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complete front v6 o/s strut
« on: 30 August 2020, 08:27:41 »

hi. has anyone near to halifax got a front strut complete with spring mount etc ready to fit for a v6 please. idealy today or tommorow !
long shot i know but needed to do pre booked mot then new ones can be fitted at a later date.
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #1 on: 01 September 2020, 20:14:01 »

ok mot sorted now but still looking for a complete v6 strut.anywhere now not needed to be local .if you have one ( std spec) price inc postage please. nothing obvious on ebay at the moment loads of 2.2 ones .but no v6
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #2 on: 01 September 2020, 20:50:45 »

The only difference is the spring... Which you are presumably re using or replacing  ???
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #3 on: 01 September 2020, 20:56:24 »

thanks dg thats what i thought. just looking for a unit complete ready to fit but for a v6.

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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #4 on: 01 September 2020, 21:00:41 »

what about THESE?
 
£25 for a pair delivered, is surely the way to go? Especially as you'll need to have the car aligned no matter what sort of shock you buy.
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #5 on: 01 September 2020, 21:33:44 »

what about THESE?
 
£25 for a pair delivered, is surely the way to go? Especially as you'll need to have the car aligned no matter what sort of shock you buy.
those are Omega A / carlton ones ? looking at the engine lists  :-\
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #6 on: 01 September 2020, 21:43:33 »

hmmm, good point. I've never thought of Carltons as Omegas.


I was surprised by that listing, as I was expecting new Omega struts at about £40 each. Which I would still buy instead of a used-up one.
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #7 on: 01 September 2020, 21:49:19 »

The only use of a complete second hand strut is that it allows you to build up a new strut/spring/topmount ahead of doing the actual job...
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #8 on: 01 September 2020, 21:51:55 »

hmmm, good point. I've never thought of Carltons as Omegas.


I was surprised by that listing, as I was expecting new Omega struts at about £40 each. Which I would still buy instead of a used-up one.
Indeed , used shocks with 100K / 15 years of being worn out probably not a good move
I'd replace both fronts with new at the very least
then I'd remember the backs are just a nut and bolt to swap and be ordering those too  ;D

The only use of a complete second hand strut is that it allows you to build up a new strut/spring/topmount ahead of doing the actual job...
which takes half an hour if your slow , so may as well fit new 
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #9 on: 01 September 2020, 22:15:55 »

The only use of a complete second hand strut is that it allows you to build up a new strut/spring/topmount ahead of doing the actual job...

[/size] New spring, bearing, top mount and bump stop/dust cover, as on all of those parts were knackered on every one I've taken apart. It costs about £100 in parts per side, but means the front end is good for at least another 100,000 miles)more than the life of most remaining cars) without issues. All I want from a strut are the rubber isolators, spring cup and spacers/washers. I still have a spare set of those, so would build a complete strut in a spare 5 minutes. Like I did here:[size=78%]




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that was several days before we started on the car.
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #10 on: 01 September 2020, 22:33:16 »

new ones will be fitted in due course just thought someone would have one from a breaker. have messaged a few sellers on ebay but not heard back yet.
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #11 on: 01 September 2020, 23:21:03 »

The only use of a complete second hand strut is that it allows you to build up a new strut/spring/topmount ahead of doing the actual job...

[/size] New spring, bearing, top mount and bump stop/dust cover, as on all of those parts were knackered on every one I've taken apart. It costs about £100 in parts per side, but means the front end is good for at least another 100,000 miles)more than the life of most remaining cars) without issues. All I want from a strut are the rubber isolators, spring cup and spacers/washers. I still have a spare set of those, so would build a complete strut in a spare 5 minutes. Like I did here:[size=78%]




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that was several days before we started on the car.
Exactly  :y
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #12 on: 02 September 2020, 10:03:51 »

And the transformation after having them all fitted new by NickW was a totally different car and dont regret the cost a few years ago now....just need a man with a welder now !!! :)
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #13 on: 02 September 2020, 10:36:13 »

And the transformation after having them all fitted new by NickW was a totally different car and dont regret the cost a few years ago now....just need a man with a welder now !!! :)


I'd forgotten about that.


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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #14 on: 02 September 2020, 14:51:11 »

 :y.Did drop you a PM a while back
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #15 on: 03 September 2020, 19:41:05 »

nothing received ?
have you got a strut ?
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #16 on: 03 September 2020, 20:37:47 »

nothing received ?
have you got a strut ?
thanks


I think he meant me......
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #17 on: 03 September 2020, 20:40:37 »

sorry nick. just read the pm bit !
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #18 on: 05 September 2020, 07:45:10 »

theres a 2.5 diesel strut on ebay and the info says its for petrol 2.5 as well so i assume its the same spec .can anyone confirm this as its the only one i can find so far. messaged omegas52 and some others on ebay but no replyies yet .thanks
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #19 on: 05 September 2020, 10:12:05 »

theres a 2.5 diesel strut on ebay and the info says its for petrol 2.5 as well so i assume its the same spec .can anyone confirm this as its the only one i can find so far. messaged omegas52 and some others on ebay but no replyies yet .thanks


I would expect a stiffer spring to hold up the heavier diesel engine
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #20 on: 05 September 2020, 10:15:53 »

You can assume what you like, but fitting it to a petrol V6 would be dangerously stupid as it would completely unbalance the front end.

