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Title: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 20 April 2020, 07:14:23
I have a question.
The client I am currently milking, for my living, is making lots of permies redundant and will get rid of contractors as soon as possible. I've been working from home for 4.5 weeks. So I applied for 3 jobs in Nuclear Subs in Derby and Barrow.
Given that my SC clearance lapsed about 18 months ago, I'd have a 12 week wait, but i guess as my house isn't approved for Official sensitive documents I would have to work on site.
But see no reason to travel for an interview.
I wonder if they'll agree to do interview via Skype or webex.
I await the agencies reading my very carefully tailored CV.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 April 2020, 08:07:09
Video interviews aren't a new concept.

I wouldn't jump until you're told your position is definitely canned...

Not jumping and not applying are two different things, but get the boat at the quayside before stepping off...
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Viral_Jim on 20 April 2020, 09:28:30
What DG said, we're running an entire graduate assessment centre over video link on Wednesday.

If they can make Nuclear Subs sink, then a skype interview should not be beyond them! That said, my dad has worked a couple of contracts on Raynesway and never ceases to be amazed by the state of their office technology.  ;D
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Andy B on 20 April 2020, 10:11:41
What DG said, we're running an entire graduate assessment centre over video link on Wednesday.

If they can make Nuclear Subs sink, then a skype interview should not be beyond them! That said, my dad has worked a couple of contracts on Raynesway and never ceases to be amazed by the state of their office technology.  ;D

I'd have thought making it sink is the easy bit .... making it surface again is the harder bit  ;) ;) :y
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 April 2020, 10:32:08
What DG said, we're running an entire graduate assessment centre over video link on Wednesday.

If they can make Nuclear Subs sink, then a skype interview should not be beyond them! That said, my dad has worked a couple of contracts on Raynesway and never ceases to be amazed by the state of their office technology.  ;D

I'd have thought making it sink is the easy bit .... making it surface again is the harder bit  ;) ;) :y
Just pump it full of air... If you can make enough...  :D
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Andy B on 20 April 2020, 10:39:07
....
Just pump it full of air... If you can make enough...  :D

I know ....  ::)

But you need to dive with enough air to get you back to 'the roof' again .... and if you loose it all at the bottom then you're Donald Ducked!
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 April 2020, 10:52:26
Bubbles (https://youtu.be/yvuOtlpSAeY)
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Viral_Jim on 20 April 2020, 12:20:23
Michael Jackson's favourite song I understand.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 20 April 2020, 21:38:29
Spoke to a recruitment person or 3 today. Barrow looking for lots of Manufacturing Engineers and have offered without bothering to interview.
Apparently background checks will be a bottle neck. I can wait.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Viral_Jim on 20 April 2020, 21:53:35
Nice to know you've got one in the pocket :y
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 20 April 2020, 22:04:16
Spoke to a recruitment person or 3 today. Barrow looking for lots of Manufacturing Engineers and have offered other people in the past without bothering to interview.
Apparently background checks will be a bottle neck. I can wait.

Let me clarify that.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 23 April 2020, 20:27:12
Well, not unexpectedly I had THE call from my current hiring manager.
My last day is 1st MAY. 
I'll be Furloughing myself through my Ltd company whilst I attempt to obtain paying work. 

So if anyone needs a Chartered Manufacturing Engineer, 6 Sigma Black Belt and Lean Specialist, whose skills lie in procurement and Introduction of Assembly and Test Equipment let me know. Experience in Automotive, Aerospace, Nuclear, and Defence

For a small to medium company I'd happily do some freelance improvement work with payment on results.

Anyway, wife says I should have a few weeks off and chill.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: deviator on 24 April 2020, 09:46:12
Michael Jackson's favourite song I understand.

Well he was constantly playing with it.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 April 2020, 10:14:36
Well, not unexpectedly I had THE call from my current hiring manager.
My last day is 1st MAY. 
I'll be Furloughing myself through my Ltd company whilst I attempt to obtain paying work. 

So if anyone needs a Chartered Manufacturing Engineer, 6 Sigma Black Belt and Lean Specialist, whose skills lie in procurement and Introduction of Assembly and Test Equipment let me know. Experience in Automotive, Aerospace, Nuclear, and Defence

For a small to medium company I'd happily do some freelance improvement work with payment on results.

