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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Andy B on 23 August 2016, 22:05:05
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At great expense, I had 2 tyres fitted to my Merc today. SHE :o fitted one of the new tyres, placed it on the balancer, spun it up & it told her to fit a 45g & a 30g weight. She then spun it up again and proceeded to fit another packet of them elsewhere on the rim. I intervened & said I wasn't happy with the amount of weights she was going to be fitting. She looked at me blank. ??? I suggested she moved the rim & tyre relative to each other. She looked at me blank. ???
She sought help and re-balanced it .... I've not actually looked yet, but when she was fitting the wheel to my car, she said .... I didn't know you could do that! ??? ???
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Tyre fitters like to drive customers cars on and off the ramps. What would you have said if she'd jumped behind the wheel? ;D
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Tyre fitters like to drive customers cars on and off the ramps. What would you have said if she'd jumped behind the wheel? ;D
You need a jack or two to remove wheels ..... not a ramp ;)
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Tyre fitters like to drive customers cars on and off the ramps. What would you have said if she'd jumped behind the wheel? ;D
You need a jack or two to remove wheels ..... not a ramp ;)
If they use a two-post ramp, the "free safety inspection for your peace of mind" is easier. And so is up selling new shocks, an exhaust, the other two tyres, solid gold wiper blades and a baby seat. Not that any fast fit centre would actually do that.
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Tyre fitters like to drive customers cars on and off the ramps. What would you have said if she'd jumped behind the wheel? ;D
You need a jack or two to remove wheels ..... not a ramp ;)
My local place uses a ramp, I'd say that was another minus for yours.
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If they use a two-post ramp, the "free safety inspection for your peace of mind" is easier. And so is up selling new shocks, an exhaust, the other two tyres, solid gold wiper blades and a baby seat. Not that any fast fit centre would actually do that.
I don't use fast fit centres unless really really stuck. This is an independant tyre bay, been going there years, unfortunately she seems to have a training issue ;) ;)
the other two tyres were fitted by them last year sometime :y ............. at £200 each, they only get repalced as pairs, 4x4 or not ;) ;)
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Tyre fitters like to drive customers cars on and off the ramps. What would you have said if she'd jumped behind the wheel? ;D
You need a jack or two to remove wheels ..... not a ramp ;)
My local place uses a ramp, I'd say that was another minus for yours.
they have just 2 four posters, one in the tyre bay & t'other in the MOT bit behind and where they have a 'tracking'/geometry set up
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Here a question that should come under the title
What is the red spot and yellow circle for on the tire wall
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Here a question that should come under the title
What is the red spot and yellow circle for on the tire wall
Point of maximum run-out and point of maximum imbalance, IIRC.
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Ok well that clears it a tad. My welder friend thinks its where the valve is suppost to be positioned :o
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Ok well that clears it a tad. My welder friend thinks its where the valve is suppost to be positioned :o
He's kind of right ..... that's the starting point
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Not all tyres come with the dots. I would say that 45g is a tad high but still normal. its worse when the balancer tells you to fit 70g and 50g.. :D (usually cheap tyres)
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Ok well that clears it a tad. My welder friend thinks its where the valve is suppost to be positioned :o
He's kind of right ..... that's the starting point
Yeah - I can't remember if the dots are "at" the position of greatest run-out & weight or if they are opposite (and therefore the idea is you line the valve up with one rather than put the valve opposite one).
Ever noticed the red & yellow lines around a tyre? They mean something, too.. I forget what, though :-\
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Not all tyres come with the dots. I would say that 45g is a tad high but still normal. its worse when the balancer tells you to fit 70g and 50g.. :D (usually cheap tyres)
If she'd just fitted the 45g & 30g weights I'd have left it at that, but when she spun it and wanted to add another handful, that's when I said I wasn't prepared to have it balanced like that.
They are Michelin Latitude Sport 3 ......
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Yeah - I can't remember if the dots are "at" the position of greatest run-out & weight or if they are opposite (and therefore the idea is you line the valve up with one rather than put the valve opposite one).
