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Re: Breakdown
« Reply #30 on: 19 January 2022, 13:43:52 »

Unfortunately Darren is the Parts Manager at Baylis Gloucester so that presents a problem for now but have listened and will make a choice
That doesn't stop him from being an idiot.
Having had a chat with the parts manager at Robbins and Day, perhaps he isn't an idiot, but he wasn't very helpful.

Apparently the supplier to Vauxhall no longer produces parts. As far as 90540743 is the last official Omega part number.

Obviously GM has a longer term approach, as the 2.6/3.0/3.2 DBW lump is used in various vehicles upto 2006/7. Everytime a production run ends, they change the part number. Ergo, the number I gave isn't recognised by VX as a VX part even though it is the current correct part for the crank sensor.
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Re: Breakdown
« Reply #31 on: 19 January 2022, 14:50:11 »

Unfortunately Darren is the Parts Manager at Baylis Gloucester so that presents a problem for now but have listened and will make a choice
That doesn't stop him from being an idiot.
Having had a chat with the parts manager at Robbins and Day, perhaps he isn't an idiot, but he wasn't very helpful.

Apparently the supplier to Vauxhall no longer produces parts. As far as 90540743 is the last official Omega part number.

Obviously GM has a longer term approach, as the 2.6/3.0/3.2 DBW lump is used in various vehicles upto 2006/7. Everytime a production run ends, they change the part number. Ergo, the number I gave isn't recognised by VX as a VX part even though it is the current correct part for the crank sensor.


I have a great professional level relationship with Matthew, my local Vx Parts Manager who have have dealt with for years, getting any discounts I can.  But as you suggest DG, and I have also got the impression from my discussions with Matthew, Vx have lost interest in supplying us with parts for our now ancient, well out of production, Omega's. 

Either the part is classed as "No longer available" or if still available, is extortionately expensive: i.e. when I asked Matthew for an "out of interest" price for the Dis Pack / Coil Pack for the 1, 3 5 bank of my Omega, that is apparently still (just) available, when the opposite unit I wanted is not,  Matthew said "Are you sitting down?" .............|"£300++"  !!!!! :o :o :o  Then, as he always does, he gave me the Bosch Part Numbers for both Packs. Which, as I have said before, I bought via The Green Spark Plug Co. via Amazon for £97.18 for the 2,4,6 bank :D :D

As DG correctly states we must all now shop around as the genuine (not fake) parts for our 18.5year old plus Omega's are going to disappear as fast as the rust appears on them!!  ::) ::) :'(

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Re: Breakdown
« Reply #32 on: 19 January 2022, 18:22:52 »

Never had a problem with Bosch Coilpacks to be honest.

If the weaknesses of camcover gasket failure and water ingress from a leaking scuttle aren't present (*) i'm sure the packs would last the life of the car, only likely failure would be the plastic cracking from years of heating and cooling. At least on the 2.6/3.2/2.2/2.0(Ecotec) there are no plug leads to deteriorate  :)

(*) The problem being that 99% of the time these issues aren't prevented, they are diagnosed after the event when the ignition problems appear, at that point the coilpack has been stressed electronically by sitting in oil or the coils have started to rot due to water ingress.


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Re: Breakdown
« Reply #33 on: 19 January 2022, 18:30:36 »

Or both.

And that's before you get into the state of the looms now.
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Re: Breakdown
« Reply #34 on: 19 January 2022, 18:35:44 »

Never had a problem with Bosch Coilpacks to be honest.

If the weaknesses of camcover gasket failure and water ingress from a leaking scuttle aren't present (*) i'm sure the packs would last the life of the car, only likely failure would be the plastic cracking from years of heating and cooling. At least on the 2.6/3.2/2.2/2.0(Ecotec) there are no plug leads to deteriorate  :)

(*) The problem being that 99% of the time these issues aren't prevented, they are diagnosed after the event when the ignition problems appear, at that point the coilpack has been stressed electronically by sitting in oil or the coils have started to rot due to water ingress.

With mine the pack was fine from the outside, but it was the rubber boots that had split, along with an electrical connection spring coming off ;)

There was no sign of oil or water ingress, with all the wells perfectly clean, in fact brand new looking. 8)
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Re: Breakdown
« Reply #35 on: 19 January 2022, 18:40:11 »

If it helps, I bought two Bosch crank sensors 0 261 210 131 from Autovaux in their December sale last year. I paid £36.53 each incl VAT and postage (£73.06 for two in total to get the 'free over £50 postage' deal). I have previously bought from Autovaux, and the parts have always been genuine GM with the GM holograms, and have, in my opinion been totally genuine, so I decided to try these crank sensors.
They came in Bosch boxes, with Bosch labels and are identical in every respect to another genuine GM c/sensor I have, apart from no GM logo on the sensor head (obviously).
I have previously used Bosch lambda sensors from them and also AutoDoc, and everytime the supplied parts were genuine Bosch, with the correct ident tags as the GM version.
Maybe some have had issues with the parts supplied by AutoVaux or AutoDoc, but I for one, have had no issues with their service or the parts supplied.
As some parts are now drying up from Vauxhall, I would have no hesitation in buying Bosch or GM parts from them if I didnt have any 'in stock', purely  based on my experiences.
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Re: Breakdown
« Reply #36 on: 19 January 2022, 18:44:58 »

If it helps, I bought two Bosch crank sensors 0 261 210 131 from Autovaux in their December sale last year. I paid £36.53 each incl VAT and postage (£73.06 for two in total to get the 'free over £50 postage' deal). I have previously bought from Autovaux, and the parts have always been genuine GM with the GM holograms, and have, in my opinion been totally genuine, so I decided to try these crank sensors.
They came in Bosch boxes, with Bosch labels and are identical in every respect to another genuine GM c/sensor I have, apart from no GM logo on the sensor head (obviously).
I have previously used Bosch lambda sensors from them and also AutoDoc, and everytime the supplied parts were genuine Bosch, with the correct ident tags as the GM version.
Maybe some have had issues with the parts supplied by AutoVaux or AutoDoc, but I for one, have had no issues with their service or the parts supplied.
As some parts are now drying up from Vauxhall, I would have no hesitation in buying Bosch or GM parts from them if I didnt have any 'in stock', purely  based on my experiences.

