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Title: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 30 June 2021, 14:05:44
Interesting one this.

Kim Leadbeater is the Labour candidate and sister of murdered Jo Cox.

Batley Grammar school still seems to have a teacher in hiding in fear for his life.

Gorgeous George Galloway is also in the mix.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 30 June 2021, 17:19:46
A lot of dirty tricks going on apparently.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: STEMO on 30 June 2021, 17:47:21
A lot of dirty tricks going on apparently.
They do say politics is a dirty game.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 30 June 2021, 18:52:30
A lot of dirty tricks going on apparently.

Yes. The Labour party thought it would make political capital out of the Muslim/Hindu dislike of one another.

India and Pakistan are not the best of mates, to say the least, so there was a great opportunity for Labour to exploit this when Boris met with Modi.

All done in the name of 'inclusion' of course. ::)

Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: ronnyd on 30 June 2021, 19:31:38
I believe that half of the Labour membership want Starmer gone if they lose this seat.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: STEMO on 30 June 2021, 19:32:49
I believe that half of the Labour membership want Starmer gone if they lose this seat.
Quite right too, bring back Jezza  :y
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 30 June 2021, 20:04:47
I believe that half of the Labour membership want Starmer gone if they lose this seat.
Quite right too, bring back Jezza  :y

Angela Rayner....  ::)      I bet she's dirty!  :-X   I don't mean politically either!  ;D
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 30 June 2021, 22:50:56
I suspect Andy Burnham will be the leader before long. He seems the only figure in Labour who id presentable, plausible and who might win back the seats in the North.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 30 June 2021, 23:04:24
I suspect Andy Burnham will be the leader before long. He seems the only figure in Labour who id presentable, plausible and who might win back the seats in the North.
;D GLWT.  :D

That's to say he's merely another media savvy self serving drama queen.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 01 July 2021, 13:04:36
How about the delightful Dawn Butler as new leader.......with the equally delightful Diane Abbott as chancellor? 
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Nick W on 01 July 2021, 14:39:20
I suspect Andy Burnham will be the leader before long. He seems the only figure in Labour who id presentable, plausible and who might win back the seats in the North.
;D GLWT.  :D

That's to say he's merely another media savvy self serving drama queen.


And then there's the practical side: he's not an MP, so he would need to find a seat, get selected as the candidate, wait for an election, win that election and finally get elected as leader of the party. That would suggest he's not going to be the next leader of the Labour Party.


Starmer's problem is that he's a centrist having to deal with the consequences of the  stroppy side of the party getting their idea of a leader elected. That has prevented the whole party devising a manifesto to fight the next election, and they need to do that soon. It also led to the initial few months of helping Johnson make an even bigger tit of himself - which is like shooting fish in a barrel for anyone whose mouth is connected to their brain - in parliament be wasted, rather than built upon.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 01 July 2021, 17:04:25
I suspect Andy Burnham will be the leader before long. He seems the only figure in Labour who id presentable, plausible and who might win back the seats in the North.
;D GLWT.  :D

That's to say he's merely another media savvy self serving drama queen.


And then there's the practical side: he's not an MP, so he would need to find a seat, get selected as the candidate, wait for an election, win that election and finally get elected as leader of the party. That would suggest he's not going to be the next leader of the Labour Party.


Starmer's problem is that he's a centrist having to deal with the consequences of the  stroppy side of the party getting their idea of a leader elected. That has prevented the whole party devising a manifesto to fight the next election, and they need to do that soon. It also led to the initial few months of helping Johnson make an even bigger tit of himself - which is like shooting fish in a barrel for anyone whose mouth is connected to their brain - in parliament be wasted, rather than built upon.

Its not that long ago that our current PM was in exactly the same position.
I doubt Burnham will be the next leader, but will follow the next one who will be an interim leader until he positions himself ready to take over.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 01 July 2021, 17:15:56
He showed his true form during that spat over bailout money.

