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Title: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 14 July 2020, 18:41:19
What do you replace an Omega with?  Mrs TB's daily, covering about 2k monthly, so rules out anything tasty.

Requirements:
Comfortable mile cruncher, so large saloon
40+ mpg
ideally well over 500m to a tank (one area that became problematic with TBE)
Sludge-o-matic
RWD/AWD/4WD
Good visibility (unlike the x351 XJ, which is a bit crap)
Comfortable for passengers
Sub 100k
Ideally less than £6-7k, unless the car perfectly suits her needs.
DAB + BT streaming. BBC Radio is not conducive to her remaining mild mannered.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 14 July 2020, 18:42:51
Oh, and fossil fuelled. Milk floats are unsuitable.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 July 2020, 19:10:15
S80 D5 :-\
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 14 July 2020, 19:22:13
She'd have to try one, but I found the S60/S80 quite uncomfortable after 10 mins or so.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Viral_Jim on 14 July 2020, 19:22:22
Mondeo (spend less and save some money for when the powershift box cr@ps itself)
Hyundai i40/Kia Optima
Chrysler 300c
Skoda superb (see Mondeo gearbox advice)
Saab 9-5
Vauxhall Insicknia
VW P1ss Hat
E-Cla... Nevermind :-X
Early 2.2 XF, probably still lacks visibility  :-\

That's about all I can think of, but out of all of them I'd still have the S80 D4/D5, given your criteria. Or maybe a Phaeton.



Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 14 July 2020, 19:23:50
Just mentioned Volvo to her.  She's had dealings with them in a professional capacity, and she might have started on a rant ;D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: henryd on 14 July 2020, 19:24:34
I know of a 300c 3.2 derv with 40k on the clock that's up for grabs,07 plate
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Viral_Jim on 14 July 2020, 19:26:59
She'd have to try one, but I found the S60/S80 quite uncomfortable after 10 mins or so.
Funny you should say that. My old S80 was the only car I've found more comfortable than an elite omega. My mate's S60 2012 on the other hand, not comfy.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 14 July 2020, 19:29:09
Mondeo (spend less and save some money for when the powershift box cr@ps itself)
Hyundai i40/Kia Optima
Chrysler 300c
Skoda superb (see Mondeo gearbox advice)
Saab 9-5
Vauxhall Insicknia
VW P1ss Hat
E-Cla... Nevermind :-X
Early 2.2 XF, probably still lacks visibility  :-\

That's about all I can think of, but out of all of them I'd still have the S80 D4/D5, given your criteria. Or maybe a Phaeton.
Has to be slushy, not other forms of auto,  Also, not FWD.

She drove XFs when they first came out, and like them, but finding one meeting requirements for the budget I set is tricky,  XE I reckon would be ideal car, but obviously they are all too new still.

Did they do an Insignia saloon, or where they all hatch/estate?
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 July 2020, 19:31:46
Mondeo (spend less and save some money for when the powershift box cr@ps itself)
Hyundai i40/Kia Optima
Chrysler 300c
Skoda superb (see Mondeo gearbox advice)
Saab 9-5
Vauxhall Insicknia
VW P1ss Hat
E-Cla... Nevermind :-X
Early 2.2 XF, probably still lacks visibility  :-\

That's about all I can think of, but out of all of them I'd still have the S80 D4/D5, given your criteria. Or maybe a Phaeton.
Hiandry i40 diseasal is a decent mile muncher :y

Length of the island on less than 3/4tank 8)

Avoid any VAG crap... They can't design a decent engine for toffee and that's before you even get to the gearbox ;D

BMW 330/530. Plenty of grunt and pretty decent on fuel thanks to the ZF 8 speed ;) Bro's 330d has done well over 100k with the minimum of fuss... EGR cooler and wheel bearing being about the only extra maintenance jobs ;)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 July 2020, 19:32:56
Insignia saloon was available, but think they dropped them in 2010 ish :-\
Choice of 1...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202007111131026

And wwd :-\
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 14 July 2020, 19:33:04
I know of a 300c 3.2 derv with 40k on the clock that's up for grabs,07 plate
Little bit older than I was looking at, but will have a google :y
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 14 July 2020, 19:38:43
I know of a 300c 3.2 derv with 40k on the clock that's up for grabs,07 plate
Little bit older than I was looking at, but will have a google :y
Google suggests 34mpg, which is a bit low, so that's likely off the list :(.  Guessing reality is going to be high 20s mpg wise.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Viral_Jim on 14 July 2020, 19:41:00

Did they do an Insignia saloon, or where they all hatch/estate?

Apparently not  :-\ although I thought they did.

No WWD is extremely limited, as I'm sure you know. Saab 9-3 came in a TTiD guise with AWD and a proper slush box, probably ticks the boxes, but finding one would be a good game.  ::)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 July 2020, 19:43:13

Did they do an Insignia saloon, or where they all hatch/estate?

Apparently not  :-\ although I thought they did.

No WWD is extremely limited, as I'm sure you know. Saab 9-3 came in a TTiD guise with AWD and a proper slush box, probably ticks the boxes, but finding one would be a good game.  ::)
See above  :y
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: VXL V6 on 14 July 2020, 19:48:44
Lexus IS250?
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 14 July 2020, 19:50:56
Lexus IS250?
Too small.  Like most medium Jap cars, they are narrow inside.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Viral_Jim on 14 July 2020, 19:53:20
XJ 2.7d?

