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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: addy on 21 January 2018, 13:06:58
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I have been reading about the new MOT test, that is supposed to be coming in. I wonder how many Omegas will end up coming off the road permanently?
Major changes to the MOT test on 20th of May 2018
Some of you may have already heard that there are big changes coming to the MOT test this May. Here are just a few of the biggest changes that are most likely to affect you. Please take these with a pinch of salt as nothing will be finalised until the end of April and will probably still be subject to change after that date. Remember it will take your MOT tester time to get up to speed with these too!
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Advisories are being replaced with minor fails. These are all pre written & approved by DVSA. You will still get a pass but they will be noted on your test certificate. Manual advisories are still being worked out but may disappear completely.
Those of you who have changed your standard headlight bulbs for HID's will now get a major fail even if the aim is correct. It has always been an offence to fit HID bulbs to halogen headlamps so the MOT is now in line with that.
Reverse lights are now part of the MOT for any car registered from 1st September 2009 (59 plate onwards). Daytime running lamps (DRL's) & front fog lamps must work on vehicles registered from March 2018 (18 plate onwards).
Engine Management Light is now a major fail. It must come on with the ignition and then turn off when the engine is started.
Brake pad warning lights are a major fail
Handbrake with excessive travel is now a major fail. Before it would only a fail if there was no reserve travel.
Contaminated (dirty) brake fluid is a major fail. Not sure how that will work as the MOT tester isn't allowed to remove the fluid cap.
Oil leaks (engine, gearbox etc.) can be a major failure if they are deemed large enough.
It seems they have removed the failure for tyres not being fitted according to sidewall instructions. Inner/outer or rotation incorrect.
Any modifications/removal to emissions related devices, this includes DPF'S and EGR's is now a major fail.
Where a DPF canister has clearly been cut open and re-welded, it will now fail.
A vehicle fitted with a DPF that emits any kind of visible smoke during the metered test will now fail
Emissions limits for diesels registered on or after 1st of January 2014 have been reduced. All diesels will now need to pass the limit that was set by the manufacturer when the car was new. This can be found on the VIN plate. For example the current limit for your diesel car may be 1.50. That could change to as low as 0.30 with the new rules.
These are just some of the bigger changes to the MOT test the average motorist is likely to be affected by. There are dozens, perhaps even over 100 changes to the actual MOT test and to the way testers record tests on the MOT computer. Please remember these are all subject to change in the coming months.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-special-notice-01-18-inspection-manual-and-in-service-emission-data (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-special-notice-01-18-inspection-manual-and-in-service-emission-data)
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Most of those are European directives, which vosa have been, looking to implement for a while, they consulted, experts, .
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'Advisories are being replaced with minor fails. These are all pre written & approved by DVSA. You will still get a pass but they will be noted on your test certificate. Manual advisories are still being worked out but may disappear completely.'
How is that significantly different from the current regs? Advisories are shown on the current pass certificate, and if the vehicle still passes with 'minor fails' - well, I don't quite get it, unless I've missed something.....
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Could mean more bargain MOT failures for us amateur spanner twirlers. :)
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I did a posting on standardising European MOT's a while back.
This is an extract:
"I cannot find a UK reference but the Spanish law is RD563/2017.
In a nutshell from may next year a number of changes will come into effect across the EU from May 2018
1. "MOT" can be put on your (say Spanish) car in any member state . By the same token a British car can have a Spanish MOT. In the past the lack of this facility has meant driving the vehicle all the way back to the home country for an MOT. Not sure how the current rule that after 90 days, you as a Spanish resident, have to have your foreign car registered onto Spanish plates will pan out.
I am guessing that as well as sharing insurance databases the MOT will be shared too.
2. Diagnostic checks. Any Spanish car bought post 2000 petrol or post 2003 diesel has an OBD 11 port which the new MOT from May 2018 will include checking for stored codes
I wonder if this will cause scrappage of more older cars.....
