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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Andy B on 11 February 2021, 18:21:34
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My daughter has just had laminate flooring laid. I know there has to be an expansion gap around it but .... they have left a gap around the front edge of the fire place/hearth. While my daughter is very pleased with the whole thing, I think this gap looks horrible and will be a general sh1te trap.
My question is .... is there some kind of flexible 'rubber'/flexible 90 deg trim available to cover this gap? There are some fairly small radiuses/radii around the hearth. Or just fill the gap with wood coloured sealant?
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You can actually cut hard upto the hearth as long as all other sides have an expansion gap. There are some small trims which would be better than sealent.
Hopefully they did a proper job and replaced the skirting with the laminate under, rather than bonding the awful quadrant on?
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You can actually cut hard upto the hearth as long as all other sides have an expansion gap. There are some small trims which would be better than sealent.
Hopefully they did a proper job and replaced the skirting with the laminate under, rather than bonding the awful quadrant on?
Unfortunately .... they used the 'awful quadrant', though in their defence it's the deep (8"?) stuff in an old Victorian terrace. And all the rooms have just been painted
Which small trims do you mean? A look on Google shows there are flexible flat trims more like door thresholds
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Is the hearth of straight edge design (like Marble) or wavy like stone. If it has straight edges, can you not mitre three lengths of trim as a border/frame.
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A picture speaks a thousand words.
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Is the hearth of straight edge design (like Marble) or wavy like stone. If it has straight edges, can you not mitre three lengths of trim as a border/frame.
it's a stone effect & the ends have a radius on them
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A picture speaks a thousand words.
her house is a few miles away but I'm on removal duties tomorrow so will get a photo then :y
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Is the hearth of straight edge design (like Marble) or wavy like stone. If it has straight edges, can you not mitre three lengths of trim as a border/frame.
it's a stone effect & the ends have a radius on them
Right..that's sounds tricky. I'm guessing the gap is, more or less, hidden when looking straight down, but is more obvious when looking at an angle. How big is the gap?
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Like this?
(https://i.ibb.co/R2BSv2X/AA91-CB2-F-BBFF-493-C-9059-5-C0-D4-EC0-A9-C2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gyP7jy0)
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Like this?
(https://i.ibb.co/R2BSv2X/AA91-CB2-F-BBFF-493-C-9059-5-C0-D4-EC0-A9-C2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gyP7jy0)
black cat in a coal hole? ;)
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I admit it's a bit of a scribble, but I can see it fine.
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I'll take a better picture tomorrow. It doesn't look that bad from this view but I wouldn't have been happy with it
(https://i.postimg.cc/vBZ2Vj0q/IMG-20210211-WA0023.jpg)
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I admit it's a bit of a scribble, but I can see it fine.
;D ;D
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I've seen this used before, colour matched to the flooring. It dries like a rubber compound and is easily removed from the flooring if you get a bit clumsy like.
https://www.floorsave.co.uk/acrylic-sealant-colour-select.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiAyJOBBhDCARIsAJG2h5fZ7Su9SSLwnG6j-RpE3Co0dlKkc3lDmSWUWeyjgOB0DGCL10dKk7kaApe_EALw_wcB
Oops, put the link in now ;D
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That's a lovely old fireplace, btw.
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What was wrong with the floorboards underneath?
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That's a lovely old fireplace, btw.
I don't think it's as old as it makes out to be ;)
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What was wrong with the floorboards underneath?
you assume there are boards underneath .... ::)
The floor underneath is a mixture of concrete & some kind of self level stuff that looks like it's been down a very long time. I suspect that the floor is/was stone flags. There is a kind of cellar and at ground level at the bottom of the stairs is a 3" stone slab so I'm guessing the rest of the floor is the same.
The hall has original floorboards but the front room has had new boards down at some point.
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They laid it over carpet? :D
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That's a lovely old fireplace, btw.
I don't think it's as old as it makes out to be ;)
I've put a link in my previous post now ;D
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Jesting aside, a suitable coloured grout could make it less apparent ;)
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Jesting aside, a suitable coloured grout could make it less apparent ;)
Yep....see my post.
