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[jonnycool]

Did an oil change today for the first time since I had the car. Give you 3 guesses what was tightened so hard I couldn't even turn it, never mind get the cap off 

Had to do the oil change without a filter this time, I think I'l have to get a hefty breaker bar on it if I'm to shift the bloody thing, and a very strong filter wrench.

Any tips on how to do this without damaging it?

[neilr]

from earlier posts iirc you need a strap wrench to hold filter body while undoing the nut/bolt

[jonnycool]

from earlier posts iirc you need a strap wrench to hold filter body while undoing the nut/bolt

And Geoff Capes on standby I presume? 

I was pushing the ratchet with my foot with all my strength while I held onto a wishbone, I didn't even budge it

[Lazydocker]

So frustrating when people do this... The spin on canisters are always getting over tightened too

[jonnycool]

So frustrating when people do this... The spin on canisters are always getting over tightened too

Yep, gonna have to waste the 5 litres of oil I put in today when I do actually work out how to get it off...

[neilr]

i bought an adjustable length rachet from machine mart gives extra leverage or a breaker bar. you wont lose all your new oil just whats in the filter mitgh get messy though

[jonnycool]

i bought an adjustable length rachet from machine mart gives extra leverage or a breaker bar. you wont lose all your new oil just whats in the filter mitgh get messy though

Won't all the oil come out through the filter housing though? I was gonna drain it again tbh, rather catch it than have it all over my face 

[neilr]

no most of the oil is in the sump you will only get what in the filter housing leak out besides if its so tight you might be able to duck out the way before any oil seeps out

[Kevin Wood]

no most of the oil is in the sump you will only get what in the filter housing leak out besides if its so tight you might be able to duck out the way before any oil seeps out

Paper cartridge filters appear to be designed so that it dribbles down your sleeve, whatever angle you try to attack it from.

I think the OOF shop should start stocking overalls with an oil extractor built into the RH sleeve.

Kevin

[jonnycool]

no most of the oil is in the sump you will only get what in the filter housing leak out besides if its so tight you might be able to duck out the way before any oil seeps out

Ah right, that'll save me a bit of money, thanks mate 

[neilr]

no most of the oil is in the sump you will only get what in the filter housing leak out besides if its so tight you might be able to duck out the way before any oil seeps out

Paper cartridge filters appear to be designed so that it dribbles down your sleeve, whatever angle you try to attack it from.

I think the OOF shop should start stocking overalls with an oil extractor built into the RH sleeve.

Kevin

sounds like a good call i have many riuned rh sleeves

[Entwood]

from earlier posts iirc you need a strap wrench to hold filter body while undoing the nut/bolt

And Geoff Capes on standby I presume? 

I was pushing the ratchet with my foot with all my strength while I held onto a wishbone, I didn't even budge it

 If its on that tight I'm surprised it didn't start undoing from the block, and my mind is saying you should be pulling the handle to undo it ... undoes anticlockwise .....  but as I wasn't watching where you were lying I could be doing you an injustice ... 

[jonnycool]

from earlier posts iirc you need a strap wrench to hold filter body while undoing the nut/bolt

And Geoff Capes on standby I presume? 

I was pushing the ratchet with my foot with all my strength while I held onto a wishbone, I didn't even budge it

 If its on that tight I'm surprised it didn't start undoing from the block, and my mind is saying you should be pulling the handle to undo it ... undoes anticlockwise .....  but as I wasn't watching where you were lying I could be doing you an injustice ... 

Good call Mr Entwood, as I have done that many times, but I triple checked and I was definitely turning the right way...
...unless it's a left handed thread of course...

[Andy B]

.....
...unless it's a left handed thread of course...

No it's not. 
How about giving your spanner a clout too, instead of just heaving on it.

[Lazydocker]

from earlier posts iirc you need a strap wrench to hold filter body while undoing the nut/bolt

And Geoff Capes on standby I presume? 

I was pushing the ratchet with my foot with all my strength while I held onto a wishbone, I didn't even budge it

 If its on that tight I'm surprised it didn't start undoing from the block, and my mind is saying you should be pulling the handle to undo it ... undoes anticlockwise .....  but as I wasn't watching where you were lying I could be doing you an injustice ... 

Bet he was lying under the front of the car

[jonnycool]

.....
...unless it's a left handed thread of course...

