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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 June 2020, 22:28:28
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Is it still the case that if you take your driving test in a car with an automatic gearbox, you can't drive a manual? ???
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Yup.
And if you take a Car and trailer test in an auto, you can only tow using an auto, even if you hold a manual licence.
For the bigger stuff, you can take the test in either manual or auto bearing in mind that manual trucks and buses are rare, if you only hold an auto you can only drive an auto truck/bus but if you have a manual car licence, you can drive either regardless of what you passed your C/D test in.
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Yup.
And if you take a Car and trailer test in an auto, you can only tow using an auto, even if you hold a manual licence.
For the bigger stuff, you can take the test in either manual or auto bearing in mind that manual trucks and buses are rare, if you only hold an auto you can only drive an auto truck/bus but if you have a manual car licence, you can drive either regardless of what you passed your C/D test in.
I never knew you had to take a test to tow a trailer. :-[
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Yup.
And if you take a Car and trailer test in an auto, you can only tow using an auto, even if you hold a manual licence.
For the bigger stuff, you can take the test in either manual or auto bearing in mind that manual trucks and buses are rare, if you only hold an auto you can only drive an auto truck/bus but if you have a manual car licence, you can drive either regardless of what you passed your C/D test in.
I never knew you had to take a test to tow a trailer. :-[
Only millennials. Old duffers like us don't :)
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Yup.
And if you take a Car and trailer test in an auto, you can only tow using an auto, even if you hold a manual licence.
For the bigger stuff, you can take the test in either manual or auto bearing in mind that manual trucks and buses are rare, if you only hold an auto you can only drive an auto truck/bus but if you have a manual car licence, you can drive either regardless of what you passed your C/D test in.
I never knew you had to take a test to tow a trailer. :-[
there was an overdue change to licensing in 1998, which removed many of the categories that were included in passing a car test. Those included >3.5tonne, trailers, motor bike provisional and a number of industrial machinery classes.
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Yup.
And if you take a Car and trailer test in an auto, you can only tow using an auto, even if you hold a manual licence. ....
I find this bit bizarre. IMHO the 'trailer test' is testing you on manoeuvring & connecting the trailer, not testing your ability to control the vehicle.
The whole thing is ill thought out and ends up with people towing weight for weight cos they don't want to exceed the magic 3500kg gross train weight when they'd have been safer towing their trailer/glider/boat/etc with a a big 4x4 rather than a mid-sized Eurobox.
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Yup.
And if you take a Car and trailer test in an auto, you can only tow using an auto, even if you hold a manual licence.
For the bigger stuff, you can take the test in either manual or auto bearing in mind that manual trucks and buses are rare, if you only hold an auto you can only drive an auto truck/bus but if you have a manual car licence, you can drive either regardless of what you passed your C/D test in.
I never knew you had to take a test to tow a trailer. :-[
Only millennials. Old duffers like us don't :)
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Us old duffers are better drivers all round anyway 😀😃😄
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Despite being affected by having to take the trailer test (still on my to do list), I completely agree with it. The idea of taking your test in fiesta and then being immediately allowed to tow a 7t combination of land cruiser and trailer always struck me as bonkers.
Given the level of performance on offer from 'normal' cars these days (golf R, m140i, focus st etc) I'd be in favour of a staged car licence, similar to the motorcycle 'big bike' test.
Not that I think it's likely to happen.
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Yes, us old duffers have 'grandfather' rights for towing and a couple of other categories although CPC required in some cases
Stepdaughter is in the process of obtaining a C1 entitlement as part of her apprenticeship with the Ambulance Service as Ambulances fall into that category due to weight, She can drive a Patient Transport vehicle (basically a minibus with a ramp) though which, while not the weight of an Ambulance, can carry far more people...
The licence changes in 1997 were needed and long overdue.
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Despite being affected by having to take the trailer test (still on my to do list), I completely agree with it. The idea of taking your test in fiesta and then being immediately allowed to tow a 7t combination of land cruiser and trailer always struck me as bonkers. ....
but it's OK/sensible to tow a 1750kg trailer with a 1750kg tow car ...... :-\
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Despite being affected by having to take the trailer test (still on my to do list), I completely agree with it. The idea of taking your test in fiesta and then being immediately allowed to tow a 7t combination of land cruiser and trailer always struck me as bonkers. ....
but it's OK/sensible to tow a 1750kg trailer with a 1750kg tow car ...... :-\
Tail wagging the dog methinks.
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Yup.
And if you take a Car and trailer test in an auto, you can only tow using an auto, even if you hold a manual licence. ....
I find this bit bizarre. IMHO the 'trailer test' is testing you on manoeuvring & connecting the trailer, not testing your ability to control the vehicle.
The whole thing is ill thought out and ends up with people towing weight for weight cos they don't want to exceed the magic 3500kg gross train weight when they'd have been safer towing their trailer/glider/boat/etc with a a big 4x4 rather than a mid-sized Eurobox.
Trailer test includes a road test ;)
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Despite being affected by having to take the trailer test (still on my to do list), I completely agree with it. The idea of taking your test in fiesta and then being immediately allowed to tow a 7t combination of land cruiser and trailer always struck me as bonkers. ....
but it's OK/sensible to tow a 1750kg trailer with a 1750kg tow car ...... :-\
As a newly qualified driver, no, I don't think it is, hence my next point about tiered car licences. I think the pre-97 rules were completely bonkers, I think the system we have now is better but doesn't go far enough.
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The 3.5t/8 passenger seat cut off is pretty sensible as it allows larger families to have appropriate vehicles for their needs ie a 9 seat VW transporter is over 3t loaded.
Loaded, most 7 seat MPVs are knocking around 2.5t :o
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Yup.
And if you take a Car and trailer test in an auto, you can only tow using an auto, even if you hold a manual licence. ....
I find this bit bizarre. IMHO the 'trailer test' is testing you on manoeuvring & connecting the trailer, not testing your ability to control the vehicle.
The whole thing is ill thought out and ends up with people towing weight for weight cos they don't want to exceed the magic 3500kg gross train weight when they'd have been safer towing their trailer/glider/boat/etc with a a big 4x4 rather than a mid-sized Eurobox.
Trailer test includes a road test ;)
I know .... I'd considered that a road test would also include manoeuvring the outfit ... :-*
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Despite being affected by having to take the trailer test (still on my to do list), I completely agree with it. The idea of taking your test in fiesta and then being immediately allowed to tow a 7t combination of land cruiser and trailer always struck me as bonkers. ....
but it's OK/sensible to tow a 1750kg trailer with a 1750kg tow car ...... :-\
As a newly qualified driver, no, I don't think it is, hence my next point about tiered car licences. I think the pre-97 rules were completely bonkers, I think the system we have now is better but doesn't go far enough.
but as a new driver the law would allow you to do so, as long as you were with gross train weights for the car. You would be far safer though, towing the same 1750kg trailer with my 2200kg 4x4 but that would be illegal
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Loaded, most 7 seat MPVs are knocking around 2.5t :o
Agreed. My Dad has a Chrysler Grand Voyager. Just looked up the 'kerb weight' and that is min of 2200kg .... most passengers tend to be lying down in the back though ::)
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Okay, I own a Y reg 3.2 MV6 saloon. And in the shed I have a tow bar, which I've never fitted. I passed my manual in 1984.
