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Title: Hamster fed
Post by: STEMO on 05 December 2018, 11:29:09
And we're back up and running. Now, where was I? Ah yes. Now, about this brexit thingy.  ;D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Gaffers on 05 December 2018, 11:45:53
Did anyone else check the local news in Brackley for 'events' during the outage?  No?  Just me?   ::)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Olympia5776 on 05 December 2018, 12:42:31
That's just a taste of what will happen if we leave ........... ;D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: scimmy_man on 05 December 2018, 12:49:33
did we find ten bob for the meter down the back of the sofa?
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: BazaJT on 05 December 2018, 15:00:51
Ten bob ??? :o Just shows how bad this inflation is,last I knew it were a bob not ten :D ;D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: STEMO on 05 December 2018, 16:14:41
Ten bob ??? :o Just shows how bad this inflation is,last I knew it were a bob not ten :D ;D
Yep. A silver shilling.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 05 December 2018, 16:25:17
Who's Bob?  :-\                             






and what's he doing down the back of the sofa?  ;D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 December 2018, 17:40:09
I remember the old half crown and tanner.

Some on here will remember when the groat was still legal tender. :)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Nick W on 05 December 2018, 17:48:27
Who's Bob?  :-\                             




An important part of ringing.....
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 05 December 2018, 17:55:55
Who's Bob?  :-\                             




An important part of ringing.....
Momentum mechanism?
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Entwood on 05 December 2018, 17:56:33
Who's Bob?  :-\                             




An important part of ringing.....

What have scrapped cars got to do with Hamsters ???  :)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 05 December 2018, 17:57:28
Who's Bob?  :-\                             




An important part of ringing.....

What have scrapped cars got to do with Hamsters ???  :)
Ding dong, the bells chimed...
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Nick W on 05 December 2018, 18:08:28
Who's Bob?  :-\                             




An important part of ringing.....
Momentum mechanism?


No, it changes the coursing order so you can ring a full extent. Although no one is going to ring an extent on more than seven bells


You did ask ;D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Alnico Blue on 05 December 2018, 18:10:36
I remember the old half crown and tanner.

Some on here will remember when the groat was still legal tender. :)

You don't mention the "Threepenny Bits" Opti. . . .

most unlike you not to mention those  ;D ;D ;D 
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 December 2018, 18:22:36
I remember the old half crown and tanner.

Some on here will remember when the groat was still legal tender. :)

You don't mention the "Threepenny Bits" Opti. . . .

most unlike you not to mention those  ;D ;D ;D


Well designed coin. One that couldn't roll away when dropped. :y
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Varche on 05 December 2018, 18:28:35
I remember the old half crown and tanner.

Some on here will remember when the groat was still legal tender. :)

Groat? Isnt he a forum member?
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: STEMO on 05 December 2018, 18:28:56
I remember the old half crown and tanner.

Some on here will remember when the groat was still legal tender. :)

You don't mention the "Threepenny Bits" Opti. . . .

most unlike you not to mention those  ;D ;D ;D


Well designed coin. One that couldn't roll away when dropped. :y
I think Al meant 'Tits'  :)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: scimmy_man on 05 December 2018, 19:26:28
I remember the old half crown and tanner.

Some on here will remember when the groat was still legal tender. :)

You don't mention the "Threepenny Bits" Opti. . . .

most unlike you not to mention those  ;D ;D ;D


Well designed coin. One that couldn't roll away when dropped. :y

specially designed so you could use a spanner to remove it from a yorkshiremans grip.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: TheBoy on 05 December 2018, 19:34:07
Apologies.

Primary DB server is proper fsck'd.  It corrupted the database on the secondary when it went.

We restored from a backup from 8pm last night (which is the last one that looks not to contain the corruption), so there may be some missing posts made after that time.


Because we are running from the secondary, which is normally responsible for backups, the entire site will be unusable when backups are taken.  This is likely to be early morning, between 6 and 7am, give or take. This is due to the way the database has to be locked for the period of the backup.

It will be a few days before a pair of new database servers can be stood up, and normality returns.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: STEMO on 05 December 2018, 19:43:20
Apologies.

Primary DB server is proper fsck'd.  It corrupted the database on the secondary when it went.

We restored from a backup from 8pm last night (which is the last one that looks not to contain the corruption), so there may be some missing posts made after that time.


Because we are running from the secondary, which is normally responsible for backups, the entire site will be unusable when backups are taken.  This is likely to be early morning, between 6 and 7am, give or take. This is due to the way the database has to be locked for the period of the backup.

It will be a few days before a pair of new database servers can be stood up, and normality returns.
Thanks, as ever, Jaime.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 05 December 2018, 21:12:17
I remember the old half crown and tanner.

Some on here will remember when the groat was still legal tender. :)

You don't mention the "Threepenny Bits" Opti. . . .

most unlike you not to mention those  ;D ;D ;D

Nor the lovely farthing that used to buy me 4 Black Jacks or Fruit Salads! :D ;)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: STEMO on 05 December 2018, 21:17:12
I remember the old half crown and tanner.

Some on here will remember when the groat was still legal tender. :)

You don't mention the "Threepenny Bits" Opti. . . .

most unlike you not to mention those  ;D ;D ;D

Nor the lovely farthing that used to buy me 4 Black Jacks or Fruit Salads! :D ;)
I'm the same age as you, Lizzie, and I'm pretty sure blackjacks and fruit salads were four for a penny.  :-\
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 05 December 2018, 21:31:22
Sounds like, as ever, herculean efforts have been made to maintain our little community of soapboxes. Thanks to those responsible, the OOF lives to fight rant another day!  :)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 05 December 2018, 21:39:36
In the absence of somewhere to rant about Brexit, I took to bidding on ebay cars instead!  ::)  Luckily I'm tightfisted, so was outbid every time.  :D 

Thanks to TB's efforts I think I'm safe tonight!  :y
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: STEMO on 05 December 2018, 21:42:04
In the absence of somewhere to rant about Brexit, I took to bidding on ebay cars instead!  ::)  Luckily I'm tightfisted, so was outbid every time.  :D 

Thanks to TB's efforts I think I'm safe tonight!  :y
You have two great cars, stop trying to waste your money.  :)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: 78bex on 05 December 2018, 21:45:44
I remember the old half crown and tanner.