No it's not. 
How about giving your spanner a clout too, instead of just heaving on it.

I tried that, just kept slipping off, I was scared of rounding the housing off

[Andy B]

.....
...unless it's a left handed thread of course...

No it's not. 
How about giving your spanner a clout too, instead of just heaving on it.

I tried that, just kept slipping off, I was scared of rounding the housing off

36" stilsons?   

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I know some will not agree with the practice I adopt on these things, but I jack the car up well and get a 3/8ths socket wrench into the nut shaped end and clobber it with a rubber mallet.  Never (God that is tempting fate!!! ) sheared the cannistor off yet, just unscrewed the lid successfully!

If you have nothing to lose, try it!


Resort to http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268174713 if it fails!!

[Lazydocker]

I know some will not agree with the practice I adopt on these things, but I jack the car up well and get a 3/8ths socket wrench into the nut shaped end and clobber it with a rubber mallet.  Never (God that is tempting fate!!! ) sheared the cannistor off yet, just unscrewed the lid successfully!

If you have nothing to lose, try it!


Resort to http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268174713 if it fails!!

More likely to shatter the ratchet gears than anything else TBH. For undoing it the first time I would recommend getting a spanner over the nut and work it free... Once you've done it and tightened it correctly yourself you'll find you can use a ratchet in the end and undo it pretty easily

[Entwood]

I think it needs a snug fitting spanner and a thwack with a mallet to break the seal ... 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I think it needs a snug fitting spanner and a thwack with a mallet to break the seal ... 

The trouble is Entwood is that I have found the size of that nut is between about 20mm-21mm (or is it 21mm-22mm?)!  Anyway you need a half size between those for it to fit snuggly.  But the 3/8ths socket rachet fits perfectically inside that 'nut'  

[jonnycool]

I didn't try a spanner, come to think of it, it would fit better than the ratchet and socket that I was using. If that fails I'll try Lizzie's suggestion with a breaker bar.

Socket wasn't a great fit though, seemed like it was a 23 1/2 mm nut rather than 24

[unlucky mark mv6]

So frustrating when people do this... The spin on canisters are always getting over tightened too

Done an oil and filter change today myself on the father in laws focus tdi,and that was also a barstool to get the filter off.Take it some idiot in the garage overtightened it last time.Ended up putting a screwdriver through it in the end with oil everywhere.

[Seth]

I didn't try a spanner, come to think of it, it would fit better than the ratchet and socket that I was using. If that fails I'll try Lizzie's suggestion with a breaker bar.

Socket wasn't a great fit though, seemed like it was a 23 1/2 mm nut rather than 24

1/2" Whitworth possibly? :-/

[robson]

Is it possible to get an impact wrench on it. Not alot of space to do anything.

[robson]

Another thought have you tried it with the oil hot

[Andy H]

Both the cap and housing are aluminium so they will expand at the same rate so it probably won't make much difference that said I always do oil & filter changes hot and I didn't have any trouble getting the cap off mine last weekend (with an 18" breaker bar and and a 24mm socket).

I don't know if it would be possible to warm the housing with a kettle full of boiling water without warming the cap :-/

[Seth]

Both the cap and housing are aluminium so they will expand at the same rate so it probably won't make much difference that said I always do oil & filter changes hot and I didn't have any trouble getting the cap off mine last weekend (with an 18" breaker bar and and a 24mm socket).

I don't know if it would be possible to warm the housing with a kettle full of boiling water without warming the cap :-/

What about trying a hexagon (as opposed to bi-hexagon) type socket?

[jonnycool]

I had a 23mm hex impact socket, which wouldn't go on, and a normal 24mm socket, which seemed slightly loose. Might see if I can get the 24mm hex one 

[robson]

With a name like cool rather than heating the body, with the oil hot try cooling the cap. Can you get CO2 aerosols anywhere or the footballers spray. an ice pack

[jonnycool]

Done it! Managed to undo the cap with a very long breaker bar, with a mole-grip type filter wrench done up as hard as I could get it. Still had to push the bar with my feet whilst holding onto the wishbone mind, couldn't budge it with my arms at all!

15 Nm isn't very much at all though is it? 

[Andy B]

Done it!  ......

    result!

15 Nm isn't very much at all though is it? 

Not really.  Just nipped up!