How heavy a caravan can I tow ?
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Up to whatever the towing limit of the omega is (1800kg for the auto I think) I would say. However that would be more than the weight of the omega, which many people will tell you is unwise.
Shed dragging forums will often tell you that the limit for towing is 85% of kerb weight, known as the 85% rule. But this is just a guideline someone in the caravan club dreamt up and has no basis in law (despite what many posters in such forums seem to think).
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Okay, I own a Y reg 3.2 MV6 saloon. And in the shed I have a tow bar, which I've never fitted. I passed my manual in 1984.
How heavy a caravan can I tow ?
What Jim ^^ says. Take the cars gross weight from the gross train weight, that gives the max weight of the caravan you can tow ie Maximum Technically Permitted Laden Mass (MTPLM),
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Advised towing weights can be easily found in the owners handbook.
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Advised towing weights can be easily found in the owners handbook.
but who reads that? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Advised towing weights can be easily found in the owners handbook.
but who reads that? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Oops I forgot commonsense no longer exists 😄😃😀
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Yup.
And if you take a Car and trailer test in an auto, you can only tow using an auto, even if you hold a manual licence. ....
I find this bit bizarre. IMHO the 'trailer test' is testing you on manoeuvring & connecting the trailer, not testing your ability to control the vehicle.
The whole thing is ill thought out and ends up with people towing weight for weight cos they don't want to exceed the magic 3500kg gross train weight when they'd have been safer towing their trailer/glider/boat/etc with a a big 4x4 rather than a mid-sized Eurobox.
Trailer test includes a road test ;)
I know .... I'd considered that a road test would also include manoeuvring the outfit ... :-*
Manoeuvre part is the same as the HGV one. Then you go on the road test. ;)
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Do you have to back up and hitch up the trailer? I always thought that getting that inch perfect without either a backup camera or a spotter would take me a fair amount of practice to do repeatably.
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Advised towing weights can be easily found in the owners handbook.
but who reads that? ;D ;D ;D ;D
If it goes against your "manliness" to actually "RTFI"... then you could always try the VIN plate .. drivers door pillar or engine bay.. both give all the information you need to be legal ....
:)
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Do you have to back up and hitch up the trailer? I always thought that getting that inch perfect without either a backup camera or a spotter would take me a fair amount of practice to do repeatably.
Yup, although the test rules make no mention of a camera. Or not :D
To save repeating etc, here's the breakdown of the trailer test...
https://www.gov.uk/car-trailer-driving-test/what-happens-during-test
Related pages include test vehicle and trailer requirements. Most should be reassured about the detail of the test :y
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When I bring our twin axle caravan home my neighbour is always amazed when I reverse it straight into our driveway it's easy once you know how ,but you see some folk panic as soon as the outfit is put into reverse gear, my advice is do a course if you can got my training in the forces cost me nothing, but for around £80 the caravan & camping club provide excellent tuition my best mate is one of the instructors.
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Advised towing weights can be easily found in the owners handbook.
but who reads that? ;D ;D ;D ;D
If it goes against your "manliness" to actually "RTFI"... then you could always try the VIN plate .. drivers door pillar or engine bay.. both give all the information you need to be legal ....
:)
Don't you mean R T F M? ::)
I already knew where to find the info .... the VIN isn't the plate with the weights on ;)
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When I bring our twin axle caravan home my neighbour is always amazed when I reverse it straight into our driveway .....
but a twin axle is easier .... they don't turn as fast as a single axle & need to be made to turn :y :y
(Mine's a twin axle too ;))
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Advised towing weights can be easily found in the owners handbook.
but who reads that? ;D ;D ;D ;D
If it goes against your "manliness" to actually "RTFI"... then you could always try the VIN plate .. drivers door pillar or engine bay.. both give all the information you need to be legal ....
:)
Don't you mean R T F M? ::)
I already knew where to find the info .... the VIN isn't the plate with the weights on ;)
M= Manual
I= Instructions
Both mean the same IMHO ... :)
VIN plate lists 4 weights.
Gross vehicle weight = max weight of the vehicle, sometimes called the MAM .. maximum allowable mass
Gross train weight = max combined weight of both vehicle and trailer
max front axle weight
max rear axle weight
If you subtract line 1 from line 2 it gives you the maximum weight of any trailer you wish to tow ....
seeemples ... :)
If you don't believe me and want further "evidence" ..... https://www.towbarexpress.co.uk/maximum-towing-weight/
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"The actual, exact and only towing capacity figure that should be used for your vehicle is that which is stamped on the Vehicle Identification Number Plate, VIN Plate."
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Fixed draw bar twin/triple axles are a piece of piss to reverse...
The worst is either a fixed draw bar short single axle ( like these (https://www.erde.co.uk/product/erde-102-2-classic-box-trailer/)), or my personal nemesis, an articulated ten metre self steering single axle (like these (https://overaasen.no/521)) :D
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I'll play the other side of the coin here......
I am unlucky enough to have missed the deadline of Jan 1997. I do not have 'Grandfather' rights on my license.
Why should somebody older than me be permitted to drive a minibus with more than 7 passengers (7+1driver)?
Why should somebody older than me be permitted to drive a 7.5tonner?
(Both of those questions with the addition of "Without extra tuition")
I can hire a SLWB Sprinter or Daily, or a Luton Van. I can drive a Tipper or Flatbed. Size isn't really the issue, as EVERY vehicle mentioned is available in over 3.5T.
A minibus with 8 Seats (total) and a large luggage area is identical to a minibus with 15 Seats and a small luggage area.
Devils Advocate! The DVLA should have revoked all of the extra classes on every license (where a suitable test hadn't already been completed).
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Advised towing weights can be easily found in the owners handbook.
but who reads that? ;D ;D ;D ;D
If it goes against your "manliness" to actually "RTFI"... then you could always try the VIN plate .. drivers door pillar or engine bay.. both give all the information you need to be legal ....
:)
Don't you mean R T F M? ::)
I already knew where to find the info .... the VIN isn't the plate with the weights on ;)
M= Manual
I= Instructions
Both mean the same IMHO ... :)
VIN plate lists 4 weights.
Gross vehicle weight = max weight of the vehicle, sometimes called the MAM .. maximum allowable mass
Gross train weight = max combined weight of both vehicle and trailer
max front axle weight
max rear axle weight
If you subtract line 1 from line 2 it gives you the maximum weight of any trailer you wish to tow ....
seeemples ... :)
If you don't believe me and want further "evidence" ..... https://www.towbarexpress.co.uk/maximum-towing-weight/
line 3 ...
"The actual, exact and only towing capacity figure that should be used for your vehicle is that which is stamped on the Vehicle Identification Number Plate, VIN Plate."
Nige .... you're quoting the numbers I've already quoted above.
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I'll play the other side of the coin here......
I am unlucky enough to have missed the deadline of Jan 1997. I do not have 'Grandfather' rights on my license.
Why should somebody older than me be permitted to drive a minibus with more than 8 passengers (8+1driver)?
Why should somebody older than me be permitted to drive a 7.5tonner?
