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[dave the builder]

The situation has made things very awkward for the average UK white racist male 
now you have to sit down on the floor on your bum when checking tyre pressures, doing up shoe laces ,working on electrical sockets etc etc ,so not to appear to be taking the knee in memory of some dead druggie criminal scumbag 

that's me off Lizzie's Christmas card list 

[STEMO]

The situation has made things very awkward for the average UK white racist male 
now you have to sit down on the floor on your bum when checking tyre pressures, doing up shoe laces ,working on electrical sockets etc etc ,so not to appear to be taking the knee in memory of some dead druggie criminal scumbag 

that's me off Lizzie's Christmas card list 

Very good, Dave 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I find it odd that Sainsbury are to provide a safe space within their stores for black employees.

A safe space from what exactly?

Presumably, as the safe space will be within the store itself, the safe space must be to protect  black Sainsbury workers from white Sainsbury workers.

Sounds racist to me.

[Doctor Gollum]

Or all the offended customers...

Starting to turn the work place into a special needs class

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Or all the offended customers...

Starting to turn the work place into a special needs class

I did think of this but presumably both black and white members of staff will be insulted by customers at one time or another, so why not discuss it together in the staff room.

A 'black only' space will only increase racial tension.

[Doctor Gollum]

Or all the offended customers...

Starting to turn the work place into a special needs class

I did think of this but presumably both black and white members of staff will be insulted by customers at one time or another, so why not discuss it together in the staff room.

A 'black only' space will only increase racial tension.

And is arguably completely illegal.

[dave the builder]

"NO BLACKS, NO IRISH OR NO DOGS"
progress 
I doubt BLM will let the dogs or Irish in

[Entwood]

Actually you did

Pardon!!!

Just read your post #63 when you wrote:

"The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  "

That was in reply to my contribution to Sainsbury's staff not treating your aunt as they should and me suggesting the store management and police should have been involved, then YOU having a completely off thread dig at the police in post #63!.

God, what with your Trump postings and now this, you really are making me worry bout you DG

Lizzie .. don't worry about him ... he's quite secure in the parallel universe he occupies ......   

[Lizzie Zoom]

The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity 

Really DG?  Perhaps in your imagination - you know the one that tells you Trump won the Presidential election - because police officers in uniform, but also in civvies, certainly cannot make such a political statement without government approval

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/black-lives-matter-kent-police-knee-video-protest-george-floyd-a9558986.html

https://www.rt.com/uk/491816-police-kneel-protesters-memo/


 

Yes, with LZ being a Police Advisor, you'd have thought the very least the Kent Police Chief Constable could have done was to notify LZ that he would be taking the knee, and advising all of his officers to do the same where appropriate, to avoid the awkwardness of her defending them. 

On a side note, racism will stay with us while those that want it kept alive keep poking it with a big stick.     As for Sainsbury's, they didn't need to get involved, they've just added fuel to the fire. All of this does more harm than good. 

How many more times, that was in JUNE, two weeks after Floyd had been killed by an American police officer.  No officer now is officially making this token gesture which is the point I was making after DG stated that officers were doing it at "every opportunity", which is clearly wrong when walking the streets NOW.

Anyway, why is "taking the knee" such an issue to you all that have commented on it?  It was a gesture of sympathy for a man killed on the ground by an officer kneeing on his neck until he couldn't breath. 

Along with other anti-diversity comments on this and similar threads I find this a disturbing trend by some OOF members on a public forum, with a lack of acceptance of our diverse society.  It is only a short hop before this all becomes Hate Crime, apart from bring totally unnecessary and, for at least some of us very offensive.

[Lizzie Zoom]

The situation has made things very awkward for the average UK white racist male 
now you have to sit down on the floor on your bum when checking tyre pressures, doing up shoe laces ,working on electrical sockets etc etc ,so not to appear to be taking the knee in memory of some dead druggie criminal scumbag 

that's me off Lizzie's Christmas card list

Not at all Dave 

You are right, it is difficult for some who cannot just accept a multi-everything society as any comment THEY make will offend as the underlying narrow minded beliefs they have will become transparent to all.

That is their challenge, and I pity them.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Actually you did

Pardon!!!

Just read your post #63 when you wrote:

"The rules may not have changed but being 'woke' is apparently more important than the law.

Otherwise why are police kneeling at every oppsing opportunity  "

That was in reply to my contribution to Sainsbury's staff not treating your aunt as they should and me suggesting the store management and police should have been involved, then YOU having a completely off thread dig at the police in post #63!.

God, what with your Trump postings and now this, you really are making me worry bout you DG

Lizzie .. don't worry about him ... he's quite secure in the parallel universe he occupies ......   

Good one Entwood!

[Lizzie Zoom]

Or all the offended customers...

Starting to turn the work place into a special needs class

I did think of this but presumably both black and white members of staff will be insulted by customers at one time or another, so why not discuss it together in the staff room.

A 'black only' space will only increase racial tension.

And, with management involved, that is what happens with training and support given.  At the moment it is far more likely for ALL retail staff to be either verbally or even physically assaulted, so that is THE main issue currently.

As for separate spaces, that is not new.  I used to allow and encourage separate areas in the back rooms of stores for Muslims to pray in at their set times.  That is good for moral and shows the retail company has respect for it's employees and cares for their welfare.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Not separate spaces Lizzie.......safe spaces. This implies danger from other members of staff.

[YZ250]

...... <..> Shortened as the quotes are getting too long. 

Along with other anti-diversity comments on this and similar threads I find this a disturbing trend by some OOF members on a public forum, with a lack of acceptance of our diverse society.  It is only a short hop before this all becomes Hate Crime, apart from bring totally unnecessary and, for at least some of us very offensive.

You appear to have made an assumption regarding posters colour, which only goes to strengthen Opt's original post.    I personally have several black friends, friends that I'd regard as really genuinely true friends. This subject never crops up when we are together, as it is neither wanted or needed. As I've said previously, it's those that want it kept alive that keep stirring it up. Sainsburys have only done this because they felt that they should, not because it was necessarily right.
Anyway, if we all boycott Sainsburys we can bring them to their knees. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Lizzie, if they hadn't knelt on George Floyd, he would probably have died later that day. If you bothered to look at the actual evidence, he couldn't breathe sitting upright in the car.

It's all readily available including the bodycam footage from the whole arrest. Being knelt on sped the process up. But don't let the facts ruin a good kneeling.

www.hennepin.us › documentsPDF
Floyd's autopsy report - Hennepin County