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Re: Mechanic School Blog
« Reply #135 on: 01 October 2012, 22:59:48 »

Sod it, one final math problem we had to work out... couldn't do it in class as too many distractions but the question is this:

Four cylinder engine has a bore diameter of 80mm and a stroke of 70mm. Calculate the Compression Ratio if clearance volume is 40cm3

SO.

I firstly work out my SV.... 3.14 X 16cm X 7cm = 351.68

I add my CV - 351.68 + 40 = 391.68

Divide this by the CV = 9.792................CR = 9.79:1
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« Reply #136 on: 02 October 2012, 08:13:15 »

A few observations on the compression testing.

1) The throttle needs to be fully open when testing

2) The oil trick is actualy not that great, to often the oil gets nowhere near the rings, particularly on modern multivalve engines and it just sits on the top of the pistons (as many or pocketed or slightly dished). The result is an increase in CR any way as the clearance volume. Also, adding only a few drops of oil equals a cc!

Your CR calc gives you static CR, dynamic CR will be different and will be higher thanks to scavenging or forced induction.
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« Reply #137 on: 05 October 2012, 18:41:51 »

A few observations on the compression testing.

1) The throttle needs to be fully open when testing

2) The oil trick is actualy not that great, to often the oil gets nowhere near the rings, particularly on modern multivalve engines and it just sits on the top of the pistons (as many or pocketed or slightly dished). The result is an increase in CR any way as the clearance volume. Also, adding only a few drops of oil equals a cc!

Your CR calc gives you static CR, dynamic CR will be different and will be higher thanks to scavenging or forced induction.

Mark, thanks for responding on this. Also, yes defo should have mentioned to have the throttle fully open. And certainly the teacher definitely treated the compression test as a 'Quick Test'' that should be backed up by a leakage test.

Dynamic CR  :o :o :o :o Thought I'd cracked it!  ::) :D I'll look in to that, or better still get my tutor to fully explain it as punishment for pulling me in when the kids got in trouble!  :y

Got quite a big update to do but I've been poorly this week (still went to school of course)  :'(

Chillin' tonight so gonna pop a top on a few beers and spend all evening on here updating  :y
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« Reply #138 on: 09 October 2012, 00:00:22 »

Last Tuesday/Wednesday and today...

Evening chaps, very sorry I didn't update as intended to last week... ended up getting drunk on Friday night instead  :)

Well it's been a busy week. More theory to go through and also my first engine practical assessment today  :y

Ok so last weeks' lessons consisted of the following:

Although I said I couldn't do a leak down test because the dials were broken I still managed to sneak a pic of the demo before we found out it was bust  ::)

The dial on the right shows the leakage and it has green, amber and red to show whether it's good, bad or ugly  ;D

''Poppet'' valve the most common type of valve...

The seat (the bit that is angled from the stem) is machined to an angle between 30o and 45o so they fit or ''seat'' nicely into the head so it seals. the valve seat in the head is angled slightly more to allow for expansion.... gets hot in that there combustion chamber  :y
Exhaust valves are smaller than the inlets and I believe (although I don't have the exact explanation written down weirdly) it's something to do with the exhaust temperature. Maybe someone could clarify?  :)

So to break down the components of the valve....

the valve itself obviously has a valve tip, the spring fixing (where those little collets sit and keep the spring in place), the valve stem, the valve head (where the stem starts to angle, the seating which has the 30-45o angle to fit in to the head nicely and the face which i think is the flat bottom.
another reason why the valve must seat correctly and securely is because the combustion chamber needs to be able to dissipate the heat it creates. if the seating is too shallow or doesnt fit correctly you will get burned out valves.... expensive to replace i imagine!
finally on valves you have the spring which the collar goes over, compress that down, fit the collets, release compressor=one nicely fitted valve  :y

moving on from valves as that part we learned kinda got very dull after 2 hours of talking about it!...... i aso learned that the crankshaft has a ''woodruf key''. this is like a notch or groove that slots in to the first main journal (main bearing) and keeps the crank pulley in place.....