Some on here will remember when the groat was still legal tender. :)

You don't mention the "Threepenny Bits" Opti. . . .

most unlike you not to mention those  ;D ;D ;D

Nor the lovely farthing that used to buy me 4 Black Jacks or Fruit Salads! :D ;)

I`m assuming there was such a thing as a 2 bob bit  ???
My old boss used to preface that denomination with the saying; "As bent as "  ::)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: STEMO on 05 December 2018, 22:00:33
I remember the old half crown and tanner.

Some on here will remember when the groat was still legal tender. :)

You don't mention the "Threepenny Bits" Opti. . . .

most unlike you not to mention those  ;D ;D ;D

Nor the lovely farthing that used to buy me 4 Black Jacks or Fruit Salads! :D ;)

I`m assuming there was such a thing as a 2 bob bit  ???
My old boss used to preface that denomination with the saying; "As bent as "  ::)
Yes, a florin.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Rods2 on 05 December 2018, 22:16:01
Thank you, Jamie for your efforts. You should have guessed the hamsters were rebelling when they put on their hi-viz jackets & were plotting in French. ::) ::) ::) I hope the hamsters while rioting didn't blow up or burn anything out this time. :o :o :o
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 05 December 2018, 23:31:25
In the absence of somewhere to rant about Brexit, I took to bidding on ebay cars instead!  ::)  Luckily I'm tightfisted, so was outbid every time.  :D 

Thanks to TB's efforts I think I'm safe tonight!  :y
You have two great cars, stop trying to waste your money.  :)

OK Uncle STEMO.  :-[

Now it's winter though the 4x4 itch has started up again...  ::)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: aaronjb on 06 December 2018, 01:15:37
Apologies.

Primary DB server is proper fsck'd.  It corrupted the database on the secondary when it went.

We restored from a backup from 8pm last night (which is the last one that looks not to contain the corruption), so there may be some missing posts made after that time.


Because we are running from the secondary, which is normally responsible for backups, the entire site will be unusable when backups are taken.  This is likely to be early morning, between 6 and 7am, give or take. This is due to the way the database has to be locked for the period of the backup.

It will be a few days before a pair of new database servers can be stood up, and normality returns.

I hear there is this newfangled "Cloud" thing, apparently you just throw everything into the cloud and it takes care of itself by magic. Sounds like it would save you loads of time and money. You should look into it  :y

;)

(At least I assume that's how the conversations go at Board level in companies these days...)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 06 December 2018, 01:22:53


I hear there is this newfangled "Cloud" thing, apparently you just throw everything into the cloud and it takes care of itself by magic.

What happens when you get a "Cloud Burst"?  ??? 
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: BazaJT on 06 December 2018, 07:56:30
Your computer gets wet :D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Rods2 on 06 December 2018, 09:40:27
Apologies.

Primary DB server is proper fsck'd.  It corrupted the database on the secondary when it went.

We restored from a backup from 8pm last night (which is the last one that looks not to contain the corruption), so there may be some missing posts made after that time.


Because we are running from the secondary, which is normally responsible for backups, the entire site will be unusable when backups are taken.  This is likely to be early morning, between 6 and 7am, give or take. This is due to the way the database has to be locked for the period of the backup.

It will be a few days before a pair of new database servers can be stood up, and normality returns.

I hear there is this newfangled "Cloud" thing, apparently you just throw everything into the cloud and it takes care of itself by magic. Sounds like it would save you loads of time and money. You should look into it  :y

;)

(At least I assume that's how the conversations go at Board level in companies these days...)

All routes lead back to the bottleneck HD array writes. Memory based db reads are fine, but writes on a busy cloud server IME are like queues on a bank holiday Disney ride. :-[ ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 06 December 2018, 11:04:22
I remember the old half crown and tanner.

Some on here will remember when the groat was still legal tender. :)

You don't mention the "Threepenny Bits" Opti. . . .

most unlike you not to mention those  ;D ;D ;D

Nor the lovely farthing that used to buy me 4 Black Jacks or Fruit Salads! :D ;)
I'm the same age as you, Lizzie, and I'm pretty sure blackjacks and fruit salads were four for a penny.  :-\

No,I am sure, unless my long term memory is as shot as my short term one, that they were 16 for 1d or 8 for 1/2d, 4 for 1/4d in 1958.  In 1965 when I started working behind a retail confectionery counter the farthing had gone, but even then Fruit Salads and Black Jacks were 8 for 1d.  Remember even the large Mars Bar was just 3d in those (late 1950's) days. :D

I have though tried to double check my facts but so far cannot come up with the confirmation, or the other, that what I remember is true or not.

Does anyone out their still have a Trebor price list for 1958? :D ;)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Bigron on 06 December 2018, 11:10:50
The earliest that I can remember are halfpeny chews and "flying saucers" at 4 for 1d. Oh, and frozen Jubblies in their tetrahedron packaging - lasted for ages!

Ron.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Rods2 on 06 December 2018, 12:04:46
I remember the old half crown and tanner.

