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[Varche]

I am looking for a car to have for maybe ten years here in Spain.

Quite fancy a Nissan Qashqai +2. around the 2011 - 2013 birthdate.

Anyway looking at Automatic but this being Spain most of the small pool available are diesel. They get quite a good review - six speed auto on the 2.0l diesel.

My concern is that I said I wouldn't ever have a diesel fitted with a DPF. So the question is anyone have an idea when these need replacing? Ditto when do the diesel fuel pumps go. Is it a product of age or mileage or both? Also how long is a piece of string ( joking)   

[Stargazer57N]

Hi Varche,
 Dpf's only need replacing if they get majorly clogged as they should regenerate automatically when driving. That being said if there is a fault with the fuel or exhaust system they will not regen and this is what normally does them in. I would not advise having a diesel with a dpf if you're only doing short journeys or mainly town driving. The reason being that the dpf regen process when the exhaust is up to temp and when at a steady higher speed, so once again they'll choke up if you do a lot of urban driving.
As for the fuel pump if the vehicle is serviced regularly  they should last the life of the car, but not always. So you can add the string theory to that part of the question.

[tigers_gonads]

Is the DPF required for the MOT (or Spanish equivalent) or can they be removed ?

[serek]

use only genuine fuel filter other way you will have starting problems    tested on 5 different cars

[tunnie]

All depends on type of driving you do, I've invested in VCDS for my VW. (Tech2 for VW type thing)

I can see mine is doing its regen cycle just fine, having done one about 100 miles ago. It has 8g of "soot" since last one, an idle based regen kicks in at 30g and full regen at 40g in a driving cycle.

Done over 3k in it so far, it's performing fine as I keep checking it.

I do 25 miles each way to work, but over half is down M3 and M25 with constant 50mph+ speeds.

If you only do town runs, the DPF will never get hot enough to burn off the soot.

[Entwood]

All depends on type of driving you do, I've invested in VCDS for my VW. (Tech2 for VW type thing)

I can see mine is doing its regen cycle just fine, having done one about 100 miles ago. It has 8g of "soot" since last one, an idle based regen kicks in at 30g and full regen at 40g in a driving cycle.

Done over 3k in it so far, it's performing fine as I keep checking it.

I do 25 miles each way to work, but over half is down M3 and M25 with constant 50mph+ speeds.

If you only do town runs, the DPF will never get hot enough to burn off the soot.

So saving all the pedestrians from choking on the pollution a regen causes ... only trucks and boats should burn the devils fuel ... 

[tunnie]

Sorry, can't agree. I'm really enjoying diesel driving experience, so much torque. It suits my driving style, it's got enough go for me more than enough. Over 60mpg on run is great too 

[Entwood]

Sorry, can't agree. I'm really enjoying diesel driving experience, so much torque polluting the world and all its inhabitants. It suits my driving style, it's got enough go for me more than enough. Over 60mpg on run is great too 

Fixed it for you ..

[Doctor Gollum]

Varche, don't worry about the dpf... the one on Stemos blue fugly bus looks to be easily accessible 

[tunnie]

Sorry, can't agree. I'm really enjoying diesel driving experience, so much torque polluting the world and all its inhabitants. It suits my driving style, it's got enough go for me more than enough. Over 60mpg on run is great too 

Fixed it for you ..

Says person who drives a 3.2V6 which gets what 14mpg on gas, pulling a burger van. That's made out of huge amounts of plastic, don't think you should play the Eco card really. 

[Stargazer57N]

Is the DPF required for the MOT (or Spanish equivalent) or can they be removed ?

They are need for the UK MOT if they are fitted as standard and if removed the car will fail the emissions test.
 

[Stargazer57N]

[/quote]

Says person who drives a 3.2V6 which gets what 14mpg on gas, pulling a burger van. That's made out of huge amounts of plastic, don't think you should play the Eco card really. 
[/quote]    nicely said.

[Doctor Gollum]

All I will say is that it's just like fishing for mackerel in the Solent in August... how much you catch is limited only by the size of the bucket you use

Mr E has been a bit argumentative of late though

[Doctor Gollum]

To be fair, a fourteen year old car has been carbon neutral for years and the plastic house is probably almost all recycled and recyclable 

[tunnie]

Just saying a thirsty V6 and burger van is not exactly eco, so if you don't like diesel then go on performance, noise type, smell, engine note.

I don't think the exhaust emmisions matter, for me anyway.

If it was not for my miles, I would have gone petrol.

[Varche]

Is the DPF required for the MOT (or Spanish equivalent) or can they be removed ?

I doubt they could be removed for the ITV(MOT). They don't even like non standard tyre sizes.

