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[Sir Tigger KC]

Texas draw the line at a measurable pulse, approximately six weeks.

A lot of pregnant people wouldn't even know that they are pregnant at six weeks. 

When the Republic of Ireland legalised abortion recently the pro-choice crowd were rapturous, but what wasn't mentioned much was that the term limit was twelve weeks. In the UK it is twenty four weeks, (approximately six months) which personally I think should be revisited and reduced for much the same reasons that Albs outlined above.   

It would be massively controversial though.   

Incidentally approximately 200,000 abortions are carried out every year in the UK.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Texas draw the line at a measurable pulse, approximately six weeks.

A lot of pregnant people wouldn't even know that they are pregnant at six weeks. 

When the Republic of Ireland legalised abortion recently the pro-choice crowd were rapturous, but what wasn't mentioned much was that the term limit was twelve weeks. In the UK it is twenty four weeks, (approximately six months) which personally I think should be revisited and reduced for much the same reasons that Albs outlined above.   

It would be massively controversial though.   

Incidentally approximately 200,000 abortions are carried out every year in the UK.

Don't start....

[Sir Tigger KC]

Texas draw the line at a measurable pulse, approximately six weeks.

A lot of pregnant people wouldn't even know that they are pregnant at six weeks. 

When the Republic of Ireland legalised abortion recently the pro-choice crowd were rapturous, but what wasn't mentioned much was that the term limit was twelve weeks. In the UK it is twenty four weeks, (approximately six months) which personally I think should be revisited and reduced for much the same reasons that Albs outlined above.   

It would be massively controversial though.   

Incidentally approximately 200,000 abortions are carried out every year in the UK.

Don't start....

 

[Migalot]

Ok - devils advocate, cat among the pigeons etc.
Apart from the fact that abortion has become almost, just another from of contraception - how can it be promoted on the grounds of a woman having the right to choose over her own body ?
The state of being pregnant is a woman having another body inside her body.
Whatever the problems or issues around a pregnancy, is killing the baby really the best solution ?
When abortions are carried out after the fetus has developed into a recognisable small human, I have been told that it involves pulling off its various limbs and head in order to get it out easily
If thats the case, is it really right and moral ?
In these days of freely available contraception in all its forms, why are there so many abortions anyway ?

Whatever the arguments, and rights & wrongs of the whole thing - when you have a left wing nutter like Hilary Clinton stating that abortion, right up to the moment of delivery is perfectly fine, you will get a reaction against it.
To my mind, a reasonable compromise might be to allow it while it is still a bunch of cells, but have a cut off point before it is actually a recognisable baby ?
Medical advances over the years mean that babies are now born prematurely, and survive, who could have been legally aborted.
That doesnt sit quite right with me.
Im honestly not sure about the whole thing tbh, but Im not just going to go along with the accepted wisdom either, without questioning it.

And no, Im not a Catholic. Far from it actually. 

I largely agree with you.

It must be remembered that the issue is very divisive and the views of people in Red states like Texas and Blue states like California are, on this and a number of issues (like gun laws and immigration) poles apart. The SCOTUS ruling is that law on this subject should be passed on a state, not federal, level. It's a constitutional issue and, as I said earlier, it is a matter for the America to decide. Unfortunately, it should be noted that BLM and Antifa are already acting in a very bellicose manner (egged on by people like Maxine Walters) which makes me think that the issue will be used a pretence for ugly violence by the militant left.

I dread to think what will occur this weekend. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Ok - devils advocate, cat among the pigeons etc.
Apart from the fact that abortion has become almost, just another from of contraception - how can it be promoted on the grounds of a woman having the right to choose over her own body ?
The state of being pregnant is a woman having another body inside her body.
Whatever the problems or issues around a pregnancy, is killing the baby really the best solution ?
When abortions are carried out after the fetus has developed into a recognisable small human, I have been told that it involves pulling off its various limbs and head in order to get it out easily
If thats the case, is it really right and moral ?
In these days of freely available contraception in all its forms, why are there so many abortions anyway ?