Anyone heard about the UK aspect of this? "
Spanish diesel emissions were tightened up last year resulting in the hilarious situation of waiting vehicles going for an Italian tune up and then sitting in the waiting bay with their engines screaming at 4/5 000rpm.
Thread was here. http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=141338.msg1834770#msg1834770
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It might get older cars off the road, but the majority of people are not going to be rushing out to buy a brand new car. This could mean people not being able to get to work, due to rubbish public services. I know of a few places that you can only get to if you have your own car, jobs are always available but do not get filled that often due to no buses or other public transport. So surely if people cannot get into work, they will either move to somewhere else or be made unemployed. This leads to a knock on effect ending up with the government, financing more unemployed.
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It might get older cars off the road, but the majority of people are not going to be rushing out to buy a brand new car. This could mean people not being able to get to work, due to rubbish public services. I know of a few places that you can only get to if you have your own car, jobs are always available but do not get filled that often due to no buses or other public transport. So surely if people cannot get into work, they will either move to somewhere else or be made unemployed. This leads to a knock on effect ending up with the government, financing more unemployed.
Or...they could get their cars repaired. ;D
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It might get older cars off the road, but the majority of people are not going to be rushing out to buy a brand new car. This could mean people not being able to get to work, due to rubbish public services. I know of a few places that you can only get to if you have your own car, jobs are always available but do not get filled that often due to no buses or other public transport. So surely if people cannot get into work, they will either move to somewhere else or be made unemployed. This leads to a knock on effect ending up with the government, financing more unemployed.
As the law stands now, my understanding is; if you go in before the expiry date & the car fails the MOT, you`ll be driving without a valid MOT.
I haven`t read the new rules, but I assume it`ll be the same :-\
I`m in a unique postion, I`ve had my desmond for 8 years & she`s never failed :D
MOT is in July & it`s about time I got the brake fluid changed anyway.
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As the law stands now, my understanding is; if you go in before the expiry date & the car fails the MOT, you`ll be driving without a valid MOT......
No it doesn't ...... that's the whole point in being able to take your car for MOT a month before. If a car is dangerous, its dangerous both with or without a MOT
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Nothing to worry about there surely. Correctly maintained cars will be ok and neglected or dangerous cars will fail. Exactly as it should be. Its wether the testers will test cars correctly or not that worries me. Im sure anyone who has bought a new aquisition even with a long or recent mot has found many a thing wrong that should have been pulled up at the test but domehow didnt.things such as very rusty brake pipes that didnt just get to that stage in a few weeks or months or metal fuel pipes etc.the stupid thing to me is that they are now abolishing mots for cars over 40 years old. Whilst most will be run by enthuisiasts who know their cars inside out there will be some that dont and end up on the road with dangerous faults.
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As the law stands now, my understanding is; if you go in before the expiry date & the car fails the MOT, you`ll be driving without a valid MOT......
No it doesn't ...... that's the whole point in being able to take your car for MOT a month before. If a car is dangerous, its dangerous both with or without a MOT
This is probably what he means . If the car fails the mot even thou the last one hasnt run out you have a car thats not in a roadworthy condition and cannot be used on the road .obviously this is from one extreme to the other ,bulb out or split wiper blade to one brake corner not functioning or a split/ cracked suspension arm etc.some faults would allow the car to be driven to a place of repair other faults wouldnt
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'Advisories are being replaced with minor fails. These are all pre written & approved by DVSA. You will still get a pass but they will be noted on your test certificate. Manual advisories are still being worked out but may disappear completely.'
How is that significantly different from the current regs? Advisories are shown on the current pass certificate, and if the vehicle still passes with 'minor fails' - well, I don't quite get it, unless I've missed something.....
Quite agree, and I have to say with my car going through the MOT only last week mine would conform anyway to all those suggested changes. Two advisories are also clearly shown on the Test Certificate. :)
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The M.o.T. testers at the local Ford dealers already use the OBD port to plug something or other in although of course if the car in question doesn't have such a port it's not detrimental to it being tested.