Anyway, wife says I should have a few weeks off and chill.
You need to have any job lined up by the end of the week. Doesn't matter what it is, but waiting will only limit the opportunities and won't keep the bills paid.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 29 April 2020, 03:40:59
I have applied for everything I am qualified for.

My whole outlook for the future is bleak it seems.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 April 2020, 05:17:18
Only you can limit yourself.

No shame in cleaning toilets to put food on the table.

Or, to put that another way, if honest work is beneath you, you deserve to be unemployed...
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 01 May 2020, 17:22:25
Only you can limit yourself.

No shame in cleaning toilets to put food on the table.

Or, to put that another way, if honest work is beneath you, you deserve to be unemployed...
  did I make it seem like that.  Oh no. I might be miserable occassionally.
I'm not afraid of work at minimum wage.
My contract finishes today, and on Monday I will furlough myself through my limited company.  Given that I didn't have a great last year, I'm taking a little time off.  However, my understanding is that as long as I don't work via my LTD company i can go paye or umbrella, or even self employed whilst I wait for "Real work"

In other news an Engineering company has taken my details and has put me forward for a job I've done previously at a factory that makes new clear reactors for BAE in Derby. I've filled in the security forms and they seem to think  it will be  4 weeks to get clearance.
 Not wanting to be a miserable git and it's not in the bag by any means, but they've decided it's inside IR35 and I can't do it via my LTD company.  Also I'd rather like it to be 8 weeks.  There's no possibility of remote working, so it presents a few other issues.  But hey it's possitive.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 01 May 2020, 17:29:49
Positive news :y
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Viral_Jim on 02 May 2020, 00:01:18
Glad to hear you have found something. A lot of companies' approach to IR35 had been both lazy and short sighted. My dad and two of his friends were doing config for Airbus down in Filton, overnight they wanted him to go page, suddenly his commuting, B&B etc all became non tax deductible.

Consequently, being as it is a free market economy, they all quit, because the job was no longer viable. Fortunately, being 67 and with a house to renovate, my dad doesn't need the work immediately, our family friends, not so fortunate :-\

I'm not sure what IR35 was trying to achieve, beyond some political stunt, but I'm reasonably sure it hasn't done it.  ::)
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 02 May 2020, 22:53:50
The problem in the near future is the news that RR are going with 8000 redundancies in the UK.
Now the unions will want Aerospace People to be able to transfer to nuclear, so i reckon that if I manage to get in the door, it might be cut short, when the redundancies are more clear in civil engines.
As far as IR35 goes, it's designed because there's a perception that people like me are doing the same job as people in the next week, are being paid twice as much and paying half the tax.
It's all very well, but once you factor in pension, insurance, accountancy, lack of sick pay, the one week notice period, and the fact that to do it you really need to be flexible on location, which means travel expences, it's sometimes not as clear cut as you might imagine. 
What I hate about IR35 is umbrellor companies and the creation of a new employment group.  The zero rights employee. 
At the end of the day, though if there's not much work, anything is better than nothing.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 07 May 2020, 07:47:54
Or not bleak.  RC phoned yesterday to say the hiring manager has been having to work part time as they have kids and his wife works in a hospital, but he wants a telephone interview next week. I said "Any time, just need 1 hours notice"
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: STEMO on 07 May 2020, 10:52:53
Or not bleak.  RC phoned yesterday to say the hiring manager has been having to work part time as they have kids and his wife works in a hospital, but he wants a telephone interview next week. I said "Any time, just need 1 hours notice"
For the interview or to start work?  ;D
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 07 May 2020, 19:49:53
Interview.  The later I start work the better.   I haven't had enough holiday last year or the year before. And I have a few jobs to do around the house.
He seems to think, that security would be 3 to 4  weeks. 

I have a house in Uttoxeter I can live in. During the week.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: BazaJT on 07 May 2020, 21:33:26
Best of luck with your interview,hope it turns out well for you :y :y
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 May 2020, 21:17:02
Best of luck with your interview,hope it turns out well for you :y :y

^^This^^  :y

All the best of British Pod!  :)
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 08 June 2020, 23:45:39
Well it's not going well.
Derby job is on hold.
Barrow job is still live, but they've had no feedback.  They think it will be July before they get any.
I have applied for every permie and contract job, which I'm qualified for from Glasgow to Leicester and across to Worcester.
Feedback ?  We usually get 3 applicants. We've had 300.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/logicalimprovementprojects.

