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General Discussion Area / Re: Runng a car on tap water
« on: 17 September 2006, 08:22:29 »
Throttle Control

 

If you have a throttle position sensor, you should be able to access the signal from the sensor itself OR from the computer connector. This signal is input to the circuit as the primary control (i.e. throttle level = pulse width = vapor rate).

 

If you don't have such a signal available, you will have to rig a rotary POT (variable resistor) to the gas linkage (i.e. coupled to something at the gas pedal or throttle cable running to the carb or FI. If you make the attachment at the carb/FI, be sure to use a POT that can handle the engine temp cycles. Don't use a cheezy-cheapy POT; get one rated for long life and mechanical wear; mount it securely to something sturdy and stationary that will not fall apart when you step on the gas.

 

Control Range. The full throttle RANGE (idle-max) MUST control the vapor rate, i.e. pulse-width (duty). The resistor values at the throttle signal must allow the throttle signal voltage, say 1-4 Volt swing, to drive the VAPOR RATE. You will be using this voltage swing to generate a 10% ON 'square' pulse. The patent implies using a 'resonant' pulse in the 10-250 KHz frequency range; but it is not explicitly stated so.

 

In this circuit, you will simply tune to whatever frequency makes the most efficient vapor conversion. You will have to get into the specs for each IC you use, to insure you connect the right pins to the right wires, to control the frequency and pulse width. You can use spare sockets to try out different discrete component values. Just keep the ones that are spec-compatible in the circuit, and get the job done.

 

You crank up the throttle signal and put more electrical energy (fatter pulses) into the electrodes; verify you can get 10% duty on the scope (2 - 100 usec on the horizontal time-base). Your averaging DVM will display the 90%-10% DC voltage across the output transistor (Vce or Vds or Output to Ground). Set and connect DVM in the supply current and measure .5 - 5 amps, without blowing the DVM fuse. Now verify that you got everything you wanted.

 

Verify your wiring connections using your DVM as a continuity detector. Check your wiring 1 at a time and yellow line your final schematic as you go. You can best use board-mount miniature POTs for anything you want to set-and-forget. The LEDs are there to give you a quick visual check of normal vs abnormal operation of your new creation. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.

 

CARB/FI CONNECTION

 

The diagrams also show that fittings are required to the carb/FI l. There are ready-made kits (such as by Impco) available for making your pressure fittings to the carburetor or fuel-injector as the case may be. You will necessarily be sealing the built-in vents and making a 1-way air-intake.

 

The copper mesh comprises the inadvertent backfire' protection for the reaction chamber. Make sure that all vapor/duct junctions are air-tight and holding full pressure without leakage. Your new 'system' is considered successful and properly adjusted when you get the full power range at lower temp and minimum vapor flow without blowing the pressure safety valve.

 

CHT (or EGT)

 

Monitor your engine temp with the CHT (cylinder head temp) or EGT (exhaust gas temp) instead of your original engine temp indicator (if any). Your existing gauge is too slow for this application and will not warn you against overheating until after you have burnt something. Make sure that your engine runs no hotter than in the gasoline arrangement. VDO makes a CHT gauge with a platinum sensor that fits under your spark plug against the cylinder head (make sure it is really clean before you re-install your spark plug (as this is also an electrical ground).

 

ENGINE/EXHAUST TREATMENT

 

Get the valves replaced with stainless steel ones and get the pistons/cylinders ceramic-treated ASAP when you have successfully converted and run your new creation. Do not delay as these items will rust, either by sheer use or by neglect (i.e. letting it sit). You could make max use of your current exhaust system by using it with your new deal until it rusts through, then have your mechanic or welder friend to fit a stainless steel exhaust pipe (no catalytic converter is required). But it could be easier and cheaper to send your existing exhaust system out for the ceramic treatment, and then simply re-attach it to the exhaust ports.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Runng a car on tap water
« on: 17 September 2006, 08:19:16 »
STEP BY STEP CONSTRUCTION  

 

OVERVIEW - Here is the suggested sequence of steps:

 

1.      Install the CHT (or EGT) gauge and measure your current operating temp range (gasoline), for comparison.

 

2.      Build and test the controller to verify the correct pulse output.

 

3.      Build the reaction chamber and test it with the controller (i.e pressure out).

 

4.      Install the tank, controller, chamber, and pressure fittings.

 

5.      Run engine and adjust the control circuit as necessary for best performance.

 

6.      Install the stainless steel valves and get the pistons/cylinders coated with ceramic.

 

7.      Coat the exhaust system with ceramic without the catalytic converter (or let it rust out and then replace the whole dang thang with stainless steel pipe sections).