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Oh dear. On both my 2.5s the EGRs are inoperative, but still present. On earlier cars I had removed them on advice from this forum, others I blanked off. They cannot check the operation of them, can they? I thought they only operated on a cold start.
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With a bit of luck the new diesel tests will get some of the poorly chipped / badly maintained tractors off the road. Otherwise, can't see much to be concerned about as an Omega owner.
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Oh dear. On both my 2.5s the EGRs are inoperative, but still present. On earlier cars I had removed them on advice from this forum, others I blanked off. They cannot check the operation of them, can they? I thought they only operated on a cold start.
SAI (secondary air injection) is the noisy fan that blows air into the exhaust on a cold start.
The EGR opens when cruising to reduce combustion temperatures and hence NOx emissions. (Facelift 2.6/3.2 run lower compression ratios to reduce combustion temperature but suffer worse fuel consumption as a result)
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As the law stands now, my understanding is; if you go in before the expiry date & the car fails the MOT, you`ll be driving without a valid MOT......
No it doesn't ...... that's the whole point in being able to take your car for MOT a month before. If a car is dangerous, its dangerous both with or without a MOT
This is probably what he means . If the car fails the mot even thou the last one hasnt run out you have a car thats not in a roadworthy condition and cannot be used on the road .obviously this is from one extreme to the other ,bulb out or split wiper blade to one brake corner not functioning or a split/ cracked suspension arm etc.some faults would allow the car to be driven to a place of repair other faults wouldnt
I`m easily confused on this point :)
So if an MOT failure is obtained before the expiry date, will the failure not be recorded :-\
If it is & say I`m still pootlin arpund in 3 weeks time, with 3 or 4 days left to run before my original MOT expires; I can tell plod me worn bushes are in the post :P
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As the law stands now, my understanding is; if you go in before the expiry date & the car fails the MOT, you`ll be driving without a valid MOT......
No it doesn't ...... that's the whole point in being able to take your car for MOT a month before. If a car is dangerous, its dangerous both with or without a MOT
This is probably what he means . If the car fails the mot even thou the last one hasnt run out you have a car thats not in a roadworthy condition and cannot be used on the road .obviously this is from one extreme to the other ,bulb out or split wiper blade to one brake corner not functioning or a split/ cracked suspension arm etc.some faults would allow the car to be driven to a place of repair other faults wouldnt
I`m easily confused on this point :)
So if an MOT failure is obtained before the expiry date, will the failure not be recorded :-\
If it is & say I`m still pootlin arpund in 3 weeks time, with 3 or 4 days left to run before my original MOT expires; I can tell plod me worn bushes are in the post :P
As said, a dangerous car is dangerous with or without a MOT. If it'd failed on a number platter light being fubar'd, would you expect your to be impounded at the MOT station till you turned up with a 50p bulb?
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I have been reading about the new MOT test, that is supposed to be coming in. I wonder how many Omegas will end up coming off the road permanently?
Major changes to the MOT test on 20th of May 2018
Brake pad warning lights are a major fail
Quite a worry for Citroen owners as the brake pad warning light came on with the Nemo and the pads were only 50% worn :(
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I have been reading about the new MOT test, that is supposed to be coming in. I wonder how many Omegas will end up coming off the road permanently?
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Major changes to the MOT test on 20th of May 2018
Brake pad warning lights are a major fail
Quite a worry for Citroen owners as the brake pad warning light came on with the Nemo and the pads were only 50% worn :(
Is a MOT tester expected to check for shorted out sensing wires? ::)
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I have been reading about the new MOT test, that is supposed to be coming in. I wonder how many Omegas will end up coming off the road permanently?
::)
Major changes to the MOT test on 20th of May 2018
Brake pad warning lights are a major fail
Quite a worry for Citroen owners as the brake pad warning light came on with the Nemo and the pads were only 50% worn :(
Is a MOT tester expected to check for shorted out sensing wires? ::)
it's not the tester's job to diagnose the cause of any failure.
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I have been reading about the new MOT test, that is supposed to be coming in. I wonder how many Omegas will end up coming off the road permanently?
