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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: feeutfo on 28 November 2010, 11:16:58
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Forgetting the fact I personally will not be buying another stag kit for a minute.
Can we talk about LPG front end kit prices....?
How much did you pay if you have one already? If you don't mind me asking.
Would you use them again and where would you get your next kit from should you need one?
Ta.
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Never erd of Oscar but seems cheep. :-/
http://www.autogasexperts.co.uk/lpg-products-for-sale
Tinley tech, seems expensive, and doesn't give the maker.
http://www.tinleytech.co.uk/lpgprices.html
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That top one seems very cheap.. whats missing i wonder?
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Hmm. I wouldn't go for a "no name" kit just to avoid Stag, TBH. It would be Stag or a "premium" kit for me.
Probably best to ask about other kits on one of the LPG forums.
Kevin
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See, I am toying with another Stag... ...though something isn't quite right since the temp plummetted... ...can't hoof it currently, it just sits there bleeping at me...
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See, I am toying with another Stag... ...though something isn't quite right since the temp plummetted... ...can't hoof it currently, it just sits there bleeping at me...
Wonder if the temp/time threshold needs raising before the LPG cuts in? Had similar on mine.
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See, I am toying with another Stag... ...though something isn't quite right since the temp plummetted... ...can't hoof it currently, it just sits there bleeping at me...
Strange... mine is absolutely fine. In fact, we were a little late leaving last night for a dinner we were going to and I managed quite a spirited drive on LPG in sub-zero temperatures ::) ::)
I wouldn't rule out Stag kits... ISTR that JamesV6 fitted a Stag kit recently with Magic injectors (and a different Vaporiser) and had no lag whatsoever
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See, I am toying with another Stag... ...though something isn't quite right since the temp plummetted... ...can't hoof it currently, it just sits there bleeping at me...
Wonder if the temp/time threshold needs raising before the LPG cuts in? Had similar on mine.
Although only during warm up....
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See, I am toying with another Stag... ...though something isn't quite right since the temp plummetted... ...can't hoof it currently, it just sits there bleeping at me...
Wonder if the temp/time threshold needs raising before the LPG cuts in? Had similar on mine.
The idle is a bit pants on LPG until engine warm in this weather - earlier it was fully warmed, and I went to test that lag issue in Sports Mode, but the bugger kept bleeping, and flicking to petrol.
Wonder if the multivalve doesn't have the flow when really cold, though I know chrisgixers is a multivalve...
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Or maybe I should recalibrate again...
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Or maybe I should recalibrate again...
Ime at some point during winter summer transition that will be be necessary. I set the switch over back a bit as well.
Altough don't think I had quite what you describe :-/
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Or maybe I should recalibrate again...
Ime at some point during winter summer transition that will be be necessary. I set the switch over back a bit as well.
Altough don't think I had quite what you describe :-/
Mind you, I reckon I have more gas after Friday night than what is in the tank....
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Mine has also been absolutely fine. Outside temperature makes no odds.
I have the occasional stumble if it's started with a warm engine and switched over relatively soon (I think mine is set to 20-30s). No problem from cold, and that's with switchover at 20 degrees C IIRC. Quite often it will switch over when idling on the drive with me scraping the ice off the screen Still runs perfectly on LPG.
No stumbles when hot either, apart from the odd duff gear change.
I wonder if this is down to a multivalve VS 4 hole?
Also would be good to see what low vapour pressure threshold you're running.
Kevin
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Mind you, I reckon I have more gas after Friday night than what is in the tank....
That was a pretend curry too. ;D
More practice required... ::)
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Mind you, I reckon I have more gas after Friday night than what is in the tank....
That was a pretend curry too. ;D
More practice required... ::)
Whilst it tasted nice enough, I was disappointed by how much they (didn't) spice it up... ...unless Mrs TB slipped them a tenner, in order to reduce her suffering of the aftermath :P
I think it our duty to give the chef more training. Chris can train the waiter ;D
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Mind you, I reckon I have more gas after Friday night than what is in the tank....
That was a pretend curry too. ;D
More practice required... ::)
Whilst it tasted nice enough, I was disappointed by how much they (didn't) spice it up... ...unless Mrs TB slipped them a tenner, in order to reduce her suffering of the aftermath :P
I think it our duty to give the chef more training. Chris can train the waiter ;D
PMSL. We'll have to frisk him for offensive weapons on the way in. ;D
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I worry about you lot sometimes.. :o ;D
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Good evening we have a table booked in the name of ...... for 6 people. Long pause, one moment please, cafufle, for 6people sir? Yes 6.
Now I know from a text from TB that there may have been a communication issue when booking, but booked it certainly was, so I'm expecting a donkey somewhere along the line, and as usual, like a donkey magnet I found him.
Finally, this way sir, and shows us to our table ......and he waits for us to sit down at the table, which we don't, ho looks at us, we look at him.....that's a table for 4! I tell him. Yes sir. He says confidently. We booked a table for 6!I tell him for the third time, while staring directly at the table next to us set for 6 people. Oh oh so sorry sir, and he moves to pass us presumably to check the booking list again, I block his path and noting that there is only one six seater in the room I enquire, I wonder, could this be our table? Ooooh yyyyyes sir, certainly sir. :D
I mean ffs, there was us 3 and one other couple in the entire room. ;D
We sit, drinks? Yes what lager do you have? Lager? He says, like it's some sort of potion. After a 30 second pause, carling? .......cobra?YES COBRA that's fine one large cobra please and white wine for the Lady. "Large" cobra sir? Oh just bring us a drink will you!!!!!!....and off he runs, disappearing for 10minutes at least.
On return he asks if we want popadoms, yes but when the rest of our party arrive, mean time could we have our drinks please? >:( getting stroppy now I am! Dribks finally arrive. Would you like popadoms ? ....looking round the table at 4 empty seats I fix him with my best padington bear and he leaves again.
Mr and Mrs TB arrive. We where early btw. Drinks sorted, would you like popadoms, we all politely decine again. Mr and Mrs Wood arrive, Kev asks what lager they have and he immediately directs Kev to the drinks menu as he still can't remember and the rest of us crack up discretely as I've told them the history. Drinks sorted again and off he trots.....er before you go,almost in unison"CAN WE HAVE SOME POPADOMS PLEASE" as he has clearly forgotten that we are a table for six and we now have six people ;D ;D ;D
If it wasn't so funny towards the end we might have left for fear of poisoning or something.
Luckily other waiters arrived and the rest of the meal and service was very good. If a little mild.
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But after the entertainment, we did move on to discuss LPG kits. Prins or Stag?
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Can an admin please change Chris' username to 'donkeymagnet'? Thanks! ;D
(Ok that's enough off topic from me)
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Shhhh, approaching 10k. ;)
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Popadoms are like buses. You wait for ages for them, and just as you're about to give up, three plates arrive at once. ;D
Then chrisgixer inhales them along with all the chutneys. ;D
Kevin
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But after the entertainment, we did move on to discuss LPG kits. Prins or Stag?
Not sure we ever quite decided that one - I think we all need a go in each other's cars to work out who suffers the most. Given that its chilly this time of year. maybe we could meet up at a curry house to warm up ::)
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Popadoms are like buses. You wait for ages for them, and just as you're about to give up, three plates arrive at once. ;D
Then chrisgixer inhales them along with all the chutneys. ;D
Kevin
Oh blimey, I had forgotten about that ;D ;D ;D
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Prins is supposed to be good, but seen nothing about DIYing them :(.
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Prins is supposed to be good, but seen nothing about DIYing them :(.
Sadly that is true they don't diy officially.
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What is the range of an omega with a full LPG tank, say 100 liter tank.
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What is the range of an omega with a full LPG tank, say 100 liter tank.
Mine's a 90L tank and I was managing 380 miles between fill ups in September when I wast travelling... I wasn't hanging about either :-X ::)
I normally work on 280-330 miles between fill ups for mixed driving :y :y
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What is the range of an omega with a full LPG tank, say 100 liter tank.
Mine's a 90L tank and I was managing 380 miles between fill ups in September when I wast travelling... I wasn't hanging about either :-X ::)
I normally work on 280-330 miles between fill ups for mixed driving :y :y
My 80l (fills to 65l) is good for 250m normally. I have had 280l on a fun.
Works out to approx 19.5mpg @65.9ppl
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What is the range of an omega with a full LPG tank, say 100 liter tank.
Mine's a 90L tank and I was managing 380 miles between fill ups in September when I wast travelling... I wasn't hanging about either :-X ::)
I normally work on 280-330 miles between fill ups for mixed driving :y :y
My 80l (fills to 65l) is good for 250m normally. I have had 280l on a fun.
Works out to approx 19.5mpg @65.9ppl
Should add... My 90L tank only fills to 72L ;)
My driving is predominantly fast A roads with lots of roundabouts. But, apart from the Italy trip which produced fantastic economy (for the speeds I was cruising at), I get pretty similar economy to TB :y :y
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Right guys I need to get one of my omegas to run on LPG, I'm moving back to the UK in Jan and I'II need to commute 700 miles a week, so who can help me install a kit???
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Sorry to drag a dusty one...
...did chrisgixer make a decision or get further info on kits?
I need to LPG "that bloody elite". You never know, I might even start driving it then - its costing me a fortune in battery charging ;D ;D ;D
I am, once again, happy-ish with my Stag. I've worked out how to get it to lag (almost) consistently, and its defo worse on lower gas levels in tank. The recalibration has cured the woeful mpg I had for a couple of runs in the first spell of cold weather, before the snow (17mpg :o), and the idle is much better. Also, the BLMs are hard pinned at one end of the scale ::) - I really should Tech2 my own cars a bit more often ;D
Given the current cost of LPG (73.9p is cheapest around here), I wouldn't want to spend mega money on a kit, and cost does make the Stag seem attractive again. Plus the knowledge on this site is worth a fortune.
So, AC Stag 300+ or A.N.Other?
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Sorry to drag a dusty one...
...did chrisgixer make a decision or get further info on kits?
I need to LPG "that bloody elite". You never know, I might even start driving it then - its costing me a fortune in battery charging ;D ;D ;D
I am, once again, happy-ish with my Stag. I've worked out how to get it to lag (almost) consistently, and its defo worse on lower gas levels in tank. The recalibration has cured the woeful mpg I had for a couple of runs in the first spell of cold weather, before the snow (17mpg :o), and the idle is much better. Also, the BLMs are hard pinned at one end of the scale ::) - I really should Tech2 my own cars a bit more often ;D
Given the current cost of LPG (73.9p is cheapest around here), I wouldn't want to spend mega money on a kit, and cost does make the Stag seem attractive again. Plus the knowledge on this site is worth a fortune.
So, AC Stag 300+ or A.N.Other?
I agree LPG has rocketed .. by then so has petrol !! very noticeable after 5 weeks away !!
LPG is still a decent bet though IMHO ... working extremely simple figures ...
Petrol at 129.9 p/litre = £5.90 a gall, @ 23 mpg thats 25.6 pence/mile
LPG at 73.9 p/litre = £3.35 a gall @ 20 mpg thats 16.7 pence/mile
so it is still 34% cheaper. (8.9 p/mile saving). 23/20 are the figures I have after nearly 3 years use .. so a fairly representative average methinks.
If you do 20,000 miles a year a DIY conversion at £700 would pay for itself in 6 months.
Obviously if your consumption is markedly different the maths change rapidly.
My account suppliers (countrywide) seem convinced that LPG prices will drop, it appears the yanks have been buying LPG in megatonnes which has been the major cause of a shortage/price rise.
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I've going to vote stag, just because of the huge experience of it here :y
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I've going to vote stag, just because of the huge experience of it here :y
I would probably do the same, TBH. It's cheap, a known quantity and reliable and, for 99% of the time, the car drives exactly as it did on petrol.
We must have clocked up a good few miles on those kits between us with very little hassle.
Kevin
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As said previously, some of the lag issues on my old car, lift off from Wot, and during some gear changes seem present on my current car which doesnt have LPG at all, although not as bad. There is a dip when lifting as witnessed by Kevin Wood with a dataloging tech 2. Although gear Change issue never showed then, it is there. Although I do need to change the ATF.
So, I can't see fitting Prins fixing a petrol issue however mild it is, it's only going to get worse so therefor a waist of money, therefor fit stag and possibly fit better injectors if at all.
Not done anything about it since we last spoke, but yes also need to sort something out, filling up is making my eyes water ATM!
What happened to ban the pump at £1 a litre? Having said that I'd rather pay for petrol than work on the car in snow/winter.
Anyway, stag it is!
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Not done anything about it since we last spoke, but yes also need to sort something out, filling up is making my eyes water ATM!
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£40 to top up a 1/3rd full MX-5 this morning. You're not joking. ;D
Kevin
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Not done anything about it since we last spoke, but yes also need to sort something out, filling up is making my eyes water ATM!
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£40 to top up a 1/3rd full MX-5 this morning. You're not joking. ;D
Yeah - I'm even thinking about using the MR2 next week, assuming the weather is half decent.
I keep pondering LPG, but I'm not sure I really do the miles for it to pay itself back before I get bored and change cars or the car breaks* .. plus the idea of having even more crap under the bonnet puts me off a bit - it's not exactly flush for space under there, and it means more stuff to take off & put back on every time you need to do cam covers/cambelt/breathers etc, no?
(*It's started making a very odd 'swish-swish-swish' noise a little like a washing machine at idle when cold.. presumably a bearing starting to break down)
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I tend to buy cars in a reasonable state and keep them until they have well and truly had it so it made sense to me.
(*It's started making a very odd 'swish-swish-swish' noise a little like a washing machine at idle when cold.. presumably a bearing starting to break down)
Sounds like a belt to me. Aux belt a little worn? Tensioner bearing getting noisy?
What about the cam belt? How many miles has it got on it?
Kevin
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Sounds like a belt to me. Aux belt a little worn? Tensioner bearing getting noisy?
What about the cam belt? How many miles has it got on it?
I think (hope ;)) it's the aux belt - the cam belt is supposed to only have ~4K on it according to the stamps in the book..
Having said that I'm tempted to pull it off and do it anyway, just for peace of mind (and the fact that I don't trust little ticks in boxes in a service book!)
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Does anyone know of a contact for buying Stag stuff. I would use you-know-who, if only he would return calls/emails, thus allowing me to give him some money!
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Any further thoughts on which injectors, or stick to the cheap and nasty Valteks, for the same reason?
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Presume the latest stag kits come with/can be bought with the new magic injectors, or whatever their called, and go from there....?