X-type (not sure if they did an awd diesel  :-\)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: VXL V6 on 14 July 2020, 19:59:18
Zafira 2.0DTi (No cost option!)  :D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 14 July 2020, 20:27:53
Zafira 2.0DTi (No cost option!)  :D
That suggestion was made earlier. I am still holding a bag of frozen peas to stop the swelling.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Rangie on 14 July 2020, 20:34:31
The most economical & reliable vehicle that I've ever owned was a Mazda6 2 litre turbo diesel 46mpg on a normal run & 62mpg on a long run  had it from new & kept it 8 years never missed a beat, and extremely comfortable.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: BazaJT on 14 July 2020, 20:55:50
The XJ 2.7d would be the tempter for me,although I have read[on here?] that the 2.7d has a habit of snapping crankshafts for fun with no warning,how true this is I can't say.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Rangie on 14 July 2020, 21:00:43
The XJ 2.7d would be the tempter for me,although I have read[on here?] that the 2.7d has a habit of snapping crankshafts for fun with no warning,how true this is I can't say.


If that is the same engine that's used in the Range Rover it's very true the forum is full of horror stories & advice to avoid it.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 July 2020, 21:04:40
The XJ 2.7d would be the tempter for me,although I have read[on here?] that the 2.7d has a habit of snapping crankshafts for fun with no warning,how true this is I can't say.


If that is the same engine that's used in the Range Rover it's very true the forum is full of horror stories & advice to avoid it.
It doesn't like that application, possibly the demands on the driveline of shifting the weight. Lasts much better in traditional cars, especially the XJ as it weighs almost nothing compared to the RR platforms. Also happy enough in PSA chassis  ;)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: BazaJT on 14 July 2020, 21:10:38
I recall Jeremy Clarkson was pretty impressed with the one he used in a Top Gear challenge from the continent to Blackpool.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Entwood on 14 July 2020, 21:40:04
Audi A6 ??
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 July 2020, 21:55:00
Audi A6 ??
DSG?

Timing gear on the V6 is engine out to fix.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Viral_Jim on 14 July 2020, 22:49:08
Or you could have a CVT, which is so much better  ;D

In the interests of suggesting stuff you've never heard of...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006240486975?atmobcid=soc3 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006240486975?atmobcid=soc3)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: joshwyatt on 14 July 2020, 23:21:38
BMW 520d F10

Volvo S80 D5 or D4, I’ve had my ‘12’ S80 for 3 years, you did drive an S60 I had, don’t think you’ve driven my S80...I think it’s great. The ‘63’ onwards will have BT audio streaming, phone, and lots of other things you’d want, and they’re very cheap!

Mercedes C, E or ML?

Discovery 3/4

Subaru Outback

I’ve got a ‘15’ 520d touring you can take, and a 440i coupe. The 440i clearly no good, but a fun drive. The 520d no good as it’s an estate, I’m not a BMW fan, but it’s an ok car to drive.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 15 July 2020, 08:53:40
I would avoid anything with the BMW 2.0 diesel engine, its a chain eater.  :y
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: henryd on 15 July 2020, 09:21:39
I know of a 300c 3.2 derv with 40k on the clock that's up for grabs,07 plate
Little bit older than I was looking at, but will have a google :y
Google suggests 34mpg, which is a bit low, so that's likely off the list :(.  Guessing reality is going to be high 20s mpg wise.

Belonged to a good friend of mine who's sadly passed away, When I have driven it its shown low thirties average so 34 sounds about it, plus its bloody huge :-X

Although I quite like it ::)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: YZ250 on 15 July 2020, 12:36:46
What do you replace an Omega with?  Mrs TB's daily, covering about 2k monthly, so rules out anything tasty.

Requirements:
.......
Sludge-o-matic


As in slush box torque converter as opposed to dual clutch?

I must say the ZF8 (triple clutch I believe  :-\) in our Beemer is a cracking gearbox, good around town, idling in slow moving traffic and apparently quite responsive when you hoof it.  ::)  It's a good all round transmission set up.
It's a much nicer transmission than my Audi (dual clutch S Tronic), which on the roll is fine but can be a tad .... err ...... jumpy at times, in slower moving traffic. I think it's when you first start off so maybe a temperature thing.  :-\  Very low miles on both so nothing to do with wear.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 15 July 2020, 13:05:47
Or you could have a CVT, which is so much better  ;D

In the interests of suggesting stuff you've never heard of...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006240486975?atmobcid=soc3 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006240486975?atmobcid=soc3)

I very nearly bought on of these. Albeit with a 3.5V6 petrol in place of the planet killing derv lump.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 15 July 2020, 15:07:55
What do you replace an Omega with?  Mrs TB's daily, covering about 2k monthly, so rules out anything tasty.

Requirements:
.......
Sludge-o-matic


As in slush box torque converter as opposed to dual clutch?

I must say the ZF8 (triple clutch I believe  :-\) in our Beemer is a cracking gearbox, good around town, idling in slow moving traffic and apparently quite responsive when you hoof it.  ::)  It's a good all round transmission set up.
It's a much nicer transmission than my Audi (dual clutch S Tronic), which on the roll is fine but can be a tad .... err ...... jumpy at times, in slower moving traffic. I think it's when you first start off so maybe a temperature thing.  :-\  Very low miles on both so nothing to do with wear.