::)
Major changes to the MOT test on 20th of May 2018
Brake pad warning lights are a major fail
Quite a worry for Citroen owners as the brake pad warning light came on with the Nemo and the pads were only 50% worn :(
Is a MOT tester expected to check for shorted out sensing wires? ::)
it's not the tester's job to diagnose the cause of any failure.
It wouldn't show as a fail if the sensor wires were shorted ..... ::)
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I have been reading about the new MOT test, that is supposed to be coming in. I wonder how many Omegas will end up coming off the road permanently?
::)
Major changes to the MOT test on 20th of May 2018
Brake pad warning lights are a major fail
Quite a worry for Citroen owners as the brake pad warning light came on with the Nemo and the pads were only 50% worn :(
Is a MOT tester expected to check for shorted out sensing wires? ::)
It wasn`t a shorted out wire, quite common apparently on Shitroen`s for the pad warning light to come on early, how many will just get it booked in to a dealers and get the pads (unnecessarily) changed.
It actually came on under 10k from new, it was only because I jacked it up and took the wheels off I found that there was plenty of meat on them.
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I have been reading about the new MOT test, that is supposed to be coming in. I wonder how many Omegas will end up coming off the road permanently?
::)
Major changes to the MOT test on 20th of May 2018
Brake pad warning lights are a major fail
Quite a worry for Citroen owners as the brake pad warning light came on with the Nemo and the pads were only 50% worn :(
Is a MOT tester expected to check for shorted out sensing wires? ::)
It wasn`t a shorted out wire, quite common apparently on Shitroen`s for the pad warning light to come on early, how many will just get it booked in to a dealers and get the pads (unnecessarily) changed.
It actually came on under 10k from new, it was only because I jacked it up and took the wheels off I found that there was plenty of meat on them.
I meant that if sensing wires were to be shorted out to prevent the dash warning, would a tester have the inclination to look? Depending on the wear lip on an Omega's disc, the warning message will also come on with plenty of pad remaining.
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Will no doubt drive some poorly maintained cars off the road but that's a good thing responsible owners who maintain their cars properly & deal with problems as they arise should be okay, always amazes me when vehicles fail on tyre tread depth or poor wipers bulbs etc these are just basics.
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exactly. also on a similar theme its absolutely unbeleivable when you are at at tyre place and see old tyres in the scrap pile that are totally totally u/s. they were up until recently on someones car driving around. this means to me that there are many people driving around who never check important issues like this, let alone basic fluid levels.
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I have been reading about the new MOT test, that is supposed to be coming in. I wonder how many Omegas will end up coming off the road permanently?
::)
Major changes to the MOT test on 20th of May 2018
Brake pad warning lights are a major fail
Quite a worry for Citroen owners as the brake pad warning light came on with the Nemo and the pads were only 50% worn :(
Is a MOT tester expected to check for shorted out sensing wires? ::)
It wasn`t a shorted out wire, quite common apparently on Shitroen`s for the pad warning light to come on early, how many will just get it booked in to a dealers and get the pads (unnecessarily) changed.
It actually came on under 10k from new, it was only because I jacked it up and took the wheels off I found that there was plenty of meat on them.
I recall with affection the comment by the police garage mechanic telling Quentin Wilson why they liked 24v Senators; "we change the brake pads every 2 weeks and the tyres once a month. Nothing else goes wrong on these cars".
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I recall with affection the comment by the police garage mechanic telling Quentin Wilson why they liked 24v Senators; "we change the brake pads every 2 weeks and the tyres once a month. Nothing else goes wrong on these cars".
Good job they didn't have TheBoy driving for them, then. :y
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Mine used get a sound thrashing on a regular basis, and never gave any trouble at all. :y
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Personally, I am more worried about cars over 40 years old being excempt from an MOT.
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Personally, I am more worried about cars over 40 years old being excempt from an MOT.
On the plus side, you don't see many pre S reg as a pre-fix cars on the road
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Personally, I am more worried about cars over 40 years old being excempt from an MOT.
