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[STEMO]

A bit much?

[BazaJT]

Way too fussy and over complicated for the sake of it by the looks of things.Plus it's French so what could possibly go wrong??

[Doctor Gollum]

Depends how you define 'a little' I suppose...

It has a certain Gallic charm about it, and you know that it will eventually fall apart or catch fire. None of that matters though, because it's French and that's all that matters...

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

First a derv Golf. Followed by a Citroen.

I predict the Astra derv will be history within a month.

[Nick W]

Way too fussy and over complicated for the sake of it by the looks of things. Plus it's French so what could possibly go wrong??

Have you looked at a German or Ford interior recently? At least the French manage some style

[STEMO]

First a derv Golf. Followed by a Citroen.

I predict the Astra derv will be history within a month.

Now what are you on about? You should really make an appointment with the nurse 

You don't actually think I was considering that? 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

First a derv Golf. Followed by a Citroen.

I predict the Astra derv will be history within a month.

Now what are you on about? You should really make an appointment with the nurse 

You don't actually think I was considering that? 

Your interest shows you are curious.

When you are curious (bored) you are more likely to buy on impulse.

[STEMO]

First a derv Golf. Followed by a Citroen.

I predict the Astra derv will be history within a month.

Now what are you on about? You should really make an appointment with the nurse 

You don't actually think I was considering that? 

Your interest shows you are curious.

When you are curious (bored) you are more likely to buy on impulse.

I received that in an email from carwow, and I thought you'd like the look of it.

[STEMO]

Also, I'm keeping my astra till it dies, which will be well after your tata 

With regards to Mrs STEMO's car, it's on hold for now, then I'm thinking of an X1.

[Andy H]

Way too fussy and over complicated for the sake of it by the looks of things. Plus it's French so what could possibly go wrong??

Have you looked at a German or Ford interior recently? At least the French manage some style

Have a look at the interiors of some of the classic Citroens from the 50's 60's & 70's and it looks perfectly sane.

Citroen DS


Citroen Visa

[Doctor Gollum]

The Visa looked pretty reasonable from the outside 

[STEMO]

Way too fussy and over complicated for the sake of it by the looks of things. Plus it's French so what could possibly go wrong??

Have you looked at a German or Ford interior recently? At least the French manage some style

Have a look at the interiors of some of the classic Citroens from the 50's 60's & 70's and it looks perfectly sane.

Citroen DS


Citroen Visa

On the visa, did you have to put your hand through the steering wheel to get to those switches? 

[dave the builder]

On the visa, did you have to put your hand through the steering wheel to get to those switches? 

It's French , none of the electricals actually work , they are just for show and bragging rights 

[STEMO]

On the visa, did you have to put your hand through the steering wheel to get to those switches? 

It's French , none of the electricals actually work , they are just for show and bragging rights 

Of course, silly me 

[Doctor Gollum]

At least it only has one spoke, so it minimises the chance of breaking your wrist whilst turning the wipers on

[Andy H]

The Visa looked pretty reasonable from the outside 

My mother had one when I was learning to drive - that round pod on the left has switches for indicators, lights and radio. It was a bit much to take in as a learner while simultaneously rowing the 2CV* engine along with a 3ft long gear stick and trying to stay in your seat while the waterbed suspension wallowed all over the place.

After that experience I managed quite happily with a full bike licence for years before I felt any need to get a car licence 
 
*The 2CV engine was enlarged from 602cc to 652cc for the Visa

[Doctor Gollum]

Didn't they put a proper engine in it

[Andy H]

Didn't they put a proper engine in it

Not in the one I drove.   
There was a 4 cylinder option (Super E) of about 1100cc and Wikipedia lists a host of 4 cylinder engines in later cars of increasing capacity culminating in the 1.8 Peugeot diesel.

[Viral_Jim]

I do rather like the older Citroens. DS/SM etc. That new one is pretty hideous

[Andy H]

Didn't they put a proper engine in it

Not in the one I drove.   
There was a 4 cylinder option (Super E) of about 1100cc and Wikipedia lists a host of 4 cylinder engines in later cars of increasing capacity culminating in the 1.9 Peugeot diesel.

Oops - intended to edit / correct my reference to the Peugeot 1.9 diesel - not quote

[Doctor Gollum]

The older diesel was a 1.4/1.8 iirc.

[Nick W]

Didn't they put a proper engine in it

Not in the one I drove.   
There was a 4 cylinder option (Super E) of about 1100cc and Wikipedia lists a host of 4 cylinder engines in later cars of increasing capacity culminating in the 1.8 Peugeot diesel.

Lets not forget the Visa GTI, which must have been a laugh

[Andy B]

I do rather like the older Citroens. DS/SM etc. ....

They're getting pretty sought after these days and fetch good money. I like the earliest DS with the single round headlights, some had add-on spot lights to ... before the double headlight with the swivelling spot light.

I reckon I could count on one hand the number of SMs I've seen on the road ie not at shows or museums

[Rangie]

It looks like something you'd find in an amusement arcade , too fussy for me .