Ever noticed the red & yellow lines around a tyre? They mean something, too.. I forget what, though :-\
Like you, I know they're to do with the heaviest/lightest part of the tyre lining up with the valve which is the heaviest/lightest part of the rim ...... but can never remember which ...... I think it's an age thing :-\ ;D
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http://www.tyrepowerblackwood.com.au/news/135-seeing-spots
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That's it. And for the lines: http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=165
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Nice well thats cleared up. Ill let him know
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If u came to mine for tires you'll get them fitted with wherever the red/yellow dots end up. Complain and you'll be shown the door 😂😂😂
Joking aside my understanding was that you put the yellow dot closest to the valve as the optimum point to balance them. But in reality it doesn't matter. You balance them and as long as they balance at the end of it all' swell.
Normally I find the cheap Chinese tyres are the worst and usually take the most weight to balance.
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Joking aside my understanding was that you put the yellow dot closest to the valve as the optimum point to balance them. But in reality it doesn't matter. You balance them and as long as they balance at the end of it all' swell.
Not if the inside of my alloy looks like a frigging tobelerone it isn't sonny! >:( ;D
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Joking aside my understanding was that you put the yellow dot closest to the valve as the optimum point to balance them. But in reality it doesn't matter. You balance them and as long as they balance at the end of it all' swell.
Not if the inside of my alloy looks like a frigging tobelerone it isn't sonny! >:( ;D
See paragraph 1, sentence 2 ::)😂😂😂😂
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Joking aside my understanding was that you put the yellow dot closest to the valve as the optimum point to balance them. But in reality it doesn't matter. You balance them and as long as they balance at the end of it all' swell.
Not if the inside of my alloy looks like a frigging toblerone it isn't sonny! >:( ;D
Blame has already been assigned to the tyre or the fitter, but there is a third party that often causes massive imbalance that is the car owner's fault more than anything else: due to various factors, lots of modern wheels are badly buckled.
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Joking aside my understanding was that you put the yellow dot closest to the valve as the optimum point to balance them. But in reality it doesn't matter. You balance them and as long as they balance at the end of it all' swell.
Not if the inside of my alloy looks like a frigging toblerone it isn't sonny! >:( ;D
Blame has already been assigned to the tyre or the fitter, but there is a third party that often causes massive imbalance that is the car owner's fault more than anything else: due to various factors, lots of modern wheels are badly buckled.
but if the wheel having the tyre replaced came into the tyre bay with minimum weights and then needs a bucket full, shouldn't that ring alarm bells for the fitter/fitter-ess? :-\ ;)
It also amazed me that she was so surprised when it made a huge difference by moving tyre & rim relative to each other.
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If u came to mine for tires you'll get ..
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What do we keep telling you about watching American sh1te? ::) ::)
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Joking aside my understanding was that you put the yellow dot closest to the valve as the optimum point to balance them. But in reality it doesn't matter. You balance them and as long as they balance at the end of it all' swell.
Not if the inside of my alloy looks like a frigging toblerone it isn't sonny! >:( ;D
Blame has already been assigned to the tyre or the fitter, but there is a third party that often causes massive imbalance that is the car owner's fault more than anything else: due to various factors, lots of modern wheels are badly buckled.
but if the wheel having the tyre replaced came into the tyre bay with minimum weights and then needs a bucket full, shouldn't that ring alarm bells for the fitter/fitter-ess? :-\ ;)
It also amazed me that she was so surprised when it made a huge difference by moving tyre & rim relative to each other.
Based on what I've seen I'd say no. Example.....
I put some cheap shite tyres on my omega. When I balanced them they needed a shocking 120g on the outer and 90 (iirc) on the inner. I was shocked.
This tyre then kept going down so after checking for nails I took it off, sealed it with a bit of tyre jizz and put it back on in a different location. Each side took around 40g to balance.
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And sorry Andy but forgive my ignorance. What do you mean when u say about moving tyre and rim relative to each other?
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Did you really put 120/90g on the rim?? ???
That's when I would have done as Andy says. Loosening the wheel from the rim and turning it 1/4 or 1/2 a turn. Also I always fit one of the weights and re spin it, a lot of the time it gives a different result then.
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Yup 👍
I did mess around with it, moved it around etc but still took that much weight to balance.
As said, remounted tyre later (few weeks) and it took an acceptable amount 👍