 

YOU WILL NEED

 

·        plastic water tank with pump and level sensor.

·        control circuit, wiring, connectors, and epoxy.

·        reaction chamber with electrodes and fittings.

·        3/8" stainless steel flex-tubing, fittings and clamps.

·        carb/FI vapor-pressure fitting kit. - pressure, CHT (or EGT), & level gauges.

·        stainless steel valves.

·        copper mesh junction.

·        ceramic surface treatment for cylinders & pistons.

·        stainless steel or ceramic treated exhaust assembly.

 

BASIC TOOLS

 

·        drill, screwdriver and pliers

·        hole cutter

·        wire-wrap, solder-iron and clippers

·        DVM and oscilloscope.

 

REACTION CHAMBER

 

Construct as shown in the diagram. Use a section of 4" PVC waste pipe with a threaded screw-cap fitting on one end and a standard end-cap at the other. Make sure to drill-and-epoxy or tap threads thru the PVC components for all fittings. Set and control the water level in the chamber so that it well submerses the pipe electrodes; yet leave some headroom to build up the hydrogen/oxygen vapor pressure. Use stainless steel wires inside the chamber or otherwise use a protective coating; use insulated wires outside. Ensure that the epoxy perfects the seal, or otherwise lay down a bead of water-proof silicone that can hold pressure.

 

The screw fitting may require soft silicone sealant, or a gasket; its purpose is to hold pressure and allow periodic inspection of the electrodes. No leaks, no problems. Make sure you get a symmetric 1-5mm gap between the 2 stainless steel pipes. The referenced literature suggests that the closer to 1mm you get, the better. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.

 

Make your solder connections at the wire/electrode junctions nice, smooth, and solid; then apply a water-proof coating, e.g. the epoxy you use for joining the pipes to the screw cap. This epoxy must be waterproof and be capable of holding metal to plastic under pressure. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.

 

CONTROL CIRCUIT

 

The diagrams show a simple circuit to control and drive this mini-system. You are going to make a 'square-pulse' signal that 'plays' the electrodes like a tuning fork; which you can watch on an oscilloscope. The premise given by the literature is: the faster you want do go down the road, the 'fatter' you make the pulses going into the reaction chamber. Duty cycle will vary with the throttle in the vicinity of 90%MARK 10%SPACE (OFF/ON).

 

There is nothing sacred about how the pulse waveform is generated; there are many ways to generate pulses, and the attached diagrams show a few. The NE555-circuit approach (see diagrams) is from the referenced patent. The output switching transistor must be rated for 1-5 amps @ 12VDC (in saturation).

 

Go with a plan that works for you or your friendly neighborhood technoid or mechanic, and go get all the circuit elements from your local electronics store, such as Radio-Shack or Circuits-R-Us, including the circuit board, IC sockets, and enclosure/box.

 

DigiKey has better selection, service, and knowledge; plus they have no minimum order. Be sure to use a circuit board with a built-in ground plane, and to accommodate room for mounting 2 or 3 of the gauges. Mounting the reaction chamber in the engine compartment will require running a stub to your pressure gauge where you can watch it.

 

You can easily make 30-gauge wire-wrap connections between the socket pins and thru-hole discrete components having wire leads. Also make sure to get spec sheets on any IC you use. More details of the best circuits to use will be announced pending prototype testing. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.


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General Discussion Area / Re: Runng a car on tap water
« on: 17 September 2006, 08:18:41 »
Read This

There are a few things you should know about gasoline:

Gasoline as a fuel is not necessary; it is optional.

Gasoline versus Water

There is a lot of thermochemical energy in gasoline, but there is even more energy in water. The DOE (Department of Energy) has quoted about 40%, so it is probably much more than that.
 
Most people are unaware that "internal combustion" is defined as "a thermo-vapor process" —as in "no liquid in the reaction." Most of the gasoline in a standard internal combustion engine is actually consumed, (cooked, and finally, broken down) in the catalytic converter after the fuel has been not-so-burnt in the engine. Sadly, this means that most of the fuel we use in this way is used only to cool down the combustion process, a pollution-ridden and inefficient means of doing that.


How It Works

Exceedingly simple. Water is pumped as needed to replenish and maintain the liquid level in the chamber. The electrodes are vibrated with a 0.5-5A electrical pulse which breaks 2(H2O) => 2H2 + O2. When the pressure reaches say 30-60 psi, you turn the key and go. You step on the pedal, you send more energy to the electrodes, and thus more vapor to the cylinders; i.e. fuel vapor on demand.


