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[golly]

Hi All, does anyone know where I can get 2 x retaining screws for Brake Disc for 2001 V6
Omega ? ....as usual, any advice/recommendations will be gratefully received.
Thanks Glen

[Doctor Gollum]

Should be pence over the counter from VX or any motor factor.

Hell,  they may even sell them in Helfords.

[Nick W]

Standard countersunk metric hardware.
It's been a while since I had one in my hand, but they're probably M6.
£0.10 each would be expensive....

[Andy B]

Standard countersunk metric hardware.
It's been a while since I had one in my hand, but they're probably M6.
£0.10 each would be expensive....

though they'll be inexpensive, I'd reckon a bit more than 10p
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1311&_nkw=m6+countersunk+screws&_sacat=0

[Nick W]

Standard countersunk metric hardware.
It's been a while since I had one in my hand, but they're probably M6.
£0.10 each would be expensive....

though they'll be inexpensive, I'd reckon a bit more than 10p
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1311&_nkw=m6+countersunk+screws&_sacat=0

Buy them from a fastener shop, where they have boxes of them - I bought a 100 M6x20 BZP hex screws for £2 and a box of a thousand was under a tenner.
Know what you want and ask for it so you don't come across as a time waster: eg countersunk M6x20screw, 2 off. They don't care what it's for, and knowing won't help them or you.
There's a good chance they won't charge you at all for that transaction

[Andy B]

....
Buy them from a fastener shop, where they have boxes of them - I bought a 100 M6x20 BZP hex screws for £2 and a box of a thousand was under a tenner.
Know what you want and ask for it so you don't come across as a time waster: eg countersunk M6x20screw, 2 off. They don't care what it's for, and knowing won't help them or you.
There's a good chance they won't charge you at all for that transaction

When I last bought fasteners, instead of getting them from stores  they had a minimum cost order of £1 .....

[dave the builder]

clicky 8 stainless ones delivered for £3.45

Not 10 Pence each BUT .... unless you live next to a fastener shop or parts/motor factor 

 then you're probably going to have to fire up the Omega @ 50 pence per mile 
and waste time going to a shop to buy some bolts (time is money)

it's not an item that requires being fitted until the wheels are next off

so waiting for delivery is not an issue *

* unless you live in Brackley/ as they may never arrive 

[LC0112G]

Pretty sure on my car they aren't the old style countersunk screws, like wot they are on the Carlton/Senator. I think they changed them for the same as is on the front - a flat head allen key jobby made from cheese. That also tallies with the picture in EPC, although the description does say CSK screw?

[johnnydog]

It may depend on the model or era, but the retaining bolt / screw on my 2.6 /3.2 vented discs is certainly not a countersunk tapered screw as suggested....
As Andy has stated they are a flat seat Allen key head bolt / screw, with a shoulder before the start of the thread.
GM part no 90278945, size M10x1.25
There is a recess of approx 1/8" deep on the hub area of the disc to accommodate it rather than a tapered recess with a countersunk fastener.

 https://www.bestpartstore.co.uk/90278945-oen

[Steveh]

I saw a  tip to help getting them out (any car) , take off wheel then put wheel nuts back on and tighten and it takes pressure of screws. +You get new screws with some new discs.

[Enceladus]

The M6 x 14 countersunk retaining screws were for rear discs on Senator B so probably also for Omega A/Carlton (can't remember). Picture here.

The Omega B & B2 rears use M10 x 1.25 x ?? bolts. With a flat seat and not tapered, exactly as described by johnnydog above. They're available here @ £3.39 ea delivered. Still cheaper than bestpartstore.co.uk suggested above, who charge £8.45 delivery and are just a clone of autodoc.co.uk.

I doubt if you'll find the bolts in a standard fastener suppliers. The head is especially shallow so that it sits flush in a recess on the disc. It's an automotive special.

But why do you want to replace them in the first place? Reuse the existing bolts. All the retaining bolt does is hold the disc in place to aid assembly/disassembly. The clamping of the disc onto the hub is done by the wheel bolts.

[johnnydog]

I can only presume the allen key head has because a little chewed because previously they have been overtighten and / or fitted dry.
As you are thinking of replacing them, they can obviously still be removed, so as an alternative, you could cut a slot across the head, and in future use a wide flat bladed screwdriver to remove them. Only you will see them, and they will be easier to remove next time, especially with the thinest smear of copperslip on the threads.

[Doctor Gollum]

They're a Torx. T35 or T40 from memory.

[Enceladus]

A hex Allen key is required, not a Torx. Pretty clear in the picture I posted earlier. There is a shoulder under the head which sits in the hole in the disc. The shoulder is a slightly larger diameter the the threaded bit to ensure a snug fit in the disc. The bolt only needs to be renewed if the hex socket in the head is damaged.

[johnnydog]

They're a Torx. T35 or T40 from memory.

You are incorrect 
It is a Allen key (hex) head as Enceladus and I stated.....

[Andy B]

They're a Torx. T35 or T40 from memory.

You are incorrect 
It is a Allen key (hex) head as Enceladus and I stated.....

Are you sure Dr G is wrong? 

I thought he was always right! 

[johnnydog]

Oh yes
I think he needs to get another Omega, if only to refresh his memory...... 

[Doctor Gollum]

They're a Torx. T35 or T40 from memory.

You are incorrect 
It is a Allen key (hex) head as Enceladus and I stated.....

It would help to be able to actually see the picture... None of the above links work for me.

As I said, that was from memory, and it is possible that I am mistaken, although I have changed circa 120 pairs of discs over the years, and most have been Torx screws. 🤷‍♂️

[countrywoman]

5mm Allen key , think it was 5 but been a few months since I took the discs off.

[johnnydog]

They're a Torx. T35 or T40 from memory.

You are incorrect 
It is a Allen key (hex) head as Enceladus and I stated.....

It would help to be able to actually see the picture... None of the above links work for me.

As I said, that was from memory, and it is possible that I am mistaken, although I have changed circa 120 pairs of discs over the years, and most have been Torx screws. 🤷‍♂️

Is there a bit of a farmyard smell, or could it be bullshit...?

[Doctor Gollum]

WELL, I've owned over 30 cars, and have serviced the brakes on all of them. Most cars have a pair of brakes at either end, and many have done enough miles to require two sets, four if you include the taxis, which takes the total of brake changes up to around 90, added to which, there is other people's cars, which tend to be brake and suspension work.

You believe what ever you want, and I'm sorry that I might get some of the details muddled up, but if I say I have done something, then I actually have. Getting pretty pissed off with having to justify every sing thing just because the likes of you want to pick holes in it for some sort of gratification.

[johnnydog]

In fairness, in reply 17, you did actually accept that you may be mistaken, which is actually a rarity in itself by the way, but my response was not for any form of gratification, but in response to your continual condescending attitude and regular blunt and abrupt replies to many members queries, not only in this topic, but to a vast number of previous topics over the years, which give the impression that you are criticising their lack of knowledge. I'm not the only member to have commented about your approach to subjects - I'm not saying you haven't got experience of these cars, but unless you are 100% certain about the accuracy of your responses, then you shouldn't be so adamant and in many cases belittling with your replies.
Oh, and it doesn't go amiss to accept you're mistaken (as above), rather than in past instances, just going silent and not responding when you've clearly given duff gen and it has been pointed out and confirmed to be duff info. A 'sorry, I may have got it wrong', or 'I'm not certain, but try this', instead of being so adamant that what you say is correct or the only course of action.
We aren't all perfect and can't know everything, but please give accurate information that you actually know is correct, not what you summise is correct, or be so adamant about a response when it's purely 'from memory'.......