Would be doing a min of 20 mile journeys. I hate myself for admitting it but I often leave our current diesel running when I stop somewhere rather than switching it off. (yes I know that it illegal).  I also have some pangs about the cleanliness / environment thing. I have been really impressed by the diesel hire cars I have had including the Passat. Needs must when the devil drives is probably appropriate.

So I need good service history.

[tunnie]

You need to know how it's been driven (route type) ideally get what Nissan DIYers use to read car ecu fully. Level of ash might give a clue, this is the product of the soot burn. It cannot be removed unless you take the DPF off, I'm expecting to take mine off to clean the ash out at around 150/160k

[Marks DTM Calib]

Just saying a thirsty V6 and burger van is not exactly eco, so if you don't like diesel then go on performance, noise type, smell, engine note.

I don't think the exhaust emmisions matter, for me anyway.

If it was not for my miles, I would have gone petrol.

Diesel has far more harmful crap coming out the back than petrol, no matter how big the engine or the mpg.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Only thing to be aware of is that Nissan use the Renault diesel engines and they can be rather troublesome, the 1.5 is particularly bad although at least the 2.0 is a chain setup.

 

[tigers_gonads]

Sorry, can't agree. I'm really enjoying diesel driving experience, so much torque polluting the world and all its inhabitants. It suits my driving style, it's got enough go for me more than enough. Over 60mpg on run is great too 

Fixed it for you ..

Says person who drives a 3.2V6 which gets what 14mpg on gas, pulling a burger van. That's made out of huge amounts of plastic, don't think you should play the Eco card really. 

You having a sense of humour failure tunnie 
Must be time of the month or something 

[Entwood]

Just saying a thirsty V6 and burger van is not exactly eco, so if you don't like diesel then go on performance, noise type, smell, engine note.

I don't think the exhaust emmisions matter, for me anyway.

If it was not for my miles, I would have gone petrol.

Diesel has far more harmful crap coming out the back than petrol, no matter how big the engine or the mpg.

What is this stuff .. ah I know .. that stuff I put in twice a year, whether I need it or not ...  usually midsummer and midwinter.

Tunnie .. you know full well this is an LPG converted V6, so compare LPG to Diesel when comparing the levels of pollution ?? and your comment "I don't think the exhaust emmisions matter" says more about you than anything else .. IMHO ... 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Petrol is far cleaner than diesel anyway

[tunnie]

Just saying a thirsty V6 and burger van is not exactly eco, so if you don't like diesel then go on performance, noise type, smell, engine note.

I don't think the exhaust emmisions matter, for me anyway.

If it was not for my miles, I would have gone petrol.

Diesel has far more harmful crap coming out the back than petrol, no matter how big the engine or the mpg.

What is this stuff .. ah I know .. that stuff I put in twice a year, whether I need it or not ...  usually midsummer and midwinter.

Tunnie .. you know full well this is an LPG converted V6, so compare LPG to Diesel when comparing the levels of pollution ?? and your comment "I don't think the exhaust emmisions matter" says more about you than anything else .. IMHO ... 

If I could afford it, I'd commute in a V8 Range Rover Diesel. Sadly cannot afford said car....

But what we do on this tiny little island is dwarfed by China and other heavy industry around the world. So what comes out of the tail pipe on one little car here, has no bearing for me, why should it? 

I'm not exactly going to go a buy a 2.0 petrol, which gets say 35mpg. Just to be nice to the environment 

[Mister Rog]

Sorry, can't agree. I'm really enjoying diesel driving experience, so much torque. It suits my driving style, it's got enough go for me more than enough. Over 60mpg on run is great too 

I got my first ever diesel some weeks ago. Pleasantly surprised    Especially fuel consumption, it's not brilliant at around 43mpg (it's AWD), but after a 3.2 MV6 it's a big difference

[tigers_gonads]

During fast A road driving  , I just got 194 miles out of 44 litres of LPG 
I'm happy 

[Mister Rog]

During fast A road driving  , I just got 194 miles out of 44 litres of LPG 
I'm happy 

I'll never use LPG

1. I need the space in the car

2. I drive abroad quite often and LPG not allowed in the Channel Tunnel

[2boxerdogs]

My 4x4 is diesel & is the perfect workhorse, the V8 Merc is of course petrol so judging by my choice of vehicles it is obvious what my thoughts of emissions & pollution are.😉

[tunnie]

Sorry, can't agree. I'm really enjoying diesel driving experience, so much torque. It suits my driving style, it's got enough go for me more than enough. Over 60mpg on run is great too 

I got my first ever diesel some weeks ago. Pleasantly surprised    Especially fuel consumption, it's not brilliant at around 43mpg (it's AWD), but after a 3.2 MV6 it's a big difference

MrsT complained there was little fuel in 3.2 at the weekend, it had done 270 miles and was near the red. Over 60 quid later it's full.