ZF8 is a torque converter 8 speed traditional auto with the ability to lockup in all gears.

Probably the best all rounder gearbox in the world today
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 15 July 2020, 15:49:17
What do you replace an Omega with?  Mrs TB's daily, covering about 2k monthly, so rules out anything tasty.

Requirements:
.......
Sludge-o-matic


As in slush box torque converter as opposed to dual clutch?

I must say the ZF8 (triple clutch I believe  :-\) in our Beemer is a cracking gearbox, good around town, idling in slow moving traffic and apparently quite responsive when you hoof it.  ::)  It's a good all round transmission set up.
It's a much nicer transmission than my Audi (dual clutch S Tronic), which on the roll is fine but can be a tad .... err ...... jumpy at times, in slower moving traffic. I think it's when you first start off so maybe a temperature thing.  :-\  Very low miles on both so nothing to do with wear.

ZF8 is a torque converter 8 speed traditional auto with the ability to lockup in all gears.

Probably the best all rounder gearbox in the world today

I always believed that dual clutch was the future but now I'm not so sure. Latest  BMW M5 now uses a ZF torque converter. The previous model used a double clutch.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 July 2020, 16:24:01
Just in case you missed it...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202007111131026 ;)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: VXL V6 on 15 July 2020, 16:33:54
Just in case you missed it...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202007111131026 ;)

While it may well appeal to some people, for me the design (especially the interior) doesn't appeal.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: biggriffin on 15 July 2020, 16:42:10
Just in case you missed it...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202007111131026 ;)

While it may well appeal to some people, for me the design (especially the interior) doesn't appeal.


 Is that because it's old person beige, so might smell of wee. ;D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: ronnyd on 15 July 2020, 16:58:30
Just in case you missed it...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202007111131026 ;)

While it may well appeal to some people, for me the design (especially the interior) doesn't appeal.


 Is that because it's old person beige, so might smell of wee. ;D
To me, it's just a God awful colour.  :)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Rangie on 15 July 2020, 17:05:03
Black cars look better with black or red leather, that interior looks awful .
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 July 2020, 17:23:24
Fortunately, none of yous will be driving it ::)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: YZ250 on 15 July 2020, 17:45:54
Transit Custom, all day long.  :y

What do you replace an Omega with?  Mrs TB's daily, covering about 2k monthly, so rules out anything tasty.

Requirements:
Comfortable mile cruncher, so large saloon ................ Large, it's a van
40+ mpg ............. Easily achieved
ideally well over 500m to a tank (one area that became problematic with TBE) .................. Easily achieved
Sludge-o-matic ............ Hmmm........... failed on that one so she'll have to use a stick shift. Andy B, apologies for using Americanism's  ;)  ;D
RWD/AWD/4WD .............. Some Ex Water Board vans are 4WD    ::)
Good visibility (unlike the x351 XJ, which is a bit crap) ........... Big mirrors and the Kombi has extra windows
Comfortable for passengers ............ Kombi rear seats are a bit too upright for long journeys but the drivers seat is OK.  :y
Sub 100k ............ Plenty about, but plenty that aren't
Ideally less than £6-7k, unless the car perfectly suits her needs. ....... Not going to get an M Sport Van but plenty of choice otherwise.
DAB + BT streaming. BBC Radio is not conducive to her remaining mild mannered. ........... Yep, phone to van music so all good there.

But the biggest bonus is, as you are now over 50 years of age, and as a camper, you can stick your Porta-Potti in the back of the van for when you need a piss and can't wait.  :y  Also,you get to update it on a regular basis as it will get stolen due to shite security locks, you soon learn not to leave tools in it after the first three sets get nicked out of it but other than that it suits her needs almost perfectly. I'll pop over in my sisters Sport van if she wants a test drive.   ;D

Hope that has been helpful.  ::) ;D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 15 July 2020, 17:50:31
What do you replace an Omega with?  Mrs TB's daily, covering about 2k monthly, so rules out anything tasty.

Requirements:
.......
Sludge-o-matic


As in slush box torque converter as opposed to dual clutch?

I must say the ZF8 (triple clutch I believe  :-\) in our Beemer is a cracking gearbox, good around town, idling in slow moving traffic and apparently quite responsive when you hoof it.  ::)  It's a good all round transmission set up.
It's a much nicer transmission than my Audi (dual clutch S Tronic), which on the roll is fine but can be a tad .... err ...... jumpy at times, in slower moving traffic. I think it's when you first start off so maybe a temperature thing.  :-\  Very low miles on both so nothing to do with wear.

ZF8 is a torque converter 8 speed traditional auto with the ability to lockup in all gears.

Probably the best all rounder gearbox in the world today

I always believed that dual clutch was the future but now I'm not so sure. Latest  BMW M5 now uses a ZF torque converter. The previous model used a double clutch.