Having now bought a crank sensor and door motor from them in the past, I would agree.  I have had no problems.
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Re: Breakdown
« Reply #37 on: 19 January 2022, 18:53:23 »

It's not a question of the parts drying up, as Vx being actively disinterested in supplying them. I suspect you will start to struggle to obtain parts for the Insignia A before too long.

It’s partly also a market issue as the US market has a much larger proportion of older used cars compared with new, whereas I suspect the UK is the opposite.

Many GM parts are available new, rather than NOS which is where certain retailers obtain their stocks from.

Be mindful that Bosch/Siemens etc may no longer be producing those sensors (with those part numbers)... If they turn up and seem to be genuine and last 80,000 miles, then happy days.

It was a GM Dealer that told me the part number had been superceded... The number Johnnydog gave is globally NLS because it is no longer being produced.
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Re: Breakdown
« Reply #38 on: 19 January 2022, 19:40:06 »

With mine the pack was fine from the outside, but it was the rubber boots that had split, along with an electrical connection spring coming off ;)

As mentioned by others that's an easy fix, I stripped those parts off a couple of failed units years ago for spares. I would say if the boots have split there has been oil ingress at some point as they don't split under normal circumstances, only when oil weakens the rubber.
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Re: Breakdown
« Reply #39 on: 19 January 2022, 19:50:29 »

With mine the pack was fine from the outside, but it was the rubber boots that had split, along with an electrical connection spring coming off ;)

As mentioned by others that's an easy fix, I stripped those parts off a couple of failed units years ago for spares. I would say if the boots have split there has been oil ingress at some point as they don't split under normal circumstances, only when oil weakens the rubber.

That is the thing.  I have never had to replace the type of units I have on the 3.2 before.  The only time I have had to replace the Dis Pack / coil pack was on a 3.0 that sits behind the engine, so I have no spares.  In any case I would sooner fit the brand new unit as I have done, then I can hopefully forget about having to replace that part again. ;)
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Re: Breakdown
« Reply #40 on: 19 January 2022, 20:04:42 »

There's a few things that every Omega will need every 80-120k miles:

Coil pack
Crank sensor
Front wishbones
Shocks
HBV
Steering idler
Cam cover gaskets

Add in a timing belt and that's why the Omegas hit banger status with such vigour.

Spending four figures and buying one with 75k miles on it won't prevent the list above from needing doing in fairly short order.
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Re: Breakdown
« Reply #41 on: 19 January 2022, 20:14:31 »

There's a few things that every Omega will need every 80-120k miles:

Coil pack
Crank sensor
Front wishbones

Shocks
HBV
Steering idler
Cam cover gaskets

Add in a timing belt and that's why the Omegas hit banger status with such vigour.

Spending four figures and buying one with 75k miles on it won't prevent the list above from needing doing in fairly short order.

Oh well I have done those that are highlighted, and the timing belt is due again later this year :D
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Re: Breakdown
« Reply #42 on: 19 January 2022, 21:31:04 »

I think time is the biggest factor as my sensor is probably original and about 65,000 miles
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Re: Breakdown
« Reply #43 on: 19 January 2022, 21:31:25 »

There's a few things that every Omega will need every 80-120k miles:

Coil pack
Crank sensor
Front wishbones
Shocks
HBV
Steering idler
Cam cover gaskets

Add in a timing belt and that's why the Omegas hit banger status with such vigour.

Spending four figures and buying one with 75k miles on it won't prevent the list above from needing doing in fairly short order.

The list above is hardly cost prohibitive relative to the overall costs of running an older executive car such as an Omega, or compared to servicing bills of more modern vehicles, and certainly not a reason alone to sell one.
A bit after 'the horse has bolted', but if owners are / have been keen to keep their Omega running for as long as possible rather than selling and updating for a newer or possibly less appealing car, a bit of foresight and forward planning may have been (or still could be) prudent to buy in the commonly required items when they were easily available from VX when prices were in some cases more reasonable, rather than waiting for items to fail, and then scurying around trying to find the required part.
As I have said previously, I have done this since the 1980's with Triumph parts which were then readily available and offered at ridiculously low prices to clear stock, but now, if available, command extortionate prices. I very rarely have to buy Triumph parts for other sources to keep my 6 Triumphs in good order. Those parts I don't now need are easily sold for prices far greater than I paid. Wind the clock on 30 odd years, and it's the same scenario with the Omega.
I would suggest trying to buy the regularly required GM parts when / if they become available, whether needed at that time or not, if you are serious about keeping your Omega for the foreseeable.....
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Re: Breakdown
« Reply #44 on: 19 January 2022, 21:56:12 »

I certainly intent to keep my Omega going for long as economically possible but there are so many factors apart from parts now to consider,politics being one!!!!
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