Some on here will remember when the groat was still legal tender. :)

You don't mention the "Threepenny Bits" Opti. . . .

most unlike you not to mention those  ;D ;D ;D

Nor the lovely farthing that used to buy me 4 Black Jacks or Fruit Salads! :D ;)
I'm the same age as you, Lizzie, and I'm pretty sure blackjacks and fruit salads were four for a penny.  :-\

Blackjacks & Fruit Salad sweets I remembers as 4 for 1d in the early 1960's like this:

https://www.doyouremember.co.uk/memory/blackjacks (https://www.doyouremember.co.uk/memory/blackjacks)

My first memories of sweets were those along with sherbert fountains with the central liquorish stick and a tin of Roses or Quality Street at Christmas.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: STEMO on 06 December 2018, 12:16:24
I remember the old half crown and tanner.

Some on here will remember when the groat was still legal tender. :)

You don't mention the "Threepenny Bits" Opti. . . .

most unlike you not to mention those  ;D ;D ;D

Nor the lovely farthing that used to buy me 4 Black Jacks or Fruit Salads! :D ;)
I'm the same age as you, Lizzie, and I'm pretty sure blackjacks and fruit salads were four for a penny.  :-\

No,I am sure, unless my long term memory is as shot as my short term one, that they were 16 for 1d or 8 for 1/2d, 4 for 1/4d in 1958.  In 1965 when I started working behind a retail confectionery counter the farthing had gone, but even then Fruit Salads and Black Jacks were 8 for 1d.  Remember even the large Mars Bar was just 3d in those (late 1950's) days. :D

I have though tried to double check my facts but so far cannot come up with the confirmation, or the other, that what I remember is true or not.

Does anyone out their still have a Trebor price list for 1958? :D ;)
https://springchicken.co.uk/entertainment/memory-lane/what-sweets-could-you-buy-for-a-penny/

https://www.doyouremember.co.uk/memory/blackjacks
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 06 December 2018, 16:40:21
I remember the old half crown and tanner.

Some on here will remember when the groat was still legal tender. :)

You don't mention the "Threepenny Bits" Opti. . . .

most unlike you not to mention those  ;D ;D ;D

Nor the lovely farthing that used to buy me 4 Black Jacks or Fruit Salads! :D ;)
I'm the same age as you, Lizzie, and I'm pretty sure blackjacks and fruit salads were four for a penny.  :-\

No,I am sure, unless my long term memory is as shot as my short term one, that they were 16 for 1d or 8 for 1/2d, 4 for 1/4d in 1958.  In 1965 when I started working behind a retail confectionery counter the farthing had gone, but even then Fruit Salads and Black Jacks were 8 for 1d.  Remember even the large Mars Bar was just 3d in those (late 1950's) days. :D

I have though tried to double check my facts but so far cannot come up with the confirmation, or the other, that what I remember is true or not.

Does anyone out their still have a Trebor price list for 1958? :D ;)
https://springchicken.co.uk/entertainment/memory-lane/what-sweets-could-you-buy-for-a-penny/

https://www.doyouremember.co.uk/memory/blackjacks

Thanks for those links which prove me wrong!! :y :y

It seems my memory has distorted what we could buy for a farthing in 1958, but that is probably because I was so small and Black Jacks  and Fruit Salads seemed sooooo big! :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 December 2018, 16:52:52
We were so poor sucking on a piece of coal was considered a luxury.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 December 2018, 16:54:54
Pez machines. :y
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: STEMO on 06 December 2018, 16:56:34
I don't ever remember using farthings. Pennies and hapennies are my earliest memory. You could have 24 quite large copper coins in your pocket and only have the equivalent of today's 5p tiddler.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: STEMO on 06 December 2018, 16:59:04
Pez machines. :y
Don't remember those  :-\
I remember the machines that gave you 5 park drive. In fact, if you hit them hard enough with a bat, they'd give you enough for everyone in the street, including adults.  ;D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 December 2018, 16:59:16
I don't ever remember using farthings. Pennies and hapennies are my earliest memory. You could have 24 quite large copper coins in your pocket and only have the equivalent of today's 5p tiddler.

Yes. Before my time.

I remember the old ten bob note. A type of salmon pink colour if memory serves.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 December 2018, 17:01:19
Pez machines. :y
Don't remember those  :-\
I remember the machines that gave you 5 park drive. In fact, if you hit them hard enough with a bat, they'd give you enough for everyone in the street, including adults.  ;D

I well remember the old cigarette machines. They used to give you free fags at 3 A.M...... ::)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: STEMO on 06 December 2018, 17:02:05
I don't ever remember using farthings. Pennies and hapennies are my earliest memory. You could have 24 quite large copper coins in your pocket and only have the equivalent of today's 5p tiddler.

Yes. Before my time.

I remember the old ten bob note. A type of salmon pink colour if memory serves.
My missus has got one in a charm in her bracelet. (Which is worth far more than any of the modern shite she wears, but is hiding in a drawer somewhere).
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: STEMO on 06 December 2018, 17:02:42
Pez machines. :y
Don't remember those  :-\
I remember the machines that gave you 5 park drive. In fact, if you hit them hard enough with a bat, they'd give you enough for everyone in the street, including adults.  ;D

I well remember the old cigarette machines. They used to give you free fags at 3 A.M...... ::)
Security wasn't their strong point.  ;D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: dave the builder on 06 December 2018, 17:03:52
Pez machines. :y
available at lidl  :y relaunched

yes, I sometimes shop at Lidl , I'm poor now i have to put petrol in a 26MPG omega ,used to get 33+ in my old, polluting ,inefficient Carlton  ::)
Plus, it's the nearest supermarket too me .
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: STEMO on 06 December 2018, 17:07:14
Pez machines. :y
available at lidl  :y relaunched

yes, I sometimes shop at Lidl , I'm poor now i have to put petrol in a 26MPG omega ,used to get 33+ in my old, polluting ,inefficient Carlton  ::)
Plus, it's the nearest supermarket too me .
Nowt wrong with Lidl, or Aldi, although I can never find everything I want to do a big shop.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 06 December 2018, 17:27:30
I don't ever remember using farthings. Pennies and hapennies are my earliest memory. You could have 24 quite large copper coins in your pocket and only have the equivalent of today's 5p tiddler.