It uses the ZF 8HP, as do JLR, BMW, Aston Martin, Maserati, Rolls, Bentley, the better Audis etc etc etc
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 15 July 2020, 17:51:23
Fortunately, none of yous will be driving it ::)

I doubt Mrs TB will be driving it either!  ;D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 July 2020, 17:56:12
Fortunately, none of yous will be driving it ::)

I doubt Mrs TB will be driving it either!  ;D
TB enquired of it as a possible option, which even though he is now grown up, he wouldn't have done if a punch in the face was going to be forthcoming  ;)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 15 July 2020, 19:12:12
Discovery 3/4
She fancies an Evoque, but I think she may struggle with economy with one.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 15 July 2020, 19:16:46
Transit Custom, all day long.  :y

What do you replace an Omega with?  Mrs TB's daily, covering about 2k monthly, so rules out anything tasty.

Requirements:
Comfortable mile cruncher, so large saloon ................ Large, it's a van
40+ mpg ............. Easily achieved
ideally well over 500m to a tank (one area that became problematic with TBE) .................. Easily achieved
Sludge-o-matic ............ Hmmm........... failed on that one so she'll have to use a stick shift. Andy B, apologies for using Americanism's  ;)  ;D
RWD/AWD/4WD .............. Some Ex Water Board vans are 4WD    ::)
Good visibility (unlike the x351 XJ, which is a bit crap) ........... Big mirrors and the Kombi has extra windows
Comfortable for passengers ............ Kombi rear seats are a bit too upright for long journeys but the drivers seat is OK.  :y
Sub 100k ............ Plenty about, but plenty that aren't
Ideally less than £6-7k, unless the car perfectly suits her needs. ....... Not going to get an M Sport Van but plenty of choice otherwise.
DAB + BT streaming. BBC Radio is not conducive to her remaining mild mannered. ........... Yep, phone to van music so all good there.

But the biggest bonus is, as you are now over 50 years of age, and as a camper, you can stick your Porta-Potti in the back of the van for when you need a piss and can't wait.  :y  Also,you get to update it on a regular basis as it will get stolen due to shite security locks, you soon learn not to leave tools in it after the first three sets get nicked out of it but other than that it suits her needs almost perfectly. I'll pop over in my sisters Sport van if she wants a test drive.   ;D

Hope that has been helpful.  ::) ;D
I do keep suggesting getting a Tranny, but she's having none of it.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 15 July 2020, 19:17:46
An AWD Insignificant, is it like the old chavaliers 4x4 and needed all 4 tyres at once?  Is that common on AWD?
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 July 2020, 19:24:31
An AWD Insignificant, is it like the old chavaliers 4x4 and needed all 4 tyres at once?  Is that common on AWD?
Yes, and yes.

The one I linked to is wwd, but it is the only automatic diesel saloon on Autotrader. Unless you want a bright blue manual VXR ;)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 15 July 2020, 19:26:03
Which way is the engine mounted in an AWD Insignificant?
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 15 July 2020, 19:26:47
Although changing 4 tyres at a time probably makes it unviable to her.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 July 2020, 19:34:03
Which way is the engine mounted in an AWD Insignificant?
Same way as the normal one  :y

You have more chance of buying an automatic 2.2dti Omega with ten miles om the clock than finding a diesel 4x4 Insignificant SALOON. Hatch and estate exist but are rare.

The twin turbo cdti SRi 4x4 may be an option, but again they're rare and hatch only and not as well equipped as the Omega relatively speaking.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 July 2020, 19:36:48
Here do...
Choice of one...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2011-Vauxhall-Insignia-2-0-CDTi-16v-SRi-VX-Line-4x4-5dr-/123936983802
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 July 2020, 19:39:04
Have to say, the 4x4 Insignificant is a good drivers car, especially on decent roads  8)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 15 July 2020, 19:42:32
OK, Insignificant is out.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 15 July 2020, 21:07:20
Discovery 3/4
She fancies an Evoque, but I think she may struggle with economy with one.

Hyundai Santa Fe?  :-\

It's hard enough finding an Omega replacement for ordinary Omega owners, but for a female Omega owner?  :o  ;D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 July 2020, 21:25:35
Anything viable on the work schemes? :-\
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: BazaJT on 15 July 2020, 22:19:09
Toyota Avensis? On the AWD front[although Mrs. TB would disagree probably] XC70,must say I can't fault my V70 which of course is WWD but none the worse for that. Auto box on Volvo needs to be/have been maintained properly though.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: STEMO on 16 July 2020, 12:42:27
There aren't that many big, RWD, diesel, auto saloons to choose from. I reckon it will have to be German.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 July 2020, 14:27:25
Spend three grand fixing everything on TBE and use the rest for petrol.

The actual cost of time faffing with finding lpg probably isn't too far of the ppm of petrol. And you keep a car that works for your needs.

Also modern petrols are more efficient as well, so an E500 petrol with the 7 speed box will probably average 35 on a run.  ;)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: omegod on 16 July 2020, 15:38:48
Bandit's LPG 3.2 estate is still live on ebay at £1200 or offers, it's in bloody good shape too
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 16 July 2020, 18:48:17
Spend three grand fixing everything on TBE and use the rest for petrol.
An increase of over £400 a month in fuel costs makes spending £5k - £7k on another car make sense.  TBE is fine, just stuffy arches and A/C that needs a new condenser (as a guess), but nowhere near viable to run on petrol given her mileage when she has to go back to the office.

modern petrols are more efficient as well, so an E500 petrol with the 7 speed box will probably average 35 on a run.  ;)
Like big engined diesels, reality between claims and what we get are leagues apart.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 16 July 2020, 18:49:20
Bandit's LPG 3.2 estate is still live on ebay at £1200 or offers, it's in bloody good shape too
But utterly useless to me because getting LPG is the reason TBE has to go.  Plus its an estate, which is unsuitable.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 18 July 2020, 16:22:12
I think what is really needed is a (newer) Omega Elite with a modern Diesel engine in it ;D ;D.

