Topic: Ncdr help (Read 2539 times)

V6MILLS · « **on:** 13 February 2011, 20:48:20 »

Ok i have an ncdr fitted to my car and the screen went dead so i replaced the lcd part of the cid.

It displayed the opel badge after the new lcd was installed. So took it to VX and they changed the opel logo for the VX one. Now my display flashes up SAFE DISPLAY every 5 seconds. I can still use the full features like cdc, cd, bc, nav ect ect it just gets interupted every 5 seconds with the above message.

Anyone got any ideas?

TheBoy · « **Reply #1 on:** 13 February 2011, 21:20:47 »

LOL, sounds like you changed the entire CID, not just the LCD panel.

If thats right, you need to refit original screen, depair with the original pairing code, refit new screen, repair. Or simply swap the failed component (LCD panel, or the inverter board)

V6MILLS · « **Reply #2 on:** 13 February 2011, 21:32:43 »

The lcd part is all that got replaced.

It was the sharps LQ5AW126 lcd replacement screen

TheBoy · « **Reply #3 on:** 13 February 2011, 21:51:58 »

Did you do it yourself? As changing the LCD wouldn't affect the logo, and wouldn't affect the security.

I am assuming it worked fine before....

V6MILLS · « **Reply #4 on:** 13 February 2011, 21:54:09 »

Correct. And no didnt do it my self.

Is there anything that could effect preset codes on the replacement screen? As when i open the replacement there is a multiplug and circuit board.

TheBoy · « **Reply #5 on:** 13 February 2011, 22:00:48 »

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Correct. And no didnt do it my self.

Is there anything that could effect preset codes on the replacement screen? As when i open the replacement there is a multiplug and circuit board.

I suspect you didn't get you're screen back then. Or they wiped the EEPROM.

V6MILLS · « **Reply #6 on:** 13 February 2011, 22:09:13 »

I bought the replacement my self. And took it to a auto electrition who replaced it for me. I got my cid back and the old screen.

Is it possible for a "decent" auto electrition to read the ncdr epprom to get the code to put the code onto the cid.

Or can vauxhall locate the code using a car reg number?

TheBoy · « **Reply #7 on:** 13 February 2011, 22:14:19 »

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I bought the replacement my self. And took it to a auto electrition who replaced it for me. I got my cid back and the old screen.

Is it possible for a "decent" auto electrition to read the ncdr epprom to get the code to put the code onto the cid.

Or can vauxhall locate the code using a car reg number?

Thats unlucky.

Do you have a CDC3 as part of the NCDR setup? Its unlikely you can get a working code from Vauxhall, and I suspect each attempt will be £20 - £50, and you can't tell its right until the point of tech2'ing.

V6MILLS · « **Reply #8 on:** 13 February 2011, 22:16:04 »

Yes i have a cdc3 tb in my setup. Which works with my ncdr perfectly.

Safe display means the cid is in an unpaired state doesnt it?

The auto electrition i know of has tech2 and eprom.

TheBoy · « **Reply #9 on:** 13 February 2011, 22:32:17 »

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Yes i have a cdc3 tb in my setup. Which works with my ncdr perfectly.

That gives an option

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Safe display means the cid is in an unpaired state doesnt it?

It means the display has not managed to negotiate the security, not just it may not have a code. It could have a wrong code.

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The auto electrition i know of has tech2 and eprom.

But not the knowledge I suspect.

What concerns me is that this has happened, supposedly, during an LCD replacement. I do struggle to understand how that could happen. Changing the LCD is very easy, it shouldn't need to go anywhere near a tech2. I really am struggling to see how any config could have got changed. I am suspicious we don't know the full story here.

Do you trust this guy? Is he compitent (I always hear alarm bells when I here the phrase Auto Electrician)?

Something is amiss here.