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Does anyone know of a contact for buying Stag stuff. I would use you-know-who, if only he would return calls/emails, thus allowing me to give him some money!
I presume these folks (http://www.autogas-lpg.co.uk/conversion-kit/38-s.html) are ultimately you-know-who?
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Does anyone know of a contact for buying Stag stuff. I would use you-know-who, if only he would return calls/emails, thus allowing me to give him some money!
I presume these folks (http://www.autogas-lpg.co.uk/conversion-kit/38-s.html) are ultimately you-know-who?
I don't believe so. Teilo was based on the south coast somewhere, IIRC.
Still, they have the Stag 300 Plus 6 cyl front end for £305. Vapouriser looks a little weedy assuming a KM is a horsepower. :-/
Kevin
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Does anyone know of a contact for buying Stag stuff. I would use you-know-who, if only he would return calls/emails, thus allowing me to give him some money!
I presume these folks (http://www.autogas-lpg.co.uk/conversion-kit/38-s.html) are ultimately you-know-who?
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Teilo trades under a few company names, all to be found at the address given here :y
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motogas.com%2F&ei=qX8wTaPuE5ODhQedm82_Cw&usg=AFQjCNGHn4hfnTzWHdT5V6YJYwVTmr1bJQ
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Does anyone know of a contact for buying Stag stuff. I would use you-know-who, if only he would return calls/emails, thus allowing me to give him some money!
I presume these folks (http://www.autogas-lpg.co.uk/conversion-kit/38-s.html) are ultimately you-know-who?
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Teilo trades under a few company names, all to be found at the address given here :y
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motogas.com%2F&ei=qX8wTaPuE5ODhQedm82_Cw&usg=AFQjCNGHn4hfnTzWHdT5V6YJYwVTmr1bJQ
Figures, almost every other page is under construction....
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Does anyone know of a contact for buying Stag stuff. I would use you-know-who, if only he would return calls/emails, thus allowing me to give him some money!
I presume these folks (http://www.autogas-lpg.co.uk/conversion-kit/38-s.html) are ultimately you-know-who?
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Teilo trades under a few company names, all to be found at the address given here :y
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motogas.com%2F&ei=qX8wTaPuE5ODhQedm82_Cw&usg=AFQjCNGHn4hfnTzWHdT5V6YJYwVTmr1bJQ
Figures, almost every other page is under construction....
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Yes Chris, it does seem the chap is so busy it's a wonder he makes a living! ::) ;)
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Just spoke to Mick at tinly tech, he says he will supply a bigas kit suitable for a 218 bhp V6 engine for £700 including a 90 litre tank, thats with a discount for two kits.
Bigger or donut tanks will be extra, 70 litre donut is another £50.
:-/
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Does anyone know of a contact for buying Stag stuff. I would use you-know-who, if only he would return calls/emails, thus allowing me to give him some money!
I presume these folks (http://www.autogas-lpg.co.uk/conversion-kit/38-s.html) are ultimately you-know-who?
I don't believe so. Teilo was based on the south coast somewhere, IIRC.
Still, they have the Stag 300 Plus 6 cyl front end for £305. Vapouriser looks a little weedy assuming a KM is a horsepower. :-/
Kevin
KM seems equivalent to PS .. apparently it's Slovenian for PS (konjska mo[ch269])! So yeah, ~148bhp - too weedy for us by far.
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Just spoke to Mick at tinly tech, he says he will supply a bigas kit suitable for a 218 bhp V6 engine for £700 including a 90 litre tank, thats with a discount for two kits.
Bigger or donut tanks will be extra, 70 litre donut is another £50.
:-/
Just be aware that that is probably only the bare bones (although I may well be wrong)... You'll still need pipework, brackets, interface leads etc
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Does anyone know of a contact for buying Stag stuff. I would use you-know-who, if only he would return calls/emails, thus allowing me to give him some money!
TBH, I'm reluctant to recommend him to people now days as so many people have had problems with contact :( It's a real shame as he really did supply a comprehensive kit at a very competitive price.
When did you start trying to contact him? I'll try chasing him next week for you if you like (via another couple of numbers I have)? ;)
As for the debate... Personally I think I would be looking for Stag 300+/ Premium with Magic injectors and a slightly more manly Vaporiser. :-/ :-/ Mind you, I can't see me fitting LPG to another of my own cars unless there was a real bargain drop into my lap :o ;)
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Yes Chris, it does seem the chap is so busy it's a wonder he makes a living! ::) ;)
See my post above ^^^^^^^
::) ::) ::)
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I just sent a message to the folks at autogas-lpg.co.uk to see if they can supply a more suitable [Stag] kit for the Omega.. Wonder if they'll reply..
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I just sent a message to the folks at autogas-lpg.co.uk to see if they can supply a more suitable [Stag] kit for the Omega.. Wonder if they'll reply..
Would have thought so... ISTRC that JamesV6cdx bought his last kit from them :-/
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Yes Chris, it does seem the chap is so busy it's a wonder he makes a living! ::) ;)
See my post above ^^^^^^^
::) ::) ::)
Going by some of the prices I have received it's a shame on cost too....
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Yes Chris, it does seem the chap is so busy it's a wonder he makes a living! ::) ;)
See my post above ^^^^^^^
::) ::) ::)
Going by some of the prices I have received it's a shame on cost too....
Hmm... Just thinking out loud here but I don't have the same problems contacting him that others do (as I have another couple of personal numbers for him ;)), is it worth me trying to get in touch with him next week and getting some prices?
What tank options are we looking at?
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I'm looking for a kit but no need for a tank :y
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I'm looking for a kit but no need for a tank :y
Ok... So that's 2 Front end kits (assuming TB is after one)...
Chris?
All I'm going to do is chase him up for a price for them. ;)
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Need a 3 part price personally,
Kit alone, and with either
90litr 4 hole
Or 70 litre donut(but I need to physically check it fits)
Yeah trust me to be pita ::)
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Also just remembered, he needs to alter the kit contents slightly, the t's for coolant plumbing need to be Elbows instead, and the polly pope needs to be about 3 meters longer for wheel well instalatations, ESP of filler is behind number plate. Minor points though.
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Depending on price I could be interested, as well, actually - with a donut to replace the spare.
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may be useful for someone..
http://top-pdf.com/manual-brc-lpg.html
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Depending on price I could be interested, as well, actually - with a donut to replace the spare.
Estate or saloon? Very different tank for upright saloon or laid flat for estate. Mine is a saloon as LD probably knows... Just being belt and brasses. :)
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Depending on price I could be interested, as well, actually - with a donut to replace the spare.
Estate or saloon? Very different tank for upright saloon or laid flat for estate. Mine is a saloon as LD probably knows... Just being belt and brasses. :)
Aha - estate :) and I'd rather lose the spare than lose boot space (which is why I bought the car in the first place) - hence thinking about a toroidal tank rather than a .. tank tank .. to go under the boot floor.
Assuming you can get a thin enough toroidal (I guess in a saloon thickness isn't an issue)
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Depending on price I could be interested, as well, actually - with a donut to replace the spare.
Estate or saloon? Very different tank for upright saloon or laid flat for estate. Mine is a saloon as LD probably knows... Just being belt and brasses. :)
Aha - estate :) and I'd rather lose the spare than lose boot space (which is why I bought the car in the first place) - hence thinking about a toroidal tank rather than a .. tank tank .. to go under the boot floor.
Assuming you can get a thin enough toroidal (I guess in a saloon thickness isn't an issue)
Aha indeed, LD will be your friend there, but I believe it may involve raising the boot floor to get decent range.
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Also just remembered, he needs to alter the kit contents slightly, the t's for coolant plumbing need to be Elbows instead, and the polly pope needs to be about 3 meters longer for wheel well instalatations, ESP of filler is behind number plate. Minor points though.
I think the kit now comes with T's and Elbows after our previous advice. "Polly pope"? Assume you mean you want an extra 3m of Polyflex? :-? Guessing you're on the phone at the moment? ::)
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Aha indeed, LD will be your friend there, but I believe it may involve raising the boot floor to get decent range.
For my day-to-day commute a couple of hundred miles is alright (ditto for my usual long distance bit down to my folks) - it turns out there's a BP with LPG two minutes from my house and a Total two minutes from the office :)
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Hmm... Just thinking out loud here but I don't have the same problems contacting him that others do (as I have another couple of personal numbers for him ;)), is it worth me trying to get in touch with him next week and getting some prices?
What tank options are we looking at?
I don't understand his problem. He should know by now that with OOF members it's a case of putting the bits in a box and posting them, then cashing the cheque. He can't have many customers who are this easy to deal with.
Aha - estate Smiley and I'd rather lose the spare than lose boot space (which is why I bought the car in the first place) - hence thinking about a toroidal tank rather than a .. tank tank .. to go under the boot floor.
Assuming you can get a thin enough toroidal (I guess in a saloon thickness isn't an issue)
My current thoughts on estates is to get a 4 hole filled-in toroidal and cut a hole in the wheel well for the valves.
Using a normal toroidal, you lose the capacity in the hole in the middle of the doughnut and you then need sufficient space between the petrol tank and the bottom of the wheel well to route the pipes out - which isn't really there, TBH, especially if you're going to be COP compliant and not have the vent exiting onto the fuel tank. ::)
Other option is to space the tank up to allow routing of pipes which means you need to raise the boot floor as well. Even without spacing the tank upwards you can only go for a pretty small tank before raising the boot floor. (tying to remember which one we put in Marie's estate).
Either way, will need a bit of planning.
Kevin
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Aha indeed, LD will be your friend there, but I believe it may involve raising the boot floor to get decent range.
For my day-to-day commute a couple of hundred miles is alright (ditto for my usual long distance bit down to my folks) - it turns out there's a BP with LPG two minutes from my house and a Total two minutes from the office :)
That definitely helps. 60 litre on gay omega gave between 180 and 230 miles on a commute depending on mood. Almost 270 on a run up to Cumbria once, believe it or not.
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Right... Chris, what size vertical tank did you have last time? I reckon it's ambitious to try and get a 70L one in :-/ Has the new beast got Bose? I would actually recommend a 80L cylinder as it mounts better but if you want the biggest possible a 90L will fit (as you know because mine is ;)) or even a 100L will go in. However, the 100L does have to sit slightly back from the seats and is tight.
Aaron, estate options depend on what you're after. ISTR from my earlier research that raising the floor by approx 40mm gets a tank large enough for around a 300 mile range, failing that you're probably looking at about 210 or so.
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I don't understand his problem. He should know by now that with OOF members it's a case of putting the bits in a box and posting them, then cashing the cheque. He can't have many customers who are this easy to deal with.
Indeed... TBH, as I have told him in the past, his answering service is shite and he's useless with email ::) ::) I'm considering acting as a go between for OOF and him, possibly as a one off, possibly for longer :-/
My current thoughts on estates is to get a 4 hole filled-in toroidal and cut a hole in the wheel well for the valves.
Using a normal toroidal, you lose the capacity in the hole in the middle of the doughnut and you then need sufficient space between the petrol tank and the bottom of the wheel well to route the pipes out - which isn't really there, TBH, especially if you're going to be COP compliant and not have the vent exiting onto the fuel tank. ::)
Other option is to space the tank up to allow routing of pipes which means you need to raise the boot floor as well. Even without spacing the tank upwards you can only go for a pretty small tank before raising the boot floor. (tying to remember which one we put in Marie's estate).
Either way, will need a bit of planning.
Kevin
This is something I looked into long and hard (as you know) and it looks like you can fit a 4-hole full toroidal in the well with the gas-tight box at the top (these are available) and towards the rear of the car (as there's plenty of space) meaning that the vents will exit rear of the petrol tank, pretty much behind the bumper. :-/
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Cheers LD & Chris :) I get about 280, tops, on a tank of petrol on my regular commute so it's not like I'm dropping from starship ranges to nothing, even if it goes down to ~200 miles on a tank.
Using a normal toroidal, you lose the capacity in the hole in the middle of the doughnut and you then need sufficient space between the petrol tank and the bottom of the wheel well to route the pipes out - which isn't really there, TBH, especially if you're going to be COP compliant and not have the vent exiting onto the fuel tank. ::)
Saywhowhatnow? Apparently I have some reading up to do on what's a permissible install eh :)
Either way, will need a bit of planning.
That's what I pay you guys for! What's that? I don't pay you? Oh. ;D
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Cheers LD & Chris :) I get about 280, tops, on a tank of petrol on my regular commute so it's not like I'm dropping from starship ranges to nothing, even if it goes down to ~200 miles on a tank.
If you're looking at 280 tops from a full petrol tank then I'd say that with no adjustments to the boot floor height your range will be a little over half that ;)
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Right... Chris, what size vertical tank did you have last time? I reckon it's ambitious to try and get a 70L one in :-/ Has the new beast got Bose? I would actually recommend a 80L cylinder as it mounts better but if you want the biggest possible a 90L will fit (as you know because mine is ;)) or even a 100L will go in. However, the 100L does have to sit slightly back from the seats and is tight.
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60litre, can't remember the dimensions, iirc 70 might just fit in the space by measuring, but it's going to be a case of getting hands on one to see if it will foul the boot roof inside the wing before dropping down and in to the well. Also there may be some solid/no hole in the middle options in upright form from what I have seen. Valve sits on the outside.....?
I'll have a google.
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Right... Chris, what size vertical tank did you have last time? I reckon it's ambitious to try and get a 70L one in :-/ Has the new beast got Bose? I would actually recommend a 80L cylinder as it mounts better but if you want the biggest possible a 90L will fit (as you know because mine is ;)) or even a 100L will go in. However, the 100L does have to sit slightly back from the seats and is tight.
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60litre, can't remember the dimensions, iirc 70 might just fit in the space by measuring, but it's going to be a case of getting hands on one to see if it will foul the boot roof inside the wing before dropping down and in to the well. Also there may be some solid/no hole in the middle options in upright form from what I have seen. Valve sits on the outside.....?
I'll have a google.
Best bet for getting hands on may be to visit an installer showing interest :-/ :-/
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Right... Chris, what size vertical tank did you have last time? I reckon it's ambitious to try and get a 70L one in :-/ Has the new beast got Bose? I would actually recommend a 80L cylinder as it mounts better but if you want the biggest possible a 90L will fit (as you know because mine is ;)) or even a 100L will go in. However, the 100L does have to sit slightly back from the seats and is tight.
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60litre, can't remember the dimensions, iirc 70 might just fit in the space by measuring, but it's going to be a case of getting hands on one to see if it will foul the boot roof inside the wing before dropping down and in to the well. Also there may be some solid/no hole in the middle options in upright form from what I have seen. Valve sits on the outside.....?