(Both of those questions with the addition of "Without extra tuition")
I can hire a SLWB Sprinter or Daily, or a Luton Van. I can drive a Tipper or Flatbed. Size isn't really the issue, as EVERY vehicle mentioned is available in over 3.5T, although not without an operators licence :-X
A minibus with 9 Seats (total) and a large luggage area is identical to a minibus with 15 Seats and zero luggage area.
Devils Advocate! The DVLA should have revoked all of the extra classes on every license (where a suitable test hadn't already been completed).
Corrected. They had to draw the line somewhere, and the date the legislation was passed is as good a date as any... :D
I should add, that inspite of being able to drive C1/D1 on my car licence, I made a point of doing C and C+E. Also have a provisional D licence and may scratch that itch one day, although I have no particular need to deal with noisy freight, so the C+E and DCPC covers most eventualities and I have D1 if needed 8)
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I'll play the other side of the coin here......
I am unlucky enough to have missed the deadline of Jan 1997. I do not have 'Grandfather' rights on my license.
Why should somebody older than me be permitted to drive a minibus with more than 7 passengers (7+1driver)?
Why should somebody older than me be permitted to drive a 7.5tonner?
(Both of those questions with the addition of "Without extra tuition")
I can hire a SLWB Sprinter or Daily, or a Luton Van. I can drive a Tipper or Flatbed. Size isn't really the issue, as EVERY vehicle mentioned is available in over 3.5T.
A minibus with 8 Seats (total) and a large luggage area is identical to a minibus with 15 Seats and a small luggage area.
Devils Advocate! The DVLA should have revoked all of the extra classes on every license (where a suitable test hadn't already been completed).
Life's sh1t sometimes ..... ::) ::)
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;D
There's that...
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No idea what flavour of trailer it is, but it has a fixed axle towards the back & a swivel axle towards the front ..... but 40+ years ago I used to be a dab hand at reversing one behind a tractor! ;D
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I'll play the other side of the coin here......
I am unlucky enough to have missed the deadline of Jan 1997. I do not have 'Grandfather' rights on my license.
Why should somebody older than me be permitted to drive a minibus with more than 7 passengers (7+1driver)?
Why should somebody older than me be permitted to drive a 7.5tonner?
(Both of those questions with the addition of "Without extra tuition")
I can hire a SLWB Sprinter or Daily, or a Luton Van. I can drive a Tipper or Flatbed. Size isn't really the issue, as EVERY vehicle mentioned is available in over 3.5T.
A minibus with 8 Seats (total) and a large luggage area is identical to a minibus with 15 Seats and a small luggage area.
Devils Advocate! The DVLA should have revoked all of the extra classes on every license (where a suitable test hadn't already been completed).
I'm guessing but there is probably some legal reason based on when tests were introduced/changed, that prevents retrospective actions ...... my late aunt who , IMHO, should never, ever, have driven anything ... never passed any test, but had a licence to do most anything .. she started (note I don't say "learned") during the war (and may have been competent .. who knows ?) and had licences for everything up to and including artics and tracked vehicles ... but she was lethal !!... when her husband died we found she had not driven for 35 years .. but had religiously renewed the licence every year ... so was totally legal and lethal .... lukily I had, under my uncles directions, sold their car !!! or she would have tried to drive it ....... :(
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No idea what flavour of trailer it is, but it has a fixed axle towards the back & a swivel axle towards the front ..... but 40+ years ago I used to be a dab hand at reversing one behind a tractor! ;D
Articulated drawbar ;)
Harder to reverse due to the double pivot, but tow nicely and much more forgiving to load :y
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No idea what flavour of trailer it is, but it has a fixed axle towards the back & a swivel axle towards the front ..... but 40+ years ago I used to be a dab hand at reversing one behind a tractor! ;D
Articulated drawbar ;)
Harder to reverse due to the double pivot, but tow nicely and much more forgiving to load :y
Made a little easier though when you're sat up higher in the tractor seat & can see what's happening! :y :y
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Fixed draw bar twin/triple axles are a piece of piss to reverse...
The worst is either a fixed draw bar short single axle ( like these (https://www.erde.co.uk/product/erde-102-2-classic-box-trailer/)), or my personal nemesis, an articulated ten metre self steering single axle (like these (https://overaasen.no/521)) :D
I have no issue with controlling them once they're hooked up, I grew up on a farm so learned to drive most things with wheels, including learning to reverse nonsense trailers like this one that articulate in two places. (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/flat-trailer-/233428660987?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292).
However, I've always either been able to see the three point linkage by turning around, or, when hooking up to a car, dragging the trailer the last 6" to hook up. Pure laziness when you get right down to it.
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Probably helps that tractors tend to be relatively short and pretty manoeuvrable. Even that long ago :D
Also often overlooked that you can always pull forward to correct any kinks ;)
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Articulated drawbar ;)
Ahh, not a nonsense trailer then, or any of the other things I used to call it when trying to learn how it (mis)behaved.
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Articulated drawbar ;)
Ahh, not a nonsense trailer then, or any of the other things I used to call it when trying to learn how it (mis)behaved.
Your linky is more of a cobbled together assembly of a drawbar dolly (probably once a perfectly good truck in its own right, hence the slightly odd relative position of the various bits) and a single axle fifth wheel/articulated trailer ;)
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Reversing a trailer is very much a life skill, and there's some satisfaction from getting it right :y
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Reversing a trailer is very much a life skill, and there's some satisfaction from getting it right :y
:y especially the baby garden trailer you linked to earlier ;D ;D
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Reversing a trailer is very much a life skill, and there's some satisfaction from getting it right :y
:y especially the baby garden trailer you linked to earlier ;D ;D
Indeedy... I can, but they're a pita, so I try not to... ;D that said, I find it easier to get on and do than trying to explain to someone else... in an 'Offs, let me do it' kind of way ::)
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Articulated drawbar ;)
Ahh, not a nonsense trailer then, or any of the other things I used to call it when trying to learn how it (mis)behaved.
Your linky is more of a cobbled together assembly of a drawbar dolly (probably once a perfectly good truck in its own right, hence the slightly odd relative position of the various bits) and a single axle fifth wheel/articulated trailer ;)
Yes, exactly like the stuff I used to play with in fact, only ours had slightly more rust ;D
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;D
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When I bring our twin axle caravan home my neighbour is always amazed when I reverse it straight into our driveway .....
but a twin axle is easier .... they don't turn as fast as a single axle & need to be made to turn :y :y
(Mine's a twin axle too ;))
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Single or twin axle makes no odds to me had both all easy to reverse if you know what you're doing , some folk should definitely not be towing at all when you observe them trying to complete the simplest of manouvres, that's why some sort of training should be undertaken.
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Advised towing weights can be easily found in the owners handbook.
but who reads that? ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm in my PJs. The car is parked down the road, the manual is somewhere in the car, I thought someone might know what an omega could tow, on an omega forum, off by heart.
I have a contract in Barrow in Furness starting at the end if the year. Just looking at my accomodation options.
One of which is a tin house on a site with a seasonal rate.
Obviously start date is going into winter, so might be better to get a winter price on a holiday cottage, until Spring.
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Advised towing weights can be easily found in the owners handbook.
but who reads that? ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm in my PJs. The car is parked down the road, the manual is somewhere in the car, I thought someone might know what an omega could tow, on an omega forum, off by heart.
