Topic: There is a Lotus Carlton near me... (Read 3359 times)

feeutfo · « **on:** 03 February 2010, 10:51:49 »

Saw one several years ago parked up with wheels off just round the corner from me, but i didnt live hear then, somebody had been working on it so thought it safe to asume it lived there.

And on the way home last night I saw it, or another?, 2 mins from my house. Big beasty it is too.

A quick google reveals someone advertising spares in the Reading area, these are rare, cant be more than 1 that close by surely.

I guess he'll be an abs member, i suppose i should buck up and try to brake in to the abs forum again. Is it me or is access to abs a pita?

tunnie · « **Reply #1 on:** 03 February 2010, 10:53:20 »

buy the engine, you know you want to

Entwood · « **Reply #2 on:** 03 February 2010, 10:54:54 »

ABS access is a piece of doddle ..

http://www.autobahnstormers.org/forum/index.php

Enter user name and password

user name is your membership number and name

password is whatever you chose !!

feeutfo · « **Reply #3 on:** 03 February 2010, 11:08:59 »

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ABS access is a piece of doddle ..

http://www.autobahnstormers.org/forum/index.php

Enter user name and password

user name is your membership number and name

password is whatever you chose !!

ah, good they've changed it, i'll have a go at that later, thanks Entwood.

feeutfo · « **Reply #4 on:** 03 February 2010, 11:10:37 »

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buy the engine, you know you want to

really? i thought i would prefer a v8, wouldn't i ?

tunnie · « **Reply #5 on:** 03 February 2010, 11:20:58 »

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really? i thought i would prefer a v8, wouldn't i ?

Omegatoy put it in a pre-facelift gls, went pritty quick by all accounts.

Specs suggest 0-60 in 5.1 seconds, and 377 bhp. Be just as capable as a V8.... (although a 6.0 Monaro engine would do nicely!)

pedroMV6 · « **Reply #6 on:** 03 February 2010, 11:23:55 »

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really? i thought i would prefer a v8, wouldn't i ?

Be cheaper in the end!

You'd need a gearbox and rear axle to go with the C3.6GET engine, plus management, wiring, blah blah......... plus a shedload of cash to keep it sweet, turbo prices, hard to find parts...............

I know of one guy in Reading with an Elsie - but I really don't think he's pulling it apart! Is there a very nice grey Senator B with Irmscher kit on the drive aswell?

Andy B · « **Reply #7 on:** 03 February 2010, 11:24:26 »

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ABS access is a piece of doddle ..

http://www.autobahnstormers.org/forum/index.php

Enter user name and password

user name is your membership number and name

password is whatever you chose !!

ah, good they've changed it, i'll have a go at that later, thanks Entwood.

IME you'll need a password from ABS the first time you log on :-/ :-/

Entwood · « **Reply #8 on:** 03 February 2010, 11:29:14 »

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ABS access is a piece of doddle ..

http://www.autobahnstormers.org/forum/index.php

Enter user name and password

user name is your membership number and name

password is whatever you chose !!

ah, good they've changed it, i'll have a go at that later, thanks Entwood.

IME you'll need a password from ABS the first time you log on :-/ :-/

Past tense .. assumes he's already logged in before ..

feeutfo · « **Reply #9 on:** 03 February 2010, 11:41:07 »

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ABS access is a piece of doddle ..

http://www.autobahnstormers.org/forum/index.php

Enter user name and password

user name is your membership number and name

password is whatever you chose !!

ah, good they've changed it, i'll have a go at that later, thanks Entwood.

IME you'll need a password from ABS the first time you log on :-/ :-/

Past tense .. assumes he's already logged in before ..

it was the password that was the stumbling block last time, do you still have to email admin for login details?

feeutfo · « **Reply #10 on:** 03 February 2010, 11:48:39 »

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buy the engine, you know you want to

really? i thought i would prefer a v8, wouldn't i ?

Be cheaper in the end!
You'd need a gearbox and rear axle to go with the C3.6GET engine, plus management, wiring, blah blah......... plus a shedload of cash to keep it sweet, turbo prices, hard to find parts...............

I know of one guy in Reading with an Elsie - but I really don't think he's pulling it apart! Is there a very nice grey Senator B with Irmscher kit on the drive aswell?

he was driving at the time, so not near the house.

Presumed v8 woukd be easier and certainly cheaper, if i could be arsed in the first place...