I'll have a google.
Best bet for getting hands on may be to visit an installer showing interest :-/ :-/
Tinley have offered.
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Right... Chris, what size vertical tank did you have last time? I reckon it's ambitious to try and get a 70L one in :-/ Has the new beast got Bose? I would actually recommend a 80L cylinder as it mounts better but if you want the biggest possible a 90L will fit (as you know because mine is ;)) or even a 100L will go in. However, the 100L does have to sit slightly back from the seats and is tight.
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60litre, can't remember the dimensions, iirc 70 might just fit in the space by measuring, but it's going to be a case of getting hands on one to see if it will foul the boot roof inside the wing before dropping down and in to the well. Also there may be some solid/no hole in the middle options in upright form from what I have seen. Valve sits on the outside.....?
I'll have a google.
Best bet for getting hands on may be to visit an installer showing interest :-/ :-/
Tinley have offered.
Bit of a trek though... Mind you, probably not much further from yours as it is from mine. I've been to them in the past and they're very knowledgeable and helpful people, albeit a little on the pricey side ( in general) :y
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Just spoke to Mick at tinly tech, he says he will supply a bigas kit suitable for a 218 bhp V6 engine for £700 including a 90 litre tank, thats with a discount for two kits.
Bigger or donut tanks will be extra, 70 litre donut is another £50.
:-/
Just out of interest... Was that £700 all in or plus VAT and delivery? Only ask as I think the kit they're talking about is normally about £795+ the extras, plus extra for polyflex over copper (if pipework is even included) etc... Just something to bear in mind. ;)
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Just spoke to Mick at tinly tech, he says he will supply a bigas kit suitable for a 218 bhp V6 engine for £700 including a 90 litre tank, thats with a discount for two kits.
Bigger or donut tanks will be extra, 70 litre donut is another £50.
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Just out of interest... Was that £700 all in or plus VAT and delivery? Only ask as I think the kit they're talking about is normally about £795+ the extras, plus extra for polyflex over copper (if pipework is even included) etc... Just something to bear in mind. ;)
I didn't ask if four or single hole tank either. Seemed steep to me though tbh. :-/
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I didn't ask if four or single hole tank either. Seemed steep to me though tbh. :-/
Really? I thought £700 was fairly reasonable if it's a complete kit and inclusive of VAT. Other thing, as stated, is to ensure that you get the lead and dongle (if required) to be able to calibrate and tune it.
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Mine would be for the 3.2 Elite, and not skimping on borderline vapurisers etc. Tank - largest that will fit under bose shelf - I'm only getting 250 day to day from the 80l. No stupid 'no drilling' injector mountings either. KW will be drilling mine - not that he knows it yet ::). And while he's there.........
Not sure 4 hole tank needed - last year he was on about a very high flow multivalve. My MV6 has a higher than normal (but not the very high flow), not noticed a problem. This may be cheaper option?
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I didn't ask if four or single hole tank either. Seemed steep to me though tbh. :-/
Really? I thought £700 was fairly reasonable if it's a complete kit and inclusive of VAT. Other thing, as stated, is to ensure that you get the lead and dongle (if required) to be able to calibrate and tune it.
I paid £580 for my complete kit last year, delivered. Stag 300Plus, 80l tank, slightly higher flow multivalve, polyflex, usb lead etc. Only extras I had to steal from KW was longer tank bolts and some coolant elbows.
Not sure if I did well on price because I mentioned your name, plus I was co-founder of this place ::)
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100L will fit width wise, but not sure if its going to be too high for Bose :-/
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I didn't ask if four or single hole tank either. Seemed steep to me though tbh. :-/
Really? I thought £700 was fairly reasonable if it's a complete kit and inclusive of VAT. Other thing, as stated, is to ensure that you get the lead and dongle (if required) to be able to calibrate and tune it.
I paid £580 for my complete kit last year, delivered. Stag 300Plus, 80l tank, slightly higher flow multivalve, polyflex, usb lead etc. Only extras I had to steal from KW was longer tank bolts and some coolant elbows.
Not sure if I did well on price because I mentioned your name, plus I was co-founder of this place ::)
At that sort of price I don't mind fiddling around with the odd little issue, they charged me £830 for mine with upright 60l donut tank, and had a fair bit of buggering about with kit that was actually delivered, wrong tank first off, damaged tank second time round, pipe too short to reach the spare wheel well, some fittings wrong and then the lag issue and dis interest from Tilo in any form of support etc...
But, at £580 or there a bouts I don't see any reason to complain...... For once ;D
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Right, TB, you did get a slightly bigger discount than the rest of us because of who you are... I made sure he was aware. As for tanks... A 100L tank will be as wide as Tunnies tank and 400mm diameter like mine. It will fit, although it's a PITA to do with the BOSE shelf in place... Not really an issue for you though is it? Only thing is getting the holes in the right place when mounting the frame is very hard.
Chris, yours was considerably more expensive because of the tank... Not sure if things have changed now but there was only one manufacturer of vertical toroidals at the time, hence they had the Market cornered.
As we're all going public now... I paid £650 for mine, 4hole tank, delivery, VAT etc all included. Had to buy some spreader plates, long bolts, elbows and an adaptor to go from the polyflex to the tank..
This should have come with the tank (which was drop shipped) but didn't.
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think mine cost about £750 all in, but thats everything! Including B&B and Curry for a certain LPG expert :y
Quickly paid back though! :)
100L tank would be nice, but I am happy with 340-400 mile range
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think mine cost about £750 all in, but thats everything! Including B&B and Curry for a certain LPG expert :y
Quickly paid back though! :)
100L tank would be nice, but I am happy with 340-400 mile range
:-[ ::) was a good couple of days though! :y
I used the Figure of £700 all in for mine, it was slightly less but it's a nice round figure to work with.
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think mine cost about £750 all in, but thats everything! Including B&B and Curry for a certain LPG expert :y
Quickly paid back though! :)
100L tank would be nice, but I am happy with 340-400 mile range
:-[ ::) was a good couple of days though! :y
I used the Figure of £700 all in for mine, it was slightly less but it's a nice round figure to work with.
Very enjoyable, if TB does his Elite have to have a BBQ again at the same time i think!
Any idea when you plan to convert?
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Right, TB, you did get a slightly bigger discount than the rest of us because of who you are... I made sure he was aware. As for tanks... A 100L tank will be as wide as Tunnies tank and 400mm diameter like mine. It will fit, although it's a PITA to do with the BOSE shelf in place... Not really an issue for you though is it? Only thing is getting the holes in the right place when mounting the frame is very hard.
Chris, yours was considerably more expensive because of the tank... Not sure if things have changed now but there was only one manufacturer of vertical toroidals at the time, hence they had the Market cornered.
As we're all going public now... I paid £650 for mine, 4hole tank, delivery, VAT etc all included. Had to buy some spreader plates, long bolts, elbows and an adaptor to go from the polyflex to the tank..
This should have come with the tank (which was drop shipped) but didn't.
Thats where having access to someone who has had the same size tank fitted would be *really* handy, as gives a handy template.
From memory, Tunnie's was compromised with position due to width and suspension struts. Is your 90l the same width as my 80l? Maybe 90l is a better compromise... ...thinking about it, I can already feel the extra weight of a full tank of gas (esp if combined with a full tank of petrol), maybe 100l might be a step too far.... :-/
I try to keep the LPG tank near full - always tend to try to fill when about half full:
a) because you never know when the next opportunity will arise
b) lag issue seems worse on lower tank level.
This is why I fill mine twice a week (I could almost scrap by filling once a week - but I would have the LPGer's buttock twitch that occurs at the thought of running on petrol).
SOoooooo..... ....should I just stick to an 80l ;D
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a 90l is 7l (fillable capacity) larger, so a shade over 1.5g, so 30m... ...is it worth it for the extra fitting hassles (many of us have 80l, and they are an easy fit), the extra weight and likely higher cost? Hmmm.
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think mine cost about £750 all in, but thats everything! Including B&B and Curry for a certain LPG expert :y
Quickly paid back though! :)
100L tank would be nice, but I am happy with 340-400 mile range
:-[ ::) was a good couple of days though! :y
I used the Figure of £700 all in for mine, it was slightly less but it's a nice round figure to work with.
Very enjoyable, if TB does his Elite have to have a BBQ again at the same time i think!
Any idea when you plan to convert?
Guessing mine will be done over a couple of weekends (we've proved its not realistically possible in a single weekend). As I want to keep my existing (low mileage) injectors/manifold, I'll ask Kevin Wood if we get the manifold drilled, and the tank fitted (an element of welding needed for my unusual needs - and my welding still sucks!).
Maybe, if the double garage at Tunnicliffe Towers is available, we could arrange a bit of a 'do', involving a fairly leisurely front end install, including bbq, and an evening of beer and curry...
...I'm sure Mr LD could be strapped to a sack-barrow and wheeled around keeping his back straight, and I'd consider betting a left gonad that a certain Mr Gixer would be upset if he wasn't invited to help a curry. And Mr Wood's Westfield needs a run ;D
;D ;D ;D
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Guessing mine will be done over a couple of weekends (we've proved its not realistically possible in a single weekend). As I want to keep my existing (low mileage) injectors/manifold, I'll ask Kevin Wood if we get the manifold drilled, and the tank fitted (an element of welding needed for my unusual needs - and my welding still sucks!).
Maybe, if the double garage at Tunnicliffe Towers is available, we could arrange a bit of a 'do', involving a fairly leisurely front end install, including bbq, and an evening of beer and curry...
...I'm sure Mr LD could be strapped to a sack-barrow and wheeled around keeping his back straight, and I'd consider betting a left gonad that a certain Mr Gixer would be upset if he wasn't invited to help a curry. And Mr Wood's Westfield needs a run ;D
;D ;D ;D
Actually, joking aside, if people are available and willing, I can see a plan forming... ...hmmm
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Thinking about LPG, I have a daft question..
Do you get an additional fuel gauge for the LPG tank, or is it a case of "I'm out when it stops and I have to switch back to petrol"?
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Thinking about LPG, I have a daft question..
Do you get an additional fuel gauge for the LPG tank, or is it a case of "I'm out when it stops and I have to switch back to petrol"?
Yup!
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/LPG/Day2and3/DSC00686.JPG)
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Guessing mine will be done over a couple of weekends (we've proved its not realistically possible in a single weekend). As I want to keep my existing (low mileage) injectors/manifold, I'll ask Kevin Wood if we get the manifold drilled, and the tank fitted (an element of welding needed for my unusual needs - and my welding still sucks!).
Maybe, if the double garage at Tunnicliffe Towers is available, we could arrange a bit of a 'do', involving a fairly leisurely front end install, including bbq, and an evening of beer and curry...
...I'm sure Mr LD could be strapped to a sack-barrow and wheeled around keeping his back straight, and I'd consider betting a left gonad that a certain Mr Gixer would be upset if he wasn't invited to help a curry. And Mr Wood's Westfield needs a run ;D
;D ;D ;D
Actually, joking aside, if people are available and willing, I can see a plan forming... ...hmmm
Responded to your PM :y
Planning to pop back early Feb anyway, so bit of a do sounds good :)
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Thinking about LPG, I have a daft question..
Do you get an additional fuel gauge for the LPG tank, or is it a case of "I'm out when it stops and I have to switch back to petrol"?
Yup!
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/LPG/Day2and3/DSC00686.JPG)
Ah! Thanks :) I had visions of it being a guessing game, but that's actually quite a neat little looking thing. I'm guessing the B/G switches between Petrol (Benzin?) and Gas?
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Thinking about LPG, I have a daft question..
Do you get an additional fuel gauge for the LPG tank, or is it a case of "I'm out when it stops and I have to switch back to petrol"?
Yup!
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/LPG/Day2and3/DSC00686.JPG)
Ah! Thanks :) I had visions of it being a guessing game, but that's actually quite a neat little looking thing. I'm guessing the B/G switches between Petrol (Benzin?) and Gas?
Correct on all counts. But its still a guessing game, as those gauges (even when calibrated) are horribly inaccurate. Most of us go by the trip meter, and reset every fill.
I know, worse case, I get 250m from my 80l tank (fills to 65l). Obviously, if I'm a good boy, I can get 280+ from a tank.
You'd soon get into that mindset of using the trip, not the gauge. Same as you'd get into the mindset that:
a) caneing the tits off it all the time doesn't matter, as LPG is cheaper ::)
b) running out of LPG and having to use petrol is a sin worse than murder :o
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I'm the same, 'dangle berries' to the gauge, I go on miles, which i reset the trip on every full fill. Problem is you always have to fill rather than stick few quid in. But with LPG more likely to fill anyway.
My gauge goes red when i've still got a good 100 miles left! :o
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I'm the same, 'dangle berries' to the gauge, I go on miles, which i reset the trip on every full fill. Problem is you always have to fill rather than stick few quid in. But with LPG more likely to fill anyway.
My gauge goes red when i've still got a good 100 miles left! :o
The gauge needs recalibrating then!!
I tend to fill mine anyway, as I use Road Trip on the gayphone to work out mpg/usage etc.
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;D
I'm used to using the trip rather than the petrol gauge anyway - I know 250 miles is about time to stop at the next garage, unless I've done 200 miles ragging the nuts off it of course.
Still, at least it's something to give you an indication rather than it just stopping unexpectedly :)
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I'm the same, 'dangle berries' to the gauge, I go on miles, which i reset the trip on every full fill. Problem is you always have to fill rather than stick few quid in. But with LPG more likely to fill anyway.
My gauge goes red when i've still got a good 100 miles left! :o
The gauge needs recalibrating then!!
I tend to fill mine anyway, as I use Road Trip on the gayphone to work out mpg/usage etc.
I may have rotated tank to allow slight overfill ::) 74L in 90L tank
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I'm the same, 'dangle berries' to the gauge, I go on miles, which i reset the trip on every full fill. Problem is you always have to fill rather than stick few quid in. But with LPG more likely to fill anyway.
My gauge goes red when i've still got a good 100 miles left! :o
The gauge needs recalibrating then!!
I tend to fill mine anyway, as I use Road Trip on the gayphone to work out mpg/usage etc.
I may have rotated tank to allow slight overfill ::) 74L in 90L tank
That extra half gallon would explain the range.
Still sounds like you need to reset the gauge slightly.
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not too fused, go on the mileage really :y
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Not sure how correct a thought this is, but us it wise to go bigger than 80ltr tank without self levelling? Which we have obviously? But not in your mv6. Does that make any odds or are you thinking if binning sl shocks?