I think that is the problem, the Omega has so much going for it, but all are approaching 20yrs old, and the 2.6/3.2 are such a step backwards from the previous 2.5/3.0 in terms of power and economy, and the Diesel engines offered 20 years ago (or over 25yrs ago for the 2.5TD) are so dated.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: STEMO on 18 July 2020, 16:57:27
5 series, despite all the things you don't like about them, has got to be the closest to your needs, surely?
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 July 2020, 17:21:56
5 series, despite all the things you don't like about them, has got to be the closest to your needs, surely?
The irony is almost spreadable ;D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: VXL V6 on 18 July 2020, 18:38:45
5 series, despite all the things you don't like about them, has got to be the closest to your needs, surely?
I know I'm on my own here, but I've always thought the E60 530D was a natural next car after the Omega but time has slipped by...
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 July 2020, 18:56:49
The F10 530D X drive is a better car ;)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 18 July 2020, 19:01:28
Accept the fact that unless it says M5 on the back, A BMW aint ever going to grace my driveway.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 July 2020, 19:38:26
Pretty short list of rwd diesels before you start getting fussy ::)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: STEMO on 18 July 2020, 20:30:02
Accept the fact that unless it says M5 on the back, A BMW aint ever going to grace my driveway.
They sell M5 badges on eBay so that's not a problem. If you order them now they might arrive in time to stick on to your new beemer  :)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: dave the builder on 18 July 2020, 20:40:07
Accept the fact that unless it says M5 on the back, A BMW aint ever going to grace my driveway.
They sell M5 badges on eBay so that's not a problem. If you order them now they might arrive in time to stick on to your new beemer  :)
Ebay don't deliver to Brackley  ;D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: hotel21 on 18 July 2020, 21:09:03
Apply for a company golden ticket, as suggested previously.  My velar cost me £200 or so a month with a few hundred up front. 

Handed it back after a year with agreed miles, at a loss to JLR.  They got their sums wrong as to GFV so it was their hit.

Avoid an old disco3. Would take a good D4 hse lux though......
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 19 July 2020, 18:42:03
Apply for a company golden ticket, as suggested previously.  My velar cost me £200 or so a month with a few hundred up front. 

Handed it back after a year with agreed miles, at a loss to JLR.  They got their sums wrong as to GFV so it was their hit.

Avoid an old disco3. Would take a good D4 hse lux though......
Yup, every time TBE has an upset, I get her to check options, surprisingly not much about currently, unless shes looking in the wrong place.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Broomies Mate on 19 July 2020, 19:08:03
Shame it's not a TTiD (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202001136092549?postcode=nn135gb&model=9-5&fuel-type=Diesel&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&sort=price-desc&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&make=SAAB&page=1)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 21 July 2020, 16:17:33
Apply for a company golden ticket, as suggested previously.  My velar cost me £200 or so a month with a few hundred up front. 

Handed it back after a year with agreed miles, at a loss to JLR.  They got their sums wrong as to GFV so it was their hit.

Avoid an old disco3. Would take a good D4 hse lux though......

JLR will not have lost a penny on it, I can assure you  :y
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 21 July 2020, 16:20:13
Apply for a company golden ticket, as suggested previously.  My velar cost me £200 or so a month with a few hundred up front. 

Handed it back after a year with agreed miles, at a loss to JLR.  They got their sums wrong as to GFV so it was their hit.

Avoid an old disco3. Would take a good D4 hse lux though......
Yup, every time TBE has an upset, I get her to check options, surprisingly not much about currently, unless shes looking in the wrong place.

The work options are only ex management cars at low miles and are pretty young, these cars are cherished and cared for by their owners, cleaned regularly and never have crap thrown in the back. Highly recommended.  ;D ;D

That said, when we bought the XE new, it was cheaper to get a brand spanker, with more options, than it was to get the ex management cars at the time.  :-\
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Viral_Jim on 21 July 2020, 18:22:23
Shame it's not a TTiD (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202001136092549?postcode=nn135gb&model=9-5&fuel-type=Diesel&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&sort=price-desc&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&make=SAAB&page=1)

I do love these.

But I think you'd be setting yourself up for a headache parts wise. I seem to remember people on UKSaabs were scratting round for certain parts (windscreens for one iirc) and a few were just not available (rear light bar) and that was a couple of years ago so I doubt things have improved.  :-\

The biggest issue is that Saab sold about 7 of them before going bump so there aren't (m)any scrap parts cars about.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 August 2020, 11:54:05
If it's just for smashing up and down the motorway...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202008152516539 :y
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Viral_Jim on 18 August 2020, 13:02:00
I'd buy it for the invoice alone  ;D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 18 August 2020, 13:36:36
That seems very cheap.  ???
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 August 2020, 13:52:01
That seems very cheap.  ???
It's had a corrosion advisory at the last MoT and the paint is poor, especially bonnet and mirror casings.  :y
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 18 August 2020, 15:03:42
Sounds like an HPI check would be in order before parting with any readies.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: SMD on 10 September 2020, 19:06:59
So did you find a suitable replacement?

