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[Migalot]

Perhaps the future is not electric, but improved internal combustion. Ford and Toyota think so.

Interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKCdKsy4fJI&t=348

[YZ250]

I haven’t watched the linked clip but the EV future must be a worry for car manufacturers. They’ve been put in an impossible position by government rulings of no ICE cars after 2035, but the public uptake of the EV hasn’t taken off as much as they’d hoped. Car manufacturers now have all of their eggs in one basket and that’s not a good place to be if sales don’t pick up.
Serious issues with EV’s, whether hyped up by the press or genuine issues, have done nothing to help sales either. We’ve had battery fires by self igniting cars and now we have software brake failure and vehicles getting stuck at speed and unable to stop. Not a great selling point is it.
I personally have zero interest in EV’s and it appears that most EV sales are fleet/company vehicles, but I do have genuine empathy for the car manufacturers being put in this position.
To simplify it, if you ran a shop and a certain item wasn’t selling as well as expected, you’d no longer stock that item. In the vehicle manufacturers situation, the item that isn’t selling well is now their only item. Not a good place to be.   

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Synthetic fuel could render EV,s obsolete in no time, but the powers that be have put all their eggs in the EV basket.
Havent watched the link yet btw.

[cam.in.head]

i think the2035 deadline will change again anyway once we get near to it !
but i for one ( probably along with a lot of you here ) will never be going down the ev route anyway if we can help it . so long as petrol is still produced ive enough cars to see me out !

[Marks DTM Calib]

Serious issues with EV’s, whether hyped up by the press or genuine issues, have done nothing to help sales either. We’ve had battery fires by self igniting cars and now we have software brake failure and vehicles getting stuck at speed and unable to stop. Not a great selling point is it.

The brake issue appears to be the owners doing (the Cheshire case), fully charged car (so minimal regen)........and a recent full brake upgrade with new callipers, discs etc....

......not that the press are highlighting that 

[STEMO]

This doesn't help

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article-13185581/Electric-cars-range-advertised-real-life-conditions-investigation-finds.html

[Doctor Gollum]

Fair play to the marketing bods for upselling that, but surely an EV doesn't really require actual brakes given the regenerative braking power...

And presumably if you knock it into neutral it would simply roll to a stop

[YZ250]

Fair play to the marketing bods for upselling that, but surely an EV doesn't really require actual brakes given the regenerative braking power...

And presumably if you knock it into neutral it would simply roll to a stop

Yes, there doesn’t appear to be an explanation why this wasn’t possible. I was bored so I looked on the iPace forum and they’re confused why this wasn’t possible as well. I’m guessing they’d blame an electrical or software fault prevented this from happening.
I’ll have to remember the old runaway story if I’m ever unlucky enough to get pulled over again. Yes officer, the pedal was stuck to the floor for a few minutes but we’re all good now. Hmm, do you think they’d believe me. 

[Kevin Wood]

Fair play to the marketing bods for upselling that, but surely an EV doesn't really require actual brakes given the regenerative braking power...

And presumably if you knock it into neutral it would simply roll to a stop

Yes, there doesn’t appear to be an explanation why this wasn’t possible. I was bored so I looked on the iPace forum and they’re confused why this wasn’t possible as well. I’m guessing they’d blame an electrical or software fault prevented this from happening.
I’ll have to remember the old runaway story if I’m ever unlucky enough to get pulled over again. Yes officer, the pedal was stuck to the floor for a few minutes but we’re all good now. Hmm, do you think they’d believe me. 

Sounds like a seat-steering wheel interface issue to me. Which isn't surprising given the standard of driving these days.

Of course, if the battery can't take any charge you have no regen braking - unless you want the aforementioned inferno.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Fair play to the marketing bods for upselling that, but surely an EV doesn't really require actual brakes given the regenerative braking power...

And presumably if you knock it into neutral it would simply roll to a stop

Yes, there doesn’t appear to be an explanation why this wasn’t possible. I was bored so I looked on the iPace forum and they’re confused why this wasn’t possible as well. I’m guessing they’d blame an electrical or software fault prevented this from happening.
I’ll have to remember the old runaway story if I’m ever unlucky enough to get pulled over again. Yes officer, the pedal was stuck to the floor for a few minutes but we’re all good now. Hmm, do you think they’d believe me. 

If it was a runaway then a clapped out cop car would not have stopped the 400bhp of the iPace 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Fair play to the marketing bods for upselling that, but surely an EV doesn't really require actual brakes given the regenerative braking power...

And presumably if you knock it into neutral it would simply roll to a stop

Yes, there doesn’t appear to be an explanation why this wasn’t possible. I was bored so I looked on the iPace forum and they’re confused why this wasn’t possible as well. I’m guessing they’d blame an electrical or software fault prevented this from happening.
I’ll have to remember the old runaway story if I’m ever unlucky enough to get pulled over again. Yes officer, the pedal was stuck to the floor for a few minutes but we’re all good now. Hmm, do you think they’d believe me. 

Sounds like a seat-steering wheel interface issue to me. Which isn't surprising given the standard of driving these days.

Of course, if the battery can't take any charge you have no regen braking - unless you want the aforementioned inferno.

Exactly this, at full charge regen is minimal (as there is nowhere for the energy to go) so the system uses the brakes 

[Viral_Jim]

Alternatively, perhaps the driver is a lying little toe-rag who got the anti-ev brigade unduly excited...   

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13192851/Police-arrest-Jaguar-Pace-driver-31-suspicion-dangerous-driving-control-car-rammed-road-officers-went-rogue-speeds-120mph.html

[STEMO]

Amateur

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/91259.stm#:~:text=The%20M1%20was%20cleared%20by,the%20vehicle%20impossible%20to%20control.

[YZ250]

Amateur

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/91259.stm#:~:text=The%20M1%20was%20cleared%20by,the%20vehicle%20impossible%20to%20control.

I remember that story well, I just can’t believe that it was almost 26 years ago.    He was cleared of faking it apparently. 

[Andy B]

IIRC a Sierra Cosworth driver tried the same tale in the day .....

[YZ250]

IIRC a Sierra Cosworth driver tried the same tale in the day .....

As I've posted on here before, I had a genuine runaway in my old 3.0S. I floored it to do an overtake and when I pulled back in, the car was still pulling like a train. Luckily I was able to turn off the ignition and slow down to a stop. The throttle cable had frayed and wouldn't return up the cable sleeve. It was quite a hairy moment. 

[STEMO]

It happened to me years ago coming off the M62 just before Liverpool. I was driving some sort of Citroen (can't remember the model, I was drunk at the time) 


Well......tipsy.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The throttle cable broke on my Chevette HS and I drove it around for a few days with the remains of the old cable running through the heater vent into the car and used it as a hand throttle.
That got a bit hairy at times.