Jumped in the VW for work today, trip said 420 miles, it's only just passed half way on fuel gauge. 

[BazaJT]

Not entering the Diesel/petrol/lpg debate,but is there some particular reason you want a +2 Qashqai?Those rearmost "seats" are a complete and utter joke!

[STEMO]

Only thing to be aware of is that Nissan use the Renault diesel engines and they can be rather troublesome, the 1.5 is particularly bad although at least the 2.0 is a chain setup.

In what way, exactly?

[citroenguy]

Just saying a thirsty V6 and burger van is not exactly eco, so if you don't like diesel then go on performance, noise type, smell, engine note.

I don't think the exhaust emmisions matter, for me anyway.

If it was not for my miles, I would have gone petrol.

Diesel has far more harmful crap coming out the back than petrol, no matter how big the engine or the mpg.

What is this stuff .. ah I know .. that stuff I put in twice a year, whether I need it or not ...  usually midsummer and midwinter.

Tunnie .. you know full well this is an LPG converted V6, so compare LPG to Diesel when comparing the levels of pollution ?? and your comment "I don't think the exhaust emmisions matter" says more about you than anything else .. IMHO ... 

If I could afford it, I'd commute in a V8 Range Rover Diesel. Sadly cannot afford said car....

But what we do on this tiny little island is dwarfed by China and other heavy industry around the world. So what comes out of the tail pipe on one little car here, has no bearing for me, why should it? 

I'm not exactly going to go a buy a 2.0 petrol, which gets say 35mpg. Just to be nice to the environment 

Well, diesels do chuck out more cancerous/nasty stuff that is bad for the people around you who breath it in.
This is already becoming a problem in cities.
The least air polluting to my knowledge is MPI / indirect injection petrol (Omega, Veccy C, etc..) in the middle is the more modern GDI/ direct injection cars, they produce smaller particles, similar to diesels. Which are worse because they get further into you.. And at the bottom there is diesel.
This is why VW are putting particle filters on some of their new PETROL cars 

[ozzycat]

have you thought about a hyundia x 35 there a very good suv petrol or derv

[TD]

Just saying a thirsty V6 and burger van is not exactly eco, so if you don't like diesel then go on performance, noise type, smell, engine note.

I don't think the exhaust emmisions matter, for me anyway.

If it was not for my miles, I would have gone petrol.

Diesel has far more harmful crap coming out the back than petrol, no matter how big the engine or the mpg.

The gov doesn't exactly encourage you to buy petrol engines tho....

RFL on my 1.6 diesel (CO2 114) cost is £30/yr

Compare that to exactly the same model with a 1.6 petrol  (CO2 159) cost is £185/yr

[tunnie]

Just saying a thirsty V6 and burger van is not exactly eco, so if you don't like diesel then go on performance, noise type, smell, engine note.

I don't think the exhaust emmisions matter, for me anyway.

If it was not for my miles, I would have gone petrol.

Diesel has far more harmful crap coming out the back than petrol, no matter how big the engine or the mpg.

The gov doesn't exactly encourage you to buy petrol engines tho....

RFL on my 1.6 diesel (CO2 114) cost is £30/yr

Compare that to exactly the same model with a 1.6 petrol  (CO2 159) cost is £185/yr

Same with my 2.0 TDi 

[Kevin Wood]

So, you'd put up with a tractor to save £155* a year? 



* - excludes DPF, injector, replacement, more regular servicing, etc.

[Lazydocker]

During fast A road driving  , I just got 194 miles out of 44 litres of LPG 
I'm happy 

I'll never use LPG

1. I need the space in the car

2. I drive abroad quite often and LPG not allowed in the Channel Tunnel

1. There are options that don't encroach on load space.

2. Use the ferry - It's a far better, more reliable service than those retards can offer on the Chunnel and you get to have a rest and a stretch

Then you really get the benefit of LPG as in most of Europand it is 1/3 of the cost of petrol

[Marks DTM Calib]

Only thing to be aware of is that Nissan use the Renault diesel engines and they can be rather troublesome, the 1.5 is particularly bad although at least the 2.0 is a chain setup.

In what way, exactly?

The 1.5 throws belts and often before the service intervals.

The 2.0 just does not last, it may well be the service intervals but random major failures befall them from throwing rods to cracked heads to injector seals leaking and failed injectors yadda yadda yadda.