Entwood · « **Reply #11 on:** 03 February 2010, 12:39:24 »

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ABS access is a piece of doddle ..

http://www.autobahnstormers.org/forum/index.php

Enter user name and password

user name is your membership number and name

password is whatever you chose !!

ah, good they've changed it, i'll have a go at that later, thanks Entwood.

IME you'll need a password from ABS the first time you log on :-/ :-/

Past tense .. assumes he's already logged in before ..

it was the password that was the stumbling block last time, do you still have to email admin for login details?

My e-mail came from "forum-manager@autobahnstormers.co.uk" ... don't know if that is a monitored address or not ... but worth an email ?? I'd quote your membership number at the same time ..

If you have problems let me know and I'll ask on the forum

OR ... you could try

http://www.autobahnstormers.org/forum/ucp.php?mode=login&sid=1562505ea99bd18ab7a33029b0309c5f

Stick your user name in and click "lost password" ..

unlucky mark mv6 · « **Reply #12 on:** 03 February 2010, 12:48:29 »

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Saw one several years ago parked up with wheels off just round the corner from me, but i didnt live hear then, somebody had been working on it so thought it safe to asume it lived there.

And on the way home last night I saw it, or another?, 2 mins from my house. Big beasty it is too.

A quick google reveals someone advertising spares in the Reading area, these are rare, cant be more than 1 that close by surely.

I guess he'll be an abs member, i suppose i should buck up and try to brake in to the abs forum again. Is it me or is access to abs a pita?

Ahh but is it the genuine article chris?,there are still quite a few look-a-likes around today.

,ask him for a blast in it to prove it.

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #13 on:** 03 February 2010, 13:24:20 »

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buy the engine, you know you want to

really? i thought i would prefer a v8, wouldn't i ?

Yes, you would. I'll dispose of that nasty C36GET for you. I was getting bored with the four pot in my Westfield anyway.

Kevin

andyc · « **Reply #14 on:** 03 February 2010, 14:56:01 »

There are a couple of LC's in that area

Andy

tunnie · « **Reply #15 on:** 03 February 2010, 14:57:10 »

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buy the engine, you know you want to

really? i thought i would prefer a v8, wouldn't i ?

Yes, you would. I'll dispose of that nasty C36GET for you. I was getting bored with the four pot in my Westfield anyway.

Kevin

3.6 S6 Turbo Westfield would be cable of warp speed

Andy B · « **Reply #16 on:** 03 February 2010, 14:59:04 »

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3.6 S6 Turbo Westfield would be cable of warp speed

Ahem! TWIN turbo .....

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #17 on:** 03 February 2010, 15:03:16 »

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3.6 S6 Turbo Westfield would be cable of warp speed

Ahem! TWIN turbo .....

Would probably double its' weight though. :-/

Kevin

feeutfo · « **Reply #18 on:** 03 February 2010, 19:19:24 »

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There are a couple of LC's in that area

Andy

bah, common as muck. Can parts still be had Andy? I would guess little available by now...?

feeutfo · « **Reply #19 on:** 03 February 2010, 20:01:24 »

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buy the engine, you know you want to

really? i thought i would prefer a v8, wouldn't i ?

Yes, you would. I'll dispose of that nasty C36GET for you. I was getting bored with the four pot in my Westfield anyway.

Kevin

fairly sure he needs his engine anyway, and your westfield is quick enough, esp with its lack of weight, until i got in it that is, although these things always feel quicker in the passenger seat when not at the controles, i dread to think what 350+hp would feel like as a passenger in yours....

...as a driver however, now thats a differant story.

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #20 on:** 03 February 2010, 23:46:37 »

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fairly sure he needs his engine anyway, and your westfield is quick enough, esp with its lack of weight, until i got in it that is, although these things always feel quicker in the passenger seat when not at the controles, i dread to think what 350+hp would feel like as a passenger in yours....

...as a driver however, now thats a differant story.

A mate of mine has 400+. He did a track day at Marham, IIRC. Got bored with bouncing it off the rev limiter all the way down the straight at 170 MPH.

Kevin

feeutfo · « **Reply #21 on:** 03 February 2010, 23:57:01 »

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fairly sure he needs his engine anyway, and your westfield is quick enough, esp with its lack of weight, until i got in it that is, although these things always feel quicker in the passenger seat when not at the controles, i dread to think what 350+hp would feel like as a passenger in yours....

...as a driver however, now thats a differant story.

A mate of mine has 400+. He did a track day at Marham, IIRC. Got bored with bouncing it off the rev limiter all the way down the straight at 170 MPH.