So am furloughed via my LTD company, have deferred my VAT and applied for the business bounce back loan.

Some days I think I've woken up in a surreal dream.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 08 June 2020, 23:56:46
Borrowing twice from the government won't help any...

Plenty of work out there, but you have to want to do it ;)

https://www.cv-library.co.uk/job/107861355/Armature-Winder for example...
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 12 June 2020, 23:37:33
Thanks.  I have applied for that and 10 other jobs this week so far.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 18 June 2020, 20:59:54
Borrowing twice from the government won't help any...

Plenty of work out there, but you have to want to do it ;)

https://www.cv-library.co.uk/job/107861355/Armature-Winder for example...

Now, that says £14 an hour. Not much less than I was making when I had a permanent job 11 years ago. The problem is: Are they really going to take a chartered engineer seriously? I've lied and said I know how to wind armatures. (I know how to wind solenoid bobbins though)
Feel free to connect with me
https://www.linkedin.com/in/logicalimprovementprojects

Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 June 2020, 21:13:07
I've just applied for a 20% pay cut, just in case I get made redundant in the next month or so... but it is a job I had an interview for last year.

You can either grumble at stagnant wages, (which aren't a new concept in the real world when wages froze in response to Poland joining the EU), or get to work.

£594 pm universal credit will be less than ANY job you can do, regardless of qualification.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 19 June 2020, 22:35:44
Had a nice phone call this morning, from an agency I last spoke to in October last year. 
I have a contract waiting pending security clearance in Barrow in Furness. No interview required. No start date, because all security clearance is on hold.  But most likely October or November.
Hourly rate is enough to cover accomodation and petrol on a 3.2 MV6.  Might have to fit that tow bar ive had in the shed for 3 years, and buy a caravan to live in during the week. We will see.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 19 June 2020, 22:44:16
Good news  :y

I would probably find something to do as a stop gap just in case it gets pushed back ;)

Won't hurt to remain used to the idea of going to work...
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 20 June 2020, 12:33:15
Good news  :y

I would probably find something to do as a stop gap just in case it gets pushed back ;)

Won't hurt to remain used to the idea of going to work...

Definately. 
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: YZ250 on 20 June 2020, 12:40:41
Good news  :y

I would probably find something to do as a stop gap just in case it gets pushed back ;)

Won't hurt to remain used to the idea of going to work...

Definately.

Good news hopefully then, hope it all pans out well for you in these uncertain times.  :y
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 20 June 2020, 13:03:34
Good news  :y

I would probably find something to do as a stop gap just in case it gets pushed back ;)

Won't hurt to remain used to the idea of going to work...

Definately.

Good news hopefully then, hope it all pans out well for you in these uncertain times.  :y

I started applying for permie jobs and saw 2 that I'd really be interested in, and put my all into the applications, so in the unlikely event that I got an offer on those, I might do some man maths.  It's not all about the hourly rate (although money is the primary reason to go to work) , but if they paid enough, I might change direction.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 16 July 2020, 22:36:36
So, 4 weeks ago I found out I've got a contract in Barrow. No interview required £45 an hour.
No start date, because SC clearance is taking forever.  But October to December.
I did the paperwork, and then 3 weeks ago I had a heart attack.  2 nights in Southport and then off to Broad green for an angiagram and a stent.
Last week I had to.go to A&E because heart rate was 38 at rest.  They took me off the beta blockers.
It's back to a more normal 50 at rest.
So I have 3 months at least to get back to full strength
. Gradually got to increase my exercise.
It's got me thinking about the whole point of life though.
Anyway, if a permie job came up close to home, I'd go for it.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Rangie on 17 July 2020, 08:23:52
Something like that would certainly set you thinking , life really is far too short, the pandemic made my mind up to retire completely from the Prison Service, I had every intention of carrying on until 2022 but after shielding for 12 weeks decided that it was simply not worth the risk. No regrets whatsoever miss some of my colleagues & the banter but not the job, hope you recover fully & wish you well on the job front but try to avoid any stress.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: hotel21 on 18 July 2020, 20:42:03
Something like that would certainly set you thinking , life really is far too short...............

That is so true.

A bit of a back story coming but hopefully will add a personal facet to the needing/wanting/having to work once you reach a certain time of life.