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Can't agree with that most cars over 40 years old or older would be owned by enthusiasts probably owner club members & take pride in their chosen classic, I have a friend who owns a 1973 MG Midget & a 1975 MGB GT V8 cover very few miles annually but are still serviced & tested every year. My concern would be more with the local hooligan in the 3 series BMW who cannot really afford to maintain it properly & who drives with no regard to other motorists.
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I recall with affection the comment by the police garage mechanic telling Quentin Wilson why they liked 24v Senators; "we change the brake pads every 2 weeks and the tyres once a month. Nothing else goes wrong on these cars".
Good job they didn't have TheBoy driving for them, then. :y
I'll have you know I'm yet to change the pads on the Jag...
...the tyres on the other hand... :-X
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New rules look to be nothing more than a bit of common sense.
Good to see they are clamping down on the HID retrofit brigade :y
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I recall with affection the comment by the police garage mechanic telling Quentin Wilson why they liked 24v Senators; "we change the brake pads every 2 weeks and the tyres once a month. Nothing else goes wrong on these cars".
Good job they didn't have TheBoy driving for them, then. :y
I'll have you know I'm yet to change the pads on the Jag...
If they look like this, they are past needing changing, just FYI ;)
(https://preview.ibb.co/eyJXUG/1026661d1446712040_destroyed_brake_pads_you_have_see_wornrotor.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g9Uvib)
;D
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Personally, I am more worried about cars over 40 years old being excempt from an MOT.
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Can't agree with that most cars over 40 years old or older would be owned by enthusiasts probably owner club members & take pride in their chosen classic, I have a friend who owns a 1973 MG Midget & a 1975 MGB GT V8 cover very few miles annually but are still serviced & tested every year. My concern would be more with the local hooligan in the 3 series BMW who cannot really afford to maintain it properly & who drives with no regard to other motorists.
I know of quite a few who are incapable of maintaining their classic and rarely have work done on them unless it fails an MOT.....these very much worry me :y
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I recall with affection the comment by the police garage mechanic telling Quentin Wilson why they liked 24v Senators; "we change the brake pads every 2 weeks and the tyres once a month. Nothing else goes wrong on these cars".
Good job they didn't have TheBoy driving for them, then. :y
I'll have you know I'm yet to change the pads on the Jag...
If they look like this, they are past needing changing, just FYI ;)
(https://preview.ibb.co/eyJXUG/1026661d1446712040_destroyed_brake_pads_you_have_see_wornrotor.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g9Uvib)
;D
Argh! Just what are we looking at there ? Is that a ventilated disc with one surface "gone" and the ribs acting as the disc? What vehicle is it?
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I’ll bet they were a bit ‘scrapey’.
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I’ll bet they were a bit ‘scrapey’.
In tried to imagine the noise that might make, the got an uncomfortable feeling, like when someone scrapes their fingernails down a blackboard. :o
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Personally, I am more worried about cars over 40 years old being excempt from an MOT.
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Can't agree with that most cars over 40 years old or older would be owned by enthusiasts probably owner club members & take pride in their chosen classic, I have a friend who owns a 1973 MG Midget & a 1975 MGB GT V8 cover very few miles annually but are still serviced & tested every year. My concern would be more with the local hooligan in the 3 series BMW who cannot really afford to maintain it properly & who drives with no regard to other motorists.
I know of quite a few who are incapable of maintaining their classic and rarely have work done on them unless it fails an MOT.....these very much worry me :y
I agree,I know someone now with an old MG that will go on the road soon but probably shouldn't
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Argh! Just what are we looking at there ? Is that a ventilated disc with one surface "gone" and the ribs acting as the disc? What vehicle is it?
Yup - exactly that.. no idea what vehicle though, just an image I've seen on the internet a few times (there are other examples, equally staggering!)
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I know of quite a few who are incapable of maintaining their classic and rarely have work done on them unless it fails an MOT.....these very much worry me :y
Especially when you consider that older cars needed so much more maintenance to keep them safe in the first place.