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Sooo reading between the lines, is there someone who's up to fitting lpg for me, :-? me helping/making coffee etc etc and getting in the way :o ;D
Cheers
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not too fused, go on the mileage really :y
Is that because you forgot to buy the usb cable ;D
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Not sure how correct a thought this is, but us it wise to go bigger than 80ltr tank without self levelling? Which we have obviously? But not in your mv6. Does that make any odds or are you thinking if binning sl shocks?
The thought had crossed my mind.
Kevin Wood has a 90l doesn't he? Or did I make that bit up.
Elite suspension - no decision made yet...
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Remember I have a large garage here for room for 4-8 vehicles, plus it's fairly central to most parties in this thread :y
Seems like we could sort out a production line, maybe?
Plus I can sort overnight accom for pennies too :y
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Remember I have a large garage here for room for 4-8 vehicles, plus it's fairly central to most parties in this thread :y
Seems like we could sort out a production line, maybe?
Plus I can sort overnight accom for pennies too :y
Only trouble with that (although a great idea) is that, should the worst happen again, TB's car is stranded there and one of us (would make sense for it to be me) would need to run him home.
As for a production line... Can't see it being much benefit. More than about 3/4 people just means that you can take it in turns to do bits too
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Not sure how correct a thought this is, but us it wise to go bigger than 80ltr tank without self levelling? Which we have obviously? But not in your mv6. Does that make any odds or are you thinking if binning sl shocks?
The thought had crossed my mind.
Kevin Wood has a 90l doesn't he? Or did I make that bit up.
Elite suspension - no decision made yet...
Yes, you made it up ::) I've got the 90L.
My vote would always be for the 80L tank as it just seems to go in so well... I had to drill new holes in the frame to mount mine and even after over an hour of measuring didn't manage to get them all in the right places :-X
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Not sure how correct a thought this is, but us it wise to go bigger than 80ltr tank without self levelling? Which we have obviously? But not in your mv6. Does that make any odds or are you thinking if binning sl shocks?
The thought had crossed my mind.
Kevin Wood has a 90l doesn't he? Or did I make that bit up.
Elite suspension - no decision made yet...
Yes, you made it up ::) I've got the 90L.
My vote would always be for the 80L tank as it just seems to go in so well... I had to drill new holes in the frame to mount mine and even after over an hour of measuring didn't manage to get them all in the right places :-X
I had to ovalise TB's a bit to get the frame to line up. But what he doesn't know won't hurt him. :-X. :D
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Not sure how correct a thought this is, but us it wise to go bigger than 80ltr tank without self levelling? Which we have obviously? But not in your mv6. Does that make any odds or are you thinking if binning sl shocks?
The thought had crossed my mind.
Kevin Wood has a 90l doesn't he? Or did I make that bit up.
Elite suspension - no decision made yet...
Yes, you made it up ::) I've got the 90L.
My vote would always be for the 80L tank as it just seems to go in so well... I had to drill new holes in the frame to mount mine and even after over an hour of measuring didn't manage to get them all in the right places :-X
I had to ovalise TB's a bit to get the frame to line up. But what he doesn't know won't hurt him. :-X. :D
We'll make that our little secret! :-X :-X ::) ::) :D :D
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I am still very much of the 'will I, wont I' mode..... :-/
It could certainly save a few squids on weekly running, thats for sure, but thats assuming that the deed is done over a short period of time and, perhaps more importantly, set up properly on completion.
Would probably be game for a trip southwards with some fettling beforehand to reduce work times, given that it would be very labour intensive over a weekend, say....
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I am still very much of the 'will I, wont I' mode..... :-/
It could certainly save a few squids on weekly running, thats for sure, but thats assuming that the deed is done over a short period of time and, perhaps more importantly, set up properly on completion.
Would probably be game for a trip southwards with some fettling beforehand to reduce work times, given that it would be very labour intensive over a weekend, say....
If you can get the tank and filler fitted in advance, a weekend is easily doable. Do I recall correctly that you've got a shin breaker?
Anyway... I'm going to try and get a price nailed down for a front end kit this week, then it's just various tank options to finalise price.
So far it looks like there are 2 definite and 2-3 possibles. Average saving is around 10p/mile, perhaps slightly less now. I would imagine that most people would be able to pay back the initial outlay on a DIY kit in under 10k miles.
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I am still very much of the 'will I, wont I' mode..... :-/
It could certainly save a few squids on weekly running, thats for sure, but thats assuming that the deed is done over a short period of time and, perhaps more importantly, set up properly on completion.
Would probably be game for a trip southwards with some fettling beforehand to reduce work times, given that it would be very labour intensive over a weekend, say....
If we could get some inlet manifolds drilled/fitted with nozzles and pipes then sealed off so the car is useable that would save alot of time on the day(s) prior to fitting other gubbins. Most of us know how to strip the top end down to that level....? Easy to do on a weekend. Maybe mount the tank next weekend then connect up the loom/fuel system and commission at the meet.
Tbh I had extra stuff tied up out the way under my bonnet for weeks.
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Yup, got a shinbreaker.... :-[
Would also be lifting the rear floor with wood/marine ply to getbthe best volume as possible with a wheel well tank. Hound just lives in the rear now, without a crate, so height is less of an issue.
Would be interested in the kit price so watching with interest.... ;)
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..... and may have to replace the self levelling kit as well, given the extra weights involved and the lowered suspension.
Was 3 up today and, after a trip to Makro and Ikea, car was kinda dragging its harris and the fixed hook was making its presence known on the speed humps.... ::)
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Yup, got a shinbreaker.... :-[
Would also be lifting the rear floor with wood/marine ply to getbthe best volume as possible with a wheel well tank. Hound just lives in the rear now, without a crate, so height is less of an issue.
Would be interested in the kit price so watching with interest.... ;)
Probably a blessing... Makes a very convenient place for the filler without cutting any holes anywhere ;)
As for raising the floor... Not essential it's done before everything is fitted, could just drop the tank in and take the "lid" off the wheel well in the mean time :-/
Must admit, I'm still looking (albeit half-heartedly) for a late estate with all the toys for me ::)
Other option I considered, although much more expensive and more visible, is a twin tank setup, mounted either side in the boot :-/ But that was to avoid raising the floor. ISTR that raising the floor 40mm (ish) would get a 77(?), possibly 72L tank so should be 250+ mile range.
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..... and may have to replace the self levelling kit as well, given the extra weights involved and the lowered suspension.
Was 3 up today and, after a trip to Makro and Ikea, car was kinda dragging its harris and the fixed hook was making its presence known on the speed humps.... ::)
I would recommend it in that case, especially as the tank will be completely behind the rear axle. Mind you, that's something you can do in advance :y
I would suggest that, if you go for it, you sort the suspension, have the kit fitted etc and visit WIM on the way back up to get it all set up again ;)
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Sooo reading between the lines, is there someone who's up to fitting lpg for me, :-? me helping/making coffee etc etc and getting in the way :o ;D
Cheers
:y
In short... No! If I agreed to fit it for you then we would be talking about an exchange of beer tokens and an agreement where I would accept responsibility for the car and work carried out.
What may be possible is help fitting a kit. Yours is a 4 pot, which is what I wrote the full guide on in the maintenance section (that reminds me, I must do the V6 one :-[ ::)) and it is actually fairly simple... If you can service it, clean the throttle bodies and do the general maintenance you are capable of fitting LPG :y
If, for example (and this isn't an offer at the moment ::)), I were to come up and help you out I would be looking for expenses only... Fuel, B&B (quite happy with a spare bed in your home), all the tea and bacon butties I can manage and perhaps a Curry & beer evening (not necessarily part of the expenses but a good night out ;)) :y
You would also have to accept full responsibility for any work carried out, as did Tunnie when I helped him and as did TB when he was helped. TB's last conversion was a good example of things going wrong... He didn't blame anyone who had worked on it with him and accepted it was one of those things. :y
Of course, in the nicest possible way, you are a very new member at present and I don't know you from Adam so I'm being slightly careful how I'm wording this so you don't take it the wrong way... I'm not currently offering to help you out (apart from anything else, I couldn't with my back as it is ;)) but it isn't an impossibility :y Either way, it will cost you money for hands on help... Whether it is expenses or professional help ;)
Have a good read of the guides... It's not that hard ;)
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Would probably be game for a trip southwards with some fettling beforehand to reduce work times, given that it would be very labour intensive over a weekend, say....
I'd say from when mine was done the main time consumers are injector mounting & tank / filler.
As LD says if you can mount the tank, filler, and get the injectors mounted, be about 2 days work to get it all plumbed together.
Can't re-call the mileage of yours, depends if your willing to fit someone else's injection manifold.
When it came to fitting, there was a 'Blue Peter' moment of, "Here's one I prepared earlier" - Saved so much time!
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I am still very much of the 'will I, wont I' mode..... :-/
It could certainly save a few squids on weekly running, thats for sure, but thats assuming that the deed is done over a short period of time and, perhaps more importantly, set up properly on completion.
Would probably be game for a trip southwards with some fettling beforehand to reduce work times, given that it would be very labour intensive over a weekend, say....
If you wanted to travel down on a friday and stop over at mine your welcome, almost half way ::) then we could travel together the next day to meet up with everyone else ??? :y
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Sooo reading between the lines, is there someone who's up to fitting lpg for me, :-? me helping/making coffee etc etc and getting in the way :o ;D
Cheers
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In short... No! If I agreed to fit it for you then we would be talking about an exchange of beer tokens and an agreement where I would accept responsibility for the car and work carried out.
What may be possible is help fitting a kit. Yours is a 4 pot, which is what I wrote the full guide on in the maintenance section (that reminds me, I must do the V6 one :-[ ::)) and it is actually fairly simple... If you can service it, clean the throttle bodies and do the general maintenance you are capable of fitting LPG :y
If, for example (and this isn't an offer at the moment ::)), I were to come up and help you out I would be looking for expenses only... Fuel, B&B (quite happy with a spare bed in your home), all the tea and bacon butties I can manage and perhaps a Curry & beer evening (not necessarily part of the expenses but a good night out ;)) :y
You would also have to accept full responsibility for any work carried out, as did Tunnie when I helped him and as did TB when he was helped. TB's last conversion was a good example of things going wrong... He didn't blame anyone who had worked on it with him and accepted it was one of those things. :y
Of course, in the nicest possible way, you are a very new member at present and I don't know you from Adam so I'm being slightly careful how I'm wording this so you don't take it the wrong way... I'm not currently offering to help you out (apart from anything else, I couldn't with my back as it is ;)) but it isn't an impossibility :y Either way, it will cost you money for hands on help... Whether it is expenses or professional help ;)
Have a good read of the guides... It's not that hard ;)
I totally agree and understand mate, not a problem :y :y
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Not sure how correct a thought this is, but us it wise to go bigger than 80ltr tank without self levelling? Which we have obviously? But not in your mv6. Does that make any odds or are you thinking if binning sl shocks?
The thought had crossed my mind.
Kevin Wood has a 90l doesn't he? Or did I make that bit up.
Elite suspension - no decision made yet...
Yes, you made it up ::) I've got the 90L.
My vote would always be for the 80L tank as it just seems to go in so well... I had to drill new holes in the frame to mount mine and even after over an hour of measuring didn't manage to get them all in the right places :-X
I had to ovalise TB's a bit to get the frame to line up. But what he doesn't know won't hurt him. :-X. :D
Eh? What? When? >:(
Bloody cowboys :P
;D
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Sooo reading between the lines, is there someone who's up to fitting lpg for me, :-? me helping/making coffee etc etc and getting in the way :o ;D
Cheers
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In short... No! If I agreed to fit it for you then we would be talking about an exchange of beer tokens and an agreement where I would accept responsibility for the car and work carried out.
What may be possible is help fitting a kit. Yours is a 4 pot, which is what I wrote the full guide on in the maintenance section (that reminds me, I must do the V6 one :-[ ::)) and it is actually fairly simple... If you can service it, clean the throttle bodies and do the general maintenance you are capable of fitting LPG :y
If, for example (and this isn't an offer at the moment ::)), I were to come up and help you out I would be looking for expenses only... Fuel, B&B (quite happy with a spare bed in your home), all the tea and bacon butties I can manage and perhaps a Curry & beer evening (not necessarily part of the expenses but a good night out ;)) :y
You would also have to accept full responsibility for any work carried out, as did Tunnie when I helped him and as did TB when he was helped. TB's last conversion was a good example of things going wrong... He didn't blame anyone who had worked on it with him and accepted it was one of those things. :y
Of course, in the nicest possible way, you are a very new member at present and I don't know you from Adam so I'm being slightly careful how I'm wording this so you don't take it the wrong way... I'm not currently offering to help you out (apart from anything else, I couldn't with my back as it is ;)) but it isn't an impossibility :y Either way, it will cost you money for hands on help... Whether it is expenses or professional help ;)
Have a good read of the guides... It's not that hard ;)
I totally agree and understand mate, not a problem :y :y
Glad you took it as it was meant :y
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I think he's out of the country at the moment >:( >:( >:(
I'll have another go tomorrow
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Btw, looks like I may go with a cylinde this time.
I,m sure I found an upright donut with no hole in the middle, but I'm buggered if I can find it again.
Would have given 65 litres or there abouts.
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And thanks for trying obviously :-*
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I,m sure I found an upright donut with no hole in the middle, but I'm buggered if I can find it again.
Hmm.. I can't find them either - the filled toroidals all say "must be mounted horizontally"..
Although in my searching guess where I ended up? Yes, back at OOF: http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258818437/6 ;D ;D
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I,m sure I found an upright donut with no hole in the middle, but I'm buggered if I can find it again.
Hmm.. I can't find them either - the filled toroidals all say "must be mounted horizontally"..
Although in my searching guess where I ended up? Yes, back at OOF: http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258818437/6 ;D ;D
Yeah, ya know you wont find it when that happens, although I did find a flip number plate eventually, all roads seemed to lead to OOF on that search as well. My own posts mostly ;D
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Btw, looks like I may go with a cylinde this time.
I,m sure I found an upright donut with no hole in the middle, but I'm buggered if I can find it again.
Would have given 65 litres or there abouts.
TBH, in a saloon it's the best option IMO... OK, you lose that boot space but how often do you have the boot of the car full? I would say that roof bars and a box for those odd occasions would be more economical (if you take into account lost time constantly filling up at 200 miles instead of 300 ::)) than a Vertical Toroidal.
I must admit, I've never heard of or seen Vertical Full Toroidals... In fact, I don't think I've even seen a 4-hole Vertical tank.