Yes. Before my time.

I remember the old ten bob note. A type of salmon pink colour if memory serves.

Yeah, sure Opti!! :o :o ::) ::)

Who are you trying to kid? ;D ;D :-* :-* :-*

If you have really forgotten, they were the coins with a cute robin on the reverse. :D :y
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 06 December 2018, 17:29:32
Pez machines. :y
available at lidl  :y relaunched

yes, I sometimes shop at Lidl , I'm poor now i have to put petrol in a 26MPG omega ,used to get 33+ in my old, polluting ,inefficient Carlton  ::)
Plus, it's the nearest supermarket too me .
Nowt wrong with Lidl, or Aldi, although I can never find everything I want to do a big shop.

Trouble is you go in for a bag of apples and come out with a bench grinder, a wet and dry vac and a set of new screwdrivers.  ::) 

Then on your way home you think " Oh FFS I forgot the apples! "  ;D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 December 2018, 17:32:45
I don't ever remember using farthings. Pennies and hapennies are my earliest memory. You could have 24 quite large copper coins in your pocket and only have the equivalent of today's 5p tiddler.

Yes. Before my time.

I remember the old ten bob note. A type of salmon pink colour if memory serves.

Yeah, sure Opti!! :o :o ::) ::)

Who are you trying to kid? ;D ;D :-* :-* :-*

If you have really forgotten, they were the coins with a cute robin on the reverse. :D :y

I know they were about the size of the decimal 'half pee' Lizzie......but they were not about when I was a nipper. :y :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*



Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 06 December 2018, 17:37:35
I don't ever remember using farthings. Pennies and hapennies are my earliest memory. You could have 24 quite large copper coins in your pocket and only have the equivalent of today's 5p tiddler.

Yes. Before my time.

I remember the old ten bob note. A type of salmon pink colour if memory serves.

Yeah, sure Opti!! :o :o ::) ::)

Who are you trying to kid? ;D ;D :-* :-* :-*

If you have really forgotten, they were the coins with a cute robin on the reverse. :D :y

I know they were about the size of the decimal 'half pee' Lizzie......but they were not about when I was a nipper. :y :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

 ;D ;D ;D :y

I have a Third of a Farthing and if you think the farthing was small you should see that!! :o :o  .....................and NO!, I do not remember those being in circulation! ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 December 2018, 17:49:29
I don't ever remember using farthings. Pennies and hapennies are my earliest memory. You could have 24 quite large copper coins in your pocket and only have the equivalent of today's 5p tiddler.

Yes. Before my time.

I remember the old ten bob note. A type of salmon pink colour if memory serves.

Yeah, sure Opti!! :o :o ::) ::)

Who are you trying to kid? ;D ;D :-* :-* :-*

If you have really forgotten, they were the coins with a cute robin on the reverse. :D :y

I know they were about the size of the decimal 'half pee' Lizzie......but they were not about when I was a nipper. :y :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

 ;D ;D ;D :y

I have a Third of a Farthing and if you think the farthing was small you should see that!! :o :o  .....................and NO!, I do not remember those being in circulation! ;D ;D ;)


.....and what of the groat? :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: TheBoy on 06 December 2018, 18:08:05
Apologies.

Primary DB server is proper fsck'd.  It corrupted the database on the secondary when it went.

We restored from a backup from 8pm last night (which is the last one that looks not to contain the corruption), so there may be some missing posts made after that time.


Because we are running from the secondary, which is normally responsible for backups, the entire site will be unusable when backups are taken.  This is likely to be early morning, between 6 and 7am, give or take. This is due to the way the database has to be locked for the period of the backup.

It will be a few days before a pair of new database servers can be stood up, and normality returns.

I hear there is this newfangled "Cloud" thing, apparently you just throw everything into the cloud and it takes care of itself by magic. Sounds like it would save you loads of time and money. You should look into it  :y

;)

(At least I assume that's how the conversations go at Board level in companies these days...)
Its sorta nearly on a cloud, depending on definition...

But MySQL sucks, as you well know, and is perfectly happy to replicate its corruption everywhere.

That's why we (normally) back it up hourly, and have a server dedicate to this single task.


Did I mention MySQL sucks.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Rods2 on 06 December 2018, 18:19:50
iirc 1/2d had a picture of a sailing ship on them? Farthings were before my time. As a child I won a battered old 1846 1d in a game of nearest the wall (before our headmaster banned the game) and the size and thickness of that compared to contemporary 1ds, is like 1p compared to 1d. I've still got it in the attic somewhere. It is like this but a bit more battered.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1846-Penny/312347253477?hash=item48b958dae5:g:WTQAAOSwfX9cAbGG (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1846-Penny/312347253477?hash=item48b958dae5:g:WTQAAOSwfX9cAbGG)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: dave the builder on 06 December 2018, 18:20:44
Pez machines. :y
available at lidl  :y relaunched

yes, I sometimes shop at Lidl , I'm poor now i have to put petrol in a 26MPG omega ,used to get 33+ in my old, polluting ,inefficient Carlton  ::)
Plus, it's the nearest supermarket too me .
Nowt wrong with Lidl, or Aldi, although I can never find everything I want to do a big shop.