He was being interviewed on national tellbox when he was told that they (we >:() were sending a shed load of extra cash that he had essentially demanded (because we all know how well Labour councils can budget), yet he still went out not twenty minutes later to cry at the cameras about how Westminster were refusing to pay anything.

He wouldn't have left running John Lewis to go into politics if there wasn't something in it for him.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: jonathanh on 01 July 2021, 18:11:56
He showed his true form during that spat over bailout money.

He was being interviewed on national tellbox when he was told that they (we >:() were sending a shed load of extra cash that he had essentially demanded (because we all know how well Labour councils can budget), yet he still went out not twenty minutes later to cry at the cameras about how Westminster were refusing to pay anything.

He wouldn't have left running John Lewis to go into politics if there wasn't something in it for him.

dont thing Burnham did leave JL, Andy Street in Birmingham did
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 01 July 2021, 18:34:28
He showed his true form during that spat over bailout money.

He was being interviewed on national tellbox when he was told that they (we >:() were sending a shed load of extra cash that he had essentially demanded (because we all know how well Labour councils can budget), yet he still went out not twenty minutes later to cry at the cameras about how Westminster were refusing to pay anything.

He wouldn't have left running John Lewis to go into politics if there wasn't something in it for him.

dont thing Burnham did leave JL, Andy Street in Birmingham did
I stand corrected :y

A very different person to that Burnham chap ;)
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 01 July 2021, 18:37:42
Dont get me wrong. I think the same of Burnham as I do of all of his kind. I do think though, that he may be a wise choice for Labour if they want to win back votes in the north of England.
He is quite a shrewd politician, and thats not meant as a compliment.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: STEMO on 01 July 2021, 18:44:14
Dont get me wrong. I think the same of Burnham as I do of all of his kind. I do think though, that he may be a wise choice for Labour if they want to win back votes in the north of England.
He is quite a shrewd politician, and thats not meant as a compliment.
I read the Manchester Evening News, and most of the comments are critical of him. It was on his watch that GMP were caught burying crime reports and falsifying the statistics.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Raeturbo on 02 July 2021, 01:42:34
How about the delightful Dawn Butler as new leader.......with the equally demonic Diane Abbott as chancer
.                 Fixed
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 02 July 2021, 08:55:03
Labour hold on with just 323 votes.  George Galloway demands a recount and may take court action.  ::)
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Nick W on 02 July 2021, 10:04:12
Labour hold on with just 323 votes.  George Galloway demands a recount and may take court action.  ::)


He's following the Trump playbook(the one written in crayon) as he's only 5 thousand votes behind her.


323 votes out of an electorate of 80,000 is unlikely to be have been declared without at least one recount anyway. Especially in a constituency that has a history of being marginal for both parties.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: STEMO on 02 July 2021, 11:24:55
That's the beauty, or not, of our electoral system. Just one vote will do it, so 323 is well in.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 02 July 2021, 11:42:31
Im watching Starmer, Leadbeater and a group of supporters celebrating her victory, live on SKY news at the moment.
I have seen only one person wearing a mask, and no social distancing whatsoever.
Unbelievable !
I bet plod wont round them up and issue them all with fines.  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Nick W on 02 July 2021, 11:54:27
That's the beauty, or not, of our electoral system. Just one vote will do it, so 323 is well in.


You want to be absolutely sure that it's right, so the returning officer - the person who is legally responsible for running an election and the accuracy of the result - will order recounts until they are certain. That is usually done after a discussion with the candidates and council officials. My Dad says that, at least in Medway, the procedure for when the count repeatedly goes a couple of votes each way was to toss a coin. Fortunately, that has never proved to be necessary!
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 02 July 2021, 12:10:08
That's the beauty, or not, of our electoral system. Just one vote will do it, so 323 is well in.


You want to be absolutely sure that it's right, so the returning officer - the person who is legally responsible for running an election and the accuracy of the result - will order recounts until they are certain. That is usually done after a discussion with the candidates and council officials. My Dad says that, at least in Medway, the procedure for when the count repeatedly goes a couple of votes each way was to toss a coin. Fortunately, that has never proved to be necessary!