I have invested a considerable sum of time and money in understanding/cracking this system. I am unable to give people that information, nor am I in a position to fix the coding issues for free

In this case, can you get a code reader on the cid, go to Live Data, and find out the Security status:

Delivery Mode
I.D. OK
I.D.NOK

On Tech2 Live data, its the setting below the battery voltage.

V6MILLS · « **Reply #10 on:** 13 February 2011, 22:43:28 »

Even in the event of an incorrect code can it be changed to match my cdc3 / ncdr code?

Do i need my cdc3 read to get my code?

The auto electection i will go to never replaced te screen. So i have more faith in these people to check it out for me.

The unit was bought from a scraped car. I installed it all, and the screen didnt work. So after searching the internet i found the lcd replacemet was a sharps item. I bought the replacement lcd and had it changed. It worked but the screen displayed as an opel screen. A trip to VX sorted that out but now it has display safe

V6MILLS · « **Reply #11 on:** 14 February 2011, 06:27:59 »

I have checked german ebay for an unpaired replacement cid. There are a few on for about £200.

Before i buy one .. Can my cdc3 be read to aquire my systems code ?

TheBoy · « **Reply #12 on:** 14 February 2011, 08:45:21 »

So, the bit where you said it worked before you replaced the screen should have been you assumed it worked. Thats were the confusion about the situation happened

I have a method of retrieving the pairing code from the CDC3, but given that you don't know if that is correctly paired to the NCDR and TELEMATICS, it may or may not be of help.

Do you ever get a message saying RADIO SAFE

TheBoy · « **Reply #13 on:** 14 February 2011, 08:46:22 »

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I have checked german ebay for an unpaired replacement cid. There are a few on for about £200.

Before i buy one .. Can my cdc3 be read to aquire my systems code ?

Before doing that, isn't it worth checking what state your CID is in?

Dave DND · « **Reply #14 on:** 14 February 2011, 09:03:11 »

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What concerns me is that this has happened, supposedly, during an LCD replacement. I do struggle to understand how that could happen. Changing the LCD is very easy, it shouldn't need to go anywhere near a tech2. I really am struggling to see how any config could have got changed. I am suspicious we don't know the full story here.

Do you trust this guy? Is he compitent (I always hear alarm bells when I here the phrase Auto Electrician)?

Something is amiss here.

I too smell a very big furry rodent here :-/

However, I can put the CID back into delivery mode

http://www.dndservices.co.uk/vauxhall-cid-display-kj.html

V6MILLS · « **Reply #15 on:** 14 February 2011, 12:53:21 »

I only get display safe. I do not get radio safe. I can use the cdc3 and ncdr1100 perfectly and use sat nav and cd player and bc functions ect. so there codes must be fine. Its just the screen.

I have it booked into a trusted auto electrical shop next week. So any advise to pass over to them would help.

TheBoy · « **Reply #16 on:** 14 February 2011, 13:03:18 »

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I only get display safe. I do not get radio safe. I can use the cdc3 and ncdr1100 perfectly and use sat nav and cd player and bc functions ect. so there codes must be fine. Its just the screen.

I have it booked into a trusted auto electrical shop next week. So any advise to pass over to them would help.

Thats a very dangerous, potentially expensive assumption.

If it was a known good setup before, and nobody has mixed and matched parts without using proper procedures, I'd say post it all to me. But the screen oddity is, err, an oddity.

When it comes to the security around these, I suspect I probably know more than anyone else outside of Siemens. What I won't do is desolder the chips, as there is a risk of damage that I am not prepared to take with other people's stuff, esp as I have to charge for decodes.

V6MILLS · « **Reply #17 on:** 14 February 2011, 13:20:02 »

How much would you charge to sort this out for me? Providing its just the display? I think my display is KK (vectra b).

Like said before ncdr code and cdc3 must be pairded together ok as they work. I no if cdc3 has incorrect code the ncdr will not think its there? And ncdr will flash radio safe if its code is incorrect?

TheBoy · « **Reply #18 on:** 14 February 2011, 13:44:37 »

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How much would you charge to sort this out for me? Providing its just the display? I think my display is KK (vectra b).