And thanks for trying obviously
That's no problem... Gives me something to do ::) ::)
Not convinced I'll be able to get an answer this week as I got the international ring tone when I called him. ::)
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Right, some progress! He is out of the country this week but we should be chatting next week. He also has a new vaporiser and injector set that may be more suitable, although the vaporiser will be close to its limit so would be best suited to 4 hole tanks. I may well be getting a set to trial ;)
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Right, some progress! He is out of the country this week but we should be chatting next week. He also has a new vaporiser and injector set that may be more suitable, although the vaporiser will be close to its limit so would be best suited to 4 hole tanks. I may well be getting a set to trial ;)
When you do get in touch, can you drop in the question about certification - can he offer it yet, etc?
Cheers,
Kevin
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Right, some progress! He is out of the country this week but we should be chatting next week. He also has a new vaporiser and injector set that may be more suitable, although the vaporiser will be close to its limit so would be best suited to 4 hole tanks. I may well be getting a set to trial ;)
When you do get in touch, can you drop in the question about certification - can he offer it yet, etc?
Cheers,
Kevin
It's on the list... Still got to get mine done :-X
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Right, some progress! He is out of the country this week but we should be chatting next week. He also has a new vaporiser and injector set that may be more suitable, although the vaporiser will be close to its limit so would be best suited to 4 hole tanks. I may well be getting a set to trial ;)
:y
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Some thoughts while we wait.
Re LPG set ups generally, why is there no return fuel line as on a petrol set up? Gas temp I guess? Or something to regulate fuel pressure spikes? Such as those seen when throttling off from Wot...? If I've understood some of the data logs correctly that is.
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Some thoughts while we wait.
Re LPG set ups generally, why is there no return fuel line as on a petrol set up? Gas temp I guess? Or something to regulate fuel pressure spikes? Such as those seen when throttling off from Wot...? If I've understood some of the data logs correctly that is.
Gas in tank is 6-8 BAR. Once you've dropped it to 1 bar it's tricky to return it to the tank. ;)
There are returnless petrol injection setups these days too. Works OK if the ECU is compensating for fuel pressure (as it does on an LPG system). :y
Kevin
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Some thoughts while we wait.
Re LPG set ups generally, why is there no return fuel line as on a petrol set up? Gas temp I guess? Or something to regulate fuel pressure spikes? Such as those seen when throttling off from Wot...? If I've understood some of the data logs correctly that is.
Gas in tank is 6-8 BAR. Once you've dropped it to 1 bar it's tricky to return it to the tank. ;)
There are returnless petrol injection setups these days too. Works OK if the ECU is compensating for fuel pressure (as it does on an LPG system). :y
Kevin
Theres an omega for sale/sold on here with LPG, pic under the bonnet shows some extra piping to what you thought mite be a pressure relief valve or similar...? Worth persuing?
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This one, gizmo by the bonnet switch...?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1290791269
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This one, gizmo by the bonnet switch...?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1290791269
I would have thought that was a MAP sensor like ours has, just slightly bigger ;)
Must confess, I was seriously tempted by that car but did think that the conversion looks a little untidy, with pipework everywhere :-/ :-/
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This one, gizmo by the bonnet switch...?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1290791269
I would have thought that was a MAP sensor like ours has, just slightly bigger ;)
Must confess, I was seriously tempted by that car but did think that the conversion looks a little untidy, with pipework everywhere :-/ :-/
Indeed. It's the MAP/Vapour pressure sensor. Looks like it started off a nice neat install and then they just chucked rubber hoses at it. Maybe they were running out of time?
Could easily be tidied up, though.
Kevin
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Right... Just spoken with Teilo briefly and will be chatting again later today/tomorrow.
For a V6, Stag 300 Plus front end kit should come in (and this is an estimate at the moment so not a firm figure until we finalise the kit contents) at no more than £350+VAT. This price may vary slightly for reasons I will go into in a minute. That will be a complete front end kit for a V6.
He has changed both the reducer and the injectors supplied with the kit now for more stable models.
The standard reducer will be operating pretty much at its limit (around 230bhp with a 4 hole tank) so we may have to use double reducers (like the OMVL R90e I think, although that's for a mixer system) for better stability. These are, obviously, a little more expensive but should still stay close to the £350 for the whole front end kit. Trouble is, they aren't in stock yet and will be a few weeks.
Injector wise, they're still 3ohm injectors like the red Valtek ones most of us have but flow better. He says that if we're running 3mm injectors on the Valtek then 2.5mm on these new ones will be OK. Hopefully I'm going to get hold of a set to try out as a replacement for mine but without changing the Vap... Perhaps we'll be able to have a look at the Hants meet ;)
So... Tank options. I would recommend 4 hole tanks in light of what has been said about the vaporiser, although I will mention the High Flow Multivalves to him and see what he says. 80L cylinder is the best fit for a saloon boot, if you can spare the space. If it must be a vertical toroidal then, being single hole, I think you'll need the double reducer. For estates, there are 4 hole, full toroidal tanks on the market :y
4 hole tanks are slightly more expensive than single hole models, but we aren't talking megabucks here... Probably around £40-50.
More information will follow :y :y
Incidentally, he has converted a V6 Omega (although I didn't check on engine size) with both the old kit and the new kit. They managed to tune it out and get it running fine on both :-? :-? Perhaps it was a 2.6/2.6, which I know makes a big difference as Johnnycboy's Albs' one runs fine with a set up that wouldn't on my 3.0
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i use an omvl r90e and a 100l tank on mine, as the space you save with 80l tank is'nt worth it. :y
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i use an omvl r90e and a 100l tank on mine, as the space you save with 80l tank is'nt worth it. :y
The thinking with the 80L is that we know they fit nice and easy... I've got a 90L, which is the same diameter as your 100L but same length as the 80L and it was a bit of a PITA to fit. Also, without S/L suspension there are some concerns over the extra weight
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i use an omvl r90e and a 100l tank on mine, as the space you save with 80l tank is'nt worth it. :y
The thinking with the 80L is that we know they fit nice and easy... I've got a 90L, which is the same diameter as your 100L but same length as the 80L and it was a bit of a PITA to fit. Also, without S/L suspension there are some concerns over the extra weight
How much agro are we talking for a 90 litre? I presume removing the Bose shelf etc?
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i use an omvl r90e and a 100l tank on mine, as the space you save with 80l tank is'nt worth it. :y
The thinking with the 80L is that we know they fit nice and easy... I've got a 90L, which is the same diameter as your 100L but same length as the 80L and it was a bit of a PITA to fit. Also, without S/L suspension there are some concerns over the extra weight
How much agro are we talking for a 90 litre? I presume removing the Bose shelf etc?
If going for a 90L I'd probably say you may as well have a 100L. It would be the same diameter, just the full width between the turrets.
For ease... Remove Bose shelf etc, then not too bad. You'll probably have to drill new mounting holes in the frame too (which I had to) as the ones pre-drilled will be in the wrong place to fall nicely underneath. You'll see what I mean at the meet if you want, you can have a quick eyeball under mine (90L)
If you go 90/100L you will lose the ability to "through load" altogether (unless it's something very flexible ::)) whereas ISTR that the 80L Kevin has leaves a little space to load through :y
[edit]Should also add that there's a little "void" between the seat backs and the tank, which I find a useful spot to keep some odds and sods like spare crank sensor etc :y[/edit]
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All sounds good there LD! Though I think I'd definitely be going for a double reducer - I don't like the idea of running things with very little headroom, but that could just be me being overly cautious :)
So... Tank options. I would recommend 4 hole tanks in light of what has been said about the vaporiser, although I will mention the High Flow Multivalves to him and see what he says. 80L cylinder is the best fit for a saloon boot, if you can spare the space. If it must be a vertical toroidal then, being single hole, I think you'll need the double reducer. For estates, there are 4 hole, full toroidal tanks on the market :y
That bit is good news indeed ;)
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All sounds good there LD! Though I think I'd definitely be going for a double reducer - I don't like the idea of running things with very little headroom, but that could just be me being overly cautious :)
So... Tank options. I would recommend 4 hole tanks in light of what has been said about the vaporiser, although I will mention the High Flow Multivalves to him and see what he says. 80L cylinder is the best fit for a saloon boot, if you can spare the space. If it must be a vertical toroidal then, being single hole, I think you'll need the double reducer. For estates, there are 4 hole, full toroidal tanks on the market :y
That bit is good news indeed ;)
Yep, you're being a bit overcautious ;) If it's proven to be sufficient then it'll be fine. Bearing in mind the 3.2 was 217bhp when new, you've probably lost a few anyway unless you've tuned it ;)
I know about the Estate tank options because I was am looking for a good example at the right price (and have been for about 2 years ::)) with a view to converting. The only issue with estates is the range, unless you're willing to raise the boot floor by up to 50mm (easily done with some baton and ply) I think the biggest tank that'll fit is about 55L :-/
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If you go 90/100L you will lose the ability to "through load" altogether (unless it's something very flexible ::)) whereas ISTR that the 80L Kevin has leaves a little space to load through :y
Yep, and useful it is too, I find. At least I can still buy bits of wood and pipe, etc. and load them. :y
Kevin
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Yep, you're being a bit overcautious ;) If it's proven to be sufficient then it'll be fine. Bearing in mind the 3.2 was 217bhp when new, you've probably lost a few anyway unless you've tuned it ;)
True enough - I'm more used to tuning forced induction systems where the last thing you want is to run out of fuel and have detonation beat a big hole in a cylinder crown ;D
I know about the Estate tank options because I was am looking for a good example at the right price (and have been for about 2 years ::)) with a view to converting. The only issue with estates is the range, unless you're willing to raise the boot floor by up to 50mm (easily done with some baton and ply) I think the biggest tank that'll fit is about 55L :-/
I only do about 120 miles a week to work/back so range isn't much of an issue - if I was doing anything long distance (like down to the folks & back) I'd assume I'd be on petrol anyway as you can bet I wouldn't have the foresight to find out where sells LPG down there ;D
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Yep, you're being a bit overcautious ;) If it's proven to be sufficient then it'll be fine. Bearing in mind the 3.2 was 217bhp when new, you've probably lost a few anyway unless you've tuned it ;)
True enough - I'm more used to tuning forced induction systems where the last thing you want is to run out of fuel and have detonation beat a big hole in a cylinder crown ;D
I know about the Estate tank options because I was am looking for a good example at the right price (and have been for about 2 years ::)) with a view to converting. The only issue with estates is the range, unless you're willing to raise the boot floor by up to 50mm (easily done with some baton and ply) I think the biggest tank that'll fit is about 55L :-/
I only do about 120 miles a week to work/back so range isn't much of an issue - if I was doing anything long distance (like down to the folks & back) I'd assume I'd be on petrol anyway as you can bet I wouldn't have the foresight to find out where sells LPG down there ;D
With the fuelling, you can set the stag software to switch automatically to petrol at a defined RPM if you need to ;) It's a seamless switch both to and from so you don't really notice
As for finding LPG stations... You soon get used to it ;) After you realise you're saving somewhere in the region of 10p per mile it becomes a big sin to burn petrol ;D ;D There is a POI file available free from Autogas for most types of standalone satnav which, although it's only Autogas sites (predominantly Shell), is very good and quite accurate :y
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As for finding LPG stations... You soon get used to it ;) After you realise you're saving somewhere in the region of 10p per mile it becomes a big sin to burn petrol ;D ;D There is a POI file available free from Autogas for most types of standalone satnav which, although it's only Autogas sites (predominantly Shell), is very good and quite accurate :y
;D I'll always have the other car to get into if I want to be truly wasteful anyway .. at certain points in the map on full throttle, it still spits neat petrol out of the exhaust :-[ (I really should sort that out! Too much valve overlap I think)
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As for finding LPG stations... You soon get used to it ;) After you realise you're saving somewhere in the region of 10p per mile it becomes a big sin to burn petrol ;D ;D There is a POI file available free from Autogas for most types of standalone satnav which, although it's only Autogas sites (predominantly Shell), is very good and quite accurate :y
;D I'll always have the other car to get into if I want to be truly wasteful anyway .. at certain points in the map on full throttle, it still spits neat petrol out of the exhaust :-[ (I really should sort that out! Too much valve overlap I think)
Must design that fuel scoop for the front of my car ::) ::) :D :D
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Just got off the phone to Teilo.
I should have prices for a couple of Front End Options (Stag300plus and Premium) by tomorrow. He is basically doing us a "Bulk Buy" deal as I know that there is potential for 3 kits in the very near future with another 2 or more within the next few months. I've also asked for a price for 4 pot kits as well as I know there are some 4 pot owners who are tempted too :y
Tank wise, he is happy to help sourcing them for people but he isn't currently holding any in stock so it would be drop shipped from his supplier. This gives each person the ability to shop around for tanks which best suit their needs should they so wish. He's hoping to get some high output multivalves in again soon (there was an issue with some of them previously which is why he currently doesn't stock them) which would remove the need for a 4 hole tank, saving a few quid :y
Certification... From mid March (hopefully) he should be registered with UKLPG to inspect and certify installations. Currently he recommends (and is himself when he converts cars) booking into an installer local to him.
Once I have some prices I will post them in a separate thread which (hopefully) one of the Admins will deem suitable as either a sticky or an addition to the guides. Contact details will still, however, be via PM on request to enable us to maintain our discount :y
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Sounds good to me!
Tank wise, I can't speak for anyone else - but if he can get hold of full toroidal (I guess.. 'flat spheres' really ;D) tanks then I'd rather source through him - since I haven't been able to find any full toroidal lay-flat tanks on-line anywhere, only upright.
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Sounds good to me!
Tank wise, I can't speak for anyone else - but if he can get hold of full toroidal (I guess.. 'flat spheres' really ;D) tanks then I'd rather source through him - since I haven't been able to find any full toroidal lay-flat tanks on-line anywhere, only upright.
This sort of thing?
http://stako.com/index.php?id=product&prod=7&kat=1&alias=F14L&lang=en
Kevin
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Sounds good to me!
Tank wise, I can't speak for anyone else - but if he can get hold of full toroidal (I guess.. 'flat spheres' really ;D) tanks then I'd rather source through him - since I haven't been able to find any full toroidal lay-flat tanks on-line anywhere, only upright.
You're not looking hard enough ;) ;) Vertical ones are normally harder to find :D :D
I assume you have an Estate then?
Tinley Tech do single hole and I'm sure could order a 4 hole
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Sounds good to me!