 :)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 September 2020, 09:22:32
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202007191429532

Ticks most of the required boxes, except rwd...  :y
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Nick W on 11 September 2020, 09:39:34
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202007191429532 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202007191429532)

Ticks most of the required boxes, except rwd...  :y


A car very much in the Omega mould, comfortable, quiet, discreet and with a couple of expensive maintenance issues. CDTIs biggest problem is the electric fuel pumps(the tank one fails, and the supplemental one under the bonnet doesn't last long), plus the engine is a little easier to work on when fitted to RWD cars.


A 1.8turbo estate is a car I would happily replace my Omega with.


V6s are nice, but don't really add enough performance over the turbo for the extra costs(fuel, timing belts, mostly autos and high tax on the later cars)


Check any 75 you look at for rot in the sills.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 September 2020, 11:41:15
TB is not nearly daft enough to go 75, a car to like driving a pub with compromised platform, bad visibility and where parts availability is a swine.  :y

The newest ones are only a couple of years younger than what he already has.

Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Nick W on 11 September 2020, 11:45:48
TB is not nearly daft enough to go 75, a car to like driving a pub with compromised platform, bad visibility and where parts availability is a swine.  :y

The newest ones are only a couple of years younger than what he already has.


That is an extremely good point when it's a £6k car like in the link.


But a nice, late 75 is findable for £1500, and that's a very different proposition.


Parts availability is a problem?  ???
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 September 2020, 11:52:31
TB is not nearly daft enough to go 75, a car to like driving a pub with compromised platform, bad visibility and where parts availability is a swine.  :y

The newest ones are only a couple of years younger than what he already has.


That is an extremely good point when it's a £6k car like in the link.


But a nice, late 75 is findable for £1500, and that's a very different proposition.


Parts availability is a problem?  ???

Very much so, if your after bits from the BMW bin, not so difficult, try getting trim, panels, electrics etc, bloody nightmare.

Plus it was the era when they were throwing out specials like Toffees, making the trim variation even worse.

Of course you absolutely have to avoid the V6 petrols which were toilet and the asthmatic V8
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Nick W on 11 September 2020, 12:11:56
Trim is always an issue, as it's very rarely needed and there are so many variations. It's also bulky to store, so most manufacturers don't keep much and it's usually the first stock to be devalued and skipped/passed on to marque specialists. For instance, Rimmers were recently trying to sell off R75 seat covers for £20 each, in burgandy leather,  which was hardly a common spec. And they could only supply 3/4 of a car set.


The ex-Rover mechanic I know doesn't have any problems keeping his customer's cars running.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 11 September 2020, 12:37:47
So did you find a suitable replacement?

 :)
Not yet.  The search has become less urgent, as she isn't having to commute yet, and she there is an LPG station not far from her dad's place, whom she visits weekly.

Once she is back commuting, the search will have to intensify.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 September 2020, 20:49:30
There won't be any cars left :D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: SMD on 12 September 2020, 16:47:03
So did you find a suitable replacement?

 :)
Not yet.  The search has become less urgent, as she isn't having to commute yet, and she there is an LPG station not far from her dad's place, whom she visits weekly.

Once she is back commuting, the search will have to intensify.

I will also be on the lookout for a new car soon, ideally a RWD petrol saloon. I have around £10k to spend but most of them within this price range are over 10 years old
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 12 September 2020, 17:53:43
So did you find a suitable replacement?

 :)
Not yet.  The search has become less urgent, as she isn't having to commute yet, and she there is an LPG station not far from her dad's place, whom she visits weekly.

Once she is back commuting, the search will have to intensify.

I will also be on the lookout for a new car soon, ideally a RWD petrol saloon. I have around £10k to spend but most of them within this price range are over 10 years old
Trouble with RWD is they tend to be (supposedly) premium marques and thus £10k doesn't go far. And petrol narrows an already difficult search.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 September 2020, 19:54:18
Quattroporte might be in budget... £10k nearly gets you a  VXR8 8)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Nick W on 12 September 2020, 20:06:38
Quattroporte might be in budget... £10k nearly gets you a  VXR8 8)




Which one of the 7 that they sold is so bad to be £10k?
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: SMD on 12 September 2020, 20:09:40
So did you find a suitable replacement?

 :)
Not yet.  The search has become less urgent, as she isn't having to commute yet, and she there is an LPG station not far from her dad's place, whom she visits weekly.

Once she is back commuting, the search will have to intensify.

I will also be on the lookout for a new car soon, ideally a RWD petrol saloon. I have around £10k to spend but most of them within this price range are over 10 years old
Trouble with RWD is they tend to be (supposedly) premium marques and thus £10k doesn't go far. And petrol narrows an already difficult search.

Yeah and these premium marques become more unreliable as they age.

