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Title: Landline woes now!
Post by: Migalot on 24 November 2023, 21:16:20
When I recently finished my BT broadband contract (as I now have FTTP with the Swedish mob), I made the necessary phone call and the chap was very helpful. I have since received the usual bag to return the hub etc.

He asked me if there was anything else I could help with. I said that with the upcoming migration to digital landlines, will I be able to keep the same number? Of course, he said. I'll send you a gizmo into which you plug your existing home phone and away you go.

None the wiser of the technical ins-and-outs, I said "Great!".

The gizmo duly arrived and I have been receiving texts saying that they are setting up (and have now set up) my broadband – presumably for the phone.

The problem, however, is that the gizmo, a digital voice adaptor, only works with the BT hub which has been replaced by the Swedish-supplied Icotera hub.

Methinks I was misled. >:( ::)
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: STEMO on 24 November 2023, 21:31:51
Same here, almost. My broadband contract with BT is up in December, so I phoned up to renew (Halo 3). Got it for a tenner cheaper (which will be swallowed up by the two rises over the 24 month contract). All ok. Then I looks at the order online, digital calling will be activated at the same time. Luckily, I do have the correct hub, with the green socket for the phone, but they weren't to know that.
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: TheBoy on 24 November 2023, 21:35:34
Does it not just plug in to the LAN side of the router? Surely its just a VoIP adapter?
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: Migalot on 24 November 2023, 22:10:47
Does it not just plug in to the LAN side of the router? Surely its just a VoIP adapter?

No. It works on WiFi.

Picture here:

https://tinyurl.com/5fbnxre5 (https://tinyurl.com/5fbnxre5)
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: Migalot on 24 November 2023, 22:20:06
Seems I need an RJ11>RJ11 cable.

https://help.brsk.co.uk/en/articles/6576977-how-to-connect-your-home-phone-to-the-brsk-icotera-router (https://help.brsk.co.uk/en/articles/6576977-how-to-connect-your-home-phone-to-the-brsk-icotera-router)

More shopping.  ::)
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: VXL V6 on 24 November 2023, 22:29:19
It's just an ATA glued to a WiFi receiver so you can have the analogue BT Jack somewhere near where you want the phone.
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: VXL V6 on 24 November 2023, 22:33:33
Seems I need an RJ11>RJ11 cable.

https://help.brsk.co.uk/en/articles/6576977-how-to-connect-your-home-phone-to-the-brsk-icotera-router (https://help.brsk.co.uk/en/articles/6576977-how-to-connect-your-home-phone-to-the-brsk-icotera-router)

More shopping.  ::)

Should be a BT style socket on the device, plug your phone into that and then you pair the device with your BT hub.

Guide here:- https://www.bt.com/content/dam/bt/help/digital-voice/adapter/BT-Digital-Voice-Adapter-User-Guide.pdf
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: Varche on 24 November 2023, 22:36:15
What is a landline? Sounds like something from the olden days. My dad still has one but he is 97 and the only person without an App ( apparently)
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: Migalot on 24 November 2023, 22:48:15
then you pair the device with your BT hub.


...which I don't have anymore. I have an Icotera hub now.
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: TheBoy on 25 November 2023, 10:10:44
The router is irrelevant.

Plug the phone into the the BS6312 socket, and pair the device to the wifi from your existing router.
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: TheBoy on 25 November 2023, 10:12:17
If the device only works with a BT Hub, call BT up and get them to send you a more generic device.  Or move to another provider.
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: Migalot on 25 November 2023, 12:39:03
If the device only works with a BT Hub, call BT up and get them to send you a more generic device.  Or move to another provider.

Here's a quote from someone on the Sky forum (found on a search for "Does the BT adaptor work on non-BT hubs?"):

"The BT Digital Voice adapters will only work with BT's Smart Hub 2 and Digital Voice service. They connect to the BT Smart Hub 2 via the built in DECT reciever and coded specifically for that and BT Digital Voice configuration and service."

Kind of irritating... >:(


 
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: TheBoy on 25 November 2023, 17:07:21
So on the phone to BT then... ;)
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: Migalot on 06 December 2023, 20:15:55
So on the phone to BT then... ;)

Phoned BT and now finally all sorted.

Turned out that to retain my landline on VOIP (which I need for work on the same number) and to take advantage of the FTTP with Open Infra, I need BOTH routers. The BT one for the phone and the Icotera for the broadband. BT played around at the exchange and because they missed their quoted deadlne for changing my landline to VOIP capable, they gave me an £80 rebate. :y :)

So, all up and running...and the VOIP landline is much clearer than before.