Tank wise, I can't speak for anyone else - but if he can get hold of full toroidal (I guess.. 'flat spheres' really ;D) tanks then I'd rather source through him - since I haven't been able to find any full toroidal lay-flat tanks on-line anywhere, only upright.
This sort of thing?
http://stako.com/index.php?id=product&prod=7&kat=1&alias=F14L&lang=en
Kevin
Yeah just like that!
Now why couldn't I find those last time I looked .. :-/
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Internal valve and external brackets aside, any reason why that would not work in upright form?
I guess they don't make the valves anyway? For some reason?
... And the valve plate would have to be welded on the other way up.
Ringing Tinley tech re tanks today, re tank options.
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Internal valve and external brackets aside, any reason why that would not work in upright form?
I guess they don't make the valves anyway? For some reason?
... And the valve plate would have to be welded on the other way up.
Ringing Tinley tech re tanks today, re tank options.
I find Tinley can sometimes be very expensive. Think I'd be doing a lot of research before buying ;)
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Looking forward to the price for the fourpots, nice work LD we all do appreciate it :y
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Internal valve and external brackets aside, any reason why that would not work in upright form?
I guess they don't make the valves anyway? For some reason?
... And the valve plate would have to be welded on the other way up.
Ringing Tinley tech re tanks today, re tank options.
I find Tinley can sometimes be very expensive. Think I'd be doing a lot of research before buying ;)
tinley were good on prices for tanks, but not for front end kits :y
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Internal valve and external brackets aside, any reason why that would not work in upright form?
I guess they don't make the valves anyway? For some reason?
... And the valve plate would have to be welded on the other way up.
Ringing Tinley tech re tanks today, re tank options.
I find Tinley can sometimes be very expensive. Think I'd be doing a lot of research before buying ;)
That(research) is the reason for the call, im guessing if they can't get it nobody can?
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Nope, no such thing in upright form. And bloke was in a strop for some reason. Maybe I'll try later when he's in a better mood :-/
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Internal valve and external brackets aside, any reason why that would not work in upright form?
Ah now I remember - I was googling for vertical full toroidals (no idea why, when I want a horizontal one ;D) and I couldn't find any..
But at the same time I couldn't work out why the LPG would really care which way 'up' it was, given the vertical & horizontal standard toroidals seem to be identical?
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Nope, no such thing in upright form. And bloke was in a strop for some reason. Maybe I'll try later when he's in a better mood :-/
Found that with them in the past too... Normally very good service from them I must admit, but occasionally :-X :-X
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Internal valve and external brackets aside, any reason why that would not work in upright form?
Ah now I remember - I was googling for vertical full toroidals (no idea why, when I want a horizontal one ;D) and I couldn't find any..
But at the same time I couldn't work out why the LPG would really care which way 'up' it was, given the vertical & horizontal standard toroidals seem to be identical?
It's to do with the valves and pickup pipe ;)
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Internal valve and external brackets aside, any reason why that would not work in upright form?
Ah now I remember - I was googling for vertical full toroidals (no idea why, when I want a horizontal one ;D) and I couldn't find any..
But at the same time I couldn't work out why the LPG would really care which way 'up' it was, given the vertical & horizontal standard toroidals seem to be identical?
It can only be the valves that differ significantly. The supply obviously needs a pickup from the lowest point in the tank, but that's just a bent bit of pipe with a finger filter on the end. The level gauge float assembly needs work, but that's a bent bit of coat hanger with a float on the end. Relief valve needs to draw vapour from above the 80% liquid level but that's a bent bit of rubber hose.
Mounting of the tank is different, of course. Maybe there's a structural difference in the construction due to that? Doubt it, though. :-/
Kevin
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Both good points .. I'll go back to my zero-gravity corner now where pickup pipes can be anywhere ;D
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If it wasn't for the external brackets I'd look into fiddling the internal gubbins to make the valve work at a different angle.
But as the brackets would have to be removed to fit the wheel well I can't see it passing inspection in modified form.
From memory the next vertical size up gave another 7 litres capacity from 48 to 55, which I was sqeezing in anyway on occasion. :-X so wonder if it's worth the bother and just fit a cylinder..... Aaaw but I want my boot space :'(
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If it wasn't for the external brackets I'd look into fiddling the internal gubbins to make the valve work at a different angle.
But as the brackets would have to be removed to fit the wheel well I can't see it passing inspection in modified form.
From memory the next vertical size up gave another 7 litres capacity from 48 to 55, which I was sqeezing in anyway on occasion. :-X so wonder if it's worth the bother and just fit a cylinder..... Aaaw but I want my boot space :'(
But how often do you really need to use it all? :-? :-?
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If it wasn't for the external brackets I'd look into fiddling the internal gubbins to make the valve work at a different angle.
But as the brackets would have to be removed to fit the wheel well I can't see it passing inspection in modified form.
From memory the next vertical size up gave another 7 litres capacity from 48 to 55, which I was sqeezing in anyway on occasion. :-X so wonder if it's worth the bother and just fit a cylinder..... Aaaw but I want my boot space :'(
What size is the spare on the saloon? I'm assuming it's full-size like the Estate? Ok, I'm assuming the Estate is full size since I haven't really paid attention when I've opened the cover!
If so.. you should at least be able to get a 630x250 tank in there? 54L in toroidal form or 66L in four-hole full toroidal form..
Probably easier to fit a thicker tank in the saloon, too, given you're not trying to sit it 'in' a wheel well?
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If it wasn't for the external brackets I'd look into fiddling the internal gubbins to make the valve work at a different angle.
But as the brackets would have to be removed to fit the wheel well I can't see it passing inspection in modified form.
From memory the next vertical size up gave another 7 litres capacity from 48 to 55, which I was sqeezing in anyway on occasion. :-X so wonder if it's worth the bother and just fit a cylinder..... Aaaw but I want my boot space :'(
What size is the spare on the saloon? I'm assuming it's full-size like the Estate? Ok, I'm assuming the Estate is full size since I haven't really paid attention when I've opened the cover!
If so.. you should at least be able to get a 630x250 tank in there? 54L in toroidal form or 66L in four-hole full toroidal form..
Probably easier to fit a thicker tank in the saloon, too, given you're not trying to sit it 'in' a wheel well?
On the contrary... Easier to fit a thicker tank in the estate as you have space to raise the floor... In a saloon it has to angle and drop into the spare well which, TBH, is less than ideal ;)
Oh... And IIRCC I worked out you could fit a 650x220(200?) with no modifications (other than removing the centre upright in the wheel well is there is one) and then, obviously, thicker if you wish, raising the floor to compensate. :y
I looked at many options, including cutting out the bottom of the wheel well to make more room, although this seemed too much work for the sake of an extra 15mm or so :-/
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Not as often as I thought tbh, but often enough, we go away a fair bit, and two bikes in the boot is just about doable, I hate racks. Through space for step ladders and diy stuff is major plus for the car IMO.
Buy as you rightly say filling up more often is a pita week to week.
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Not as often as I thought tbh, but often enough, we go away a fair bit, and two bikes in the boot is just about doable, I hate racks. Through space for step ladders and diy stuff is major plus for the car IMO.
Buy as you rightly say filling up more often is a pita week to week.
Either roof bars or a tow bar mounted rack I reckon ::) ::)
Or... And just thinking aloud here... If you took the wheels off would the bikes fit in the back? Not ideal I know but a solution none the less
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If it wasn't for the external brackets I'd look into fiddling the internal gubbins to make the valve work at a different angle.
But as the brackets would have to be removed to fit the wheel well I can't see it passing inspection in modified form.
From memory the next vertical size up gave another 7 litres capacity from 48 to 55, which I was sqeezing in anyway on occasion. :-X so wonder if it's worth the bother and just fit a cylinder..... Aaaw but I want my boot space :'(
What size is the spare on the saloon? I'm assuming it's full-size like the Estate? Ok, I'm assuming the Estate is full size since I haven't really paid attention when I've opened the cover!
If so.. you should at least be able to get a 630x250 tank in there? 54L in toroidal form or 66L in four-hole full toroidal form..
Probably easier to fit a thicker tank in the saloon, too, given you're not trying to sit it 'in' a wheel well?
Spare is 185 wide iirc, but my previous upright was 60 litre, and it was touch and go on width, might have gone 10mill wider in the void, but as LD says on the saloon the tank has to be laid on the boot floor on it's side, slid to the left, then tipped up into the wheel well without hitting the roof of the wing before it drops down and in. It may take taller/bigger diameter too, but the for and aft measurement becomes critical then once in place as the rear of the well is vertical where the light cluster fits etc...
Really need to arrange a fitting session with Tinley and see what will physically go in, shame he's in a grump.
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Not as often as I thought tbh, but often enough, we go away a fair bit, and two bikes in the boot is just about doable, I hate racks. Through space for step ladders and diy stuff is major plus for the car IMO.
Buy as you rightly say filling up more often is a pita week to week.
Either roof bars or a tow bar mounted rack I reckon ::) ::)
Or... And just thinking aloud here... If you took the wheels off would the bikes fit in the back? Not ideal I know but a solution none the less
Not with a cylinder. Two bikes with font wheels removed will just fit with seats down.
Plus there is no way I'm leaving 2k worth of mountain bikes on the outside of the car.
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but as LD says on the saloon the tank has to be laid on the boot floor on it's side, slid to the left, then tipped up into the wheel well without hitting the roof of the wing before it drops down and in.
Ahh yes.. I'd forgotten that (I mean, I've only seen photographs :)) - makes sense, then, and makes you just as constricted (or, as LD says, more so as to do the equivalent of raising the floor would require fabricating a deeper wheel well - assuming there's nothing underfloor to obstruct it)
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Plus there is no way I'm leaving 2k worth of mountain bikes on the outside of the car.
Buy cheaper bikes? I've got a rusty old Raleigh you can have for a tenner! ;D
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Not as often as I thought tbh, but often enough, we go away a fair bit, and two bikes in the boot is just about doable, I hate racks. Through space for step ladders and diy stuff is major plus for the car IMO.
Buy as you rightly say filling up more often is a pita week to week.
Either roof bars or a tow bar mounted rack I reckon ::) ::)
Or... And just thinking aloud here... If you took the wheels off would the bikes fit in the back? Not ideal I know but a solution none the less
Not with a cylinder. Two bikes with font wheels removed will just fit with seats down.
Plus there is no way I'm leaving 2k worth of mountain bikes on the outside of the car.
Ahh... Understood ;)
Oh... And the spare should be 195 wide IIRCC
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but as LD says on the saloon the tank has to be laid on the boot floor on it's side, slid to the left, then tipped up into the wheel well without hitting the roof of the wing before it drops down and in.
Ahh yes.. I'd forgotten that (I mean, I've only seen photographs :)) - makes sense, then, and makes you just as constricted (or, as LD says, more so as to do the equivalent of raising the floor would require fabricating a deeper wheel well - assuming there's nothing underfloor to obstruct it)
Did think about fitting a trap door for tail gating beemers!
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but as LD says on the saloon the tank has to be laid on the boot floor on it's side, slid to the left, then tipped up into the wheel well without hitting the roof of the wing before it drops down and in.
Ahh yes.. I'd forgotten that (I mean, I've only seen photographs :)) - makes sense, then, and makes you just as constricted (or, as LD says, more so as to do the equivalent of raising the floor would require fabricating a deeper wheel well - assuming there's nothing underfloor to obstruct it)
Did think about fitting a trap door for tail gating beemers!
;D ;D Have you seen (the remake of) Death Race?
"Drop the napalm!"
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Like chrisgixer, I didn't want to lose bootspace, which is why I never fitted the LPG earlier....
...but when it came to it, I needed the bootspace 2 or 3 times a year, and for those 2 or 3 times a year, I could slap on one of those gay pikey roofboxes.
Hence, the MV6 has an 80l, and the elite will have one too... ...or a 90l... ...or a 100l.... ::)
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Cost of roofbox needs to be considered in the maths though.
I think I paid around £110 for the 320l Karrite (the cheap brand of Thule (pronounce Toole, if you're ringin around :-[)), and a big hairy scotsman gave me a set of genuine GM bars :y
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Cost of roofbox needs to be considered in the maths though.
I think I paid around £110 for the 320l Karrite (the cheap brand of Thule (pronounce Toole, if you're ringin around :-[)), and a big hairy scotsman gave me a set of genuine GM bars :y
Who was that then?? :P ;D
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j298/hotel21/avatar/BroocieBraveheart5.jpg)
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That pic never fails to crack me up ;D ;D ;D
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Cost of roofbox needs to be considered in the maths though.
I think I paid around £110 for the 320l Karrite (the cheap brand of Thule (pronounce Toole, if you're ringin around :-[)), and a big hairy scotsman gave me a set of genuine GM bars :y
Who was that then?? :P ;D
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j298/hotel21/avatar/BroocieBraveheart5.jpg)
Yup, and I'm still scared after that encounter ;D
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Cost of roofbox needs to be considered in the maths though.
I think I paid around £110 for the 320l Karrite (the cheap brand of Thule (pronounce Toole, if you're ringin around :-[)), and a big hairy scotsman gave me a set of genuine GM bars :y
Who was that then?? :P ;D
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j298/hotel21/avatar/BroocieBraveheart5.jpg)
Yup, and I'm still scared after that encounter ;D
Aye, but you now know how to make the car swap ends at speed whilst being in (relative) control.
Might come in handy one day...... ;D
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Aye, but you now know how to make the car swap ends at speed whilst being in (relative) control.
Might come in handy one day...... ;D
Very true, and great fun :y :y :y
Though oddly, I've found little use for it on the public highway ::)
I believe tunnie learnt the opposite stunt in his Senator... ...only he was going forwards and ended up going backwards... ...with a WTF look on his face ;D
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Aye, but you now know how to make the car swap ends at speed whilst being in (relative) control.