Al, I don't think I could live with that ironing board attached to that car  :-X, otherwise it's a decent looking car. I'm surprised a 13 year old vauxhall costs so much  :o
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 September 2020, 20:12:56
Quattroporte might be in budget... £10k nearly gets you a  VXR8 8)




Which one of the 7 that they sold is so bad to be £10k?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202006200331026

And that's not the cheapest...  :D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Nick W on 12 September 2020, 21:00:17
Quattroporte might be in budget... £10k nearly gets you a  VXR8 8)




Which one of the 7 that they sold is so bad to be £10k?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202006200331026 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202006200331026)

And that's not the cheapest TO BUY...  :D


FTFY


Quatroportes are the modern equivalent of things like Alfa GTVs or Lancia anythings: garage jewellery. They were no good as cars when new, so what chance have they now?
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 September 2020, 21:13:15
True, although the requirements were RWD, Petrol, sub £10k...

No mention of longevity or the ability to actually work :D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: SMD on 12 September 2020, 22:15:08
Thanks Al  ;D

I think I'll get a Lexus. Reliable at any age
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 September 2020, 22:17:57
You're welcome :D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Viral_Jim on 12 September 2020, 23:54:23
Quattroporte might be in budget... £10k nearly gets you a  VXR8 8)




Which one of the 7 that they sold is so bad to be £10k?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202006200331026

And that's not the cheapest...  :D

My biggest issue with those is the interior. The outside is such a lovely design, sounds amazing! But the inside is ordinary at best.

If I'm going to spend large chunks of my life waiting for the AA man, if want to be in a comfy seat with a nice interior to look at!  :D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 13 September 2020, 10:06:46
I think I'll get a Lexus. Reliable at any age
Thats not the term I was muttering as chrisgixer and I were pulling the gearbox sump off Mrs chrisgixer's Lexus to fix it ;D

Not sure I could live with one, as the 400s smell even more of wee than most old man's cars, and the 200/300s are surprisingly cramped, as they are quite narrow.  You'd need to try out the 200/300s with the family before committing.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Kevin Wood on 13 September 2020, 10:12:30
I think I'll get a Lexus. Reliable at any age
Thats not the term I was muttering as chrisgixer and I were pulling the gearbox sump off Mrs chrisgixer's Lexus to fix it ;D

Not sure I could live with one, as the 400s smell even more of wee than most old man's cars, and the 200/300s are surprisingly cramped, as they are quite narrow.  You'd need to try out the 200/300s with the family before committing.

Yep, test drove a 200 that a mate of mine was considering and it felt horribly cramped. My mate, who's about 6'3, loved it and bought it. :-\

Then again, he is a Tunnie'esque stick insect and I'm.. ermm.. not. :-[
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Nick W on 13 September 2020, 10:20:45

Yep, test drove a 200 that a mate of mine was considering and it felt horribly cramped. My mate, who's about 6'3, loved it and bought it. :-\



It's no different to a 3-series of the same age. Which is hardly surprising as they're direct competitors. And it's one of the many reasons small RWD cars died out; by the time you've installed a long engine, gearbox, axle, massive wheels and heating system there is very little space for what should be the most important component - the passengers.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 13 September 2020, 10:25:02

Yep, test drove a 200 that a mate of mine was considering and it felt horribly cramped. My mate, who's about 6'3, loved it and bought it. :-\



It's no different to a 3-series of the same age. Which is hardly surprising as they're direct competitors. And it's one of the many reasons small RWD cars died out; by the time you've installed a long engine, gearbox, axle, massive wheels and heating system there is very little space for what should be the most important component - the passengers.
They are definitely narrower that any 3 series I've been in.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: SMD on 13 September 2020, 18:22:58
I am actually considering the IS300H along with the GS450H. Most RWD cars are not ideal for three in the back due to the transmission tunnel hump and the raised centre seat. Although the Omega has a pretty good rear bench to seat three.

We have a MK2 focus and my kids reckon it's more spacious in the back than in the F30 I had. Not sure I believe that.

Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 23 November 2020, 17:38:35
So, need to drag this one up again, seeing as TBE is needed for storage and distribution of Andy B's produce  :'(
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Rangie on 23 November 2020, 17:51:39
One of our neighbours has just got himself an Audi RS6 sounds & looks very nice in metallic blue, don't know anything about them but looks very purposeful indeed.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: STEMO on 23 November 2020, 17:52:37
What do you replace an Omega with?  Mrs TB's daily, covering about 2k monthly, so rules out anything tasty.

Requirements:
Comfortable mile cruncher, so large saloon
40+ mpg
ideally well over 500m to a tank (one area that became problematic with TBE)
Sludge-o-matic
RWD/AWD/4WD
Good visibility (unlike the x351 XJ, which is a bit crap)
Comfortable for passengers
Sub 100k
Ideally less than £6-7k, unless the car perfectly suits her needs.
DAB + BT streaming. BBC Radio is not conducive to her remaining mild mannered.
A 2.0 diesel jag.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: henryd on 23 November 2020, 18:24:49
So, need to drag this one up again, seeing as TBE is needed for storage and distribution of Andy B's produce  :'(