Kevin

400!whats that in bhp per ton? 6 or 700 at a guess without knowing the westys weight. No, 500 maybe? and where does that put yours?

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #22 on:** 04 February 2010, 00:17:49 »

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400!whats that in bhp per ton? 6 or 700 at a guess without knowing the westys weight. No, 500 maybe? and where does that put yours?

My car is about 650kg at its' lardiest (spare wheel, weather gear, toolkit, jack, etc.).

Not sure on power output of mine but it should be in the 180-200 region. Last time it was rolling roaded it pulled 165bhp on weber carbs and it's a good bit quicker now that it's on injection and properly tuned.

Put a cossie turbo in it and it'll be heavier but got to be talking IRO 600 BHP/Tonne.

Kevin

Mr Skrunts · « **Reply #23 on:** 04 February 2010, 00:18:12 »

A guy in Barnsley bought a Dutton Pheaton kit car with a modded chassis, 2 speed auto box and a chevy 350. It had NOS fitted to it.

He reckoned it did 100 mph in 1st and 200mph in 2nd

Appaerty he had time sheets from Santa pod showing ET's of under 9 secs, and reckoned it was undrivable on the road without the wheelie bars fitted, Naturally we called him a liar.

When he left that day he said he was out of NOS so he warmed the car while we all had a nosey, when he set off he floored it and the front tyres were off the ground a few inches for the 1st few yards.

Appaerently that night he was going through wombwell past the police station doing about 60 and reckoned a ctraffic carpulled out after him put the lights on and came after him, he thought he was going to flip it as it booted into 1st as his passenger engaged the NOS switch.

left wombwell at an unmentionable speed with out the cop car in site.

He came back the next day with the remains of the NOS bottle, and yes I saw it pop the wheels up in both gears.

About a month later it was in the scrap yard (He owned that as well) parked at the side of a garage with the engines gutts (what was left of them) hanging out of the side of the engine. Was fun while it lasted I suppose.

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #24 on:** 04 February 2010, 00:27:21 »

A mate of mine has a Westfield ex-drag racer that used to run down into the 9s.

Someone made him an offer he couldn't refuse for that engine and he sold it. Now has a Rover V8 which he's gradually trying to tune to the same level.

He's got a 3 speed auto box with a ratchet shifter but it doesn't seem to matter whether it's in 1st or 2nd for most purposes, and 3rd isn't worth bothering with.

Here it is:

Kevin

Mr Skrunts · « **Reply #25 on:** 04 February 2010, 00:41:51 »

Nice car. The one I saw didnt have the full overhead cage on, but looked like it was adapted to fit one when required. I think thier car was yellow and green. Sounded the biz with the 350 V8 though.

Mr Skrunts · « **Reply #26 on:** 04 February 2010, 00:50:00 »

Interesting lump here if can be seen/heard working and proven compression and oil pressure.

Some good haggling skills would get this for a projest for a good price.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Chevrolet-Chevy-350-5-7-V8-engine-good-runner-kit-car_W0QQitemZ300392746793QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item45f0cd8f29

Forget the carriage but this is not a bad price for chromed items either.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CHROME-CHEVY-283-350-TIMING-COVER-R4934_W0QQitemZ390131233403QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item5ad5a2327b

Easy to pick up cany chromed parts for these engines and parts are off the shelf and cheap if you know where to shop.

feeutfo · « **Reply #27 on:** 04 February 2010, 01:06:39 »

bit of fun
http://www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp

feeutfo · « **Reply #28 on:** 04 February 2010, 01:25:41 »

your westfield

Power at Flywheel (BHP) :    200
Weight without Driver (KG) :    650
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) :    312.63
0 - 60 (Secs) :    3.98
0 - 100 (Secs) :    10.29
60 - 100 (Secs) :    6.31
Quarter Mile (Secs) :    12.38
Terminal Speed (MPH) :    109.66
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) :    12.28
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) :    110.98

feeutfo · « **Reply #29 on:** 04 February 2010, 01:31:34 »

your mates westy

Power at Flywheel (BHP) :    400
Weight without Driver (KG) :    650
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) :    625.26
0 - 60 (Secs) :    2.97
0 - 100 (Secs) :    6.97
60 - 100 (Secs) :    4.01
Quarter Mile (Secs) :    11.17
Terminal Speed (MPH) :    126.54
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) :    11.07
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) :    128.05

feeutfo · « **Reply #30 on:** 04 February 2010, 01:34:22 »

how much does an omega 3.2 weigh? and i'm thinking 211 bhp?

