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Crank aux pulley torque v6
« on: 05 March 2021, 19:33:09 »

Hi all, Whats the correct torque or settings of the pulley for the aux belt on the crank and the water pump disc and Pas for a v6.Many Thanks Gavin
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #1 on: 05 March 2021, 19:52:02 »

I don't have it in front of me, but they're all given in Haynes and the Maintenence Guides here...

Seek and ye shall find :y
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #2 on: 05 March 2021, 20:04:37 »

Lol, is it this, Drive disc/flywheel to crankshaft   65nm + 30° + 15° Seems heavy.
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #3 on: 05 March 2021, 20:42:09 »

Lol, is it this, Drive disc/flywheel to crankshaft   65nm + 30° + 15° Seems heavy.


That's the back end, inside the bell housing.


The aux pulley bolts are M6, and will be about 12Nm. Not enough to make it worth getting the torque wrench out, just do them up with a normal spanner/ 1/4" ratchet
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #4 on: 05 March 2021, 20:54:23 »

Thanks mate nice one :y
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #5 on: 05 March 2021, 21:07:24 »

E10 iirc ;)
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #6 on: 05 March 2021, 21:11:49 »

I would suggest that the only bolts tightened with a <13mm spanner(or equivalent Torx) in general work that need a torque wrench are the cam cover bolts. That's only because the design and installation could have been better.


It took me nearly 25 years before I felt the need for a 1/4" drive torque wrench, and rarely use it; its main use has been on M5/6 bolts that secure cam bearing caps.


Most people are massively overtightening small to medium size bolts with no ill-effects.
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #7 on: 05 March 2021, 21:14:03 »

I could do with getting a comprehensive 1/4" AF set... But I digress ::)
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #8 on: 05 March 2021, 21:52:34 »

Thanks for the input cheers, on another note i noticed before doing this work that on idle and revving there is a ticking sound from the engine.Do you think it might be the dreaded manifold gaskets or lifters.What the best way to check.Thanks
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #9 on: 05 March 2021, 22:00:39 »

I could do with getting a comprehensive 1/4" AF set... But I digress ::)


That's the real advantage of the large  Halfords socket sets; they include AF sizes at a sensible price.


Or you could blow about £500(+/- retail price) on this lot, 1/4 and 3/8 deep and shallow Snap-on sockets and non-branded magnetic rails:





I didn't pay that, but it's still a very poor investment. I have a similar metric set, and the 1/4" drive stuff have been my go-to tools for years. I think the improvement in quality and usability decreases as the size increases, 3/8 Snap-on sockets aren't worth the extra expense.
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #10 on: 06 March 2021, 04:19:15 »

Lol, is it this, Drive disc/flywheel to crankshaft   65nm + 30° + 15° Seems heavy.


That's the back end, inside the bell housing.


The aux pulley bolts are M6, and will be about 12Nm. Not enough to make it worth getting the torque wrench out, just do them up with a normal spanner/ 1/4" ratchet
This is one occasion to be wary of the Haynes manual.
The bolts for the auxiliary belt crank pulley are actually M8 x 18mm TX head. Vauxhall TIS and Haynes say torque 20Nm.

The bolts for the power steering pully are M8 x 12mm. Torque 20Nm, that's what the Vauxhall TIS says in the reassembly instructions. However Haynes says 20Nm+30°+15° and that's too tight. The pulley bolts screw into a hub which is only about 4 or 5mm thick. Do these bolts up too tight and you risk stripping the threads in the hub, which is a pain.

The bolts for the water pump are M6 x 15mm. TIS and Haynes say 8Nm+30°+30° for new bolts. I wouldn't bother with that. Evenly tight should be fine.
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #11 on: 06 March 2021, 11:14:16 »

I could do with getting a comprehensive 1/4" AF set... But I digress ::)


That's the real advantage of the large  Halfords socket sets; they include AF sizes at a sensible price.