Which is why Galloway is demanding a recount.  I've seen no suggestion that there has already been one, so surely as a candidate he is well within his rights to request one, whether he is 322 votes behind or 8000 odd.  ::)
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: STEMO on 02 July 2021, 12:18:43
That's the beauty, or not, of our electoral system. Just one vote will do it, so 323 is well in.


You want to be absolutely sure that it's right, so the returning officer - the person who is legally responsible for running an election and the accuracy of the result - will order recounts until they are certain. That is usually done after a discussion with the candidates and council officials. My Dad says that, at least in Medway, the procedure for when the count repeatedly goes a couple of votes each way was to toss a coin. Fortunately, that has never proved to be necessary!

Which is why Galloway is demanding a recount.  I've seen no suggestion that there has already been one, so surely as a candidate he is well within his rights to request one, whether he is 322 votes behind or 8000 odd.  ::)
Shut it, Donald  ;D
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 July 2021, 13:14:26
Im watching Starmer, Leadbeater and a group of supporters celebrating her victory, live on SKY news at the moment.
I have seen only one person wearing a mask, and no social distancing whatsoever.
Unbelievable !
I bet plod wont round them up and issue them all with fines.  >:( >:(

Apparently there are people of 'an executive nature' who are immune to covid. This will be the reason. :)

Same with the football.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Nick W on 02 July 2021, 13:24:53
That's the beauty, or not, of our electoral system. Just one vote will do it, so 323 is well in.


You want to be absolutely sure that it's right, so the returning officer - the person who is legally responsible for running an election and the accuracy of the result - will order recounts until they are certain. That is usually done after a discussion with the candidates and council officials. My Dad says that, at least in Medway, the procedure for when the count repeatedly goes a couple of votes each way was to toss a coin. Fortunately, that has never proved to be necessary!

Which is why Galloway is demanding a recount.  I've seen no suggestion that there has already been one, so surely as a candidate he is well within his rights to request one, whether he is 322 votes behind or 8000 odd.  ::)


I meant to include but forgot to, that very low number - ones that only just make it into double figures - majorities are the ones that tend to automatically get one or more recounts before they're announced. As I said, the returning officer is entirely responsible for the election, including the cost, and there are severe penalties for corruption or incompetence or ineptitude. Actually getting a recount after the result has been announced is going to require serious proof of one or more of those. Galloway's "demands" are just posturing.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 July 2021, 14:33:42
My biggest disappointment about this contest is that neither the Conservative or Labour party uttered one single word of support for the teacher from Batley Grammar, or one single word of condemnation for the people who forced him to flee. :-\

As for the teaching unions, they just seemed to stare at their feet like naughty children hoping it would all go away.  :-\

What is their purpose if not to support teachers?
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: STEMO on 02 July 2021, 14:35:35
My biggest disappointment about this contest is that neither the Conservative or Labour party uttered one single word of support for the teacher from Batley Grammar, or one single word of condemnation for the people who forced him to flee. :-\

As for the teaching unions, they just seemed to stare at their feet like naughty children hoping it would all go away.  :-\

What is their purpose if not to support teachers?
You're wrong. Leadbeater went public with her support, it was all over the local news.
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 July 2021, 14:40:06
My biggest disappointment about this contest is that neither the Conservative or Labour party uttered one single word of support for the teacher from Batley Grammar, or one single word of condemnation for the people who forced him to flee. :-\

As for the teaching unions, they just seemed to stare at their feet like naughty children hoping it would all go away.  :-\

What is their purpose if not to support teachers?
You're wrong. Leadbeater went public with her support, it was all over the local news.

So what has Starmer and the Labour leadership done to make things right?.....or the spineless Tories for that matter.

Very, very little.

I don't blame them they are all shit scared. :)
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: STEMO on 02 July 2021, 14:41:00
My biggest disappointment about this contest is that neither the Conservative or Labour party uttered one single word of support for the teacher from Batley Grammar, or one single word of condemnation for the people who forced him to flee. :-\

As for the teaching unions, they just seemed to stare at their feet like naughty children hoping it would all go away.  :-\

What is their purpose if not to support teachers?
You're wrong. Leadbeater went public with her support, it was all over the local news.