Job done!  :y 
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: TheBoy on 07 December 2023, 13:57:57
So all sorted ahead of the PSTN switch-off in 2025 ;D
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: STEMO on 07 December 2023, 14:55:50
The young lady at BT I'm currently on the phone to has just informed me she's showing as being in my account for three hours now  :) Still no further on.
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: STEMO on 07 December 2023, 14:58:12
I have to say: I've been on and off the phone to BT about 7/8 times over the last ten days, including keeping one young lady ten minutes past her nine o'clock finish. Every customer service agent has been polite, patient and helpful.

I won't go into the details, it would take forever. Even though, to me, it's quite simple.
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: Migalot on 07 December 2023, 15:07:56
I have to say: I've been on and off the phone to BT about 7/8 times over the last ten days, including keeping one young lady ten minutes past her nine o'clock finish. Every customer service agent has been polite, patient and helpful.

I won't go into the details, it would take forever. Even though, to me, it's quite simple.

I found the same. If they had been quicker to install the FTTP, I would happily have stayed with them for my broadband.
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: TheBoy on 07 December 2023, 15:18:29
If they had been quicker to install the FTTP
There are supposed to be doing mine in 2023.  Guessing that might be late.

Still, I'll survive, currently have 900Mb synchronous with Swish (its actually a 1Gb services, but nobody is allowed to advertise 1Gb as 1Gb, hence they are all called 900Mb), and a 500Mb synchronous with Gigaclear.  So now only needing Openreach to sort FTTP so I can migrate the Zen line over to FTTP.  I think my BT FTTC has stopped working, I probably really should check. CBA though.
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: STEMO on 07 December 2023, 22:20:48
At the conclusion of my marathon today, my problem still wasn't fully resolved, but I got £55 out of them.
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: TheBoy on 08 December 2023, 08:18:22
At the conclusion of my marathon today, my problem still wasn't fully resolved, but I got £55 out of them.
Not sure if your issue was "landline" or broadband.  But, I mean, how hard is it to provide such a simple* service?


*I accept that the amount of complexity in providing both is high once you start getting back to more common areas, but assuming this issue is specific to your line, so assuming its simply a pair of wires and/or a bit of glass.
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: STEMO on 08 December 2023, 11:33:30
At the conclusion of my marathon today, my problem still wasn't fully resolved, but I got £55 out of them.
Not sure if your issue was "landline" or broadband.  But, I mean, how hard is it to provide such a simple* service?


*I accept that the amount of complexity in providing both is high once you start getting back to more common areas, but assuming this issue is specific to your line, so assuming its simply a pair of wires and/or a bit of glass.
I was on BT fibre halo 3 100+. I renewed my contract and they changed me to digital voice, I thought that was it. When I did a speed test (after they disconnected me for two days for some reason) I was getting 72Mb down and 20 up, used to be 140. After much back and forth, they agreed I had been mis-sold my new contract, but they couldn't do anything about it because Openreach weren't accepting any new orders for my area until fttp had been implemented. They said my area had 'turned black'  :-\
I could have cancelled and gone to another provider but, as they would have to go through Openreach, the result would have been the same. I could have gone with Virgin.......no. So I'm stuck, with some money as compo.
I refuse to get uppity about it, life's too short.
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: Migalot on 08 December 2023, 16:29:23
At the conclusion of my marathon today, my problem still wasn't fully resolved, but I got £55 out of them.
Not sure if your issue was "landline" or broadband.  But, I mean, how hard is it to provide such a simple* service?


*I accept that the amount of complexity in providing both is high once you start getting back to more common areas, but assuming this issue is specific to your line, so assuming its simply a pair of wires and/or a bit of glass.
I was on BT fibre halo 3 100+. I renewed my contract and they changed me to digital voice, I thought that was it. When I did a speed test (after they disconnected me for two days for some reason) I was getting 72Mb down and 20 up, used to be 140. After much back and forth, they agreed I had been mis-sold my new contract, but they couldn't do anything about it because Openreach weren't accepting any new orders for my area until fttp had been implemented. They said my area had 'turned black'  :-\
I could have cancelled and gone to another provider but, as they would have to go through Openreach, the result would have been the same. I could have gone with Virgin.......no. So I'm stuck, with some money as compo.
I refuse to get uppity about it, life's too short.

Just checked mine (FTTP): 487 Mb/s download and 427 Mb/s upload.  :o
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: STEMO on 08 December 2023, 16:33:39
At the conclusion of my marathon today, my problem still wasn't fully resolved, but I got £55 out of them.
Not sure if your issue was "landline" or broadband.  But, I mean, how hard is it to provide such a simple* service?