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I’ll bet they were a bit ‘scrapey’.
In tried to imagine the noise that might make, the got an uncomfortable feeling, like when someone scrapes their fingernails down a blackboard. :o
Its just the next generation of grooved disc, keeps the pad surface nice and fresh......
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I agree,I know someone now with an old MG that will go on the road soon but probably shouldn't
Just thinking of the series 3 Land Rovers I look after, with the use they get the brakes need adjusting ever 6 months and at 12 months they would be a borderline fail.....no attention beyond this and dam right dangerous is the only description.
That's without the (difficult to see without a ramp) chassis rot etc :'( :o
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Buy a throwaway modern car, say three years old. Run it for 3/4 years and, well, throw it away. Nimps.
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Buy a throwaway modern car, say three years old. Run it for 3/4 years and, well, throw it away. Nimps.
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Problems solved , off to the building society first thing in the morning 😉
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I recall with affection the comment by the police garage mechanic telling Quentin Wilson why they liked 24v Senators; "we change the brake pads every 2 weeks and the tyres once a month. Nothing else goes wrong on these cars".
Good job they didn't have TheBoy driving for them, then. :y
I'll have you know I'm yet to change the pads on the Jag...
If they look like this, they are past needing changing, just FYI ;)
(https://preview.ibb.co/eyJXUG/1026661d1446712040_destroyed_brake_pads_you_have_see_wornrotor.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g9Uvib)
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That could explain the brake judder....
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Personally, I am more worried about cars over 40 years old being excempt from an MOT.
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Can't agree with that most cars over 40 years old or older would be owned by enthusiasts probably owner club members & take pride in their chosen classic, I have a friend who owns a 1973 MG Midget & a 1975 MGB GT V8 cover very few miles annually but are still serviced & tested every year. My concern would be more with the local hooligan in the 3 series BMW who cannot really afford to maintain it properly & who drives with no regard to other motorists.
I know of quite a few who are incapable of maintaining their classic and rarely have work done on them unless it fails an MOT.....these very much worry me :y
Exactly my point. Yes most people who drive classics know their cars inside and out and will maintain to a very high standard. Myself included. BUT as said above there are most likely people who drive their cars without a care in the world and know nothing about them until mot time,its been known for people to drive cars with known faults minor or major and do nothing sbout them until mot runs out when they then decide if it will fail on more things and become too expensive to fix.the point is.the new mot rules could maybee take a few more unroadworthy cars off the road but if no mot is needed on older cars they could be driven in a dangerous state as they may never get inspected .im all for tightening up mot rules but cannot see any benefit to anyone to make some cars exempt
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You say rules come in May 2018, but already searching past tests at DVLA they list all faults found with 'fail' points at the top, then advisories right at the bottom.
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Personally, I am more worried about cars over 40 years old being excempt from an MOT.
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Can't agree with that most cars over 40 years old or older would be owned by enthusiasts probably owner club members & take pride in their chosen classic, I have a friend who owns a 1973 MG Midget & a 1975 MGB GT V8 cover very few miles annually but are still serviced & tested every year. My concern would be more with the local hooligan in the 3 series BMW who cannot really afford to maintain it properly & who drives with no regard to other motorists.
I know of quite a few who are incapable of maintaining their classic and rarely have work done on them unless it fails an MOT.....these very much worry me :y
I've met them too. And they outnumber the ones who care enough to maintain, let alone fix, their stuff before it breaks.
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Argh! Just what are we looking at there ? Is that a ventilated disc with one surface "gone" and the ribs acting as the disc? What vehicle is it?
Yup - exactly that.. no idea what vehicle though, just an image I've seen on the internet a few times (there are other examples, equally staggering!)
I've seen that on a recovery truck! When the grumbling noise under braking stopped, he previous owner told the driver I told you there was nothing wrong with it! :o :o The whole thing was in a similar state; the centre track rod broke, and the prop fell out when a UJ fell apart
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This egr stuff,is this from a certain year as my disco 300tdi runs with it removed and blanked off.