Whatever the arguments, and rights & wrongs of the whole thing - when you have a left wing nutter like Hilary Clinton stating that abortion, right up to the moment of delivery is perfectly fine, you will get a reaction against it.
To my mind, a reasonable compromise might be to allow it while it is still a bunch of cells, but have a cut off point before it is actually a recognisable baby ?
Medical advances over the years mean that babies are now born prematurely, and survive, who could have been legally aborted.
That doesnt sit quite right with me.
Im honestly not sure about the whole thing tbh, but Im not just going to go along with the accepted wisdom either, without questioning it.

And no, Im not a Catholic. Far from it actually. 

I largely agree with you.

It must be remembered that the issue is very divisive and the views of people in Red states like Texas and Blue states like California are, on this and a number of issues (like gun laws and immigration) poles apart. The SCOTUS ruling is that law on this subject should be passed on a state, not federal, level. It's a constitutional issue and, as I said earlier, it is a matter for the America to decide. Unfortunately, it should be noted that BLM and Antifa are already acting in a very bellicose manner (egged on by people like Maxine Walters) which makes me think that the issue will be used a pretence for ugly violence by the militant left.

I dread to think what will occur this weekend.

Belligerent democrats will torch their own neighbourhoods.

They like that sort of thing.

Free trainers and wide screen TV anyone?

[Doctor Gollum]

Texas draw the line at a measurable pulse, approximately six weeks.

A lot of pregnant people wouldn't even know that they are pregnant at six weeks. 

When the Republic of Ireland legalised abortion recently the pro-choice crowd were rapturous, but what wasn't mentioned much was that the term limit was twelve weeks. In the UK it is twenty four weeks, (approximately six months) which personally I think should be revisited and reduced for much the same reasons that Albs outlined above.   

It would be massively controversial though.   

Incidentally approximately 200,000 abortions are carried out every year in the UK.

I think this is why they have allowed for certain circumstances.

Taking the morning after pill in addition to other readily available contraceptive methods is something that should be freely available, discussed and even encouraged. And this is where much of the work needs to be done.

Obviously, '' every sperm is sacred', so there's that too...

[STEMO]

I think most people understand perfectly, you condescending bastard.

Nasty, nasty comment. Civility is obviously not your forte

I was referring to the many in the US who have been whipped up into a frenzy since the leaked ruling and who will now choose to resort to violence. Besides which, what the SCOTUS rules is hardly our business.

Me, nasty? Never. Ask anyone.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

https://youtu.be/eciDVOAIXHc

Anyway....giving birth is a piece of piss for a Yorkshire woman. I don't know what all the fuss is about.

[Sir Tigger KC]

For those who are not particularly squeamish the link below has a photo of the collection of cells that make up an 18 week foetus.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/nov/18/foetus-images-lennart-nilsson-photojournalist

The UK's term limit is 24 weeks and most Western European countries limits are between 12 and 14 weeks. France for example bans abortion after 12 weeks.

Apparently the new laws in Florida, Virginia and Mississippi will ban abortion after 15 weeks making them more liberal than France and most other Western European countries.  Who knew?     

Some US states will of course enact complete bans. 

[Viral_Jim]

To frame this as about the rights of children is disingenuous in the extreme given what the US won't do for them and the mothers who give birth to them after they are born. I lifted this direct from Twitter, but I agree with most/all of it. And I don't consider any of the below to be namby pamby left wing handouts to irresponsible mother's, everything below benefits the child. Which is the paper thin premise SCOTUS used to come to their decision.

If it was about babies, we’d have excellent and free universal maternal care. You wouldn’t be charged a cent to give birth, no matter how complicated your delivery was. If it was about babies, we’d have months and months of parental leave, for everyone.

If it was about babies, we’d have free lactation consultants, free diapers, free formula. If it was about babies, we’d have free and excellent childcare from newborns on. If it was about babies, we’d have universal preschool and pre-k and guaranteed after school placements.

If it was about babies, IVF and adoption wouldn’t just be for folks with thousands and thousands of dollars to spend on expanding their families.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

It is very much about namby pamby left wing handouts. Just like we have in this country. If you cant afford to have them and bring them up, dont get pregnant.
The U.S. became the richest country in the world because it was built on the principle of working for what you want in life.
No free lunches. I wish we had more of it here.

