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[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

We arent really in a position to lecture them on Democracy though are we ? 
Anyone remember Gordon McRuin refusing to leave Downing street for quite some time after clearly losing the general election by 2 million votes and 60 seats ?
Whats more, the good old BBC (and plenty more in the MSM) presented his case for him as though it was the most reasonable course of action in the world.
That was nothing though. After the biggest vote in the history of the country in 2016, most of the media, half of Parliament (lead by the speaker no less) and most of the unelected Lords, refused point blank to allow the outcome of the vote to be implemented. They were unrelenting until Boris (despite his many faults) won a huge majority, with a mandate to crack on with it.
And in the U.S. itself, all those in Washington, along with their friends in the media who are currently outraged, are the same people who still havent accepted the result of the previous election, and have tried every dirty trick in the book to overturn it during the least 4 years.
People in glass houses........

[LC0112G]

We arent really in a position to lecture them on Democracy though are we ? 
Anyone remember Gordon McRuin refusing to leave Downing street for quite some time after clearly losing the general election by 2 million votes and 60 seats ?
Whats more, the good old BBC (and plenty more in the MSM) presented his case for him as though it was the most reasonable course of action in the world.
That was nothing though. After the biggest vote in the history of the country in 2016, most of the media, half of Parliament (lead by the speaker no less) and most of the unelected Lords, refused point blank to allow the outcome of the vote to be implemented. They were unrelenting until Boris (despite his many faults) won a huge majority, with a mandate to crack on with it.
And in the U.S. itself, all those in Washington, along with their friends in the media who are currently outraged, are the same people who still havent accepted the result of the previous election, and have tried every dirty trick in the book to overturn it during the least 4 years.
People in glass houses........

Sounds to me that it's you that don't understand Democracy. 

There is no single correct interpretation of "Democracy", and conflating the systems between any two countries is at best unwise, and at worst extremely  foolish. The dictionary definition is "a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives" .

The UK has a Parliamentary democracy under which Parliament is sovereign, not the People. The Democratic Republic of Korea has something a bit different, and the USA is different again.

[Olympia5776]

We arent really in a position to lecture them on Democracy though are we ? 
Anyone remember Gordon McRuin refusing to leave Downing street for quite some time after clearly losing the general election by 2 million votes and 60 seats ?
Whats more, the good old BBC (and plenty more in the MSM) presented his case for him as though it was the most reasonable course of action in the world.
That was nothing though. After the biggest vote in the history of the country in 2016, most of the media, half of Parliament (lead by the speaker no less) and most of the unelected Lords, refused point blank to allow the outcome of the vote to be implemented. They were unrelenting until Boris (despite his many faults) won a huge majority, with a mandate to crack on with it.
And in the U.S. itself, all those in Washington, along with their friends in the media who are currently outraged, are the same people who still havent accepted the result of the previous election, and have tried every dirty trick in the book to overturn it during the least 4 years.
People in glass houses........

Sounds to me that it's you that don't understand Democracy. 

There is no single correct interpretation of "Democracy", and conflating the systems between any two countries is at best unwise, and at worst extremely  foolish. The dictionary definition is "a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives" .

The UK has a Parliamentary democracy under which Parliament is sovereign, not the People. The Democratic Republic of Korea has something a bit different, and the USA is different again.

That may be so but the results of the 2019 General Election shows were ultimate democracy lies  . And quite rightly so .

[Rangie]

A young country whose lifespan so far is a mere 250 years, and during those short years they've had a genocide, a civil war, a couple of wars with the neighbours, four assassinated presidents, 3 impeached presidents and one president who resigned before he was impeached.   

Sounds like a latin american banana republic?  No it's that supposedly beacon of democracy that the media have been talking about the last couple of days, the United States of America!

So it's just business as usual really! 

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Excellent, that's it in a nutshell really, couldn't have expressed it better myself..👌

[Nick W]

A young country whose lifespan so far is a mere 250 years, and during those short years they've had a genocide, a civil war, a couple of wars with the neighbours, four assassinated presidents, 3 impeached presidents and one president who resigned before he was impeached.   

Sounds like a latin american banana republic?  No it's that supposedly beacon of democracy that the media have been talking about the last couple of days, the United States of America!

So it's just business as usual really! 

Other, long established countries were just practice for the premier performance

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Hero with a gun. It would have been more than one if it was me.

Hero with a gun or coward with a gun just be grateful  the deceased was not 'dark of skin'.

Can you imagine the amount of wide screen TV that would go missing in the name of reparation.

[LC0112G]

Sounds to me that it's you that don't understand Democracy. 

There is no single correct interpretation of "Democracy", and conflating the systems between any two countries is at best unwise, and at worst extremely  foolish. The dictionary definition is "a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives" .

The UK has a Parliamentary democracy under which Parliament is sovereign, not the People. The Democratic Republic of Korea has something a bit different, and the USA is different again.

That may be so but the results of the 2019 General Election shows were ultimate democracy lies  . And quite rightly so .

The result of EVERY UK election shows where democracy lies - in Parliament. Only Parliament decides when a vote will be. Only Parliament decides who can vote. Under 18's can't and nor can prisoners. It wasn't long ago that under 21's couldn't vote, and before that Women couldn't, and before that only the landed gentry could vote. In the UK Parliament decides the rules, not the people.