Trouble is you go in for a bag of apples and come out with a bench grinder, a wet and dry vac and a set of new screwdrivers.  ::) 

Then on your way home you think " Oh FFS I forgot the apples! "  ;D
:D ;D
you been spying on me  ;D
Mrs Builder can get the apples  ::)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: BazaJT on 06 December 2018, 18:37:30
ISTR getting 10 black jacks/fruit salad for 1d a jubbly was 3d Saturday matinee was 7d[cheap seats]or 10d[posh seats.Ha'penny did have a depiction of a sailing ship while the thrupenny bit had a portcullis.Don't really remember the farthing but they must have been around.The groat[I don't know when that went out of circulation]was a silver coin worth the equivalent of 4d.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 December 2018, 18:41:26
ISTR getting 10 black jacks/fruit salad for 1d a jubbly was 3d Saturday matinee was 7d[cheap seats]or 10d[posh seats.Ha'penny did have a depiction of a sailing ship while the thrupenny bit had a portcullis.Don't really remember the farthing but they must have been around.The groat[I don't know when that went out of circulation]was a silver coin worth the equivalent of 4d.


In the 14th century when Lizzie was no more than 'a slip of a girl'....... :)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: BazaJT on 06 December 2018, 18:51:09
You're a braver man than me Opti.I wouldn't want a late night visit from an angry Lizzie :D ;D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 06 December 2018, 19:35:20
ISTR getting 10 black jacks/fruit salad for 1d a jubbly was 3d Saturday matinee was 7d[cheap seats]or 10d[posh seats.Ha'penny did have a depiction of a sailing ship while the thrupenny bit had a portcullis.Don't really remember the farthing but they must have been around.The groat[I don't know when that went out of circulation]was a silver coin worth the equivalent of 4d.


In the 14th century when Lizzie was no more than 'a slip of a girl'....... :)

Funnily enough I have always thought / had a very strange feeling that I lived in Elizabethan times, so maybe the 16th century!! :o :o ::) ;)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 06 December 2018, 19:36:06
You're a braver man than me Opti.I wouldn't want a late night visit from an angry Lizzie :D ;D

I do not like seeing myself late at night Baza!! :o :o :D ;)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: aaronjb on 06 December 2018, 19:47:09
Its sorta nearly on a cloud, depending on definition...

But MySQL sucks, as you well know, and is perfectly happy to replicate its corruption everywhere.

That's why we (normally) back it up hourly, and have a server dedicate to this single task.


Did I mention MySQL sucks.

Likewise, you know I'm just ripping the piss about the Cloud thing .. because it grips my shit when companies actually fall for that line of thinking. Over and over again. Anyhooo ;D

P.S. MySQL is dead. You should be using MariaDB. It's like toootally different. Except it's the same. ;D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 06 December 2018, 21:25:47
Its sorta nearly on a cloud, depending on definition...

But MySQL sucks, as you well know, and is perfectly happy to replicate its corruption everywhere.

That's why we (normally) back it up hourly, and have a server dedicate to this single task.


Did I mention MySQL sucks.

Likewise, you know I'm just ripping the piss about the Cloud thing .. because it grips my shit when companies actually fall for that line of thinking. Over and over again. Anyhooo ;D

P.S. MySQL is dead. You should be using MariaDB. It's like toootally different. Except it's the same. ;D
Is it cloud based? :D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 06 December 2018, 23:00:38
Pez machines. :y
Don't remember those  :-\
I remember the machines that gave you 5 park drive. In fact, if you hit them hard enough with a bat, they'd give you enough for everyone in the street, including adults.  ;D

I well remember the old cigarette machines. They used to give you free fags at 3 A.M...... ::)
Security wasn't their strong point.  ;D

Your not wrong. My Grandad nicked a whole machine from a pub and had it proudly displayed on his living room wall for decades.  ;D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Gaffers on 06 December 2018, 23:18:03
Cloud = somebody else's computer = fingers in ears singing 'la la la, la la la theres no problem with that'
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: 78bex on 06 December 2018, 23:41:18
I don't ever remember using farthings. Pennies and hapennies are my earliest memory. You could have 24 quite large copper coins in your pocket and only have the equivalent of today's 5p tiddler.

Yes. Before my time.

I remember the old ten bob note. A type of salmon pink colour if memory serves.

Yeah, sure Opti!! :o :o ::) ::)

Who are you trying to kid? ;D ;D :-* :-* :-*

If you have really forgotten, they were the coins with a cute robin on the reverse. :D :y

I found a few battered farthings metal detecting on a nearby hill & on mine it doesn`t look like  a Robin,  it looks more like Wren to me  ??? maybe I`ve found some rare coins   :y
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Bigron on 07 December 2018, 00:00:36
Sorry, NOT a rare coin - it is a wren!

Ron.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Bigron on 07 December 2018, 00:10:01
Does anyone remember what we used to call the Honolulu penny? Later pennies had Britania's trident resting on her knee; earlier ones had the trident resting "on her lulu"!

Ron.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 07 December 2018, 10:10:54
Sorry, NOT a rare coin - it is a wren!

Ron.

Yes, it was a wren Ron, but I always thought at the time it should be a robin, so at the age of 5 it WAS a robin to me!! ::) ::) :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Bigron on 07 December 2018, 10:53:56
Perception over-rides reality any day, Lizzie! :y

Ron.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 07 December 2018, 10:57:43
Perception over-rides reality any day, Lizzie! :y

Ron.

Yep, when you are a child.......!! ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 December 2018, 11:01:03
I have a bag of old pre-decimal coins. Not rare and worth very little.

I have a couple late Victorian pennies from 1898 and 1900, along with  1906 and 1907 pennies from the reign of her drunken womanising son, Edward the seventh. :y
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 07 December 2018, 11:05:49
I have a bag of old pre-decimal coins. Not rare and worth very little.