As some know (but others not) I had a cardiac arrest on the outside lane of the local motorway whilst attending a 4 car shunt of an evening rush hour (Trafpol) in 2006.  Fortunately, I dropped dead 15 feet from the back doors of the ambo sent to the crash.  No memory of actually hitting the deck but I was jump started and awoke in the back with paramedics working on me and wired from top to toe.  I was just turned 48 years old.  5 stents and now medicated to the eyeballs for forseable time to come.

I medically retired in 2008 and the intervening two years or so found me in a bit of a dark place for a bit.  The forum did a great assist in getting my head squared up but life can still be a rollercoaster, mentally, even now.

What I did settle in my mind is that life, is, too short.

I got a wee job driving for a LR main dealer up and down the UK delivering cars.  No stress as such, minimum wage, driving nice cars to and from generally nice people.  Lasted 10 years then had enough.  Even prestige dealers chase the shillings to the detriment of honest customers.  I couldn’t continue to tell untruths to good people on why their car was late/not fixed/ripped off so told garage to stick it.

I now drive weekday mornings for a local dental lab, collecting and delivering false teeth and crowns etc.  Groundhog Day but it gets me up and pays for the shopping of a weekend.  No stress, take my time and I watch the seasons change.

I’m lucky that I have a police pension (all my own contributions, not a brass washer from HMG) but more importantly, I don’t ‘have’ to work. 

Took a lot of adjustment within the family circle and finances obviously but I feel so much better for it.

Bottom line is, do the sums financially, mentally and most importantly, gauge your time.

We walk this path once so best admire the view when you can.  No windows in a box!

Ps - hotel two one was the call sign for the company car I most enjoyed driving in my police time.  Around St. Andrews and the fishing villages of the east neuk of Fife.  A lovely part of the world that I would heartily recommend (see what I did there?) for a visit.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 18 July 2020, 20:57:28
Quite similar to the story of my lifelong best  friend. We both cam over to Essex together in 79, but he didnt setle and went back to Belfast in 1980.
Jobs were scarce over there at the time, so to my amazement he joined the RUC. A good contender for the worlds most stessful and risky job at the time. He loved the job and camaraderie that came with it.
In the early 90,s he keeled over in the Police station with a massive heart attack. Iirc he was just into his 40,s.
Medically retired not long after and took a job transporting light bulbs around in a van for an electrical distributor, just to stop himself going mad.
A few years later, his wife (a divisional commander in Belfast  police) retired and they bought a little wedding car busines, which they run in a non stressful way to suit themselves.
He used to be the most highly strung person I knew. He is now the most relaxed. His hobby is driving his restored Citreon 2cv very slowly around the local lanes.
Point being, he has also learned the lesson that life is too short and we need to take time to focus on really importent things, slow down, and take time to smell the roses, as it were.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: STEMO on 18 July 2020, 22:01:41
Thank you, both.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 25 July 2020, 09:28:23
Update time.

Had a phone call out of the blue from another contractor is worked with 5 years ago, and he's moved on a bit, gone into partnership and us 4 years into a start up company that does robotics for military and nuclear.
Needs a project manager, and to implement ISo 9001, both of which I can do.
He would be happy for me to start off 2 days a week (I'm thinking 4 mornings a week) from the middle of August, and ramp up to 4 days a week by end of October.
75% of the time remotely, the rest in the office.
Outside IR35 at a rate that's not much lower than going to Barrow in Furness, but commutable from my second home. 
Had a chat with Cardiac Rehab team and GP, and they are happy that as long as I don't do anything too strenuous or stressful, the gradual transition into full time, is a great opportunity. 
I've signed an NDA and I've got some stuff to read, before any thing is signed.
As an aside, I need to get my omega started and it will need a new exhaust before too long.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 25 July 2020, 11:28:05
Good news Mr POD!  :y

Take it steady though.  :)
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: hotel21 on 25 July 2020, 12:04:32
That's good news. 

Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 July 2020, 14:51:50
Fingers crossed  :y
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Rangie on 25 July 2020, 15:33:01
Great news but take it steady , everything happens for a reason take heed and the future will be rosy.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Kevin Wood on 25 July 2020, 17:12:24
Sounds like a perfect fit and some light at the end of the tunnel.

Hope it goes well. :y
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 13 October 2020, 10:18:03
Update. 