[Viral_Jim]

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I reckon I could count on one hand the number of SMs I've seen on the road ie not at shows or museums

Same, other than Le Man's / Goodwood revival I don't think I've ever seen one in the flesh. Saw a DS Safari not that long ago. Now that was cool 

[Doctor Gollum]

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I reckon I could count on one hand the number of SMs I've seen on the road ie not at shows or museums

Same, other than Le Man's / Goodwood revival I don't think I've ever seen one in the flesh. Saw a DS Safari not that long ago. Now that was cool 

Driving back into Lyndhurst from Hythe a couole of weeks ago, there was a faded red and primer one broken down opposite the Ferrari garage...

[Andy H]

Didn't they put a proper engine in it

Not in the one I drove.   
There was a 4 cylinder option (Super E) of about 1100cc and Wikipedia lists a host of 4 cylinder engines in later cars of increasing capacity culminating in the 1.8 Peugeot diesel.

Lets not forget the Visa GTI, which must have been a laugh

34bhp was frustrating - 104bhp should be enough to cause involuntary bowel movements 



(And yes - I know this is a photo of a soapbox without an engine of any kind.)

[Marks DTM Calib]

Also, I'm keeping my astra till it dies, which will be well after your tata 

With regards to Mrs STEMO's car, it's on hold for now, then I'm thinking of an X1.

So a front wheel drive Mini?

[STEMO]

Also, I'm keeping my astra till it dies, which will be well after your tata 

With regards to Mrs STEMO's car, it's on hold for now, then I'm thinking of an X1.

So a front wheel drive Mini?

Yep, it's looking that way. Getting fed up talking about it now, she only takes it to work five days a week, so 10,000 miles a year, and she'll be happy if her new car 'looks nice'. I tell her that her astra is low mileage, economical, easy to drive and looks nice, but to no avail. She will get her own way, and she knows it.

[Marks DTM Calib]

As for screens, the latest compute unit my team are putting together can drive 6 of the bloody things

[Andy B]

As for screens, the latest compute unit my team are putting together can drive 6 of the bloody things

Just the 6? ....  This is a Honda e .... I saw one for the first time the other week.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Yes, as the eMirrors have to be ASIL-B safety rated so handled by a different controller (they also have to be on very quickly with very low latency) 

That actually only has 3 screens (with eMirrors discounted) and looks bloody awful 

[Nick W]

Yes, as the eMirrors have to be ASIL-B safety rated so handled by a different controller (they also have to be on very quickly with very low latency) 

That actually only has 3 screens (with eMirrors discounted) and looks bloody awful 

Using 3 separate screens for the mirrors like that is ridiculous. If you don't combine all three into one panoramic view where the rearview mirror would be, you might as well just fit low tech, cheap and reliable reflective glass.


Why would you want more than one screen for the rest of the car?

[Marks DTM Calib]

Yes, as the eMirrors have to be ASIL-B safety rated so handled by a different controller (they also have to be on very quickly with very low latency) 

That actually only has 3 screens (with eMirrors discounted) and looks bloody awful 

Using 3 separate screens for the mirrors like that is ridiculous. If you don't combine all three into one panoramic view where the rearview mirror would be, you might as well just fit low tech, cheap and reliable reflective glass.


Why would you want more than one screen for the rest of the car?

Some displays I understand, cluster, HUD, central infotainment, possibly climate/sub functions. Then maybe rear seat entertainment.

eMirrors are driven by 'aero' (i am not a fan), Smart Rear View Mirror only makes sense when there is limited rear visibility (although the extra camera you can attach to the back of trailers is quote useful)

[Andy B]

....
 and looks bloody awful 

likewise the rest of the car 

[Nick W]

Yes, as the eMirrors have to be ASIL-B safety rated so handled by a different controller (they also have to be on very quickly with very low latency) 

That actually only has 3 screens (with eMirrors discounted) and looks bloody awful 

Using 3 separate screens for the mirrors like that is ridiculous. If you don't combine all three into one panoramic view where the rearview mirror would be, you might as well just fit low tech, cheap and reliable reflective glass.


Why would you want more than one screen for the rest of the car?

Some displays I understand, cluster, HUD, central infotainment, possibly climate/sub functions. Then maybe rear seat entertainment.

But that's my point; nobody needs the infotainment(which is a ghastly concept) and climate functions displayed unless they're actually being adjusted. Which means the current massive screen for the 'dials' can be used. And I thought climate control was supposed to not need adjusting - I never do, just set mine to 20degrees when I get the car and don't touch it again. That can be done with one rotary knob with the temperature inset into it.


HUDs. Really? In a car? What do you need to know so badly that it has to be projected into your view 279.78mm above the normal display.

[Viral_Jim]

Ultimately, it's all only there so that the manufacturer's can sell you another car that's more betterer than the last one they sold you.

And of course it keeps things ticking over nicely because now when your climate control knob breaks, instead of it being a £20 part they can charge you a squillion pounds and explain to you how it's just cheaper to buy a new car instead.

See also £1800 for an indicator bulb. 

[STEMO]

Ultimately, it's all only there so that the manufacturer's can sell you another car that's more betterer than the last one they sold you.

And of course it keeps things ticking over nicely because now when your climate control knob breaks, instead of it being a £20 part they can charge you a squillion pounds and explain to you how it's just cheaper to buy a new car instead.

See also £1800 for an indicator bulb. 

Ouch! 

[Marks DTM Calib]

I really like the HUD function, and will probably add it to the next car  (we are talking a proper projected onto the windscreen job and not these tacky perspex things on the IP)