I have a contract in Barrow in Furness starting at the end if the year. Just looking at my accomodation options.
One of which is a tin house on a site with a seasonal rate.
Obviously start date is going into winter, so might be better to get a winter price on a holiday cottage, until Spring.
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Never rely on other people , look for yourself then it's there in black & white ( hope I can say that ) also important if you do decide to get a caravan ensure that it has been serviced regularly and that you run the tyres at the correct pressures & ideally the tyres should be no more than 5 years old
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I enjoyed the reversing part of caravanning the most, much more fun than going forwards as you get a chance to show off. ;D
A few years back I was pulling up the long drive of a touring park with our van on the back when I was met by a Mitsubishi Shogun coming towards me with a large twin axle on the back. There wasn't enough room to pass so the guy started getting out of his Shogun and said he would guide me back. My wife got out just to check no kids had stepped out behind us, told the guy that we'd be fine, and I reversed a fair way back down the drive and swung the van in to a small side road. As the guy came past and thanked me I asked what had made him assume that I was the one reversing, and he replied that he was hopeless at it so it had to be me going back. ;D
I was quite shocked at the amount of people that can't seem to master it. :-\
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Advised towing weights can be easily found in the owners handbook.
but who reads that? ;D ;D ;D ;D
If it goes against your "manliness" to actually "RTFI"... then you could always try the VIN plate .. drivers door pillar or engine bay.. both give all the information you need to be legal ....
:)
Don't you mean R T F M? ::)
I already knew where to find the info .... the VIN isn't the plate with the weights on ;)
M= Manual
I= Instructions
Both mean the same IMHO ... :)
VIN plate lists 4 weights.
Gross vehicle weight = max weight of the vehicle, sometimes called the MAM .. maximum allowable mass
Gross train weight = max combined weight of both vehicle and trailer
max front axle weight
max rear axle weight
If you subtract line 1 from line 2 it gives you the maximum weight of any trailer you wish to tow ....
seeemples ... :)
If you don't believe me and want further "evidence" ..... https://www.towbarexpress.co.uk/maximum-towing-weight/
line 3 ...
"The actual, exact and only towing capacity figure that should be used for your vehicle is that which is stamped on the Vehicle Identification Number Plate, VIN Plate."
Nige .... you're quoting the numbers I've already quoted above.
Now I'm going to put this here to get you thinking, a common thread on other forums, is about driving with a trailer, also remember some of these posters are meant to know the law,. I know who I would believe...Me thinks DG will enjoy it.
http://www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=165548
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Advised towing weights can be easily found in the owners handbook.
but who reads that? ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm in my PJs. The car is parked down the road, the manual is somewhere in the car, I thought someone might know what an omega could tow, on an omega forum, off by heart.
I have a contract in Barrow in Furness starting at the end if the year. Just looking at my accomodation options.
One of which is a tin house on a site with a seasonal rate.
Obviously start date is going into winter, so might be better to get a winter price on a holiday cottage, until Spring.
Down load the free manual from the FAQ section. It'll give you something to read ;)
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Reversing a trailer is very much a life skill, and there's some satisfaction from getting it right :y
Nah it's a job to get paid for, :). But get it wrong at work and the looks horror and head shaking.. :o
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Advised towing weights can be easily found in the owners handbook.
but who reads that? ;D ;D ;D ;D
If it goes against your "manliness" to actually "RTFI"... then you could always try the VIN plate .. drivers door pillar or engine bay.. both give all the information you need to be legal ....
:)
Don't you mean R T F M? ::)
I already knew where to find the info .... the VIN isn't the plate with the weights on ;)
M= Manual
I= Instructions
Both mean the same IMHO ... :)
VIN plate lists 4 weights.
Gross vehicle weight = max weight of the vehicle, sometimes called the MAM .. maximum allowable mass
Gross train weight = max combined weight of both vehicle and trailer
max front axle weight
max rear axle weight
If you subtract line 1 from line 2 it gives you the maximum weight of any trailer you wish to tow ....
seeemples ... :)
If you don't believe me and want further "evidence" ..... https://www.towbarexpress.co.uk/maximum-towing-weight/
line 3 ...
"The actual, exact and only towing capacity figure that should be used for your vehicle is that which is stamped on the Vehicle Identification Number Plate, VIN Plate."
Nige .... you're quoting the numbers I've already quoted above.
Now I'm going to put this here to get you thinking, a common thread on other forums, is about driving with a trailer, also remember some of these posters are meant to know the law,. I know who I would believe...Me thinks DG will enjoy it.
http://www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=165548
Blimey ;D
There's so much wrong with the first paragraph, let alone the rest...
Better off doing it properly from the get go, especially if going over the channel.
Regardless of whether a tacho is required or not, the in scope commercial journeys need to show compliance with driving hours and the WTD. A tacho is the easiest way to do that.
And it looks like Connor should definitely stick to driving ;D
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Reversing a trailer is very much a life skill, and there's some satisfaction from getting it right :y
Nah it's a job to get paid for, :) . But get it wrong at work and the looks horror and head shaking.. :o
The shame, don't forget the shame :D
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Some "drivers" can't even parallel park let alone cope with a trailer I've actually asked a couple of elderly ladies in the past if they'd like me to park their car for them as they were making a total balls up of it, and they were really grateful & admitted they only liked driving forwards ..😀
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Reversing a trailer is very much a life skill, and there's some satisfaction from getting it right :y
Nah it's a job to get paid for, :). But get it wrong at work and the looks horror and head shaking.. :o
Yes... ;D
There's a lot of willy waving amongst lorryists! ::) I used to work out of a very tight yard in Bristol and there would be much tutting and shaking of heads if you didn't back on to the bay in one go. ;D
'Don't be a Tuesday*, take a shunt!' so the saying goes.' ::)
*Obviously not Tuesday, but rude word for vagina beginning with C. You get my drift. ;)
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Some "drivers" can't even parallel park let alone cope with a trailer .....
Like this? ::) ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf4TIWECZ30&list=TLPQMjgwNjIwMjABYNRXUdnFiw&index=1
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Having taken my test in a wagon and drag, (think of it as a ten meter long car towing an eight meter long caravan), the first time I drove a proper artic was a three hour lesson.
The second time was at an interview. Backing onto a bay was the bit that let me down :-[
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I know when I was in the Ambulance Service the instructions were if reversing always get someone to see you back, it very rarely happened because of the piss taking..😀
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Some "drivers" can't even parallel park let alone cope with a trailer .....
Like this? ::) ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf4TIWECZ30&list=TLPQMjgwNjIwMjABYNRXUdnFiw&index=1
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Yes that's so painful to watch, is parallel parking part of the driving test now ? If it isn't it certainly should be.
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It was when I passed my test in '95. Whether it still is or not :-\
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Having taken my test in a wagon and drag, (think of it as a ten meter long car towing an eight meter long caravan), the first time I drove a proper artic was a three hour lesson.
The second time was at an interview. Backing onto a bay was the bit that let me down :-[
Ar the new fangled test.. I did a quick jolly around Cambridge city centre, and a reverse on Waterbeach airfield.. and it was called a Class1 then, and my provisional was a book,... Upon passing it changed to the all in one paper type..