So I'm on week 11, gradually ramped up to full time, one day in the office, (Near the M69), the rest from home, (140 miles north of the office) 
With Liverpool Level 3 Lockdown  imminent, it's not a "great" idea to be travelling out of Sefton Borough so I've had a discussion with them and they are okay with me here.  I'm project managing 2 projects with MOD and USAF, and fitting in the ISO 9001 stuff. Clearance is baseline security. 

The Barrow contract ?  Finally today (exactly 1 year since I applied) BAE Systems have sent NSVS links for me to start to obtain SC clearance (I had it once but it lapsed).  Had a conversation with the people who've been paying me for 10 weeks, and they said, the clearance would be useful, and it's transferable (and they haven't got the clout with the MOD that BAE have), so may as well submit it.   Not quite sure how I'd actually do a contract in Barrow when the rules appear to say that I shouldn't stay overnight out of the area. 


Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 October 2020, 10:27:13
That's the sort of rule that's written by people who don't understand weekly commuting or shift/night work.

Obviously staying in a hotel would be questionable and possibly against the level 3 rules, but then so would non essential work :-\
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 13 October 2020, 12:49:33
That's the sort of rule that's written by people who don't understand weekly commuting or shift/night work.

Obviously staying in a hotel would be questionable and possibly against the level 3 rules, but then so would non essential work :-\

Is working on a nuclear submarine essential ? Some might say not.  The man I was 25 years ago might be unimpressed at how I'm prepared to change my principles for cold hard cash.

I have a tow bar (in the shed) so it was always going to be a case of caravan (which I don't own) or s-h(it)otel.  It's only 2 hours drive.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 October 2020, 14:19:33
That's called growing up ::)

Notwithstanding, I assume that you read the Official Secrets Act before you signed it :-X
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 13 October 2020, 16:40:29
That's called growing up ::)

Notwithstanding, I assume that you read the Official Secrets Act before you signed it :-X

I've signed it in 1985, 1989, 1995, 2000, 2009, 2015 and again in 2020.

Aparently I'm due ITAR training (again)
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Kevin Wood on 13 October 2020, 19:23:51
That's called growing up ::)

Notwithstanding, I assume that you read the Official Secrets Act before you signed it :-X

Not that "signing it" is a thing anyway... ;)
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 15 October 2020, 14:23:03
That's called growing up ::)

Notwithstanding, I assume that you read the Official Secrets Act before you signed it :-X

Not that "signing it" is a thing anyway... ;)

I'm almost certain that at one client, I signed to say I'd read it, and on leaving had to sign to say I understood I was still covered by it.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Kevin Wood on 15 October 2020, 18:50:00
That's called growing up ::)

Notwithstanding, I assume that you read the Official Secrets Act before you signed it :-X

Not that "signing it" is a thing anyway... ;)

I'm almost certain that at one client, I signed to say I'd read it, and on leaving had to sign to say I understood I was still covered by it.

That's more probable. ;)
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 03 December 2020, 05:35:07
So, 2 things happened.
1) BAe Systems are now holding SC clearance in my name. Agency have asked when id like to start.
2) The small company I've been contracting for since March are expanding rapidly. I've been told they want me to think about making my role with them.more permanent,

So a simple calc on a spreadsheet shows that going permanent requires a much higher rate, than they currently pay me, if I want The same money. 
Life isn't that simple. I'd like a shareholding, and could live with a lower income if there was a potential dividend or a buy out by a big firm.
And this year whilst being exceptionally weird has proved that being a contractor isn't always great. First time in 11 years where I had more than a few weeks off between contracts. Plus the IR35 ballocks that's going to opps it up big style.  (That BAE gig, will be Umbrellor PAYE, and that makes a big dent....)

So thinking about options.
1) Suggest a salary and write my own job spec for that.
2) Suggest a lower salary but include shares in the deal.
3) Suggest a lower salary, shares and offer to invest for a seat on the board.

