been obsolete for near 15 years now

zirk · « **Reply #2 on:** 17 February 2016, 16:51:33 »

My thoughts exactly, gut feeling is he may be a bit miss informed, although he's been with Nissan a few years now.

Thought I'd post up just in case we were missing a trick.

He may be able to get me a disk, over stock levels allowing, which could be interesting as half the Vx HU's these days wont even read a proper Vx one.

VXL V6 · « **Reply #3 on:** 17 February 2016, 18:15:17 »

Would be interesting to compare the file structure - folders, contents etc.

I've previously wondered if you could copy later compatible mapping data (Navteq for NCDx) into the correct location on a imaged version of the last (2011) map disc. I'm sure it's not that simple though!

biggriffin · « **Reply #4 on:** 17 February 2016, 18:28:22 »

The number of computer ~~nerds~~ people,that haunt this forum,i'am sure the answer is out there

zirk · « **Reply #5 on:** 17 February 2016, 18:29:57 »

The Speed Camera is just a database end of the day, anything from a CSV file upwards, a few years back when Nokia Maps stopped doing the Camera Base due to the French rules, I managed to copy a n other (Tom Tom I think) into the correct Directory and replaced a blank file with some success and got it working.

VXL V6 · « **Reply #6 on:** 17 February 2016, 18:37:12 »

Yep, I've used various free apps to convert POI files from one format to another with variable success.

It's the updated maps that are of primary interest to me.

zirk · « **Reply #7 on:** 17 February 2016, 18:53:40 »

Yea, that could be a bit more challenging, Nokia Maps, now called Here Maps has, as far as I know, taken over Navtech Maps, so there could be some new issues that are backward compatible across various ranges.

website Here - http://www.navigation.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/Navteq-NavteqEurope-Site/-/-/-/Default-Start

Online Here Nav - https://maps.here.com

TheBoy · « **Reply #8 on:** 17 February 2016, 19:17:46 »

More likely to be the "newer" 10yr old systems that the NCDC. The software for the NCDC is on the actual map disk (ignoring the bollards that Navteq claim - they are completely wrong), and hasn't been updated since about 2005.

Dave DND · « **Reply #9 on:** 18 February 2016, 09:58:08 »

In the early nineties, most Sat-Navs were standalone systems and it wouldn`t surprise me if software could be swapped as a Vauxhall CARIN, a Nissan CARIN and and aftermarket CARIN are pretty much the same unit - all displaying the Philips Logo and branding. I know that the replacement for the CARIN (when Philips became VDO DAYTON) did not use any backwards compatible software at the time and was heavily encrypted back then.

The "proper" sat navs that are integrated into the vehicle (ie high speed units for cars, as opposed to the cheap portable devices for hikers and bikers) all generally have some form of "update" on the disc for the operating system of the vehicle they are fitted to. Whilst there are very few Map/Software/Data providers that produce these discs, (usually Teleatlas or Navtech) and you may think that there should be some compatibilities there, don`t also forget that security software has also moved forwards leaps and bounds to prevent discs from being swapped as you are hoping. That said - if your can break the file structure to insert a later database - who knows?

I also have a deep suspicion (for the conspiricy theorists amongst you) that one of the reputable mapping providers for the VAG group has actually put a dodgy version online, where the download would corrupt the bios of the unit when loaded, with the underlying message of "stop using pirated software" and whilst we cannot prove this, we do see a good dozen Audi / VW Nav units here each week for the same problem !! Whoever wrote the software really knew what they were doing, as it also turns off the eject mech, so the counterfeit disc remains inside the unit.

Hmmm . . . .

BazaJT · « **Reply #10 on:** 18 February 2016, 19:35:04 »

OOOH,a conspiracy theory

Much loved on here they are

VXL V6 · « **Reply #11 on:** 18 February 2016, 19:58:49 »

I'd heard something similar regarding the VAG units as well. Also heard of a few people using VAG-COM to upgrade the flash card versions and ending up trashing the maps and the language defaulting back to German

TheBoy · « **Reply #12 on:** 20 February 2016, 10:12:20 »

Quote from: VXL V6 on 18 February 2016, 19:58:49

I'd heard something similar regarding the VAG units as well. Also heard of a few people using VAG-COM to upgrade the flash card versions and ending up trashing the maps and the language defaulting back to German

Vor you, tommy, ze vor iz over

biggriffin · « **Reply #13 on:** 20 February 2016, 16:35:18 »

Quote from: iZirk on 17 February 2016, 18:53:40

Yea, that could be a bit more challenging, Nokia Maps, now called Here Maps has, as far as I know, taken over Navtech Maps, so there could be some new issues that are backward compatible across various ranges.

website Here - http://www.navigation.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/Navteq-NavteqEurope-Site/-/-/-/Default-Start
£169.00 +£5.00 postage. Cheaper to buy a new standalone unit.
Online Here Nav - https://maps.here.com

Lazydocker · « **Reply #14 on:** 20 February 2016, 23:36:45 »

But a cheaper stand alone unit will always be inferior to the built in one.

Says the man who generally uses TomTom on his phone

Unless going into a heavily built up area, in which case the one in the car runs along side, just in case

biggriffin · « **Reply #15 on:** 21 February 2016, 13:22:28 »

Quote from: Lazydocker on 20 February 2016, 23:36:45

But a cheaper stand alone unit will always be inferior to the built in one.