Basically, for any given application, front springs are, in ascending weights, as follows : all 2.0/2.2 16v petrol springs are the same; all V6 and 2.2 diesels are the same; all 2.5 diesels are the same.

Rear springs are, again for any given application as follows, saloon all the same; estate all the same.

Springs will vary in number of coils/ride height/ suspension type, but will nevertheless carry the same weight for any given application.

Spring weight should be half the axle load, from the chassis plate, and the same side to side. From memory, four cylinder petrols are 990kg front, v6 and 2.2 are 1080kg front and 2.5 diesels are 1130kg.
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #21 on: 05 September 2020, 20:10:06 »

theres a 2.5 diesel strut on ebay and the info says its for petrol 2.5 as well so i assume its the same spec .can anyone confirm this as its the only one i can find so far. messaged omegas52 and some others on ebay but no replyies yet .thanks

You can assume what you like, but fitting it to a petrol V6 would be dangerously stupid as it would completely unbalance the front end.

Basically, for any given application, front springs are, in ascending weights, as follows : all 2.0/2.2 16v petrol springs are the same; all V6 and 2.2 diesels are the same; all 2.5 diesels are the same.


Actually, according to the EPC, the same front springs are fitted to a 2.5TD as to the 2.5 petrol model.
It also lists the same spring for 2.5 /3.0 petrol models (although different part nos from the above :o).
So make from that what you will .... ::)
The front springs for the different models is an absolute minefield, but personally, I think you would be ok for the short term in fitting (if you can find a matched pair of them) a set of struts from a 2.5 TD to a 2.5 2.6 or 3.0 petrol until you can rebuild your existing ones.
But then there is no guarantee that a previous owner hasnt mixed and matched in the past, although the likelihood of having replaced front springs is a lot less than the rear springs.
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #22 on: 06 September 2020, 17:41:40 »

Hi . Was actually goin to pm you yourself in case you hadn't seen this wanted ad. I beleive you sometimes break omegas or have I read wrong somewhere.
The strut is needed because my brothers had 1 faulty unit( the spring seat was rubbing on the tyre )so I put one of mine on his to get him going short term. Now I just need one to put back on mine or back on his ,either way.
Yes I saw the unit being mentioned as suitable as for a diesel 2.5 or petrol 2.5 too but was then told otherwise so have found out now that a 2.2 dying one is the same also.
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #23 on: 06 September 2020, 17:43:04 »

That should have read.   Diesel. !
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #24 on: 06 September 2020, 19:15:53 »

Spring seat rubbing on the tyre isn't a strut problem. That's either wrong size tyres, wrong wheel offset, incorrect geometry settings, or all the above ;)
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #25 on: 06 September 2020, 19:47:04 »

Spring seat rubbing on the tyre isn't a strut problem. That's either wrong size tyres, wrong wheel offset, incorrect geometry settings, or all the above ;)


A bent strut might do it, but there would be (lots of) other damage. Loose strut to hub-carrier bolts are by far the most likely cause
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #26 on: 06 September 2020, 21:52:48 »

Yes I saw the unit being mentioned as suitable as for a diesel 2.5 or petrol 2.5 too but was then told otherwise so have found out now that a 2.2 dying one is the same also.

Just to throw a further spanner into the proverbial works, according to EPC, the 2.2 D front springs are a different part no from the 2.5 TD and 2.5 Petrol, but the same part no as the 2.5 and 3.0 Petrol. Work that one out.....!!
Must be chassis no changes, but I can only see the difference being negliable, but still should be a matched pair.
I bet you wish you had kept your own strut now...... ;D
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #27 on: 07 September 2020, 09:51:35 »

il find one and if necc just put a pair of new ones on.mines on sorn for now anyway so no big panic.
definately the strut seat faulty.it has become weak with rust and gone level to the strut rather than the upward tilt it should have.other one and mine all fine with approx 1" of clearance ..
standard wheel and tyre,camber 1.1 deg.
would have put 2 new on his but needs car everyday to get to work hence the panic swap job !
theres a 2.2 diesel strut and a 2.5 diesel strut on ebay so unless anyone has one on here il prob go for that for now.
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Re: complete front v6 o/s strut
« Reply #28 on: 18 September 2020, 12:42:18 »

please close thread.
strut found now on ebay.thanks
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