You set the idle max-flow rate to get the most efficient use of power, and you're off to the races.

 
In the big picture, your free energy is coming from the tap water in an open system, as the latent energy in the water is enough to power the engine and hence drive the alternator and whatever belt-driven accessories. And the alternator is efficient enough to run the various electrical loads (10 - 20 amps), including the additional low current to run this vapor reaction. No extra batteries are required.

17404
General Discussion Area / Re: Runng a car on tap water
« on: 17 September 2006, 08:17:40 »
The Plan

 
Build and install a low-cost alternative method for running your vehicle (internal combustion engine) on tap water, using off-the-shelf components.

This is simply an efficient way to convert ordinary tap water into gaseous hydrogen and oxygen, and then burn these vapors in the engine, instead of gasoline.

This "minisystem" runs easily from your existing battery and electrical system, and it plugs into your carburetor with simple off-the-shelf fittings.

You will be installing a plastic water tank, a control circuit, a reaction chamber, a hi-pressure carb/FI fitting, and 3 gauges, and then hooking into your existing carb/FI.

The simplicity comes from its being an "on-demand" system requiring no fancy storage or plumbing. You crank the gas pedal or throttle, and you electrically create more vapor for immediate consumption, on demand; low-high flow rate as needed, from idle to maximum power. The only real change is that you are using tap water as fuel, instead of the traditional petroleum-based fuel.

Given a choice, which way would you choose?

Frequently Asked Questions


Q: Does it really work ?

A: Yes; this is well-established technology dating back to stainless steel. But be sure to follow these instructions using the proper mechanical and electrical assembly techniques, as this plan incorporates the best qualities of several techniques.

 

Q: How does it qualify as "free energy"?

A: If you're paying someone for the water you use, then it is not strictly free. But the alternative is to keep buying into expen$ive ga$oline and its resultant hydrocarbon pollution.

 

Q: Is it safe?

A: Technically, it is safer than running on fossil fuel because you are no longer choking on your own emissions (health-wise). In general, it is practically as safe as your current gasoline arrangement. You will be installing a few simple safety devices, using current automotive standards.

 

Q: What kind of performance can I expect?

A: Properly adjusted, your modified vapor-only fuel system will run cooler, and at a modestly higher power level. The mileage performance expected from this design ranges from 50-300 mpg (of water), depending on your adjusting skills.

 

Q: Can I do the modification myself?

A: Why not? If you don't have any mechanical skills, and you know someone with basic mechanical and/or electrical skills, you can even delegate some of the construction. If you are using a fuel-injected engine, you may have to get a mechanic's opinion. [There will have to be an adapter inserted into the fuel-injection system, just as you would have to do if you were going to run on propane, hydrogen, or natural gas. Ed.)

 

Q: What is the environmental impact that my vehicle will have?

A: It will be producing H20 steam (water vapor) and unburnt O2 (Oxygen). Hence, it will be cleaning the environment, rather than dumping nauseous toxins into it. Plus you will be helping to save our dwindling supply of atmospheric oxygen. Any excess vapor in the reaction becomes either steam or oxygen. You can also expect to be receiving more than casual interest from those around you.

 

Q: Isn’t this really a steam engine?

A: No. Really. Exceedingly high temperature and pressure are not used. This is strictly an internal-combustion engine (burning orthohydrogen) with residual steam in the exhaust as a by-product

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General Discussion Area / Runng a car on tap water
« on: 17 September 2006, 08:17:04 »
[size=12]I found the below on the Internet. What do you make of this? I can see the scientific theory, but I'm unsure it would be this easy to do on a car engine![/size]

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General Discussion Area / Re: Cheap Omega anyone?
« on: 16 September 2006, 21:39:47 »
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No. I didn't say I had changed the cambelt kit.

I know you didn't mate!! But I bet you would have done, if it was one of your completed projects you were selling as decent and finished!



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General Discussion Area / Re: Cheap Omega anyone?
« on: 16 September 2006, 21:28:16 »
Extremely honest Mr McB!

Seriously, you're a good bloke - not many buggers would change a cambelt kit before flogging a car as good.

I admire what you do with these omega's.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Cheap Omega anyone?
« on: 16 September 2006, 21:17:13 »
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discount to forum members, You only pay Full price.

You make me chuckle everytime fin.

I've sent you a PM for more details. I may/may not be interested... no promises after reading your original post about this car :P

but I'll give it a look and some thought...