Because of my personally and the general imposter syndrome, I'm struggling with it. Plus my CAT died the other day.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: STEMO on 03 December 2020, 06:43:22
You have obviously been in the game and proved yourself for quite a few years now, so don't let the impostor syndrome hold you back. Think big, be cheeky even, with your ideas for your current employer. If it doesn't go well, you've always got the second option.
Sorry about your cat. :'(
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 17 June 2021, 08:59:57
Long time, need to update this.
Firstly, wife's dad died in November. Cat died in December, wife's mother died in Februrary.
Agency for BAE have got a bit impatient. And I need to give them a start date.
My current client, have continued to prefer me to work from home, due to a small office, but the discussions on my future, put a permie job offer, well in the "yeah, I can see where you got that figure from, but no"
That is the earlier discussions where ballocks.
They continue to pay me, and I'm now getting into thier office about once a fortnight. But I'm a touch bored. And demotivated.
So the other day an ex boss contacted me via LinkedIn.
He is looking for a permie guy to be his operational excellence director. I asked over the phone why he was thinking of me, and he described Someone I barely recognise.
I mean, my mojo, is clearly a bit lost along the way.
Anyway. The long and the short of it, he's the UK MD. His boss in the states wants to interview me on zoom, with a view to me working for the UK MD.
It's at a level that I've never quite attained, but with a boss that always got the very best out of me.
Salary, plus pension, car etc. Would be more after Tax than I've had as a contractor.
Woukd have to spend 4 days near Spagetti Junction, but that's 55 mins drive from.my second home.
Spoke to wife about our aspirations, and she's encouraging me.  For her it's not about the money, but about me feeling like I'm making a difference.
So Tuesday afternoon, I need to prepare.
I also need to tell BAE that I'm not working inside IR35 ever, if only to help them see the error of their ways and help other contractors.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 17 June 2021, 10:40:06
Sounds like a very positive development. Good luck!  :y
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: STEMO on 17 June 2021, 11:33:14
You can do this, and you know you can. If you don't buck your ideas up, next time I'm visiting mother in Aintree, I'll drive up the road and kick your arse!  ;D
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 17 June 2021, 12:54:05
You can do this, and you know you can. If you don't buck your ideas up, next time I'm visiting mother in Aintree, I'll drive up the road and kick your arse!  ;D

Omegod will give you my address.  :)
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 17 June 2021, 13:49:55
Just found out that a bloke that I used to sit next to at Lucas Industries in the early half of the 1990s, was the MD until a month ago and my old boss was head of quality and has been promoted to MD and immediately phoned me. 
I'll keep that one quiet then.
Worked it out on linkedin.
Small world is engineering.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 June 2021, 14:01:34
Get doing ;) Opportunities like that don't hang around, especially if they've called you. You obviously made an impression on him that stuck. Don't prove them wrong :y

Incidentally that's pretty much how I got my current job...

Happened to bump into a chap had I worked with 20 years ago, who suggested giving another chap I worked with at the same time, who happened to now be his boss. Interview three weeks later and the only questions were 'is what's being offered acceptable? And when can you start?'
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Andy B on 17 June 2021, 17:33:45
Go for it and good luck  :y :y :y
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 24 June 2021, 06:20:48
Teams interview didn't exactly go as planned.
3 people interviewing. Despite being.primed and well prepared, the issue for me was that the bug bods on the states was taking the 5 page job description and focusing on the parts of it that I have little experience of and which in previous discussions with.my old boss were not the parts of the job he wanted me to focus on.
I felt somewhat strained, and out of my depth at times.
I expect that the final say comes from.the top man and not the person who wants me and that if be working for.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 04 August 2021, 21:50:06
So, they decided (rightly) that the role wasn't right for me, but then contacted me 2 weeks ago, and asked me if I'd be interested in a different role. Come in and have a look at the around and discuss it, and if you like it, we can arrange interviews the following week. Didn't quite work out like that. Had a chat with the MD, my old boss, and 2 of his managers. Then a trip round the factory floor, and then he left me, with the 2 managers to have a chat.
Or interview ? Phones me on Saturday afternoon.
Job offer. Am I allowed to discuss money?
It's enough. More than I was expecting. Transferring from contracting via a LTD company to a permie PayE role, has some interesting tax implications. That it I'll pay more.
Now looking to side line the omega, into classic status and get something sensible for the stupid commute.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Andy B on 04 August 2021, 22:14:24
So, they decided (rightly) that the role wasn't right for me, but then contacted me 2 weeks ago, and asked me if I'd be interested in a different role. Come in and have a look at the around and discuss it, and if you like it, we can arrange interviews the following week. Didn't quite work out like that. Had a chat with the MD, my old boss, and 2 of his managers. Then a trip round the factory floor, and then he left me, with the 2 managers to have a chat.
Or interview ? Phones me on Saturday afternoon.
Job offer. Am I allowed to discuss money?
It's enough. More than I was expecting. Transferring from contracting via a LTD company to a permie PayE role, has some interesting tax implications. That it I'll pay more.
Now looking to side line the omega, into classic status and get something sensible for the stupid commute.

