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[JayMV6]

Hi All

I have had a pre facelift sitting for over 6 years and is fairly rusty. However i have always wanted to learn to weld so thought why not try it out on the omega. 90 percent of the interior will be removed to check and repair any rust holes. Do you need to remove the dash to get the whole carpet up or can the dash stay in? Out of everything the dash is the only thing i really want to leave in place

Thanks

[TheBoy]

dash removal not required, just seats and plastic trims around doors, though its easier with centre console removed

[Doctor Gollum]

If your doing it with a view to putting it on the road again at some point, you would be advised to pull the dash to properly inspect the bulkhead from the screen to the floor. Also, when it comes to putting it back together, renewing things like the heater matrix becomes sooo much easier

[JayMV6]

If your doing it with a view to putting it on the road again at some point, you would be advised to pull the dash to properly inspect the bulkhead from the screen to the floor. Also, when it comes to putting it back together, renewing things like the heater matrix becomes sooo much easier

How easy is it to get the dash's out tho? Looks like alot of wiring behind it to mess around with?

[Doctor Gollum]

Most of it unplugs from the A posts

Someone put it in there, and if the rest of it is out, you've more space to play with...

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I wouldnt ever take the dash out personally. I would inspect the bulkhead from the engine bay.

[TheBoy]

I have taken the dash our on a breaker. I wouldn't entertain it on a keeper...   ...if the issue was serious enough for it to need the dash out, it would quickly be a breaker.

[biggriffin]

If the car is a keeper, and your looking to repair/ restore to a high standard, then dash out, and remove everything,  weld holes, replace matrix, and evaporator,  do it properly..

[JayMV6]

I have taken the dash our on a breaker. I wouldn't entertain it on a keeper...   ...if the issue was serious enough for it to need the dash out, it would quickly be a breaker.

Obviously looks a lot there but what was the difficult bit about it?

[Nick W]

I wouldnt ever take the dash out personally. I would inspect the bulkhead from the engine bay.

Removing dashes is just fiddly, time consuming and tedious.


Putting them back is a horrible job. Then you spend a load more time making everything work, stop creaking and gluing broken trim pieces in place.

[Broomies Mate]

Putting them back is a horrible job. Then you spend a load more time making everything work, stop creaking and gluing broken trim pieces in place.

Not forgetting cleaning blood from knuckles/cut fingers off of every piece of trim. 

[Doctor Gollum]

I have taken the dash our on a breaker. I wouldn't entertain it on a keeper...   ...if the issue was serious enough for it to need the dash out, it would quickly be a breaker.

Obviously looks a lot there but what was the difficult bit about it?

Doing it with the column in place probably...

It's only held in with screws, nuts and bolts... Not black magic... Obviously a certain amount of patience is required, but if the job's worth doing... 

[TheBoy]

Remember, DG, that photo only shows the easy bit.  To do as you suggest also means all the climate and air distribution and a lot of the loom.

Then as Nick W rightly says, reassembly is the hard part.  Then repeat to remove the rattles.

[Doctor Gollum]

Lots of pictures as you go.

Depends on the future of the car, but if you're going to go to the trouble, do it properly or just wash the moss off it.

[TheBoy]

Lots of pictures as you go.

Depends on the future of the car, but if you're going to go to the trouble, do it properly or just wash the moss off it.

From the triviality you seen to imply it is, I'm guessing its not something you have ever done .  Its non trivial even if you don't ever want to put it back together.

If it needed any work in the areas you can't reach without removing the dash, then it needs to go to the Heinz factory. No Omega - and I think they are still one of the best cars out there - is worth it.

[Doctor Gollum]

True, there are easier cars to pull the dash on, and not disputing the work involved, but it is doable, if you've the inclination to do it.

The trouble with the Omega is that there's four hundred screws holding in everything that you can see before you can even think about removing the actual dash and most people struggle getting the radio out to remove the trim.

Not wanting to do it and not being able to do it are very different things

A prefacelift Omega doesn't have anything like the value that warrants the time and effort, but will almost certainly have rust on the bulkhead. If it's a keeper, then it could be worth the time and effort, but if it isn't then as you say binning it is the easy option. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Inspecting the outside of the bulkhead rather than the inside is the easy option. 

[Doctor Gollum]

True, too a point 

[Nick W]

Remember, DG, that photo only shows the easy bit.  To do as you suggest also means all the climate and air distribution and a lot of the loom.

Then as Nick W rightly says, reassembly is the hard part.  Then repeat to remove the rattles.

Are we agreeing


Perhaps it's time for a brake or cooling thread


Happy Christmas

[TheBoy]

True, there are easier cars to pull the dash on, and not disputing the work involved, but it is doable, if you've the inclination to do it.

The trouble with the Omega is that there's four hundred screws holding in everything that you can see before you can even think about removing the actual dash and most people struggle getting the radio out to remove the trim.

Not wanting to do it and not being able to do it are very different things

A prefacelift Omega doesn't have anything like the value that warrants the time and effort, but will almost certainly have rust on the bulkhead. If it's a keeper, then it could be worth the time and effort, but if it isn't then as you say binning it is the easy option. 

Its the sort of thing you would do on a classic car rebuild.  Which the Omega isn't really, plus its a much more challenging job.

Certainly not impossible, few things are, but definitely not a decision to be done on a whim.  More of a last resort type decision.

[TheBoy]

Are we agreeing

Err, blimey.  No, I've changed my mind. Rip the dash out .

Merry Christmas to you too

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Lets have a tyre thread. That will soon get 25 differing opinions from 15 different people. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Are we agreeing

Err, blimey.  No, I've changed my mind. Rip the dash out .

Merry Christmas to you too

And concede that I might be right

I think TB needs a flotation chamber to hibernate in

[dave the builder]

If the rust is that hidden that you have to take the dash out to see or repair it then i doubt any NT (MOT tester) would notice it 
get the cassis legs ,sills etc sorted and an MOT on it before taking on a job like the dash out
which would probably never get put back in as you loose interest in the idea ,when you remember how much it took to get out

JM2PW

[JayMV6]

Thanks for all the replys. I popped round to have a very quick glance the other day and managed to fist the sill. i know the back right corner of the boot floor has gone too. I know its only an omega but i literally just want to use it to practice welding on. The rear arches are both shot so at some point i want to try weld in some new ones. It aint easy and there is a solid chance that the scrap yard will see the car before any MOT center but if i do manage to get it looking half decent then will be another one saved. I imagine that with all the condensation in the car overtime then the bulkhead prob will have some rust in. Will be a great project tho.

[Raeturbo]

If you take it on well good luck to you, and I’m sure you will get a lot of help and encouragement here

[JayMV6]

i might start a project thread and give you guys updates