I can parallel park a55ft artic easier than a car :o
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It takes me a couple of goes to get in the rhythm of it, but once you've got your brain working right, it's second nature :y
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is parallel parking part of the driving test now ? If it isn't it certainly should be.
Too long ago for me to remember but I remember the car I used for lessons & the test had bits of tape in the rear side windows (2 door Escort MK1 .... yes! That long ago!) that were intended to be used as an aid.
My ML will parallel park itself! ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm0NeO7awkA :y
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Having taken my test in a wagon and drag, (think of it as a ten meter long car towing an eight meter long caravan), the first time I drove a proper artic was a three hour lesson.
The second time was at an interview. Backing onto a bay was the bit that let me down :-[
Same here, with careful marks on the both boxes to align up to help with the reversing. ;)
The first artic I then drove was the next day for a well known DIY store on a night shift trunk from Bristol to Grantham and back, and I learnt that reversing an artic is nothing like reversing a wagon and drag. :o ;D
I think there was much shaking of heads and rude mutters about agency drivers. :-X ::) ;D
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Having taken my test in a wagon and drag, (think of it as a ten meter long car towing an eight meter long caravan), the first time I drove a proper artic was a three hour lesson.
The second time was at an interview. Backing onto a bay was the bit that let me down :-[
Same here, with careful marks on the both boxes to align up to help with the reversing. ;)
The first artic I then drove was the next day for a well known DIY store on a night shift trunk from Bristol to Grantham and back, and I learnt that reversing an artic is nothing like reversing a wagon and drag. :o ;D
I think there was much shaking of heads and rude mutters about agency drivers. :-X ::) ;D
That means Tigger took his test 98 onwards,.. Not a proper artic driver, by default.
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is parallel parking part of the driving test now ? If it isn't it certainly should be.
Too long ago for me to remember but I remember the car I used for lessons & the test had bits of tape in the rear side windows (2 door Escort MK1 .... yes! That long ago!) that were intended to be used as an aid.
My ML will parallel park itself! ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm0NeO7awkA :y
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Me too Ford Escort MK1 2 door..
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Having taken my test in a wagon and drag, (think of it as a ten meter long car towing an eight meter long caravan), the first time I drove a proper artic was a three hour lesson.
The second time was at an interview. Backing onto a bay was the bit that let me down :-[
Same here, with careful marks on the both boxes to align up to help with the reversing. ;)
The first artic I then drove was the next day for a well known DIY store on a night shift trunk from Bristol to Grantham and back, and I learnt that reversing an artic is nothing like reversing a wagon and drag. :o ;D
I think there was much shaking of heads and rude mutters about agency drivers. :-X ::) ;D
That means Tigger took his test 98 onwards,.. Not a proper artic driver, by default.
2001 :)
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Having taken my test in a wagon and drag, (think of it as a ten meter long car towing an eight meter long caravan), the first time I drove a proper artic was a three hour lesson.
The second time was at an interview. Backing onto a bay was the bit that let me down :-[
Same here, with careful marks on the both boxes to align up to help with the reversing. ;)
The first artic I then drove was the next day for a well known DIY store on a night shift trunk from Bristol to Grantham and back, and I learnt that reversing an artic is nothing like reversing a wagon and drag. :o ;D
I think there was much shaking of heads and rude mutters about agency drivers. :-X ::) ;D
That means Tigger took his test 98 onwards,.. Not a proper artic driver, by default.
2001 :)
That makes me a late developer at 2012 :D
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is parallel parking part of the driving test now ? If it isn't it certainly should be.
Too long ago for me to remember but I remember the car I used for lessons & the test had bits of tape in the rear side windows (2 door Escort MK1 .... yes! That long ago!) that were intended to be used as an aid.
My ML will parallel park itself! ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm0NeO7awkA :y
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Me too Ford Escort MK1 2 door..
:y :y
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is parallel parking part of the driving test now ? If it isn't it certainly should be.
Too long ago for me to remember but I remember the car I used for lessons & the test had bits of tape in the rear side windows (2 door Escort MK1 .... yes! That long ago!) that were intended to be used as an aid.
My ML will parallel park itself! ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm0NeO7awkA :y
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Me too Ford Escort MK1 2 door..
:y :y
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In 1971 😁
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In 1971 😁
A tad later for me ..... 1979
YTC144L ..... yet I can never remember the reg of the cars I own now! :-[
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Feb. 1978. HB Viva. BIJ 8142. :)
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1969 passed test in Austin A60 Cambridge GTB 660B (1964 reg)
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Test passed February 1969, Austin 1100, belonged to driving school, passed first time.. :)
Practiced in a 1952 Morris Minor, 918cc sidevalve engine, that was MINE ... purchased for £30.00 as a non runner, took me a week to sort it (with dad's help and tool box) and his reward for getting there was to insure it and sit with me whilst practising !! :) and been playing with cars ever since !!
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Feb. 1978. HB Viva. BIJ 8142. :)
Car was a 1970 model. Passed first time without taking any lessons. Dad just sat nervously beside me while I practised beforehand.
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Learned to drive in my Reliant convertable 8), on a motorbike licence. Passed in Dad,s Viva HA, Gearbox was virtually same as the Reliant, which was a great help
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Learned to drive in my Reliant convertable 8), on a motorbike licence. Passed in Dad,s Viva HA, Gearbox was virtually same as the Reliant, which was a great help
Turn a positive from a negative :y
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In 1971 😁
A tad later for me ..... 1979
YTC144L ..... yet I can never remember the reg of the cars I own now! :-[
Yes. It's strange. First car FUE 756K........anything later I can't remember. :-\
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First bike (moped) NRE 1L.......a Garelli. :y
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B581GWB (2.3 Granada LX) was my first car, passed my test in B626VCL (1.6 Sierra L), which was coincidentally my second car, albeit briefly.
I list all my registration numbers periodically as a memory test. The ones i struggle with remembering are the two Vectras I owned but never really drove ;)
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739TRL,,1963 Morris 1100 for me in 1976,wish I kept the old Cornish pre suffix plate off it :'(
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As we are now veering off topic[how unusual :D]first car was 1601 UB a '59 Consul and first bike KBM 89G a Honda CD175,had too many cars to remember them all.
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I passed my test in September 1986 in my Dad's British Racing Green .... wait for it...... drum roll..... Morris Marina Pickup! 8) ;D
My first car was a Renault 5 GTL OCA502V :y
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Anyone bothered to check if their first cars are still in existence?
Sadly G318 SNA (1.3L Ford escort - 3dr estate in various shades of red) was bean tins a few decades ago. :'(
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As we are now veering off topic[how unusual :D]first car was 1601 UB a '59 Consul and first bike KBM 89G a Honda CD175,had too many cars to remember them all.
That was my first bike too :y .... SEK 845N .... I've still got the receipt for it somewhere :-[
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I passed my test in September 1986 in my Dad's British Racing Green .... wait for it...... drum roll..... Morris Marina Pickup! 8) ;D
My first car was a Renault 5 GTL OCA502V :y
I'm sure you'd qualify for therapy on the NHS ..... ::) ::)
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Anyone bothered to check if their first cars are still in existence?