 :y :y Congratulations!  :y :y
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: ronnyd on 04 August 2021, 22:18:12
Nice one Pod.  :y
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 August 2021, 22:47:00
Congrats :y

Being Paye gives some security too ;)
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 05 August 2021, 05:05:24
Congrats :y

Being Paye gives some security too ;)

I think in 12 years of contracting I've had 30 weeks without work, and only 9 weeks when I didn't know where the next ch contract was coming from. That's to say I was waiting for paperwork and security clearance.
And most of that was last year due to the Pandemic.
Until that point it would have been 8 weeks without work, and 3 weeks without knowing I had another contract.

Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 05 August 2021, 09:30:10
Contracting is glorified agency work... As long as you say yes, you will always find something to do.

Being Paye you know exactly where you are at (is what I meant by stability)  ;)
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 05 August 2021, 17:14:55
Contracting is glorified agency work... As long as you say yes, you will always find something to do.

Being Paye you know exactly where you are at (is what I meant by stability)  ;)

I see what you mean.  For me it's about stability in knowledge.

 This is pretty much how I pitched the "Why do you want to move from a profitable career as a Freelancer, to a less profitable less tax efficient permie career..."

Over 12 years I've been allowed to do things that if they'd been looking for a permanent employee. They could take the risk, because 1 weeks notice, I'm available, and my CV is varied.
Things that I had to go and read up on and train myself in the evening, and transfer knowledge and hope it worked.
That's really stressful. This is where my imposter syndrome doesn't help, because whilst I sell myself as a Lean Six Sigma Expert, that expertise is really in high volume, high precision manufacturing, and I'm good at it because I know where and when I can take short cuts.
Suddenly in 2009 I'm apply lean principles to the refurbishment of Warrior Tanks, or to the Engineering Review System within an Aerospace company, or writting reports on the warranty claims of wind turbine high voltage electronics, or training 200 design engineers in Requirements Risk Analysis.
This job is in an industry I spent 15 years in, and on a walk around the factory it was possible to see "TIM WOOD" pissing himself laughing.

I'm going to teach them Chalk Circle Lean Assessment, as my first challenge. ;D

https://www.allaboutlean.com/chalk-circle/

http://theleanthinker.com/2007/07/09/the-chalk-circle/



Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: STEMO on 05 August 2021, 17:23:06
Like so many very clever people, you seem to have a less than conventional outlook on life. That's not an insult. I can see a lot of my son in you. He is starting a PhD in September in applied probability, but he talks absolute shite.  ;D
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 05 August 2021, 22:28:57
Like so many very clever people, you seem to have a less than conventional outlook on life. That's not an insult. I can see a lot of my son in you. He is starting a PhD in September in applied probability, but he talks absolute shite.  ;D

Any particular shite? Or everything ? It's been said that I'm.not as other people. But I've done tests and was pronounced the most well.rounded personality they'd had.
Which probably.means I guess3d the answers they were looking for.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: STEMO on 05 August 2021, 22:35:16
Like so many very clever people, you seem to have a less than conventional outlook on life. That's not an insult. I can see a lot of my son in you. He is starting a PhD in September in applied probability, but he talks absolute shite.  ;D