*I accept that the amount of complexity in providing both is high once you start getting back to more common areas, but assuming this issue is specific to your line, so assuming its simply a pair of wires and/or a bit of glass.
I was on BT fibre halo 3 100+. I renewed my contract and they changed me to digital voice, I thought that was it. When I did a speed test (after they disconnected me for two days for some reason) I was getting 72Mb down and 20 up, used to be 140. After much back and forth, they agreed I had been mis-sold my new contract, but they couldn't do anything about it because Openreach weren't accepting any new orders for my area until fttp had been implemented. They said my area had 'turned black'  :-\
I could have cancelled and gone to another provider but, as they would have to go through Openreach, the result would have been the same. I could have gone with Virgin.......no. So I'm stuck, with some money as compo.
I refuse to get uppity about it, life's too short.

Just checked mine (FTTP): 487 Mb/s download and 427 Mb/s upload.  :o
I don't need those kind of speeds. I'm in Yorkshire and, up here, Tha gets what tha's given  ;D
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: TheBoy on 08 December 2023, 17:24:09
At the conclusion of my marathon today, my problem still wasn't fully resolved, but I got £55 out of them.
Not sure if your issue was "landline" or broadband.  But, I mean, how hard is it to provide such a simple* service?


*I accept that the amount of complexity in providing both is high once you start getting back to more common areas, but assuming this issue is specific to your line, so assuming its simply a pair of wires and/or a bit of glass.
I was on BT fibre halo 3 100+. I renewed my contract and they changed me to digital voice, I thought that was it. When I did a speed test (after they disconnected me for two days for some reason) I was getting 72Mb down and 20 up, used to be 140. After much back and forth, they agreed I had been mis-sold my new contract, but they couldn't do anything about it because Openreach weren't accepting any new orders for my area until fttp had been implemented. They said my area had 'turned black'  :-\
I could have cancelled and gone to another provider but, as they would have to go through Openreach, the result would have been the same. I could have gone with Virgin.......no. So I'm stuck, with some money as compo.
I refuse to get uppity about it, life's too short.

Just checked mine (FTTP): 487 Mb/s download and 427 Mb/s upload.  :o
I won't mention my 950 down, 970 up ;D.

But like STEMO, its not essential, so its being cancelled now my much cheaper Gigaclear has arrive, at half the speed...
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: TheBoy on 08 December 2023, 17:25:27
At the conclusion of my marathon today, my problem still wasn't fully resolved, but I got £55 out of them.
Not sure if your issue was "landline" or broadband.  But, I mean, how hard is it to provide such a simple* service?


*I accept that the amount of complexity in providing both is high once you start getting back to more common areas, but assuming this issue is specific to your line, so assuming its simply a pair of wires and/or a bit of glass.
I was on BT fibre halo 3 100+. I renewed my contract and they changed me to digital voice, I thought that was it. When I did a speed test (after they disconnected me for two days for some reason) I was getting 72Mb down and 20 up, used to be 140. After much back and forth, they agreed I had been mis-sold my new contract, but they couldn't do anything about it because Openreach weren't accepting any new orders for my area until fttp had been implemented. They said my area had 'turned black'  :-\
I could have cancelled and gone to another provider but, as they would have to go through Openreach, the result would have been the same. I could have gone with Virgin.......no. So I'm stuck, with some money as compo.
I refuse to get uppity about it, life's too short.
So they sold you an FTTP product when you couldn't yet get it, so put you on an FTTC one.  Presumably your 140Mb one was g.fast? Openreach still off that, even on exchanges no longer accepting copper orders.
Title: Re: Landline woes now!
Post by: STEMO on 08 December 2023, 18:49:07
At the conclusion of my marathon today, my problem still wasn't fully resolved, but I got £55 out of them.
Not sure if your issue was "landline" or broadband.  But, I mean, how hard is it to provide such a simple* service?


*I accept that the amount of complexity in providing both is high once you start getting back to more common areas, but assuming this issue is specific to your line, so assuming its simply a pair of wires and/or a bit of glass.
I was on BT fibre halo 3 100+. I renewed my contract and they changed me to digital voice, I thought that was it. When I did a speed test (after they disconnected me for two days for some reason) I was getting 72Mb down and 20 up, used to be 140. After much back and forth, they agreed I had been mis-sold my new contract, but they couldn't do anything about it because Openreach weren't accepting any new orders for my area until fttp had been implemented. They said my area had 'turned black'  :-\
I could have cancelled and gone to another provider but, as they would have to go through Openreach, the result would have been the same. I could have gone with Virgin.......no. So I'm stuck, with some money as compo.
I refuse to get uppity about it, life's too short.
So they sold you an FTTP product when you couldn't yet get it, so put you on an FTTC one.  Presumably your 140Mb one was g.fast? Openreach still off that, even on exchanges no longer accepting copper orders.
I'm over it. I can use my iPad and stream Amazon Prime Video so that will do.