Sadly G318 SNA (1.3L Ford escort - 3dr estate in various shades of red) was bean tins a few decades ago. :'(
After passing my test in November 1970 in a BSM mini, I bought my first car; 1960 A40 reg. 1721 JW. The car was scrapped by me when I got my brand new red L reg, 1972, Ford Escort, but the registration now lives on fixed to a 2019 1318cc Honda!! ::) ::) ;D ;)
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Anyone bothered to check if their first cars are still in existence?
Sadly G318 SNA (1.3L Ford escort - 3dr estate in various shades of red) was bean tins a few decades ago. :'(
After passing my test in November 1970 in a BSM mini, I bought my first car; 1960 A40 reg. 1721 JW. The car was scrapped by me when I got my brand new red L reg, 1972, Ford Escort, but the registration now lives on fixed to a 2019 1318cc Honda!! ::) ::) ;D ;)
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What a coincidence Lizzie, my first car Austin A40 5016 VW then a Ford Escort 1100L brand new ! UYF 340M in Monza blue.
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First moped was a FS1e,, first car was a mini850 van, sliding windows,..
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Anyone bothered to check if their first cars are still in existence?
Sadly G318 SNA (1.3L Ford escort - 3dr estate in various shades of red) was bean tins a few decades ago. :'(
Mine was scrapped after being stolen/recovered and spending two months in an insurance compound, in winter with the windows down >:(
Nowadays, it would have been fixed before the assessor got a look in. Oppsy oppsers.
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Wouldn't think my old A40 exists anywhere now, the floor was pretty rotten so part of it was made up of a welded in Hillman imp bonnet ! 😃
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As we are now veering off topic[how unusual :D]first car was 1601 UB a '59 Consul and first bike KBM 89G a Honda CD175,had too many cars to remember them all.
That was my first bike too :y .... SEK 845N .... I've still got the receipt for it somewhere :-[
Well I owned a CB175 which had 2 carbs......so there...... :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
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I also owned a blue CB400/4 of 1977 vintage.......with 4 carbs. :P :P :P :P
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As we are now veering off topic[how unusual :D]first car was 1601 UB a '59 Consul and first bike KBM 89G a Honda CD175,had too many cars to remember them all.
That was my first bike too :y .... SEK 845N .... I've still got the receipt for it somewhere :-[
Well I owned a CB175 which had 2 carbs......so there...... :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Alright .... don't rub it in! :P :P ;)
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As we are now veering off topic[how unusual :D]first car was 1601 UB a '59 Consul and first bike KBM 89G a Honda CD175,had too many cars to remember them all.
That was my first bike too :y .... SEK 845N .... I've still got the receipt for it somewhere :-[
Well I owned a CB175 which had 2 carbs......so there...... :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Alright .... don't rub it in! :P :P ;)
........and it had a rev counter. :P :P :P ;D
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Can't remember if the CB 175 came with electric start. The antiquated CD175 certainly did not. :)
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I passed my test in 1956, in an A40 Somerset. Not a big car, it had pretensions of being a 6 seater, able to accommodate three in the front, so had a remote control gear change beneath the steering column and an umbrella handle style hand brake beneath the dashboard. Neither made driving any easier. On the test I drove using hand signals, even though the car had semaphore indicators.
In 1958 I took my motorcycle test on a Cotton 250cc Villiers twin, again using hand signals, no choice in those days. I was sent round and round a city block while the examiner wandered about, until suddenly he sprang from behind a parked car, hand raised, for the emergency stop test. I suppose it's much the same today.
The Highway Code in the 1950s had a section for drivers of horse drawn vehicles. I don't think they needed a licence to do so, but it described how they should signal, using the whip.
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The motorcycxle test stayed the same until some time in the 80,s or possibly early 90,s. Nowadays the examiner follows you around the test course on his bike, communicating via helmet intercom.
Nowhere near as easy as it used to be.
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The motorcycxle test stayed the same until some time in the 80,s or possibly early 90,s. Nowadays the examiner follows you around the test course on his bike, communicating via helmet intercom.
Nowhere near as easy as it used to be.
Passed my bike test in 77 on an RD 250.
None of this nancy boy restricted 125cc crap that came later.
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Couldn't afford the CB version.Paid £75 for my CD second hand from a bike shop in Sheffield.Can't recall that the CB had an electric start CD certainly didn't but you could "kick it up" by hand anyway so hardly needed one,whereas my second bike-a 1954 Aerial VB 600 side valve single- was a leg breaker if you got the kick starting wrong!
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The motorcycxle test stayed the same until some time in the 80,s or possibly early 90,s. Nowadays the examiner follows you around the test course on his bike, communicating via helmet intercom.
Nowhere near as easy as it used to be.
I think the bike test change was about 1985/86. I just missed it and had to do the 2 parter test and had to have a nancy boy restricted 125 cc crap as Lord Opti puts it. :(
My mate was a bit older than me and had a CB 250 when he was 17 and oh how he laughed at me with my Yamaha RXS100 when I turned 17. Bastard! >:( ;D
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The motorcycxle test stayed the same until some time in the 80,s or possibly early 90,s. Nowadays the examiner follows you around the test course on his bike, communicating via helmet intercom.
Nowhere near as easy as it used to be.
Remember once that an examiner got hospitalised when he leapt out in front of who he thought was his testee,.... only he wasn't. ;D. Other guy had same make helmet/clothing on. ::)
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The motorcycxle test stayed the same until some time in the 80,s or possibly early 90,s. Nowadays the examiner follows you around the test course on his bike, communicating via helmet intercom.
Nowhere near as easy as it used to be.
Passed my bike test in 77 on an RD 250.
None of this nancy boy restricted 125cc crap that came later.
I took (& passed) my bike test in Nov 80 on a mate's borrowed Z250. I had about a half hour before my test to get used it compared to Suzuki GT250 :)
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The motorcycxle test stayed the same until some time in the 80,s or possibly early 90,s. Nowadays the examiner follows you around the test course on his bike, communicating via helmet intercom.
Nowhere near as easy as it used to be.
Passed my bike test in 77 on an RD 250.
None of this nancy boy restricted 125cc crap that came later.
I took (& passed) my bike test in Nov 80 on a mate's borrowed Z250. I had about a half hour before my test to get used it compared to Suzuki GT250 :)
Four stroke twin if memory serves. The 'strokers' were more exciting a lot faster. Kawasaki KH 250 triple......Suzuki GT250.....Yamaha RD250.
A friend of mine had a bright yellow Honda CJ250T but my RD was much quicker and left him in a haze of 2 stroke smoke*
*before I holed a piston. :-X
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The motorcycxle test stayed the same until some time in the 80,s or possibly early 90,s. Nowadays the examiner follows you around the test course on his bike, communicating via helmet intercom.
Nowhere near as easy as it used to be.
Passed my bike test in 77 on an RD 250.
None of this nancy boy restricted 125cc crap that came later.
I took (& passed) my bike test in Nov 80 on a mate's borrowed Z250. I had about a half hour before my test to get used it compared to Suzuki GT250 :)
Four stroke twin if memory serves. The 'strokers' were more exciting a lot faster. Kawasaki KH 250 triple......Suzuki GT250.....Yamaha RD250.