Most built in units are 12mths out of date, a decent standalone unit, will have up to date maps, at a fraction of the cost compered to buying a new disc for the in-built car types, unless they are now offering web based updates, which I doubt, because you will need to take it to the dealer for the highly trained technician to update it using the latest dealer software, for a one of cost of at least £100.

My tomo western Europe, cost £89.00 3 years ago and has lifetime updates.
Fathers Chrysler, needs the sat-nav updating, £139. From Chrysler.

TheBoy · « **Reply #16 on:** 21 February 2016, 18:19:03 »

Quote from: biggriffin on 21 February 2016, 13:22:28

My tomo western Europe, cost £89.00 3 years ago and has lifetime updates.
Fathers Chrysler, needs the sat-nav updating, £139. From Chrysler.

Only one performs much better than the other. Hence my last Tomtom unit is somewhere at the end of the Aston Expressway, posy bloody useless heap of shite.

zirk · « **Reply #17 on:** 21 February 2016, 19:40:10 »

Quote from: biggriffin on 20 February 2016, 16:35:18

Quote from: iZirk on 17 February 2016, 18:53:40
Yea, that could be a bit more challenging, Nokia Maps, now called Here Maps has, as far as I know, taken over Navtech Maps, so there could be some new issues that are backward compatible across various ranges.

website Here - http://www.navigation.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/Navteq-NavteqEurope-Site/-/-/-/Default-Start
£169.00 +£5.00 postage. Cheaper to buy a new standalone unit.
Online Here Nav - https://maps.here.com

Surely no one in there right mind would £169 when you can get genuine UK Disks off eBay.de for around 25 notes

So brings the cost down to reality when compared to the Portables.

Broomies Mate · « **Reply #18 on:** 21 February 2016, 23:00:29 »

Sorry - I don't understand.

Why would anyone pay 'just' £25 for something which is crap? Full Postcode Entry? Traffic Updates? Realtime Redirection?

I get all that from a FREE app on my gayPhone. The built in Nav on NCDC is shite. It was on the day it was released, and it is today.

Lazydocker · « **Reply #19 on:** 22 February 2016, 00:42:46 »

Quote from: Broomies Mate on 21 February 2016, 23:00:29

Sorry - I don't understand.

Why would anyone pay 'just' £25 for something which is crap? Full Postcode Entry? Traffic Updates? Realtime Redirection?

I get all that from a FREE app on my gayPhone. The built in Nav on NCDC is shite. It was on the day it was released, and it is today.

It lacks features I agree, and my "go to" for navigation is always TomTom on my phone.

The nav on the NCDC is, however, superior at keeping going with accuracy in situations where the GPS signal may be unreliable

It has a place and, as I said earlier, it is almost always used when in cities, especially in the centre of them when surrounded by high rise buildings

TheBoy · « **Reply #20 on:** 22 February 2016, 18:57:39 »

Quote from: Broomies Mate on 21 February 2016, 23:00:29

Sorry - I don't understand.

Clearly

Quote from: Broomies Mate on 21 February 2016, 23:00:29

Why would anyone pay 'just' £25 for something which is crap? Full Postcode Entry? Traffic Updates? Realtime Redirection?

I get all that from a FREE app on my gayPhone. The built in Nav on NCDC is shite. It was on the day it was released, and it is today.

NCDC works. Well. Very well. Despite 15+yrs old, it outperforms *any* portable unit hands down. End of.

Granted, it lacks the gimmicks of modern units (but is 15yrs old).

It is actually outperformed by the even earlier CARiN units, which will still work well for miles after unplugging the GPS aerial. Sadly the bloody thing is too slow with reasonably modern maps. Your stupid portable unit will go apeshite the second it goes to below 4 or 5 satellites. Hence my last portable unit is at the end of the Aston Expressway, and the previous one lost an argument with a heal. They are complete crap. And then there is the hardware/software reliability.

Most portable units are marginally outperformed by modern mobile phones, but if it wasn't for the fact these have other uses, they'd be smashed up as well.

BUT nothing comes close to a proper built in system. Not even close. Gimmicks like postcode can be useful, but ultimately pointless if the thing lets you down when you need it most.

VXL V6 · « **Reply #21 on:** 22 February 2016, 19:23:19 »

I seem to recall one Lakes Meet when those who used NCDC's arrived at the front entrance and those using 'other' sat nav's appeared at a gate at the top of a hill!

Dave DND · « **Reply #22 on:** 23 February 2016, 12:24:21 »

Quote from: TheBoy on 22 February 2016, 18:57:39

NCDC works. Well. Very well. Despite 15+yrs old, it outperforms *any* portable unit hands down. End of.

Granted, it lacks the gimmicks of modern units (but is 15yrs old).

It is actually outperformed by the even earlier CARiN units, which will still work well for miles after unplugging the GPS aerial. Sadly the bloody thing is too slow with reasonably modern maps. Your stupid portable unit will go apeshite the second it goes to below 4 or 5 satellites. Hence my last portable unit is at the end of the Aston Expressway, and the previous one lost an argument with a heal. They are complete crap. And then there is the hardware/software reliability.

Most portable units are marginally outperformed by modern mobile phones, but if it wasn't for the fact these have other uses, they'd be smashed up as well.

BUT nothing comes close to a proper built in system. Not even close. Gimmicks like postcode can be useful, but ultimately pointless if the thing lets you down when you need it most.

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