a quick note about the piston....
through the centre of it is a gudgeon pin. this allows the con. rod to rotate within the pistin. at the top of the con rod is the little end bearing (as its smaller) and on the other end is the................ thats right, big end bearing and is fitted to the crank pin via the big end bearing cap. worth noting that on the inside of the big end bearing and the big end bearing cap are two semi-circle shell type things... simply there so that they take the wearing and can be replaced and not the big end/cap themselves. simple but effective ;)
also if you cut the con rod in half it would be 'H' shaped. this is for extra strength. a square shape could buckle  :y

a quick word about camshafts....
DID YOU KNOW that they are slightly offset to their corresponding follower? this is so that when it opens the valve not only does it simply open and close but also turns the valve as it does so....this helps get rid of the heat more effectively.... think of air ''swirling'' if you will.  :y

ok, i do have some more stuff to go through but i am beat for now. got some cool assessment pics to show you though when my phone wants to send e mails again  >:(

ta ta for now  :y
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« Reply #139 on: 09 October 2012, 00:11:33 »

Great stuff again webby.Be aware though that not all engines are of the same design.For example,not all crank pulleys have a woodruff key,not all bearings are shell type bearings etc.Expensive,highly tuned engines (particularily in bikes) will have needle roller bearings in the small and big end bearings. And then you have the Ducati Desmodromic valve system which has no valve springs.Springs are closed by mechanical means as well as opened.No valve spring bounce or coil binding to worry about,so engine can rev higher.
 Your learning fast though mate.This stuff will stand you in good stead for years to come,until you get to my age. Then everytime you learn one thing you forget three others. :'( ;D
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« Reply #140 on: 09 October 2012, 00:21:37 »

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For example,not all crank pulleys have a woodruff key, .....

The diseasal Astra I had was as you say. Cam pulley was just on a taper fit, and cam timing really needed a separate bit of kit that used one of the cam lobes to time it up. Glad I didn't remove the nut on the end .......as I very nearly did.  ::)
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« Reply #141 on: 09 October 2012, 09:55:30 »

Also, many modern engines dont have the camshaft lobe off set (or a raised side profile as per the Rover V8) to rotate the follower as they use better hardening and oil is MUCH better so its not required.

Also valve seat angles, most if not all modern engines will have multiple angles ground onto the seat to support better gas flow.

Exhaust valve size is a compromise, you only have a limited space available within the combustion chamber for valves and its harder to get air/fuel in than exhaust gases out (exhaust gases are expanding as the exhaust valve opens before BDC so they force themselves out plus the piston will push them out as it rises on the exhaust stroke) so they can be made smaller so you can make the inlets bigger (as on a NA vehicle the inlet will be at a vaccum) which is where you want the biggest valves you can get
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« Reply #142 on: 09 October 2012, 12:09:24 »

Thanks for the input chaps. Very useful as ever!!!

Ok, so carrying on from last night.....

Valve lead, lag and overlap....

LEAD = When a valve opens shortly before the next stroke. An example of this would be the inlet opening at the end of the exhaust stroke ready for the induction stroke.

LAG = When a valve finishes closing shortly after the next stroke has started. I think an example of this would be the exhaust shutting shortly after induction.... but I'm a tad unsure. We have looked briefly at valve timing diagrams and I'm going to be honest it's a bit confusing  ;D but we're going to look more in depth at these later so sorry if I got this one wrong.