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Or get a hearth rug ::)
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Or get a hearth rug ::)
I'll suggest it to her ;)
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Jesting aside, a suitable coloured grout could make it less apparent ;)
my daughter said the floorers had suggested that ... I think I'd have told them to try some rather than suggest it ;D
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Jesting aside, a suitable coloured grout could make it less apparent ;)
my daughter said the floorers had suggested that ... I think I'd have told them to try some rather than suggest it ;D
I'm surprised they don't carry some of that stuff I linked to with them. I certainly wouldn't have been happy with that finish, and would have expected whoever gave the quote to have explained how the job would be finished around that area.
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If it was my daughter, I'd be on the phone....... ;D
Go on, go on, go on....... ;D
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If it was my daughter, I'd be on the phone....... ;D
Go on, go on, go on....... ;D
;D ;D ;D
We've been doing our best for the past 15/16 months to 'help' her move on ..... ;D ;D She only got the keys at the beginning of Jan, but she wanted to get stuff done in it before she moved in ... like the bathroom and some decorating. We She can see light at the end of the tunnel now ..... almost ready to move out (again!!!! ;D)
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I think I'd be saying something to who ever it was that fitted it, but my daughter seems to be happy enough with it.
They didn't even finish a threshold as the floor finishes under the stairs ... ???
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bb7R3Z7s/20210212_145450.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9M6JY4kD/20210212_145524.jpg)
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You could maybe get away with the right hand side of the fireplace, but the left side is miles out.
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Just took a look at ours they were done by the previous owner certainly a much better finish than that, all the edges are nice & tight and round the fireplace there is a beading strip which I presume hides any gaps.
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..... but the left side is miles out.
Indeed ... a clog out as they say! :-\
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I've done a few laminate floors with sculptured hearths , I just put wood under the hearth (raising it 10mm or so ) and "float" the hearth over any gap .
There's a skirting board cutter you can get that removes the 10mm or whatever you set it too ,from the bottom of the skirting too .
Also plastic skirting boards that are hollow ,great for running/hiding TV, cat 5e ,phone lines etc
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I've done a few laminate floors with sculptured hearths , I just put wood under the hearth (raising it 10mm or so ) and "float" the hearth over any gap .
There's a skirting board cutter you can get that removes the 10mm or whatever you set it too ,from the bottom of the skirting too .
Also plastic skirting boards that are hollow ,great for running/hiding TV, cat 5e ,phone lines etc
but how would you lift a hearth without breaking it if it's already down? I think she can live with the edging quadrant around the rest of the room on the skirting.
Having a Google ... I've found a couple of trims that look like they'd do what I want .... none of them are available ???
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but how would you lift a hearth without breaking it if it's already down?
Having a Google ... I've found a couple of trims that look like they'd do what I want .... none of them are available ???
Obviously too late as your floor is fitted
but I just remove the entire fire surround ,hearth etc and refit 10mm higher ;)
I also remove toilets and basins in bathrooms ,kitchen plinth kick boards etc
you could probably put some deep 9mm :-\ cream tile trim in the gap ,nothing is going to look perfect :(
95% of people probably wouldn't notice fine detail like that gap
I probably would :D I go round looking at how people finish trim etc :-[
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Putting pads under the hearth is ok during construction but not really feasible in this instance. I know what you mean though Dave, as this is what my son did, as his hearth for his wood burner is stone slabs so the flooring goes under the slabs but doesn't touch them so the expansion gap is maintained.
No, in this case, ....... a wider than required trim to create a frame/border so that good old dad can scribe the inner edge corner rads to match the hearth profile, hence losing some of the width of the trim. The professional in you knows that this is what you want to do Andy. ;D :y Or, get some trims CNC cut to match the profile. :y
Use a multi-tool to notch out the quadrant to tuck the trim under. :y
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Girlies love fairy lights, so drape some over the mantlepiece and around the hearth which will hide the multitude of sins! :y
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230V-LED-Strip-Lights-Flex-Rope-UK-Plug-In-Under-Cabinet-Cupboard-Light-Kitchen/113807654127?hash=item1a7f76fcef:g:0IQAAOSwIildHxUU
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Looking at how the board's run, I'd be tempted to remove the trims on the skirting boards on either side of the fireplace and slide all the board's inwards so they are snug up to the hearth.