A friend of mine had a bright yellow Honda CJ250T but my RD was much quicker and left him in a haze of 2 stroke smoke*
*before I holed a piston. :-X
Correct. And if you shut the throttle off & knock it down two gears on the approach to a roundabout like you could on a 2 stroke GT250 .... you almost go over the handle bars .... apparently ??? ??? ;D
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Or if the road was damp then the back wheel would lock up, which could be fun. :)
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The motorcycxle test stayed the same until some time in the 80,s or possibly early 90,s. Nowadays the examiner follows you around the test course on his bike, communicating via helmet intercom.
Nowhere near as easy as it used to be.
I think the bike test change was about 1985/86. I just missed it and had to do the 2 parter test and had to have a nancy boy restricted 125 cc crap as Lord Opti puts it. :(
My mate was a bit older than me and had a CB 250 when he was 17 and oh how he laughed at me with my Yamaha RXS100 when I turned 17. Bastard! >:( ;D
Derestricting them wasn't difficult, file top of float, open the reed blocks, raise an widen exhaust port, remove restrictor plate from the exhaust, and change the sprockets...
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Anyone bothered to check if their first cars are still in existence?
Sadly G318 SNA (1.3L Ford escort - 3dr estate in various shades of red) was bean tins a few decades ago. :'(
After passing my test in November 1970 in a BSM mini, I bought my first car; 1960 A40 reg. 1721 JW. The car was scrapped by me when I got my brand new red L reg, 1972, Ford Escort, but the registration now lives on fixed to a 2019 1318cc Honda!! ::) ::) ;D ;)
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What a coincidence Lizzie, my first car Austin A40 5016 VW then a Ford Escort 1100L brand new ! UYF 340M in Monza blue.
Blimey, that is Rangie!! :o :o ;D ;D ;D :y
Just proves great people like the same things! ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) ;)
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Wouldn't think my old A40 exists anywhere now, the floor was pretty rotten so part of it was made up of a welded in Hillman imp bonnet ! 😃
I loved my Farina bodied A40, but the front passenger seat was supported by air and the remains of the body shell as the cross member had rotted away; the whole of the body could be jacked up leaving the chassis - floor, transmission, wheels etc - on the floor as all the sills were gone and been replaced with an aluminium strip over copies of the Sun newspaper, and the body had holes everywhere!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
However, it passed the MOT TWICE, in 1970 and 71 as all the tyres (remoulds for £10) were good, the lights all worked and the brakes were good due to me making sure everything was "legal" for that time, plus the MOT examiner of the garage, SG Smith of Downham, I used all the time for fuel and masses of oil (10/- for a gallon can), liked me :-* :-* :o :o ;D ;D
In truth the elders around me at the time reckoned if I hit another solid object with my A40 it would disintegrate into rusted through body panels. They were of course right, as close by me I once saw another Austin of the same vintage on the side of the road with all the body panels in pieces around it!! :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Wouldn't think my old A40 exists anywhere now, the floor was pretty rotten so part of it was made up of a welded in Hillman imp bonnet ! 😃
I loved my Farina bodied A40, but the front passenger seat was supported by air and the remains of the body shell as the cross member had rotted away; the whole of the body could be jacked up leaving the chassis - floor, transmission, wheels etc - on the floor as all the sills were gone and been replaced with an aluminium strip over copies of the Sun newspaper, and the body had holes everywhere!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
However, it passed the MOT TWICE, in 1970 and 71 as all the tyres (remoulds for £10) were good, the lights all worked and the brakes were good due to me making sure everything was "legal" for that time, plus the MOT examiner of the garage, SG Smith of Downham, I used all the time for fuel and masses of oil (10/- for a gallon can), liked me :-* :-* :o :o ;D ;D
In truth the elders around me at the time reckoned if I hit another solid object with my A40 it would disintegrate into rusted through body panels. They were of course right, as close by me I once saw another Austin of the same vintage on the side of the road with all the body panels in pieces around it!! :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Ha yes that's true , I liked the A40 as well mine was Royal blue with a black roof & cream steel wheels with lovely shiny chrome hub caps it looked great..😎
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Wouldn't think my old A40 exists anywhere now, the floor was pretty rotten so part of it was made up of a welded in Hillman imp bonnet ! 😃
I loved my Farina bodied A40, but the front passenger seat was supported by air and the remains of the body shell as the cross member had rotted away; the whole of the body could be jacked up leaving the chassis - floor, transmission, wheels etc - on the floor as all the sills were gone and been replaced with an aluminium strip over copies of the Sun newspaper, and the body had holes everywhere!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
However, it passed the MOT TWICE, in 1970 and 71 as all the tyres (remoulds for £10) were good, the lights all worked and the brakes were good due to me making sure everything was "legal" for that time, plus the MOT examiner of the garage, SG Smith of Downham, I used all the time for fuel and masses of oil (10/- for a gallon can), liked me :-* :-* :o :o ;D ;D
In truth the elders around me at the time reckoned if I hit another solid object with my A40 it would disintegrate into rusted through body panels. They were of course right, as close by me I once saw another Austin of the same vintage on the side of the road with all the body panels in pieces around it!! :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Ha yes that's true , I liked the A40 as well mine was Royal blue with a black roof & cream steel wheels with lovely shiny chrome hub caps it looked great..😎
Oh yes, the classic black roof! :D :D The rest of the body of mine was the classic Austin light blue, and the ONLY thing that was shiny was the chrome hub caps! Even the chrome bumpers had rust showing through! ::) ::) ::)
Yours sounds as though it was a great example. I cannot remember seeing many in that Royal blue, but that was a good strong colour for that car 8) 8) :-* :-* :y
I would certainly love a restored A40 now ;)
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Wouldn't think my old A40 exists anywhere now, the floor was pretty rotten so part of it was made up of a welded in Hillman imp bonnet ! 😃
I loved my Farina bodied A40, but the front passenger seat was supported by air and the remains of the body shell as the cross member had rotted away; the whole of the body could be jacked up leaving the chassis - floor, transmission, wheels etc - on the floor as all the sills were gone and been replaced with an aluminium strip over copies of the Sun newspaper, and the body had holes everywhere!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
However, it passed the MOT TWICE, in 1970 and 71 as all the tyres (remoulds for £10) were good, the lights all worked and the brakes were good due to me making sure everything was "legal" for that time, plus the MOT examiner of the garage, SG Smith of Downham, I used all the time for fuel and masses of oil (10/- for a gallon can), liked me :-* :-* :o :o ;D ;D
In truth the elders around me at the time reckoned if I hit another solid object with my A40 it would disintegrate into rusted through body panels. They were of course right, as close by me I once saw another Austin of the same vintage on the side of the road with all the body panels in pieces around it!! :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Ha yes that's true , I liked the A40 as well mine was Royal blue with a black roof & cream steel wheels with lovely shiny chrome hub caps it looked great..😎
Oh yes, the classic black roof! :D :D The rest of the body of mine was the classic Austin light blue, and the ONLY thing that was shiny was the chrome hub caps! Even the chrome bumpers had rust showing through! ::) ::) ::)
Yours sounds as though it was a great example. I cannot remember seeing many in that Royal blue, but that was a good strong colour for that car 8) 8) :-* :-* :y
I would certainly love a restored A40 now ;)
Nah......you are a Humber girl at heart, Lizzie.