[STEMO]

Only thing to be aware of is that Nissan use the Renault diesel engines and they can be rather troublesome, the 1.5 is particularly bad although at least the 2.0 is a chain setup.

In what way, exactly?

The 1.5 throws belts and often before the service intervals.

The 2.0 just does not last, it may well be the service intervals but random major failures befall them from throwing rods to cracked heads to injector seals leaking and failed injectors yadda yadda yadda.

Some of the people on the captur forum have had theirs since 2013, no mention of any engine problems, just shoddy build.
They do come with a four year warranty si I'm not unduly worried.

[tunnie]

So, you'd put up with a tractor to save £155* a year? 



* - excludes DPF, injector, replacement, more regular servicing, etc.

At risk of creating war, I prefer my VW to the 3.2.

60+ mpg vs 25mpg (High 30-s if lpg)
I find the seats and driving position better, it's more supportive. Electric lower lumbar support is excellent, head rests that extend forwards as well as up, provide very comfy position. (I'm sure other makes do similar things with head rest)
Torque - So much low down torque, mid range it feels faster than 3.2.
I oil change/other service bits the 2.2 and 3.2 every 5k - I plan to repeat this with the VW, so no change here.
For my driving style, VW handles better far less body roll.

I should add when I had a Mondeo before the Omega, I had lots of scare stories to put me off the Omega. 

I've very happy with my choice, no putting up required. If I could afford it, I'd swap out the 3.2 for a Passat Estate. But no point at the moment due to the low miles the 3.2 does as the mum bus.

[2boxerdogs]

There's no doubting that the Omegas were good in their day  but there are now plenty of better cars around nowadays, sounds like you have found one.👌👌
I still like them but wanted a V8 of some type & was lucky to find my Merc the engine is superb but in all honesty the Omega was just as comfortable to ride in, if you can find one that has been looked after they are good value still.

[TheBoy]

During fast A road driving  , I just got 194 miles out of 44 litres of LPG 
I'm happy 

I'll never use LPG

1. I need the space in the car

2. I drive abroad quite often and LPG not allowed in the Channel Tunnel

At 53.9p a litre, so:

1) I got a roofbox for the 2 or 3 times a year I needed the space
2) I used a ferry, as the only sensible thing to do with the tunnel is to fill it with water, as its run by scum.

[Nick W]

During fast A road driving  , I just got 194 miles out of 44 litres of LPG 
I'm happy 

I'll never use LPG

1. I need the space in the car

2. I drive abroad quite often and LPG not allowed in the Channel Tunnel

1. There are options that don't encroach on load space.

2. Use the ferry - It's a far better, more reliable service than those retards can offer on the Chunnel and you get to have a rest and a stretch

Considerably cheaper too.

[Mister Rog]

During fast A road driving  , I just got 194 miles out of 44 litres of LPG 
I'm happy 

I'll never use LPG

1. I need the space in the car

2. I drive abroad quite often and LPG not allowed in the Channel Tunnel

1. There are options that don't encroach on load space.

2. Use the ferry - It's a far better, more reliable service than those retards can offer on the Chunnel and you get to have a rest and a stretch

Considerably cheaper too.

Ha ! We've had this conversation many times before     

I'm off to France Tomorrow. Returning on Sunday. Car with 4 people £119 at times that very much suit me. 20 minutes less driving than Dover, and much shorter crossing time. I didn't even check the ferries, I'm completely happy with that. The ferries would need to be staggeringly cheap and at convenient times for me to have considered. I do like the ferry when time is not an issue, but that's unusual. Looking back over the years, I've really not had many problems with Chunnel.

[TD]

So, you'd put up with a tractor to save £155* a year? 



* - excludes DPF, injector, replacement, more regular servicing, etc.

Add about £3k savings in fuel/yr in my case 

[Doctor Gollum]

Saving up for the injectors, dpf and dmf next year then...

[TD]

Saving up for the injectors, dpf and dmf next year then...

And when you used to drive a cab, what fuel did your Merc and Insignia use? 

[STEMO]

Saving up for the injectors, dpf and dmf next year then...

And when you used to drive a cab, what fuel did your Merc and Insignia use? 

He didn't keep them long enough to worry.

[Doctor Gollum]

Saving up for the injectors, dpf and dmf next year then...

And when you used to drive a cab, what fuel did your Merc and Insignia use? 

Diesel and all were bought on colour/price... Besides, I didn't have any of them long enough to worry about breakdowns

[TD]

Saving up for the injectors, dpf and dmf next year then...

And when you used to drive a cab, what fuel did your Merc and Insignia use? 

Diesel and all were bought on colour/price... Besides, I didn't have any of them long enough to worry about breakdowns

That's right