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General Discussion Area / Re: What annoys you most about other drivers
« on: 08 September 2006, 19:18:42 »
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j....... but as far as tailgaiting goes do you think that maybe you are not going fast enough, i always pull over where possible and let em off. no offence to any of ye

No, I totally disagree with this. If I am overtaking someone who is in lane 2 doing 60mph, usually a lorry and I am doing 70mph in lane 3, there is no justifyable reason for any brain dead numpty to be driving 8ft behind me. Once I have passed the lorry and gained a safe distance in front I return to lane 2 and then lane 1.

Tailgating is illegal under ALL circumstances. It is highly dangerous, irresponsible and unacceptable ever.

Trust me, I know what I am talking about here.

I totally agree with Fin, 100% - it is mindless, unexcusable and brain dead behaviour under ANY circumstances.

Just a shame the police don't do anything about it.

It should be punished as much as drink driving.

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General Discussion Area / Re: What annoys you most about other drivers
« on: 08 September 2006, 12:45:03 »
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as far as tailgaiting goes do you think that maybe you are not going fast enough, i always pull over where possible and let em off. no offence to any of ye

Sorry, but I have to strongly disagree.

If I'm travelling dead on the correct speed limit taking into account the road, traffic and whether conditions, they have no right tailgating and are just ARSEHOLES.

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I like the camera idea tunnie.

What camera setup would you use though?

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General Discussion Area / (Un)safe following distances - TAILGATING
« on: 07 September 2006, 11:59:33 »
I'm sure I'm not the only one to experience this, but I am absolutely SICK of winkers who insist on driving two inches from my rear bumper when I always try so hard to keep a safe distance myself.

As much as I love my Omega's - I'm giving some strong consideration to packing in my car and travelling around on trains instead, for this reason.

I cannot remember the last time I did the eleven mile drive to work or back, without at least one person driving dangerously close for a prolonged period of time.

Last night, I was on the A436 – Keeping a good distance from the traffic ahead. Watching them at a safe distance, they literally looked like a chain of cars joined together. They can’t have been able to see anything ahead, apart from the boot of whatever was in front.

It seems to me that the law does bugger all to prevent a practice which is hugely unsafe.

There is absolutely no reason for it; nobody gets there any faster by tailgating. Yet so many people do it.

Sheer selfishness. Putting the lives of families at risk to get to work 2 minutes faster.

I’m a safe, (reasonably law abiding!) and confident driver, but I’m slowly starting to loose my confidence and have very little enjoyment in driving anymore.

I can’t work out whether many tailgaters are aware of what they’re actually doing, or not. They act as if they’re not, however it takes loads more concentration to drive close to something, than it does to keep at a comfortable distance. To me – it’s natural to keep further back because it’s easier!

I have tried all tactics to remove tailgaters easily, and literally nothing works. If you slow down – they get closer. If you speed up – they stay on your arse. If you dab the brakes – they usually start being aggressive which can be very dangerous. I mildly dabbed the brakes on a very bad tailgater the other day. He followed me for miles, lights flashing, in a very dangerous manner. I only finally lost him when I pulled onto the M5 and gave the V6 some welly. (Left his rover 200 standing!)

Later that evening I had a visit from the police – he reported ME for dangerous driving. Even though he followed me aggressively for so long. Utter crap – I was keeping to speed limits and abiding by the road rules. Thankfully it didn’t go anywhere legally due to no evidence, but it was a horrible experience and just goes to show. However because he was in his mid 30’s, and I’m 22 with a v6.. Guess who the police took sides with? Not me, needless to say. They gave me a very hard time over things I’d not even done. And when I told them about his antics – they told me not to “push it” by lying and said if I continued to accuse him of such things I’d be arrested for “public disorder offences”..

Anyone else feel the same or want to share any experiences? How do you deal with tailgaiters?

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General Discussion Area / Re: Thanks Marks_DTM_Calib
« on: 06 September 2006, 21:15:57 »
I'd like to add my sincere thanks to that,  Mark is a great knowledgable chap with mechanics, especially vauxhalls, and deserves a big thanks for the advice he gives us all.

Cheers, Mark

[smiley=beer.gif]

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Which one?!

One's 18, low mileage and needs running in a bit.
One's 25, meduim mileage, cracking bodywork, good trim and, er, fantastic ride
One's 40, but the best cared for - Many previous owners - high recent mileage mostly clocked up by me - will keep going forever.

Make your choice...

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Get married pah!? I have trouble finding a girlfriend!  ;D ;D :-[

I'll happily trade in my girlfriend for your Miggy Elite?

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