Might come in handy one day...... ;D
Very true, and great fun :y :y :y
Though oddly, I've found little use for it on the public highway ::)
I believe tunnie learnt the opposite stunt in his Senator... ...only he was going forwards and ended up going backwards... ...with a WTF look on his face ;D
:-[ :-[
It was the night I brought Max V6's Elite over from Oxford to Brackley, on the way back, super wet road, had an excellent drift of the top of the M40 round-about, really felt that LSD kicking in, and had it seriously sideways :o
Got a bit too cocky with the power on my next attempt, 720 spin :o :o
Luckily leather can be wiped clean ;D
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Chris I've been trying to sort out a torrodial lpg tank for my estate as I'm waiting for a front end kit via Lazydocker's contact,been useing Kevin's link (reply156) and was surprised to find what I think you were looking for ie a vertical mounted torrodial tank it's 'Product range No is V12' on the website hope this info helps. I'm wanting one for the spare wheel well and thinking of raising the floor useing a fairly dense polystyrene to gain more capacity :y
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I don't think that's a 'full' toroidal - it's a standard toroidal with a plate secured over the hole in the center (according to the technical data there, anyway)
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Chris I've been trying to sort out a torrodial lpg tank for my estate as I'm waiting for a front end kit via Lazydocker's contact,been useing Kevin's link (reply156) and was surprised to find what I think you were looking for ie a vertical mounted torrodial tank it's 'Product range No is V12' on the website hope this info helps. I'm wanting one for the spare wheel well and thinking of raising the floor useing a fairly dense polystyrene to gain more capacity :y
If you need anyone to help watch/get in the way n ask loads of questions :D while u fit the lpg, then pls let me know :y
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Full toroidal has no hole in the middle and the valve plate on the outer edge. Thes are common in horizontal form for the estate, but not in upright form for the omega saloon.
Apparently most saloons have a floor mounted spare, as the omega Estate. Which is dam inconvenient, but there you go.
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Chris I've been trying to sort out a torrodial lpg tank for my estate as I'm waiting for a front end kit via Lazydocker's contact,been useing Kevin's link (reply156) and was surprised to find what I think you were looking for ie a vertical mounted torrodial tank it's 'Product range No is V12' on the website hope this info helps. I'm wanting one for the spare wheel well and thinking of raising the floor useing a fairly dense polystyrene to gain more capacity :y
My plan was to make a full size "platform" from ply wood and baton, then carpet it so it could be lifted in and out if required. Would have thought polystyrene would break up over time :-/ :-/
Not had an email with prices but, to be fair, the kit is vehicle specific as I have specified a few things that aren't normally in his kits and I know he had to check a few suppliers for the reducers to give a couple of options :y :y I'll be calling him tomorrow as Monday is always a nightmare for him ::)
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Don't forget access to the tank for emergency shut off , inspection etc.
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Don't forget access to the tank for emergency shut off , inspection etc.
Hence the lift out platform ;) ;)
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Don't forget access to the tank for emergency shut off , inspection etc.
Hence the lift out platform ;) ;)
Yes I know YOU know, you know.... :D ;)
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Chris go to Kevins link on the L/H is Products click on 'LPG systems' then on R/H is 'vertical torrodial' aand hopefully your there a vertical with bracket and centre plate Its No is 'V12' sorry to be floundering not very good at this but trying my best :y
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The polestyrene should be OK with a pvc skin bonded on I plan to top it with the original floor panel doing it this way I thought it would be fairly 'anti drum/sound deadening and lightweight too :y
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Hmm just realised that very good access could be arranged useing the same access as the spare wheel door in the floor panel :y
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Chris go to Kevins link on the L/H is Products click on 'LPG systems' then on R/H is 'vertical torrodial' aand hopefully your there a vertical with bracket and centre plate Its No is 'V12' sorry to be floundering not very good at this but trying my best :y
This one?
http://stako.com/index.php?id=menu&kat=1&lang=en#fragment-4
Has hole in the middle, that's a service hatch in the middle that unscrews. ;)
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Chris go to Kevins link on the L/H is Products click on 'LPG systems' then on R/H is 'vertical torrodial' aand hopefully your there a vertical with bracket and centre plate Its No is 'V12' sorry to be floundering not very good at this but trying my best :y
This one?
http://stako.com/index.php?id=menu&kat=1&lang=en#fragment-4
Has hole in the middle, that's a service hatch in the middle that unscrews. ;)
I'm sure that's what I said a page ago... nobody listens to me.. I'm ju*voice trails off, sniffles in the distance* ;D ;D ;D
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I was hoping for something like this
http://stako.com/index.php?id=product&prod=12&kat=1&alias=G14&lang=en
It has no center hole and no brackets which would make it suitable, but the 4 hole plate will be the wrong way up when the tank is positioned vertically. :'(
Plus it needs to be in a size that fits of course.
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I was hoping for something like this
http://stako.com/index.php?id=product&prod=12&kat=1&alias=G14&lang=en
It has no center hole and no brackets which would make it suitable, but the 4 hole plate will be the wrong way up when the tank is positioned vertically. :'(
Plus it needs to be in a size that fits of course.
If this fits, which I don't think it will
G65007714 650x270 77tank size giving 61.6litre capacity 34.5 606 E20-67R-010570
61 litres is still pants range. But if the valve can be fiddled to not click off it could take almost 70 litres. :-X
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Ah well, :-[Sorry I'm sure on a learning curve with this lpg, and at my age, :'(still it keeps life interesting, thought I'd found a problem solver for you for a change, :(never mind better luck next time :y
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Ah well, :-[Sorry I'm sure on a learning curve with this lpg, and at my age, :'(still it keeps life interesting, thought I'd found a problem solver for you for a change, :(never mind better luck next time :y
We're all learning here Cliffo, thanks for the thought though. :-* :)
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Right, whats the situation with these kits then. I'm getting anxious to make a start on the Elite. I was looking at taking the car on a trip in 5 weeks or so, but nice not to have to use petrol.
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Right, whats the situation with these kits then. I'm getting anxious to make a start on the Elite. I was looking at taking the car on a trip in 5 weeks or so, but nice not to have to use petrol.
Going by posts in the cam belt meet thread, LD is visiting Tilo just before the 26th to fit some trial parts for us fussy tinkers. I guess he'll have a verdict on the lag issue in farnborough. Then we can order if it works. Or order now and gamble? .... I guess? But yes my local petrol station is getting the arse with me crying on their forcourt.
:'(. ;D
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Right, whats the situation with these kits then. I'm getting anxious to make a start on the Elite. I was looking at taking the car on a trip in 5 weeks or so, but nice not to have to use petrol.
Going by posts in the cam belt meet thread, LD is visiting Tilo just before the 26th to fit some trial parts for us fussy tinkers. I guess he'll have a verdict on the lag issue in farnborough. Then we can order if it works. Or order now and gamble? .... I guess? But yes my local petrol station is getting the arse with me crying on their forcourt.
:'(. ;D
Not had a confirmed price back from him yet... It's not helped any by the fact that I have specified what we want in the kit so it's not his standard "off the shelf" one. I'll be chasing him tomorrow ;)
I'm planning to try and visit him on the Friday before Farnborough as he still thinks he can tune out the lag ::) Mind you, he's changed the injectors for a better flowing set and changed the Vaporiser for one that reacts more quickly :y
As a guide (and only a guide, NOT a confirmed price!), the V6 front end kit (comprehensive) plus 7/8m of Polyflex should be no more than about £350+VAT & Delivery.
Tank wise... He's willing to help source one but can't be overly competitive as it'll be drop shipped from another supplier. May still work out cheaper than Tinley, for example, but no guarantee it will be.
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All people waiting for LPG Kit Prices, please see this thread (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1297107439/0#0)
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I know I'm not "in the market" as it were for one of these .. but on behalf of all OOFers ... many thanks for the effort you have put in to get this deal sorted.
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Same here. sounds like a brilliant deal you managed to get LD.
It makes LPGing a v6 not only econimcally viable again, for lowish mileage drivers, but a no brainer for anyone whos competent with a spanner. :y :y
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LD - what injectors? What Vapouriser should I specify for my 3.2?
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the ones that dont make the engine bang like a sh1thouse door. :y :D ;D
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LD - what injectors? What Vapouriser should I specify for my 3.2?
Injectors are a newer, higher flowing type and standard. He also recommended drilling them smaller than we have been because of this.
Vaporiser wise... If he's got his Twin ones in then one of them, if not the OMVL. He should automatically send the correct one as long as you make him aware of the engine size. :y
I think he's done an average of the price for a 2.5/6 and 3.0/2 and charging the same across all of the V6's instead of having 3/4 different kit specifications.
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I know I'm not "in the market" as it were for one of these .. but on behalf of all OOFers ... many thanks for the effort you have put in to get this deal sorted.
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I know I'm not "in the market" as it were for one of these .. but on behalf of all OOFers ... many thanks for the effort you have put in to get this deal sorted.
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Gave me something to do while I was off sick ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
Thanks though Guys... Was beginning to give up on hearing back from him but he's having IT issues! The email finally came from one of his employees email account :o
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Good news, thanks for your efforts LD. :y
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To echo all that - thanks for all the legwork you've put in, LD!
Now the question is.. is that cost best spent LPGing the Omega, or putting aside for the future project (as soon as the garage is built, that means building a Cobra replica).. probably make the money back and more LPGing the Omega, come to think of it :)
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To echo all that - thanks for all the legwork you've put in, LD!
Now the question is.. is that cost best spent LPGing the Omega, or putting aside for the future project (as soon as the garage is built, that means building a Cobra replica).. probably make the money back and more LPGing the Omega, come to think of it :)
Only you can decide but, depending on your tank option and type of driving, you can pay back the outlay on a DIY kit in well under 10k miles, probably closer to 7k :y
To put it in perspective, I would say my outlay was £700 and I save 10p per mile (average). I have done over 50k since converting so have saved somewhere in the region of £5000 running it... That means, if you wanted to look at it in a positive view, that I'm in profit for the car ::) I like big cars and this one doesn't owe me a penny at all... Not the purchase or the maintenance :y :y
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I really must absolutely endorse all comments made,LD really has done myself proud and no doubt many other oof'ers, I hope to have Miggy's kit in the next few days,can I say a heartfelt thanks LD and mention to Daz and all not to worry the oof spirit lives on :y :y :y :y
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Not only does he get good prices, he's not bad with fitting either. approaching 20k after fitting, my LPG install has not missed a beat :y
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I really must absolutely endorse all comments made,LD really has done myself proud and no doubt many other oof'ers, I hope to have Miggy's kit in the next few days,can I say a heartfelt thanks LD and mention to Daz and all not to worry the oof spirit lives on :y :y :y :y
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Like I said, if you have problems getting hold of him, send me your details and I'll give him a nudge! I'm not a fan of his answering service, although it may have improved as I don't use that number any more :-X :-X
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To echo all that - thanks for all the legwork you've put in, LD!
Now the question is.. is that cost best spent LPGing the Omega, or putting aside for the future project (as soon as the garage is built, that means building a Cobra replica).. probably make the money back and more LPGing the Omega, come to think of it :)
Only you can decide but, depending on your tank option and type of driving, you can pay back the outlay on a DIY kit in well under 10k miles, probably closer to 7k :y
To put it in perspective, I would say my outlay was £700 and I save 10p per mile (average). I have done over 50k since converting so have saved somewhere in the region of £5000 running it... That means, if you wanted to look at it in a positive view, that I'm in profit for the car ::) I like big cars and this one doesn't owe me a penny at all... Not the purchase or the maintenance :y :y
You're right on all counts of course - I think I'll have a look at the LPG setups at the upcoming meet and most likely go for it at the start of next month :) I'm sure it'll pay itself back in no time given the price of petrol - in under a year, easily.
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To echo all that - thanks for all the legwork you've put in, LD!
Now the question is.. is that cost best spent LPGing the Omega, or putting aside for the future project (as soon as the garage is built, that means building a Cobra replica).. probably make the money back and more LPGing the Omega, come to think of it :)
Only you can decide but, depending on your tank option and type of driving, you can pay back the outlay on a DIY kit in well under 10k miles, probably closer to 7k :y
To put it in perspective, I would say my outlay was £700 and I save 10p per mile (average). I have done over 50k since converting so have saved somewhere in the region of £5000 running it... That means, if you wanted to look at it in a positive view, that I'm in profit for the car ::) I like big cars and this one doesn't owe me a penny at all... Not the purchase or the maintenance :y :y
You're right on all counts of course - I think I'll have a look at the LPG setups at the upcoming meet and most likely go for it at the start of next month :) I'm sure it'll pay itself back in no time given the price of petrol - in under a year, easily.
There'll be a few of them there ;) ;) I'll make sure I bring my Laptop so you can see the software etc too :y
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LD, you already should have my details,don't worry I'll keep trying and let you know within the hour of success :y
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LD, you already should have my details,don't worry I'll keep trying and let you know within the hour of success :y
I may well have done but have had quite a few PM's tonight so may have lost them ::) ::)
I know you're eager to get on with it which is why I said I'll nudge him for you :y IME, a call between 0900 and 1100 normally gets hold of him :y
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There'll be a few of them there ;) ;) I'll make sure I bring my Laptop so you can see the software etc too :y
Thanks, that would be most appreciated :)
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mmmmmm very tempting!
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Right... Another update! Seeing as I'm sat at home twiddling my thumbs, bored to tears, I decided to do some research on tank suppliers and prices.
I have just got off the phone to the main UK tank importer and he's going to knock up a deal for us. Again, this will be kept "under wraps" but the details will be available through me. At the moment he's just pricing a 100L cylinder for me as a guide price, both in 4 hole and single hole variety as he does a multivalve that runs 400+bhp cars with no problems...
Watch this space for an update :y :y
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Weren't the very high flow multivalves unreliable?
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That said, I asked Teilo, but no reply yet.
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Weren't the very high flow multivalves unreliable?
This guy is confident and the main importer for all things tank related :y
Incidentally, I'm pretty sure it's the same place Teilo tends to favour and it may be in our interest to cut out the middle man ;) ;)
Should know more tomorrow
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That said, I asked Teilo, but no reply yet.
You've managed to speak to him then?
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That said, I asked Teilo, but no reply yet.
You've managed to speak to him then?
Lol. Of course not. Msgs left, no reply. Resorted to email, though doubt he can read that
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Will the tank price be for entire back end, with filler, air tight box etc
So we buy front end from Teilo and rear from tank place and have a full kit, if you catch my drift ;)
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That said, I asked Teilo, but no reply yet.
You've managed to speak to him then?