I have a couple late Victorian pennies from 1898 and 1900, along with  1906 and 1907 pennies from the reign of her drunken womanising son, Edward the seventh. :y

He was a very popular King I believe?  :y

But was he the one that was rumoured to be Jack the Ripper in his youth? or was that one of his bothers?  ???  :-\

One for Lizzie?  ???  :y
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 December 2018, 11:10:29
I have a bag of old pre-decimal coins. Not rare and worth very little.

I have a couple late Victorian pennies from 1898 and 1900, along with  1906 and 1907 pennies from the reign of her drunken womanising son, Edward the seventh. :y

He was a very popular King I believe? :y

But was he the one that was rumoured to be Jack the Ripper in his youth? or was that one of his bothers?  ???  :-\

One for Lizzie?  ???  :y


Yep.....I think he enjoyed women and drink and was not adverse to frequenting places of ill repute. :y

As for Jack the Ripper.......I heard it was the personal doctor of Queen Victoria.......or perhaps her grandson Kaiser Wilhelm the second. ::) ::)





Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 December 2018, 11:17:20
Kaiser Wilhelm was an 'oddball'. A man with unnatural  sexual interest in his mother.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 07 December 2018, 11:25:18
I have a bag of old pre-decimal coins. Not rare and worth very little.

I have a couple late Victorian pennies from 1898 and 1900, along with  1906 and 1907 pennies from the reign of her drunken womanising son, Edward the seventh. :y

He was a very popular King I believe?  :y

But was he the one that was rumoured to be Jack the Ripper in his youth? or was that one of his bothers?  ??? :-\

One for Lizzie?  ???  :y

Neither Opti.  It was suggested that Prince Albert Edward Victor, Duke of Clarence, one of the Grandson's of Queen Victoria,son of Prince of Wales "Bertie", later King Edward VII, was, but there is absolutely no proof whatsoever that he could have been. 

Various suspects have been named, which I will not repeat here as nothing was ever proved.  However, a certain butchers cartman / delivery man has been fairly recently noted by some historians as being an extremely likely candidate based on various facts surrounding him.  These include his route to work through the Whitechapel area which coincides with where the victims were found, his knowledge of carcass dissection within the his working duties, and his permanent state of dress, which was an apron that would be covered in blood from the meat he carried. Nothing again has been definitely proved, nor will it ever be now, leading to it being one of those wonderful historical unresolvable mysteries. :y
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: BazaJT on 07 December 2018, 14:56:07
There were reports some years ago that a letter-or some kind of paperwork-had come to light in Australia that pointed to Jack the ripper as being a woman.But as Lizzie states it's a crime that will never be solved with certainty.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Bigron on 07 December 2018, 15:29:03
I recall a story from some years back wherein a man on the gallows about to be hanged called out "I am Jack.....". He never finished the sentence, for obvious reasons, and it was assumed that he meant to claim to be Jack the Ripper. Lizzie, any thoughts?

Ron.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 07 December 2018, 16:04:26
I recall a story from some years back wherein a man on the gallows about to be hanged called out "I am Jack.....". He never finished the sentence, for obvious reasons, and it was assumed that he meant to claim to be Jack the Ripper. Lizzie, any thoughts?

Ron.

Do not know of that case, but there have been hundreds of suggestions of who it could have been, with a large number of people claiming to have been him to gain some form of weird notoriety, such as probably was the case with that man about to be hung.

As I said though we will never really know who it was, but it continues to keep historians interested in that field busy, and no doubt will sell books on the subject for hundreds of years to come! ;)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 December 2018, 16:18:55
I recall a story from some years back wherein a man on the gallows about to be hanged called out "I am Jack.....". He never finished the sentence, for obvious reasons, and it was assumed that he meant to claim to be Jack the Ripper. Lizzie, any thoughts?

Ron.

Perhaps he was called Jack. :)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: TheBoy on 08 December 2018, 10:13:00
P.S. MySQL is dead. You should be using MariaDB. It's like toootally different. Except it's the same. ;D
Errr, well, yes, force of habit. It is MariaDB. But nobody has ever heard of that.

It still corrupts its DB all the time, its its InnoDB recovery methods are somewhere between destructive and catastrophic. rm -rf /var/lib/mysql is the only viable recovery.

Did I mention its shit?
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Rods2 on 08 December 2018, 12:39:57
OOF seemed a bit slow earlier, so I just assumed the hamster in its yellow jacket had escaped and was rioting in Paris all weekend. ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: TheBoy on 08 December 2018, 17:59:53
OOF seemed a bit slow earlier, so I just assumed the hamster in its yellow jacket had escaped and was rioting in Paris all weekend. ::) ::) ::)
We're currently back on SAS spinny drives for a bit, following a controller glitch on the SSDs (which are SATA)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: dave the builder on 08 December 2018, 18:17:47
Oh dear , lots of tech issues
Thanks for taking the time to sort it  :y
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: TheBoy on 08 December 2018, 18:54:57
It will be a few days before a pair of new database servers can be stood up, and normality returns.
Now running from the new database (virtual) servers.

When I regain confidence in the SATA controllers on the physical servers, we'll go back onto the SSDs. But for now, on old fashioned hard drives (although SAS, not SATA, so performance shouldn't be utterly dire)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 08 December 2018, 19:42:53
It will be a few days before a pair of new database servers can be stood up, and normality returns.
Now running from the new database (virtual) servers.

When I regain confidence in the SATA controllers on the physical servers, we'll go back onto the SSDs. But for now, on old fashioned hard drives (although SAS, not SATA, so performance shouldn't be utterly dire)

To me that is all double Dutch, but rather sexy!! 8) 8) ;)

All I know is you TB do an awful lot to keep the show on the road which I for one thank you for :-* :-* :y :y
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Nick W on 08 December 2018, 19:59:34
It will be a few days before a pair of new database servers can be stood up, and normality returns.
Now running from the new database (virtual) servers.