OVERLAP = When two valves are open at the same time. An example is the start of the induction stroke  :y

There's other stuff as well but I need to upload piccies tonight  :y
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« Reply #144 on: 09 October 2012, 21:19:51 »

That's really useful, Mark! Really bloody useful in fact! We hardly touched the surface last week but I know we're going to get in depth with valve timing. it certainly makes sense, especially why the inlet is allowed to open before TDC on the exhauset stroke as you say having the overlap will create a vacuum which, when you're wanting to get your mixture in in however many miliseconds it is then i suppose every little aid helps the overall process massively  :y :y :y :y :y so thanks for that!

well, hopefully youll be pleased to know i finished my first assessment and although its still being marked the tutor commented that my work was very impressive!  8) 8) 8) 8)

in short over the last few weeks, as you've seen from the photos, we've had a load of different engine jobs that we've practised and for the assessment we simply had to choose one. me and my buddy chose removing head, whipping valves out, lapping them in, putting the valves back in and refiting the head and timing it up correctly.

i shan't go through it all as although it was a different engine i've already highlighted the job with pics previously. HOWEVER, i did get this pic which i think may interest you.....

this engine is a 1991 Ford Escort 1.8 DOHC.
Firstly i'll highlight that me and my buddy did make one mistake and that was we assumed something  ::) there was a notch on the crank and every other engine we've worked on has been at TDC when the notch is at 6 o'clock. Sadly for us it should've been at 5 o'clock  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) but only ourselves to blame as we should've double checked..... luckily it was the only mistake we made  8)
the very interesting thing about this engine (or interesting to me at least) is it's the first engine that's required the use of a camshaft alignment tool (all other engines in the workshop have simply used timing marks...very crude). the photo shows the back of the engine and if you look at the back of the cam shafts youll note two indents that when they're at the correct time you can slot the alignment tool nicely in and it fits perfectly. with the crank at 5 o'clock this bad boy is timed up  8)

OK next up the cam lobe...

pretty straightforward. the longer the nose the longer the valves stay open for.... i suppose thats why they say the bump stick is the heart of the engine as its performance will change the performance of the car.

next, firing orders....
we learned very little about this but what i do know is that the reason the foring order appears ''random'' (instead of just 1234) is to balance out the power strokes across the engine.
Four pot enginges have one of only two possible firing orders:
1342   or    1243
i still dont get why you couldnt have 1324  :-\ in my mind thats the most even order
In line 6 cylinder engines can only have the fllowing:
145632, 142635, 132645 or 135642.
as mentioned before sadly we didnt delve in to this so thats the only info i have..... feel free to add as appropriate  :y

lastly pistons and the combustion chamber.....
i've mentioned the crown (very top), the rings (two compression rings and one oil ring with gaps at 180o to avoid leakage, the skirt, the gudgeon pin. but i would also like to add that the combustion chamber shapes are designed to help to burn the mixture and also create a swirly vacuum for the mixture and exhaust gases. moving air is hard so agan every little helps!  :y

Anyway thats it until tomorrow. hope youve enjoyed so far  :y
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« Reply #145 on: 09 October 2012, 22:23:06 »

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« Reply #146 on: 10 October 2012, 10:39:54 »

Small block GM engines use the same cam timing method (they are chain based) e.g. the 1.0, 1.2 and 1.4.

I have a few medium 6 cylinder diesels to re-build shortly (11 plus ltres) having just finished a Land Rover 2.5 diesel head gasket and a BSD444 diesel engine job. Once you understand the basics then they are all actualy surprisingly similar.

If you ever want to see a real engine then pop up to Nottingham!

You should also now have enough understanding to start thinking what certain engine management sensors do....e.g. crank sensor and cam sensor.
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« Reply #147 on: 10 October 2012, 12:07:02 »

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You should also now have enough understanding to start thinking what certain engine management sensors do....e.g. crank sensor and cam sensor.

Sense the crank & sense the cam ........  ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #148 on: 10 October 2012, 18:03:53 »

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You should also now have enough understanding to start thinking what certain engine management sensors do....e.g. crank sensor and cam sensor.

Sense the crank & sense the cam ........  ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #149 on: 10 October 2012, 22:20:02 »

 :y :y this is a brilliant  thread webby brings back alot of memories :y :y :y :y
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