Like said before ncdr code and cdc3 must be pairded together ok as they work. I no if cdc3 has incorrect code the ncdr will not think its there? And ncdr will flash radio safe if its code is incorrect?

So the fuel computer figures are all inaccurate as well (or has that been fixed?)

Where are you? No doubt a million miles from me.

If you come to me, my prices are http://theboy.omegaowners.com/tech2/prices.shtml - so £50 for the code discovery and depair/re-pair. I'll do the BC config as well.

If the screen has a code that is unknown and does not match the NCDR and CDC, then you need to added Dave DND's charges on top, as I said earlier, the risk of damage if I lift that chip is too high - Dave DND has the correct equipment for that.

V6MILLS · « **Reply #19 on:** 14 February 2011, 14:24:53 »

That site (dave) only does kj cids not kk??

And im s.shields. Im at peterborough on friday collecting a spares or repairs car. Im willing to send my setup but how long will it take from receipt your end?

P/s i need bc configed to a vectra b x25xe/y26se. And i need bose activated.

Dave DND · « **Reply #20 on:** 14 February 2011, 15:03:32 »

I can also do the KK CIDs from the Vectra

same price

V6MILLS · « **Reply #21 on:** 14 February 2011, 15:11:18 »

Perfect thanks

TheBoy · « **Reply #22 on:** 14 February 2011, 18:16:23 »

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That site (dave) only does kj cids not kk??

And im s.shields. Im at peterborough on friday collecting a spares or repairs car. Im willing to send my setup but how long will it take from receipt your end?

P/s i need bc configed to a vectra b x25xe/y26se. And i need bose activated.

Ah, its going back in a Veccy B? What was the engine it came out from?

V6MILLS · « **Reply #23 on:** 14 February 2011, 21:09:25 »

It came from a vectra b 2.2 dti.. And is going into a vectra b 2.6 v6.

Can you still do this for me? Im willing to post my setup to you.

TheBoy · « **Reply #24 on:** 14 February 2011, 21:55:15 »

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It came from a vectra b 2.2 dti.. And is going into a vectra b 2.6 v6.

Can you still do this for me? Im willing to post my setup to you.

Before you potentially waste time and money, can you find out the status of the screen - you said you have access to Tech2

pscocoa · « **Reply #25 on:** 14 February 2011, 22:09:45 »

After nearly 4 years no problems on a CID I bought off German Ebay the gremlins have returned.

Tonight the screen was inverted and then went grey. A sharp smack on the dash and is working again.

I suspect I need a new TFT screen, however, I still have the original CID and so if anyone a) has the source of the TFT Screen and/or b) would like to fit it then would be good. My contacts for getting hold of the TFTs are quite old now.

When I get the original (now spare unit) fixed I can then get the one currently in the car sorted as well. Thought things were going too smoothly.

V6MILLS · « **Reply #26 on:** 14 February 2011, 22:19:20 »

Can i find out without a tech 2? ("My Naff Code Reader") as i would have to book into vx or auto electection to get it on a tech 2.

I will have to wire the diagnostic pin into the ncdr.. Which pin on a standard radio harness is the diagnostic pin?

pscocoa · « **Reply #27 on:** 14 February 2011, 22:27:44 »

In 2007 best thing I did was visit TB at Brackley - who, with Tech 2, identified fault with the replacement screen which I then returned to Germany and got it replaced. Tech 2 essential but VX dealers are not reliable with this stuff. When they refitted the replacement they forgot to attach the grey cable at the back which I think is the Sat Nav.

VXL V6 · « **Reply #28 on:** 15 February 2011, 12:59:02 »

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Can i find out without a tech 2? ("My Naff Code Reader") as i would have to book into vx or auto electection to get it on a tech 2.

I will have to wire the diagnostic pin into the ncdr.. Which pin on a standard radio harness is the diagnostic pin?

Depends which vehicle

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