So what has Starmer and the Labour leadership done to make things right?

Very, very little.

I don't blame them they are all shit scared. :)
How would you have 'made things right'?
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 July 2021, 14:59:24
My biggest disappointment about this contest is that neither the Conservative or Labour party uttered one single word of support for the teacher from Batley Grammar, or one single word of condemnation for the people who forced him to flee. :-\

As for the teaching unions, they just seemed to stare at their feet like naughty children hoping it would all go away.  :-\

What is their purpose if not to support teachers?
You're wrong. Leadbeater went public with her support, it was all over the local news.

So what has Starmer and the Labour leadership done to make things right?

Very, very little.

I don't blame them they are all shit scared. :)
How would you have 'made things right'?

Not easy, I know.

Perhaps Viktor Orban and Alexander Lukashenko could offer advice. They don't seem to suffer this type of problem for some unknown reason.

Both Boris and Starmer were 'pussies' :-X
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: STEMO on 02 July 2021, 15:52:05
My biggest disappointment about this contest is that neither the Conservative or Labour party uttered one single word of support for the teacher from Batley Grammar, or one single word of condemnation for the people who forced him to flee. :-\

As for the teaching unions, they just seemed to stare at their feet like naughty children hoping it would all go away.  :-\

What is their purpose if not to support teachers?
You're wrong. Leadbeater went public with her support, it was all over the local news.

So what has Starmer and the Labour leadership done to make things right?

Very, very little.

I don't blame them they are all shit scared. :)
How would you have 'made things right'?

Not easy, I know.

Perhaps Viktor Orban and Alexander Lukashenko could offer advice. They don't seem to suffer this type of problem for some unknown reason.

Both Boris and Starmer were 'pussies' :-X
So you have no idea then?  ::)
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: STEMO on 02 July 2021, 15:53:24
Oh.....and I'm sure, once covid restrictions are over, both Belarus and Hungary would welcome you with open arms  ;D
Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 July 2021, 18:58:44
My biggest disappointment about this contest is that neither the Conservative or Labour party uttered one single word of support for the teacher from Batley Grammar, or one single word of condemnation for the people who forced him to flee. :-\

As for the teaching unions, they just seemed to stare at their feet like naughty children hoping it would all go away.  :-\

What is their purpose if not to support teachers?
You're wrong. Leadbeater went public with her support, it was all over the local news.

So what has Starmer and the Labour leadership done to make things right?

Very, very little.

I don't blame them they are all shit scared. :)
How would you have 'made things right'?

Not easy, I know.

Perhaps Viktor Orban and Alexander Lukashenko could offer advice. They don't seem to suffer this type of problem for some unknown reason.

Both Boris and Starmer were 'pussies' :-X
So you have no idea then?  ::)

You're the man for the job, not me.

You're a pensioner, so have time.
You're married to a teacher who is presumably 'supported' by the teachers union.
You live Barnsleywakefield,  which is just down the road from Batley.

So, dust off your pith helmet, kit your whippet out with battle armour, then get over there and show these dark foreign johnnies not to mess with the British Empire. ::) :P :P

....or, more likely, you could switch on Emerdale and Corrie, enjoy a nice cup of Ovaltine, and forget about the whole thing. :)

Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 July 2021, 19:01:29
Oh.....and I'm sure, once covid restrictions are over, both Belarus and Hungary would welcome you with open arms  ;D

I doubt they bother much about covid.....seeing it more as nature's cull of old unproductive people.

Title: Re: Batley and Spen by-election.
Post by: STEMO on 02 July 2021, 19:36:30
Oh.....and I'm sure, once covid restrictions are over, both Belarus and Hungary would welcome you with open arms  ;D

I doubt they bother much about covid.....seeing it more as nature's cull of old unproductive people.
Oh...right :o Maybe they wouldn't welcome you then  ;D