Or you could blow about £500(+/- retail price) on this lot, 1/4 and 3/8 deep and shallow Snap-on sockets and non-branded magnetic rails:





I didn't pay that, but it's still a very poor investment. I have a similar metric set, and the 1/4" drive stuff have been my go-to tools for years. I think the improvement in quality and usability decreases as the size increases, 3/8 Snap-on sockets aren't worth the extra expense.
Looking around, I can assemble a comprehensive AF (plus a few essential additional items) set for about £150 is. Trouble with 3/8" is some of the access is very limited and the Halfords 1/4" sockets stop at 1/2" which is a couple of sizes too small ::)
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #12 on: 06 March 2021, 12:31:44 »


Looking around, I can assemble a comprehensive AF (plus a few essential additional items) set for about £150 is. Trouble with 3/8" is some of the access is very limited and the Halfords 1/4" sockets stop at 1/2" which is a couple of sizes too small ::)


Snap-on 1/4" drive sockets got to 9/16 and 15mm. Which is about as big as you'd want; they tend to need a longer ratchet and the only real reasons not to go to a 3/8 drive is either space or laziness.
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #13 on: 06 March 2021, 19:09:46 »

Space ;)

3/8" ratchets/extensions are a bit too big to fit galley dividers and crew seats and certainly a non starter inside  stowages ;)
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #14 on: 07 March 2021, 00:51:02 »

Lidl do a 1/4" drive CR-V socket set in their Powerfix Profi range, which are good quality relative to their cost, and quite robust, but in metric sizes only, upto 14mm (a smidge smaller than 9/16s, but usually will fit depending on wear to both). Come in a sturdy blow moulded case, with extensions, a screwdriver adaptor and knuckle joints.
I have had a set for a few years now. Being 1/4" drive, you don't swing on them like you would a 3/8" drive, so for the smaller / harder to reach jobs they are fine, especially as it includes a 14mm socket. Not in a polished chrome finish like the Halfords Advanced equivalent, but a satin silver finish. Seem good value for the price.
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #15 on: 07 March 2021, 09:02:13 »

DG did say he wanted AF, which makes affordable a bit more complicated.
He also wants sizes that are normally used in 3/8 drive, which will be the biggest problem.


The reason I think the Snap-on 1/4 sockets are worth the bleedin' fortune they cost is that they are shorter and more compact than most but still strong. Which is important when access and not rounding off fasteners really matter. But by the time you've bought ordinary and deep sockets(they don't broach the hex very deep in ordinary ones) you will have spent some serious cash.


I do wish that they weren't so highly polished though; a good satin finish is much more suitable for tools.
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #16 on: 07 March 2021, 11:13:07 »

Having had a load of snap-on stolen, a few years ago,and insurance saying how much, and didn't pay out,and as I now don't require tools to earn a living, I buy from Halfords,Aldi,Lidl.. and bootsales. And they have all done as requested.
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #17 on: 07 March 2021, 12:01:49 »

Inside theses https://images.app.goo.gl/u8F6kpJV9NRzyV2r8
is a good example of the space restrictions... Typically 2-3" of working depth, some are horizontally bolted, some vertically and some both, which is nice. Not. :D Suffice to say, rounding isn't an option.
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #18 on: 07 March 2021, 12:16:23 »

Having had a load of snap-on stolen, a few years ago,and insurance saying how much, and didn't pay out,and as I now don't require tools to earn a living, I buy from Halfords,Aldi,Lidl.. and bootsales. And they have all done as requested.


I would probably replace the 1/4dr metric sockets and extensions.
I would definitely replace the ratchet screwdriver master set. After a good cry at the cost.




The rest I would replace with almost/as good for about a fifth of the cost. The big Halfords sets are good because they include the imperial sets that many others make you buy separately.


From DG's pictures, I would invest in a set of locking extensions....
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #19 on: 07 March 2021, 12:43:27 »

I just get pictures of folding seats.
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #20 on: 07 March 2021, 13:04:06 »

I just get pictures of folding seats.

likewise  ???
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Re: Crank aux pulley torque v6
« Reply #21 on: 07 March 2021, 13:13:52 »

Exactly.  :y

The ones with a 2" wide cupboard on the back are particularly fiendish.
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