[BazaJT]

A fair bit is being made of the woman being[rightly or wrongly]shot little is mentioned of the police officer who also died there while doing his duty.
A woman[Trump supporter] who owns a candy store[as the Americans call them]near the Capitol building was seen going to see a priest[she took no part in the "protest" and someone has said her shop should be boycotted over this while another says he is willing to "open a dialogue" with her!!

[Nick W]

Sounds to me that it's you that don't understand Democracy. 

There is no single correct interpretation of "Democracy", and conflating the systems between any two countries is at best unwise, and at worst extremely  foolish. The dictionary definition is "a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives" .

The UK has a Parliamentary democracy under which Parliament is sovereign, not the People. The Democratic Republic of Korea has something a bit different, and the USA is different again.

That may be so but the results of the 2019 General Election shows were ultimate democracy lies  . And quite rightly so .

The result of EVERY UK election shows where democracy lies - in Parliament. Only Parliament decides when a vote will be. Only Parliament decides who can vote. Under 18's can't and nor can prisoners. It wasn't long ago that under 21's couldn't vote, and before that Women couldn't, and before that only the landed gentry could vote. In the UK Parliament decides the rules, not the people.

Which is exactly how a representative democracy is supposed to work. The elected representative is supposed to vote according to their manifesto, but they don't have to.

[STEMO]

Sounds to me that it's you that don't understand Democracy. 

There is no single correct interpretation of "Democracy", and conflating the systems between any two countries is at best unwise, and at worst extremely  foolish. The dictionary definition is "a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives" .

The UK has a Parliamentary democracy under which Parliament is sovereign, not the People. The Democratic Republic of Korea has something a bit different, and the USA is different again.

That may be so but the results of the 2019 General Election shows were ultimate democracy lies  . And quite rightly so .

The result of EVERY UK election shows where democracy lies - in Parliament. Only Parliament decides when a vote will be. Only Parliament decides who can vote. Under 18's can't and nor can prisoners. It wasn't long ago that under 21's couldn't vote, and before that Women couldn't, and before that only the landed gentry could vote. In the UK Parliament decides the rules, not the people.

Which is exactly how a representative democracy is supposed to work. The elected representative is supposed to vote according to their manifesto, but they don't have to.

Translation: Politicians are lying bastards who will say anything to get elected.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

This years award for stating the bleeding obvious goes to........

[LC0112G]

Sounds to me that it's you that don't understand Democracy. 

There is no single correct interpretation of "Democracy", and conflating the systems between any two countries is at best unwise, and at worst extremely  foolish. The dictionary definition is "a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives" .

The UK has a Parliamentary democracy under which Parliament is sovereign, not the People. The Democratic Republic of Korea has something a bit different, and the USA is different again.

That may be so but the results of the 2019 General Election shows were ultimate democracy lies  . And quite rightly so .

The result of EVERY UK election shows where democracy lies - in Parliament. Only Parliament decides when a vote will be. Only Parliament decides who can vote. Under 18's can't and nor can prisoners. It wasn't long ago that under 21's couldn't vote, and before that Women couldn't, and before that only the landed gentry could vote. In the UK Parliament decides the rules, not the people.

Which is exactly how a representative democracy is supposed to work. The elected representative is supposed to vote according to their manifesto, but they don't have to.

Agree. Which is why it's pointless comparing democracies in different countries. In the US they vote for Congressmen in the lower house, Senators in the upper house, and the President (currently in the loony house). Thankfully here we only have to vote for one lot of crooks - in the Lower House (House of Commons). The Upper House (the Lords) is appointed by the Govt, and the Queen is the Queen. We don't get to vote for the Queen, or the Prime minister at all.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Its not pointless at all. The basic principle of the various forms of Democracy is, that the majority win.
So if you lose by 60 seats / 2 million votes then try to play the system to stay in office that isnt being democratic.
If you state categorically you will abide by the result of a Referendum (as all our Parliamentarians did) then try every trick known to man to do the opposite, when the voters give the wrong result, that isnt being Democratic.
When a President wins by a clear majority, then his opponents claim Putin fiddled the election so he could win. The  try to impeach him. Try to prove him a criminal, and all the other tricks pulled in the last 4 years. That isnt Democratic.
When your favourite candidate loses the Presidential election and you storm the Capitol building. That isnt being democratic.
I think most adults understand the basics of the Constitutional arrangements of the systems in their own countries, but they also understand the basic principles of Democracy being undermined when its happening on their TV screens.

In my view, most Politicians only believe in Democracy when it suits them.

[LC0112G]

Its not pointless at all. The basic principle of the various forms of Democracy is, that the majority win.
So if you lose by 60 seats / 2 million votes then try to play the system to stay in office that isnt being democratic.
If you state categorically you will abide by the result of a Referendum (as all our Parliamentarians did) then try every trick known to man to do the opposite, when the voters give the wrong result, that isnt being Democratic.
When a President wins by a clear majority, then his opponents claim Putin fiddled the election so he could win. The  try to impeach him. Try to prove him a criminal, and all the other tricks pulled in the last 4 years. That isnt Democratic.
When your favourite candidate loses the Presidential election and you storm the Capitol building. That isnt being democratic.
I think most adults understand the basics of the Constitutional arrangements of the systems in their own countries, but they also understand the basic principles of Democracy being undermined when its happening on their TV screens.

In my view, most Politicians only believe in Democracy when it suits them.

Care to provide any proof of this statement?

[Doctor Gollum]

David Camerons resignation for a start.