Any particular shite? Or everything ? It's been said that I'm.not as other people. But I've done tests and was pronounced the most well.rounded personality they'd had.
Which probably.means I guess3d the answers they were looking for.
Just day to day shite  ;D His idea of how things should work are 'out there', but he accepts this and doesn't take offence when I explain how things really work. He will eventually settle into himself and spend his time on the things that interest him, while leaving the things he doesn't understand to others. I admire him a lot, he is different but has a very pleasant disposition and will go far in his chosen field.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: STEMO on 05 August 2021, 22:37:49
In case you hadn't noticed, I'm slightly 'different' too  ;D
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 August 2021, 23:09:49
One can only assume he got his pleasant disposition from his Mother.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: STEMO on 06 August 2021, 07:16:36
One can only assume he got his pleasant disposition from his Mother.  ;D ;D
And his brains from me   ;D
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 27 August 2021, 03:34:05
So, they decided (rightly) that the role wasn't right for me, but then contacted me 2 weeks ago, and asked me if I'd be interested in a different role. Come in and have a look at the around and discuss it, and if you like it, we can arrange interviews the following week. Didn't quite work out like that. Had a chat with the MD, my old boss, and 2 of his managers. Then a trip round the factory floor, and then he left me, with the 2 managers to have a chat.
Or interview ? Phones me on Saturday afternoon.
Job offer. Am I allowed to discuss money?
It's enough. More than I was expecting. Transferring from contracting via a LTD company to a permie PayE role, has some interesting tax implications. That it I'll pay more.
Now looking to side line the omega, into classic status and get something sensible for the stupid commute.

Today will be my 4th Day. I've done induction type things, and am starting to see the future unfold.
They are increasing headcount on factory floor by 20% over the next 4 months, and I'm involved in duplicating existing assembly lines.
They have good Covid procedures in place.
So far the commute in.the omega has been at 23 mpg. And I've placed a deposit on a 65 plate GTC astra 1.4 turbo auto with 36k on the clock.
Not sure what to do with omega. It needs some work and I haven't got the time. Hence I've put it up for sale.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 August 2021, 04:39:59
All I'll say on that is that the payments would otherwise buy alot of fuel, probably three tankfuls, before the extra 12-15 mpg makes a difference.  :-\
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Shackeng on 27 August 2021, 07:51:02
Contracting is glorified agency work... As long as you say yes, you will always find something to do.

Being Paye you know exactly where you are at (is what I meant by stability)  ;)

I see what you mean.  For me it's about stability in knowledge.

 This is pretty much how I pitched the "Why do you want to move from a profitable career as a Freelancer, to a less profitable less tax efficient permie career..."

Over 12 years I've been allowed to do things that if they'd been looking for a permanent employee. They could take the risk, because 1 weeks notice, I'm available, and my CV is varied.
Things that I had to go and read up on and train myself in the evening, and transfer knowledge and hope it worked.
That's really stressful. This is where my imposter syndrome doesn't help, because whilst I sell myself as a Lean Six Sigma Expert, that expertise is really in high volume, high precision manufacturing, and I'm good at it because I know where and when I can take short cuts.
Suddenly in 2009 I'm apply lean principles to the refurbishment of Warrior Tanks, or to the Engineering Review System within an Aerospace company, or writting reports on the warranty claims of wind turbine high voltage electronics, or training 200 design engineers in Requirements Risk Analysis.
This job is in an industry I spent 15 years in, and on a walk around the factory it was possible to see "TIM WOOD" pissing himself laughing.

I'm going to teach them Chalk Circle Lean Assessment, as my first challenge. ;D

https://www.allaboutlean.com/chalk-circle/

http://theleanthinker.com/2007/07/09/the-chalk-circle/

Very interesting, I can think of a few newbie ‘managers’ who could have benefitted from such thinking before they jumped in with new ideas. Particularly back in my RAF years.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: New POD on 27 August 2021, 10:13:20
All I'll say on that is that the payments would otherwise buy alot of fuel, probably three tankfuls, before the extra 12-15 mpg makes a difference.  :-\

If it is a15 mpg difference, then my payback on the price I'm paying with the miles I'm likely to do is 3 years.
Given that my omega has already done 238k needs quite a bit of work for the next MOT, I'm fairly sure that it wouldn't last another 3 years, which would add another 75k to the clock.
In my man maths I'm assuming that the car I've bought now has no value. But in 3 years it will still have 3 years use left in it.
However it all depends on the traffic.
Title: Re: Interviews for jobs in lockdown
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 August 2021, 12:20:39
A 12 year old petrol Insignia or late Vectra would have done the same job for significantly less.

Severe corrosion is about the only reason to dump an Omega, especially a higher mileage one. Sure, things wear out, but the expensive stuff, namely the suspension is a one time £800 expense to do it properly and should give you a four year return. Everything on a newer replacement is an unknown and it will still require servicing and tyres.

You've made your choice, and I hope it works for you :y If you want a new(er) car* that's fine, but never use man maths to justify anything as that's pretty much a guarantee that it's the wrong choice ;)

*Caravan/boat/gadget etc...