The front edge would be ok with a small amount of sealant, and the radiuses aren't that bad, it's the sides that need attention.
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... The professional in you knows that this is what you want to do Andy. ;D :y ....
Thanks Allan ..... I think! ;D
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Best knock the house down and start again, such detail needs planning early on ;)
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... The professional in you knows that this is what you want to do Andy. ;D :y ....
Thanks Allan ..... I think! ;D
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Scribing would work, especially if placed on a works CNC in router mode on a milling machine. ;D :y
A fret saw would sort the corner rads and it would look pukka. :y
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Best knock the house down and start again, such detail needs planning early on ;)
It's only been standing since 1880/90 ;)
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Best knock the house down and start again, such detail needs planning early on ;)
It's only been standing since 1880/90 ;)
The cement won't have set yet :D
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Best knock the house down and start again, such detail needs planning early on ;)
It's only been standing since 1880/90 ;)
Mines the same age. Cowboys who built it clearly didn't use a Laser level , I should call me up and complain really ;D
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This is the type of scribe mitre I was referring to Andy. The stepped hearth edge causes a slight issue, hence why flat trim would be easier to work with. Obviously you'd have to buy oversized trim to end up with the desired width after the radius had been cut. :y
(https://i.ibb.co/fdxSrTH/image.jpg)
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This is the type of scribe mitre I was referring to Andy. ...
:y :y I'm sure I'll be able to do something better than they did :y
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It would be a struggle to worsen it :D
It looks like the were relying on the boatd spacing to avoid cutting in the hearth :-\
If they had started with a half board, they would have gotten the front edge and a chunk of the sides spot on.
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This is the type of scribe mitre I was referring to Andy. ...
:y :y I'm sure I'll be able to do something better than they did :y
And, of course, you will post up some pics so that we can pass comment learn from your mistakes see how it should be done :y
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This is the type of scribe mitre I was referring to Andy. ...
:y :y I'm sure I'll be able to do something better than they did :y
And, of course, you will post up some pics so that we can pass comment learn from your mistakes see how it should be done :y
;D ;D ;D
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My late FIL was an accomplished DIY enthusiast. His work was simply flawless.
He used to say a good amateur is as good as a professional provided he thinks it through and takes his time.
Obviously this sentiment doesn't apply to brain and open heart surgery. ;)
We, at OOF, have faith in your ability, Mr Beanz. :y
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We, at OOF, have faith in your ability, Mr Beanz. :y
8) 8)
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My late FIL was an accomplished DIY enthusiast. His work was simply flawless.
He used to say a good amateur is as good as a professional provided he thinks it through and takes his time.
An amateur has more time to do a good or excellent job.
A good professional knows when and what is good enough. Anyone who doesn't make visible pieces fit properly cannot be considered 'good'.
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My late FIL was an accomplished DIY enthusiast. His work was simply flawless.
He used to say a good amateur is as good as a professional provided he thinks it through and takes his time.
An amateur has more time to do a good or excellent job.
A good professional knows when and what is good enough. Anyone who doesn't make visible pieces fit properly cannot be considered 'good'.
Sums it up really. .....plus they tend to care more.
My sister needed a new fence because a gap at the end meant her mutt could escape. A builder was engaged and the four foot gap became a two foot gap.......still more than large enough for her sinewy pooch to make it's bid for freedom.
His solution to the problem........."stick some chicken wire in the hole, darlin".... ;D
She was not pleased. ::)
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My late FIL was an accomplished DIY enthusiast. His work was simply flawless.
He used to say a good amateur is as good as a professional provided he thinks it through and takes his time.
An amateur has more time to do a good or excellent job.
A good professional knows when and what is good enough. Anyone who doesn't make visible pieces fit properly cannot be considered 'good'.
Sums it up really. .....plus they tend to care more.
My sister needed a new fence because a gap at the end meant her mutt could escape. A builder was engaged and the four foot gap became a two foot gap.......still more than large enough for her sinewy pooch to make it's bid for freedom.
His solution to the problem........."stick some chicken wire in the hole, darlin".... ;D
She was not pleased. ::)
Bloody Builders ::)
had you just wrapped the dog in chicken wire ,you wouldn't have needed a new fence :D