1656kg according to parkers for an mv6 as it happens, so say add another 100kg for an elite with lpg and a tow bar

Power at Flywheel (BHP) :    211
Weight without Driver (KG) :    1756
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) :    122.09
0 - 60 (Secs) :    8.53
0 - 100 (Secs) :    23.47
60 - 100 (Secs) :    14.94
Quarter Mile (Secs) :    16.92
Terminal Speed (MPH) :    84.90
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) :    16.72
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) :    86.30

hmm, makes the omega look a bit gay really

feeutfo · « **Reply #31 on:** 04 February 2010, 02:09:45 »

2004 Honda Fireblade CBR1000rr

Power at Flywheel (BHP) :    174
Weight without Driver (KG) :    179
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) :    987.67
Invalid Entry :    Weight must be between 600 and 2000 KG

hehe, doesnt like the low weight of the bike but the bhp/ton figure looks about right to me.

feeutfo · « **Reply #32 on:** 04 February 2010, 02:22:13 »

Lotus Carlton

Specifications[1] of some wiki site

* Top speed - +176 mph (283 km/h)
* Peak power - 377 hp (281 kW) @ 5200 rpm
* Acceleration - 0-60 mph (97 km/h) : 5.2 sec., 0-100 mph (160 km/h) : 11.5 sec.
* Peak torque - 419 lb·ft (568 N·m) @ 4200 rpm
* Engine displacement - 3615 cc
* Engine type - Twin turbocharged straight six-cylinder
* Configuration - Front-engined, rear-wheel drive
* Transmission - Six-speed ZF manual
* Weight - 3,666 lb (1,663 kg)
* Production - 950 units
* Price - £48,000

Power at Flywheel (BHP) :    377
Weight without Driver (KG) :    1663
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) :    230.34
0 - 60 (Secs) :    4.92
0 - 100 (Secs) :    11.02
60 - 100 (Secs) :    6.11
Quarter Mile (Secs) :    13.14
Terminal Speed (MPH) :    109.18
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) :    13.04
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) :    110.40

feeutfo · « **Reply #33 on:** 04 February 2010, 02:35:16 »

Kevs Westy with the Lotus bhp figure added, but no added weight for the bigger lump, dont know how much to add...?

Power at Flywheel (BHP) :    377
Weight without Driver (KG) :    650
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) :    589.31
0 - 60 (Secs) :    3.08
0 - 100 (Secs) :    7.29
60 - 100 (Secs) :    4.21
Quarter Mile (Secs) :    11.31
Terminal Speed (MPH) :    124.49
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) :    11.21
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) :    125.97

feeutfo · « **Reply #34 on:** 04 February 2010, 02:41:59 »

power figures given are manufacturers quoted apart from omega which is taken from recent dyno results from other members, so not totaly accurate relatvely but makes little odds given the huge differance in performance

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #35 on:** 04 February 2010, 09:39:56 »

Hmm.

I reckon you could add at least another 100kg with the hypothetical LO engine (I say hypothetical because I doubt it'd physically fit!).

In reality I think a more sensible turbo conversion would be a cossie, or even a blown Zetec. Did once see a nice Hayabusa Turbo conversion. 8-)

I think the predictions for acceleration for the lighter cars are a bit optimistic. When the weather gets better I must take the Westie out with the AP22 data logger and see what it's actually achieving.

I think when power-to-weight ratio gets high the limiting factors are more down to gearing and traction. I'd be happy to get 0-60 under 5s without sacrificing grip in the wet and putting sticky tyres on it, splurging on a close ratio gearbox, etc. etc..

I reckon it got it about right for the Omega and LC, though.

The other issue is aerodynamic drag. Does it allow you to input that? Cd for an Omega is 0.31 IIRC. For a Westfield it's appalling. About 0.70. That will have more impact at higher speeds, so 1/4 mile time and terminal speed.

Kevin

feeutfo · « **Reply #36 on:** 04 February 2010, 10:50:12 »

its all theoretical, it only asks for power output at the flywheel and weight in kg and if front or rear or 4 wheel drive.

feeutfo · « **Reply #37 on:** 04 February 2010, 10:54:10 »

but surely you want a bike for this game?

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #38 on:** 04 February 2010, 10:55:32 »

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but surely you want a bike for this game?

What, and fall over every time I have to stop due to insufficient wheels?

Kevin

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