Lol. Of course not. Msgs left, no reply. Resorted to email, though doubt he can read that
I don't trust the messaging service :-X :-X :-X
He did say at the start of the week that he was probably going to have to go to Italy towards the end of the week to sort out the Vaporisers so he may actually be away ::)
If you've had no joy by Monday evening let me know and I'll chase him up ;)
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We should know tank prices from your other place by then as well :y
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Will the tank price be for entire back end, with filler, air tight box etc
So we buy front end from Teilo and rear from tank place and have a full kit, if you catch my drift ;)
Exactly the plan... Will have to specify Filler type (straight/angled etc) when ordering the rear end kit ;)
Like I said, I'll know more tomorrow and can then start sorting that end out. I'll be in touch to get the "Kit" thread unlocked/added to with the new details. I'm wondering if it would be better placed in the maintenance section for better coverage as it's already disappearing rapidly :-/
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We should know tank prices from your other place by then as well :y
Only getting him to quote on a 100L at the moment as a comparison to other places, but yes. Unfortunately they were backing up the IT systems when I called this afternoon, otherwise I'd already have them :y
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We should know tank prices from your other place by then as well :y
Only getting him to quote on a 100L at the moment as a comparison to other places, but yes. Unfortunately they were backing up the IT systems when I called this afternoon, otherwise I'd already have them :y
930 x 400? ::)
Presumably my filler is angled? Sure it is, but its been a long time since I looked behind bumper ;D
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We should know tank prices from your other place by then as well :y
Only getting him to quote on a 100L at the moment as a comparison to other places, but yes. Unfortunately they were backing up the IT systems when I called this afternoon, otherwise I'd already have them :y
930 x 400? ::)
Presumably my filler is angled? Sure it is, but its been a long time since I looked behind bumper ;D
Will be... In fact, the only time I can see a straight filler being needed is for tow bar mounted fillers ;)
And yes, 400x930 specifically because I knew that was what you and CG were thinking of :y
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We should know tank prices from your other place by then as well :y
Only getting him to quote on a 100L at the moment as a comparison to other places, but yes. Unfortunately they were backing up the IT systems when I called this afternoon, otherwise I'd already have them :y
930 x 400? ::)
Presumably my filler is angled? Sure it is, but its been a long time since I looked behind bumper ;D
Will be... In fact, the only time I can see a straight filler being needed is for tow bar mounted fillers ;)
And yes, 400x930 specifically because I knew that was what you and CG were thinking of :y
You've persuaded the closet gay to get a cylinder :o
Must be the petrol prices he's stumping up for have turned him mad... ...sorry, even madder...
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We should know tank prices from your other place by then as well :y
Only getting him to quote on a 100L at the moment as a comparison to other places, but yes. Unfortunately they were backing up the IT systems when I called this afternoon, otherwise I'd already have them :y
930 x 400? ::)
Presumably my filler is angled? Sure it is, but its been a long time since I looked behind bumper ;D
Will be... In fact, the only time I can see a straight filler being needed is for tow bar mounted fillers ;)
And yes, 400x930 specifically because I knew that was what you and CG were thinking of :y
You've persuaded the closet gay to get a cylinder :o
Must be the petrol prices he's stumping up for have turned him mad... ...sorry, even madder...
Not yet and he may well swing the other way again :-X (pun intended! ::)) if the tank guy is confident of being able to do a vertical toroidal with a high enough flow ::) But I think he's seriously thinking about the extra range the 100L offers ;)
We do need to make up a template of the chassis rails though to ease the frame fitting :y
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We should know tank prices from your other place by then as well :y
Only getting him to quote on a 100L at the moment as a comparison to other places, but yes. Unfortunately they were backing up the IT systems when I called this afternoon, otherwise I'd already have them :y
930 x 400? ::)
Presumably my filler is angled? Sure it is, but its been a long time since I looked behind bumper ;D
Will be... In fact, the only time I can see a straight filler being needed is for tow bar mounted fillers ;)
And yes, 400x930 specifically because I knew that was what you and CG were thinking of :y
Tis angled, will have to be for ours. :y
Great work LD. Much appreciated. Can we confirm for certain 930x400 will defo fit somehow? Will travel....? Or have I missed that bit? :-/
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We should know tank prices from your other place by then as well :y
Only getting him to quote on a 100L at the moment as a comparison to other places, but yes. Unfortunately they were backing up the IT systems when I called this afternoon, otherwise I'd already have them :y
930 x 400? ::)
Presumably my filler is angled? Sure it is, but its been a long time since I looked behind bumper ;D
Will be... In fact, the only time I can see a straight filler being needed is for tow bar mounted fillers ;)
And yes, 400x930 specifically because I knew that was what you and CG were thinking of :y
Tis angled, will have to be for ours. :y
Great work LD. Much appreciated. Can we confirm for certain 930x400 will defo fit somehow? Will travel....? Or have I missed that bit? :-/
It'll fit... Sanssach confirmed :y :y
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I have a spare "front-end" kit if you want it. Yours for not much
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I need to chat with the tank people again on Monday... Got an email but was too late to do anything about it today as I had another meeting with HR at work ::)
At a glance they seem to be very competitive on single hole tanks but not so on 4 holes :-/
Leave it with me a little longer ;)
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I suppose everyone wants 4hole?
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I suppose everyone wants 4hole?
I'm going to call again on Monday... I'll try to speak with the boss again ;)
But he did mention that they do a multivalve which comfortably runs 4.4 Range Rovers ;)
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I run a multivalve on MV6. Teilo said it wasn't the new (at the time) very high flow, but was a higher than standard flow.
Doesn't appear to go lean at full chat, and I'm sure if it did, I would have killed the car by now ::)
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But I'm sure I read somewhere, might have been here, that the very high flow multivalves were unreliable...
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I run a multivalve on MV6. Teilo said it wasn't the new (at the time) very high flow, but was a higher than standard flow.
Doesn't appear to go lean at full chat, and I'm sure if it did, I would have killed the car by now ::)
Have you discussed your stalling problem with LD/KW ? Could that be multi valve related?
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I run a multivalve on MV6. Teilo said it wasn't the new (at the time) very high flow, but was a higher than standard flow.
Doesn't appear to go lean at full chat, and I'm sure if it did, I would have killed the car by now ::)
Have you discussed your stalling problem with LD/KW ? Could that be multi valve related?
Briefly with Mr Wood.
I'm putting it down to just driving like a 100% idiot :-[, though don't understand why it doesn't flick back to petrol if the gas pickup sucks air.
I did wonder if it was something with ICV, but then it'd happen on petrol.
This is a recent problem, and only started happening since popping new tyres on (and new front pads).
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This is a recent problem, and only started happening since popping new tyres on (and new front pads).
Why would that make any difference? Oh, silly me. ::)
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This is a recent problem, and only started happening since popping new tyres on (and new front pads).
Why would that make any difference? Oh, silly me. ::)
Yes come on Kev keep up! ;D
Wonder if the Fuel is thrown forward and flow is cut, solenoid is also affected under heavy braking and can't click over back to petrol? .... For instance? Sticking possibly? Could hear it click on Omega gay...?
Edited to make a bit more sense :-[ ;D
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This is a recent problem, and only started happening since popping new tyres on (and new front pads).
Why would that make any difference? Oh, silly me. ::)
Yes come on Kev keep up! ;D
Wonder if the Fuel is thrown forward and flow is cut, solenoid is also affected under heavy braking and can't click over back to petrol? .... For instance? Sticking possibly? Could hear it click on Omega gay...?
Edited to make a bit more sense :-[ ;D
But gas pressure sensor is in evap, so as soon as that drops, it should switch back to petrol, irrespective of what solenoids/pickups/whatever are doing.
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But gas pressure sensor is in evap, so as soon as that drops, it should switch back to petrol, irrespective of what solenoids/pickups/whatever are doing.
My guess - under heavy braking you're not going to be burning any (or much) fuel so the pressure will hold up regardless. Even if the vapouriser sucks air. Hoof it away and demand for fuel suddenly rockets. If there is air (vapour) in the line it won't keep up.
The problem I have is that I have never been able to provoke a stumble on LPG until the tank is empty, and, even then, it catches the low pressure so fast the engine doesn't falter.
Kevin
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I had an AC Stag fitted to my Omega elite 3ltr back in December last year! I have had no trouble whats so ever. The cost of filling up the 85ltr tank cost around £55 and that will do between 290-320 miles (mostly m/way) that being fitted by ProfessAutogas for £1100 sounds to me that some people are prepared to try and save themselves money by purchasing the kit and doing a DIY on the Omega, let the Experts fit the kit.
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But gas pressure sensor is in evap, so as soon as that drops, it should switch back to petrol, irrespective of what solenoids/pickups/whatever are doing.
My guess - under heavy braking you're not going to be burning any (or much) fuel so the pressure will hold up regardless. Even if the vapouriser sucks air. Hoof it away and demand for fuel suddenly rockets. If there is air (vapour) in the line it won't keep up.
The problem I have is that I have never been able to provoke a stumble on LPG until the tank is empty, and, even then, it catches the low pressure so fast the engine doesn't falter.
Kevin
I stalls under braking, not when reapplying power. Takes the PAS with it ::)
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I had an AC Stag fitted to my Omega elite 3ltr back in December last year! I have had no trouble whats so ever. The cost of filling up the 85ltr tank cost around £55 and that will do between 290-320 miles (mostly m/way) that being fitted by ProfessAutogas for £1100 sounds to me that some people are prepared to try and save themselves money by purchasing the kit and doing a DIY on the Omega, let the Experts fit the kit.
Trouble is, the so-called "Experts" are mostly incompitent.
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I had an AC Stag fitted to my Omega elite 3ltr back in December last year! I have had no trouble whats so ever. The cost of filling up the 85ltr tank cost around £55 and that will do between 290-320 miles (mostly m/way) that being fitted by ProfessAutogas for £1100 sounds to me that some people are prepared to try and save themselves money by purchasing the kit and doing a DIY on the Omega, let the Experts fit the kit.
AC Stag only describes the ECU ;)
The issues we've experienced are minor and most likely relate to tuning. Personally, I wouldn't pay a "Professional" to install any LPG kit to may car because I've not seen a job worthy of the money (except for Entwood's) ::)
For £1100 I doubt they removed the manifold before drilling it... 90% of the time this will be fine but I'm not willing to take the chance of swarf damaging my engine ;) Equally... I fitted my kit myself a little over 2 years ago and, apart from the little hiccup as it changes gear at full chat, it's faultless. Yours could have exactly the same issue but be set to switch to petrol and hide it ;)
At the end of the day, you do what you are happy with... I don't let many people work on my cars... Never have and am unlikely to at any time in the near future. ;)
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I don't let many people work on my cars... Never have and am unlikely to at any time in the near future. ;)
Except yer back is breaked, and you'll be pleaing with someone to service it ;D
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I had an AC Stag fitted to my Omega elite 3ltr back in December last year! I have had no trouble whats so ever. The cost of filling up the 85ltr tank cost around £55 and that will do between 290-320 miles (mostly m/way) that being fitted by ProfessAutogas for £1100 sounds to me that some people are prepared to try and save themselves money by purchasing the kit and doing a DIY on the Omega, let the Experts fit the kit.
I'd be concerned at the setup on that... Mine's a 90L tank (72L useable capacity) and I can get 350-400miles on mostly motorway runs (and that's not hanging about either ;))
When I went to Italy last September I cruised at between 90 and 120mph for a couple of tankfulls of LPG and got 380 miles without running out totally ;)
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I don't let many people work on my cars... Never have and am unlikely to at any time in the near future. ;)
Except yer back is breaked, and you'll be pleaing with someone to service it ;D
Errrr.... Yeah... That's why I put many and not anyone :-X ::) ;D
Apparently you've been voted to do the handbrake as you have lots of experience :-X ::)
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I don't let many people work on my cars... Never have and am unlikely to at any time in the near future. ;)
Except yer back is breaked, and you'll be pleaing with someone to service it ;D
Errrr.... Yeah... That's why I put many and not anyone :-X ::) ;D
Apparently you've been voted to do the handbrake as you have lots of experience :-X ::)
Ooh, i had a little titter then. ;D :-X. Also an expert on in car aroma.... Apparently. ;D :-X
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I'm afraid I also have never been able to allow anyone to work on my cars in my absence,I've always managed to do most jobs large and small myself, and coincidentally 3 days ago I took delivery of a lpg front end kit for miggy by arrangement with LD from Teilo,(once more thanks LD :y) which I'm going to be installing,I'll get immense satisfaction from doing this, I hope to get any expert knowledge and advice I need from the forum, I'll know it's done proper, and learn a great deal, it has always been about knowing its done right and not so much for cost cutting :y
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I had an AC Stag fitted to my Omega elite 3ltr back in December last year! I have had no trouble whats so ever. The cost of filling up the 85ltr tank cost around £55 and that will do between 290-320 miles (mostly m/way) that being fitted by ProfessAutogas for £1100 sounds to me that some people are prepared to try and save themselves money by purchasing the kit and doing a DIY on the Omega, let the Experts fit the kit.
WE are the experts now
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4 1/2 years on a DIY fitted system :y
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I don't let many people work on my cars... Never have and am unlikely to at any time in the near future. ;)
Except yer back is breaked, and you'll be pleaing with someone to service it ;D
Errrr.... Yeah... That's why I put many and not anyone :-X ::) ;D
Apparently you've been voted to do the handbrake as you have lots of experience :-X ::)
Have I mentioned how much I rather hate Omega rather handbrakes?
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I don't let many people work on my cars... Never have and am unlikely to at any time in the near future. ;)
Except yer back is breaked, and you'll be pleaing with someone to service it ;D
Errrr.... Yeah... That's why I put many and not anyone :-X ::) ;D
Apparently you've been voted to do the handbrake as you have lots of experience :-X ::)
Have I mentioned how much I rather hate Omega rather handbrakes?
Really? I thought you loved doing them :-X :-X :-X
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I don't let many people work on my cars... Never have and am unlikely to at any time in the near future. ;)
Except yer back is breaked, and you'll be pleaing with someone to service it ;D
Errrr.... Yeah... That's why I put many and not anyone :-X ::) ;D
Apparently you've been voted to do the handbrake as you have lots of experience :-X ::)
Have I mentioned how much I rather hate Omega rather handbrakes?
Really? I thought you loved doing them :-X :-X :-X
Yer back will be the last of your worries, what with having to walk around with a rear disc rammed up yer jacksie...
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I don't let many people work on my cars... Never have and am unlikely to at any time in the near future. ;)
Except yer back is breaked, and you'll be pleaing with someone to service it ;D
Errrr.... Yeah... That's why I put many and not anyone :-X ::) ;D
Apparently you've been voted to do the handbrake as you have lots of experience :-X ::)
Have I mentioned how much I rather hate Omega rather handbrakes?
Really? I thought you loved doing them :-X :-X :-X
Yer back will be the last of your worries, what with having to walk around with a rear disc rammed up yer jacksie...
If it makes you feel any better it has new shoes fitted but can't remember if we checked the levers... It's sticking on somewhere and I'm no longer convinced it's cable related... Thinking back to when DLK and I did the shoes we were in a hurry and the levers may not have been cleaned and lubed :-[
Mrs LD has already been told that she's got to do some baking before I come down though :y :y