Talking of AndyB,not seen him on in a while :-[
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: YZ250 on 23 November 2020, 18:53:03
Just had a scoot through Autotrader and the criteria you require really only leaves Jags. As soon as you select RWD, budget of around 9k tops, it limits the choice to BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, with a small handful of Lexus's thrown in.
You don't want a Beemer, you're not a fan of Mercedes, Lexus are too small, so it only leaves the XF, or a private XE/XJ.
There you go, I've narrowed it down for you, you're looking for another Jag.  :y
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: STEMO on 23 November 2020, 19:32:38
Just had a scoot through Autotrader and the criteria you require really only leaves Jags. As soon as you select RWD, budget of around 9k tops, it limits the choice to BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, with a small handful of Lexus's thrown in.
You don't want a Beemer, you're not a fan of Mercedes, Lexus are too small, so it only leaves the XF, or a private XE/XJ.
There you go, I've narrowed it down for you, you're looking for another Jag.  :y
Someone mentioned that a couple of posts ago.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: YZ250 on 23 November 2020, 19:42:35
Just had a scoot through Autotrader and the criteria you require really only leaves Jags. As soon as you select RWD, budget of around 9k tops, it limits the choice to BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, with a small handful of Lexus's thrown in.
You don't want a Beemer, you're not a fan of Mercedes, Lexus are too small, so it only leaves the XF, or a private XE/XJ.
There you go, I've narrowed it down for you, you're looking for another Jag.  :y
Someone mentioned that a couple of posts ago.

I know, I was reiterating what you said.  :y :)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: STEMO on 23 November 2020, 19:45:19
Just had a scoot through Autotrader and the criteria you require really only leaves Jags. As soon as you select RWD, budget of around 9k tops, it limits the choice to BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, with a small handful of Lexus's thrown in.
You don't want a Beemer, you're not a fan of Mercedes, Lexus are too small, so it only leaves the XF, or a private XE/XJ.
There you go, I've narrowed it down for you, you're looking for another Jag.  :y
Someone mentioned that a couple of posts ago.

I know, I was reiterating what you said.  :y :)
Well....you have to say that. Like "That nice STEMO fella was right, again".  ;D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Entwood on 23 November 2020, 19:49:31
Just had a scoot through Autotrader and the criteria you require really only leaves Jags. As soon as you select RWD, budget of around 9k tops, it limits the choice to BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, with a small handful of Lexus's thrown in.
You don't want a Beemer, you're not a fan of Mercedes, Lexus are too small, so it only leaves the XF, or a private XE/XJ.
There you go, I've narrowed it down for you, you're looking for another Jag.  :y

Audi A6 Quattro  ?  I know I went for the allroad version, due to my habit of pulling a tin tent, but it has been reliable, comfortable, cheaper than the Omega to run, has more power and handles better than the Omega ... the only "downside" is it runs on diseasel .. but I'm getting used to that ....  :)
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: YZ250 on 23 November 2020, 20:12:35
Just had a scoot through Autotrader and the criteria you require really only leaves Jags. As soon as you select RWD, budget of around 9k tops, it limits the choice to BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, with a small handful of Lexus's thrown in.
You don't want a Beemer, you're not a fan of Mercedes, Lexus are too small, so it only leaves the XF, or a private XE/XJ.
There you go, I've narrowed it down for you, you're looking for another Jag.  :y

Audi A6 Quattro  ?  I know I went for the allroad version, due to my habit of pulling a tin tent, but it has been reliable, comfortable, cheaper than the Omega to run, has more power and handles better than the Omega ... the only "downside" is it runs on diseasel .. but I'm getting used to that ....  :)

I fully agree with you Nige, as I also drive an Audi A6 Avant.  :y  Lovely comfortable motor even though it runs on 20" rims, economical and quick. No issues with mine either so far touchwood.  :y  TB stated slush box though, which limits the range of available models.  :-\ 
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: YZ250 on 23 November 2020, 20:31:29
Just had a scoot through Autotrader and the criteria you require really only leaves Jags. As soon as you select RWD, budget of around 9k tops, it limits the choice to BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, with a small handful of Lexus's thrown in.
You don't want a Beemer, you're not a fan of Mercedes, Lexus are too small, so it only leaves the XF, or a private XE/XJ.
There you go, I've narrowed it down for you, you're looking for another Jag.  :y
Someone mentioned that a couple of posts ago.

I know, I was reiterating what you said.  :y :)
Well....you have to say that. Like "That nice STEMO fella was right, again".  ;D

Ok, busted.  ;D  I read what you'd written but had forgotten it two posts later.   ;D  :y
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 24 November 2020, 09:57:03
I know of a nice 2 year old high spec XE petrol with low miles, service plan, years warranty left, just serviced etc  :y

Out of budget though
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 24 November 2020, 17:14:54
I know of a nice 2 year old high spec XE petrol with low miles, service plan, years warranty left, just serviced etc  :y

Out of budget though
I suspect at 80 miles a day, she's going to need more economy than her driving style would get from a petrol.

And, yes, way out of budget.  Only very early XE with 80k plus on come in on budget
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: VXL V6 on 24 November 2020, 17:40:26
TB, When you finally settle on an XF keep me posted on what you think of it  ;D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 24 November 2020, 17:44:19
TB, When you finally settle on an XF keep me posted on what you think of it  ;D
I nicked one of Josh's a before I got the XJ.  I quite liked it, made me actually consider Jaguar as a viable replacement.

I might have ragged the tits off it as well, don't tell him ;D
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 24 November 2020, 17:44:49
But this isn't for me, its for Mrs TB.
Title: Re: So, back to the age old question
Post by: TheBoy on 24 November 2020, 17:45:31
Although she is now saying she likes the look of a Barbie Bus, so god help us all.