When I regain confidence in the SATA controllers on the physical servers, we'll go back onto the SSDs. But for now, on old fashioned hard drives (although SAS, not SATA, so performance shouldn't be utterly dire)

To me that is all double Dutch, but rather sexy!! 8) 8) ;)



In English it means that he tripped over the power cord to the computer that runs OOF while staggering to the bog after another naga ::)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Darius on 08 December 2018, 20:27:11
It was suggested that Prince Albert Edward Victor, Duke of Clarence, one of the Grandson's of Queen Victoria,son of Prince of Wales "Bertie", later King Edward VII, was, but there is absolutely no proof whatsoever that he could have been.
I have somehow acquired two Ripper books.

They all love Jack by Bruce Robinson makes a convincing case for a strong Masonic influence and for the Ripper to have been Michael Maybrick, a famous songwriter.

The Diary of Jack the Ripper by Shirley Harrison makes a convincing case for the Ripper to have been James Maybrick, a cotton merchant from Liverpool.  His wife Florie was later convicted of poisoning him, but it now looks decidedly unlikely she was guilty.

Strangely, Michael and James were brothers.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 08 December 2018, 21:08:21
It was suggested that Prince Albert Edward Victor, Duke of Clarence, one of the Grandson's of Queen Victoria,son of Prince of Wales "Bertie", later King Edward VII, was, but there is absolutely no proof whatsoever that he could have been.
I have somehow acquired two Ripper books.

They all love Jack by Bruce Robinson makes a convincing case for a strong Masonic influence and for the Ripper to have been Michael Maybrick, a famous songwriter.

The Diary of Jack the Ripper by Shirley Harrison makes a convincing case for the Ripper to have been James Maybrick, a cotton merchant from Liverpool.  His wife Florie was later convicted of poisoning him, but it now looks decidedly unlikely she was guilty.

Strangely, Michael and James were brothers.

Yes, many people were suspects for all kinds of reasons, but again it must be said that there is no evidence that would stand up in a court of law to convict anyone of this crime.

Those books you have are just two of many, let alone all the articles and documentaries that exist out there, but that just proves there is still money to be made with this story. ;)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Rods2 on 09 December 2018, 03:05:27
OOF seemed a bit slow earlier, so I just assumed the hamster in its yellow jacket had escaped and was rioting in Paris all weekend. ::) ::) ::)
We're currently back on SAS spinny drives for a bit, following a controller glitch on the SSDs (which are SATA)

Scratch chin, why would SSDs make a difference as I would expect the reverse with slower HDDs with possible queue buffer overflow?
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: TheBoy on 09 December 2018, 10:05:06
OOF seemed a bit slow earlier, so I just assumed the hamster in its yellow jacket had escaped and was rioting in Paris all weekend. ::) ::) ::)
We're currently back on SAS spinny drives for a bit, following a controller glitch on the SSDs (which are SATA)

Scratch chin, why would SSDs make a difference as I would expect the reverse with slower HDDs with possible queue buffer overflow?
It looked like the SATA controller lockup, rather than the SSD, but hard to prove, hence having non critical stuff on the SATA SSDs to get confidence back. Some of HPE's firmwares over the past couple of years do leave a lot to be desired :(

So we're on the SAS controllers, well away from anything SATA, for a bit.  None of the SAS stuff has shown any issues.

We do not use SATA hard drives, because they are universally rubbish when it comes to performance - I guarantee if I swapped out the SAS for SATA, we'd see disk latencies measured in seconds, once the caches were exhausted.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 09 December 2018, 13:26:31
OOF seemed a bit slow earlier, so I just assumed the hamster in its yellow jacket had escaped and was rioting in Paris all weekend. ::) ::) ::)
We're currently back on SAS spinny drives for a bit, following a controller glitch on the SSDs (which are SATA)

Scratch chin, why would SSDs make a difference as I would expect the reverse with slower HDDs with possible queue buffer overflow?
It looked like the SATA controller lockup, rather than the SSD, but hard to prove, hence having non critical stuff on the SATA SSDs to get confidence back. Some of HPE's firmwares over the past couple of years do leave a lot to be desired :(

So we're on the SAS controllers, well away from anything SATA, for a bit.  None of the SAS stuff has shown any issues.

We do not use SATA hard drives, because they are universally rubbish when it comes to performance - I guarantee if I swapped out the SAS for SATA, we'd see disk latencies measured in seconds, once the caches were exhausted.

Keep talking sexy TB; send in the wonderful SAS they will usually win through and resolve all issues! :D :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Gaffers on 09 December 2018, 19:40:58
OOF seemed a bit slow earlier, so I just assumed the hamster in its yellow jacket had escaped and was rioting in Paris all weekend. ::) ::) ::)
We're currently back on SAS spinny drives for a bit, following a controller glitch on the SSDs (which are SATA)

Scratch chin, why would SSDs make a difference as I would expect the reverse with slower HDDs with possible queue buffer overflow?
It looked like the SATA controller lockup, rather than the SSD, but hard to prove, hence having non critical stuff on the SATA SSDs to get confidence back. Some of HPE's firmwares over the past couple of years do leave a lot to be desired :(

So we're on the SAS controllers, well away from anything SATA, for a bit.  None of the SAS stuff has shown any issues.

We do not use SATA hard drives, because they are universally rubbish when it comes to performance - I guarantee if I swapped out the SAS for SATA, we'd see disk latencies measured in seconds, once the caches were exhausted.