[Lizzie Zoom]

For those who are not particularly squeamish the link below has a photo of the collection of cells that make up an 18 week foetus.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/nov/18/foetus-images-lennart-nilsson-photojournalist

The UK's term limit is 24 weeks and most Western European countries limits are between 12 and 14 weeks. France for example bans abortion after 12 weeks.

Apparently the new laws in Florida, Virginia and Mississippi will ban abortion after 15 weeks making them more liberal than France and most other Western European countries.  Who knew?     

Some US states will of course enact complete bans.

And that is the problem.

Women must have the right to decide whether or not to keep a pregnancy up to an acceptable time limit. They may be pregnant due to being rapped, or forced upon by a predatory male husband or partner, or discover that a serious medical situation is now involved in their case.

It is not a case of falling pregnant and deciding you cannot afford it so don’t get pregnant in the first place.  That is a typical ignorant male argument who cannot envisage there being many other factors in each case of a women finding out she is expecting.

We as women have the right to decide, within a decent time limit, what will happen to our bodies and psychological state if we continue with a pregnancy. It should be no one’s business but that of the women given her circumstances, and in the context of the USA that is being discussed in this thread, the huge financial commitment as they will not benefit from a free health care system.

It cannot be down to any man to decide the rules for a women up to a certain time limit, may it be 14, 24, or any other limit of weeks, as they can simply walk away from it all if so inclined to do so. It must always be down to the women to decide her fate at that stage, and that of the collection of cells she has inside her.

What has transpired in the US is a real step backwards, and a further step in the decline of that once great country.  This is a very divisive legal / political decision that has instantly further divided this nation, which in recent years is adding to my belief that, like all great empires, is now imploding after their American century.  For US women though, they will now suffer from this bad decision and many lives will be lost due to the medically correct early pregnancy decisions not being able to be enacted to terminate due to a legal / political decision taken by their Supreme Court. :'( :'( :'(

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

For those who are not particularly squeamish the link below has a photo of the collection of cells that make up an 18 week foetus.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/nov/18/foetus-images-lennart-nilsson-photojournalist

The UK's term limit is 24 weeks and most Western European countries limits are between 12 and 14 weeks. France for example bans abortion after 12 weeks.

Apparently the new laws in Florida, Virginia and Mississippi will ban abortion after 15 weeks making them more liberal than France and most other Western European countries.  Who knew?     

Some US states will of course enact complete bans.

And that is the problem.

Women must have the right to decide whether or not to keep a pregnancy up to an acceptable time limit. They may be pregnant due to being rapped, or forced upon by a predatory male husband or partner, or discover that a serious medical situation is now involved in their case.

It is not a case of falling pregnant and deciding you cannot afford it so don’t get pregnant in the first place.  That is a typical ignorant male argument who cannot envisage there being many other factors in each case of a women finding out she is expecting.

We as women have the right to decide, within a decent time limit, what will happen to our bodies and psychological state if we continue with a pregnancy. It should be no one’s business but that of the women given her circumstances, and in the context of the USA that is being discussed in this thread, the huge financial commitment as they will not benefit from a free health care system.

It cannot be down to any man to decide the rules for a women up to a certain time limit, may it be 14, 24, or any other limit of weeks, as they can simply walk away from it all if so inclined to do so. It must always be down to the women to decide her fate at that stage, and that of the collection of cells she has inside her.

What has transpired in the US is a real step backwards, and a further step in the decline of that once great country.  This is a very divisive legal / political decision that has instantly further divided this nation, which in recent years is adding to my belief that, like all great empires, is now imploding after their American century.  For US women though, they will now suffer from this bad decision and many lives will be lost due to the medically correct early pregnancy decisions not being able to be enacted to terminate due to a legal / political decision taken by their Supreme Court. :'( :'( :'(

I tend to agree with most of what Lizzie says.....I shall now lay down in a darkened room.

The 'travel part' puts me in mind of the NI situation were women would come across to England. I think the law has now been changed.

[Doctor Gollum]

Which shows how much you understand of the decision LZ 

"We therefore hold that the Constitution does not confer a right to abortion. Roe and Casey must be overruled, and the authority to regulate abortion must be returned to the people and their elected representatives."

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I was sorely tempted to reply to the utter drivel, but whats the point ?