As mentioned before a nice pair of Bristol's would also suit you. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Ebay has several A40,s to choose from.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2060353.m570.l2632.R2.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.XAustin+A40.TRS0&_nkw=austin+a40&_sacat=29751
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Ebay has several A40,s to choose from.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2060353.m570.l2632.R2.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.XAustin+A40.TRS0&_nkw=austin+a40&_sacat=29751
Lizzie will come over all misty-eyed. ;)
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Wouldn't think my old A40 exists anywhere now, the floor was pretty rotten so part of it was made up of a welded in Hillman imp bonnet ! 😃
I loved my Farina bodied A40, but the front passenger seat was supported by air and the remains of the body shell as the cross member had rotted away; the whole of the body could be jacked up leaving the chassis - floor, transmission, wheels etc - on the floor as all the sills were gone and been replaced with an aluminium strip over copies of the Sun newspaper, and the body had holes everywhere!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
However, it passed the MOT TWICE, in 1970 and 71 as all the tyres (remoulds for £10) were good, the lights all worked and the brakes were good due to me making sure everything was "legal" for that time, plus the MOT examiner of the garage, SG Smith of Downham, I used all the time for fuel and masses of oil (10/- for a gallon can), liked me :-* :-* :o :o ;D ;D
In truth the elders around me at the time reckoned if I hit another solid object with my A40 it would disintegrate into rusted through body panels. They were of course right, as close by me I once saw another Austin of the same vintage on the side of the road with all the body panels in pieces around it!! :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Ha yes that's true , I liked the A40 as well mine was Royal blue with a black roof & cream steel wheels with lovely shiny chrome hub caps it looked great..😎
Oh yes, the classic black roof! :D :D The rest of the body of mine was the classic Austin light blue, and the ONLY thing that was shiny was the chrome hub caps! Even the chrome bumpers had rust showing through! ::) ::) ::)
Yours sounds as though it was a great example. I cannot remember seeing many in that Royal blue, but that was a good strong colour for that car 8) 8) :-* :-* :y
I would certainly love a restored A40 now ;)
Nah......you are a Humber girl at heart, Lizzie.
As mentioned before a nice pair of Bristol's would also suit you. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Never have liked the look of the Bristol cars, but a Humber Snipe, or even better a Humber Super Snip of late 1950's vintage, YES PLEASE!! 8) 8) 8) :D :D :y
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Ebay has several A40,s to choose from.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2060353.m570.l2632.R2.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.XAustin+A40.TRS0&_nkw=austin+a40&_sacat=29751
Lizzie will come over all misty-eyed. ;)
Oh yes, this one is just for me:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Austin-A40-farina-1959-new-MOT/143625538971?hash=item2170bfcd9b:g:wScAAOSwhjNe3POz
Now if I could get £7,000 for my Omega................I could go back in time!
Happy memories 8) 8) 8) :y
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And after driving it for 10 minutes you would wonder how you ever liked such a hideous contraption. ;D
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And after driving it for 10 minutes you would wonder how you ever liked such a hideous contraption. ;D
Yes, probably!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
It is funny how time distorts the fondest of our memories! ::) ::) ::)
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Dad had Super Snipes as his company car from the mid '50s to '67 when they stopped production[apart from a one month dalliance in the early '60s with a Van den Plas 3L-a brand new car that he returned after the second gearbox in that one month ownership went pop]his first one was one of the "Mk" models and then subsequent ones[replaced every two years at most]were the "Series" cars.The last car his dad owned was a '66 Imperial.
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Ebay has several A40,s to choose from.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2060353.m570.l2632.R2.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.XAustin+A40.TRS0&_nkw=austin+a40&_sacat=29751
Lizzie will come over all misty-eyed. ;)
Oh yes, this one is just for me:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Austin-A40-farina-1959-new-MOT/143625538971?hash=item2170bfcd9b:g:wScAAOSwhjNe3POz
Now if I could get £7,000 for my Omega................I could go back in time!
Happy memories 8) 8) 8) :y
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Look so basic now don't they , think I definitely prefer the RRS.
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Ebay has several A40,s to choose from.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2060353.m570.l2632.R2.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.XAustin+A40.TRS0&_nkw=austin+a40&_sacat=29751
Lizzie will come over all misty-eyed. ;)
Oh yes, this one is just for me:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Austin-A40-farina-1959-new-MOT/143625538971?hash=item2170bfcd9b:g:wScAAOSwhjNe3POz
Now if I could get £7,000 for my Omega................I could go back in time!
Happy memories 8) 8) 8) :y
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Look so basic now don't they , think I definitely prefer the RRS.
Oh yes they do ;D ;D ;)
But at the time they were perfect for me to learn car mechanics on, with no complicated electronics and sensors everywhere. Just basic engine with a basic body ;D ;D ;)
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And after driving it for 10 minutes you would wonder how you ever liked such a hideous contraption. ;D
Yes indeed,did a few miles in a XR3i last week,what a bloody awful noisey thing :-\
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And after driving it for 10 minutes you would wonder how you ever liked such a hideous contraption. ;D
Yes indeed,did a few miles in a XR3i last week,what a bloody awful noisey thing :-\
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I went out in my mates MGB GT V8 a couple of times recently made me realise how much advancement has been made since the seventies, it looks & sounds fantastic but I felt very vunerable at high speeds.
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And after driving it for 10 minutes you would wonder how you ever liked such a hideous contraption. ;D
Yes indeed,did a few miles in a XR3i last week,what a bloody awful noisey thing :-\
Yes.....the memories are usually better than the reality.
Much the same with old girlfriends. Thirty years on they don't look so hot.
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And after driving it for 10 minutes you would wonder how you ever liked such a hideous contraption. ;D
Yes indeed,did a few miles in a XR3i last week,what a bloody awful noisey thing :-\
Yes.....the memories are usually better than the reality.
Much the same with old girlfriends. Thirty years on they don't look so hot.
I bet they say the same about you Opti ::) ::) :-* :-* ;)
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And after driving it for 10 minutes you would wonder how you ever liked such a hideous contraption. ;D
Yes indeed,did a few miles in a XR3i last week,what a bloody awful noisey thing :-\
Yes.....the memories are usually better than the reality.
Much the same with old girlfriends. Thirty years on they don't look so hot.
I bet they say the same about you Opti ::) ::) :-* :-* ;)
My boyish good looks will never fade, Lizzie..... ::) ::) ::) 8) :-* :-* :-* :-*
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And after driving it for 10 minutes you would wonder how you ever liked such a hideous contraption. ;D
Yes indeed,did a few miles in a XR3i last week,what a bloody awful noisey thing :-\
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I went out in my mates MGB GT V8 a couple of times recently made me realise how much advancement has been made since the seventies, it looks & sounds fantastic but I felt very vunerable at high speeds.
MGB is fifties production thinking and mechanicals. It wasn't even state of the art when introduced.
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I find the same when driving the series and 110 Land Rovers, they have a charm but, they feel dated.
You then drive the new one and its night and day yet, somehow, it still feels like a Land Rover somehow