Keep talking sexy TB; send in the wonderful SAS they will usually win through and resolve all issues! :D :D :D ;)

You have a strange definition of sexy .
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 09 December 2018, 19:50:18
OOF seemed a bit slow earlier, so I just assumed the hamster in its yellow jacket had escaped and was rioting in Paris all weekend. ::) ::) ::)
We're currently back on SAS spinny drives for a bit, following a controller glitch on the SSDs (which are SATA)

Scratch chin, why would SSDs make a difference as I would expect the reverse with slower HDDs with possible queue buffer overflow?
It looked like the SATA controller lockup, rather than the SSD, but hard to prove, hence having non critical stuff on the SATA SSDs to get confidence back. Some of HPE's firmwares over the past couple of years do leave a lot to be desired :(

So we're on the SAS controllers, well away from anything SATA, for a bit.  None of the SAS stuff has shown any issues.

We do not use SATA hard drives, because they are universally rubbish when it comes to performance - I guarantee if I swapped out the SAS for SATA, we'd see disk latencies measured in seconds, once the caches were exhausted.

Keep talking sexy TB; send in the wonderful SAS they will usually win through and resolve all issues! :D :D :D ;)

You have a strange definition of sexy .

Probably :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: dave the builder on 09 December 2018, 20:04:06
The S.A.S would blow up the internet box :o
then where would we be  :-\
No Chinese tat deliveries off ebay , in fact, NO the OOF even  :(
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 December 2018, 20:30:56
I have been thinking about the internet recently and weighing up the good and bad things about it. I have decided on balance that overall it probably hasn't been a good thing for humanity and we were probably better off before we had it.  :)
Tin hat on.  ;D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 09 December 2018, 20:38:47
We all probably got a lot more done, and didn't have as much 'stuff' cluttering up our homes!  ;D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 December 2018, 22:37:30
I have been thinking about the internet recently and weighing up the good and bad things about it. I have decided on balance that overall it probably hasn't been a good thing for humanity and we were probably better off before we had it.  :)
Tin hat on.  ;D
Work would be crap without it... Playing by yourself all night would cause you all kinds of problems... Or worse yet, having to actually do summat :o
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 December 2018, 23:22:27
I would have to buy a lot more books to read.  ;D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: TheBoy on 10 December 2018, 18:16:13
I have been thinking about the internet recently and weighing up the good and bad things about it. I have decided on balance that overall it probably hasn't been a good thing for humanity and we were probably better off before we had it.  :)
Tin hat on.  ;D
I do feel that social media, particularly things along the lines of Arsebook and Twotter, are the cancer of modern society.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Rods2 on 11 December 2018, 18:44:28
OOF seemed a bit slow earlier, so I just assumed the hamster in its yellow jacket had escaped and was rioting in Paris all weekend. ::) ::) ::)
We're currently back on SAS spinny drives for a bit, following a controller glitch on the SSDs (which are SATA)

Scratch chin, why would SSDs make a difference as I would expect the reverse with slower HDDs with possible queue buffer overflow?
It looked like the SATA controller lockup, rather than the SSD, but hard to prove, hence having non critical stuff on the SATA SSDs to get confidence back. Some of HPE's firmwares over the past couple of years do leave a lot to be desired :(

So we're on the SAS controllers, well away from anything SATA, for a bit.  None of the SAS stuff has shown any issues.

We do not use SATA hard drives, because they are universally rubbish when it comes to performance - I guarantee if I swapped out the SAS for SATA, we'd see disk latencies measured in seconds, once the caches were exhausted.

Keep talking sexy TB; send in the wonderful SAS they will usually win through and resolve all issues! :D :D :D ;)

Lizzies' disappointment is when TB's talking about floppy drives. :D :D ;D
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 December 2018, 19:14:47
OOF seemed a bit slow earlier, so I just assumed the hamster in its yellow jacket had escaped and was rioting in Paris all weekend. ::) ::) ::)
We're currently back on SAS spinny drives for a bit, following a controller glitch on the SSDs (which are SATA)

Scratch chin, why would SSDs make a difference as I would expect the reverse with slower HDDs with possible queue buffer overflow?
It looked like the SATA controller lockup, rather than the SSD, but hard to prove, hence having non critical stuff on the SATA SSDs to get confidence back. Some of HPE's firmwares over the past couple of years do leave a lot to be desired :(

So we're on the SAS controllers, well away from anything SATA, for a bit.  None of the SAS stuff has shown any issues.

We do not use SATA hard drives, because they are universally rubbish when it comes to performance - I guarantee if I swapped out the SAS for SATA, we'd see disk latencies measured in seconds, once the caches were exhausted.

Keep talking sexy TB; send in the wonderful SAS they will usually win through and resolve all issues! :D :D :D ;)

Lizzies' disappointment is when TB's talking about floppy drives. :D :D ;D

Yes Rod, when he does that the interest diminishes greatly! :o :o :D ;)
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: aaronjb on 12 December 2018, 08:53:14
I have been thinking about the internet recently and weighing up the good and bad things about it. I have decided on balance that overall it probably hasn't been a good thing for humanity and we were probably better off before we had it.  :)
Tin hat on.  ;D
I do feel that social media, particularly things along the lines of Arsebook and Twotter, are the cancer of modern society.

I don't think they are really anything new - there were BBSes before them and real-world social networks before that.. it's just that the barrier to entry has been lowered to "everyone".

So maybe it's not them that are the cancer on society. Maybe it's just humans.
Title: Re: Hamster fed
Post by: Rods2 on 12 December 2018, 15:42:27
The invention by German Gutenberg of the printing press caused similar problems in Europe where it was seen as the age of enlightenment with the increased printing of text for literature and a new age for everyone. Instead Luther harnessed it for political religious change so instead you got unrest, the Protestant Reformation and the triggering of the 30 years war, the deadliest religious war in history. :o :o :o

Russia's & China's use & abuse might trigger the same but we aren't there yet. ::) ::) ::)