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Re: A positive Jag review... Sort of.
« Reply #15 on: 28 November 2024, 20:35:23 »

Only problem is that it's a five year old car and they've simply not moved forwards.
That's ironic coming from a Merc fanatic - they haven't moved forward since the late 1980s ;D

Backwards at a rate of knots in the late 90s...
Perhaps, but they still outsold JLR at a rate of over 5:1 last year so they must be doing something right/less wrong >:D
They are desperately common in these parts, probably the most common brand. But their lease schemes are exceptionally competitive, and I'd bet running at a loss.  That's why bro had S Classes for a while...  ...before coming to the conclusion that Bro No 2 (who had to deal with MB "design team" all the time) was right, and they are all junk made up of random parts from a standard part catalogue.

It all went to pot for them when they effective disbanded their design team around 35yrs ago, which is why the more recent stuff is so poor.


But don't think for a minute that the Scottish idiot Callum is any better ;D
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Re: A positive Jag review... Sort of.
« Reply #16 on: 28 November 2024, 23:07:31 »

https://youtu.be/bVN-eWbaSTg?si=WKbQMilxwH6Ssjc0

Only problem is that it's a five year old car and they've simply not moved forwards.

Utter junk, the facelift versions are different again, better interior, next gen sound and infotainment, uprated ADAS........and the SV version is in a different league.
Here's a question then, and it's not about one brand or another.

Is it customers demanding xyz next gen gubbins, or the designers telling them that's what they need in their lives and then seeing just how much they can get away with charging?
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Re: A positive Jag review... Sort of.
« Reply #17 on: 28 November 2024, 23:15:55 »

Only problem is that it's a five year old car and they've simply not moved forwards.
That's ironic coming from a Merc fanatic - they haven't moved forward since the late 1980s ;D

Backwards at a rate of knots in the late 90s...
Perhaps, but they still outsold JLR at a rate of over 5:1 last year so they must be doing something right/less wrong >:D
They are desperately common in these parts, probably the most common brand. But their lease schemes are exceptionally competitive, and I'd bet running at a loss.  That's why bro had S Classes for a while...  ...before coming to the conclusion that Bro No 2 (who had to deal with MB "design team" all the time) was right, and they are all junk made up of random parts from a standard part catalogue.

It all went to pot for them when they effective disbanded their design team around 35yrs ago, which is why the more recent stuff is so poor.


But don't think for a minute that the Scottish idiot Callum is any better ;D
I suspect, from an S Class point of view, the Prefacelift W221 was a decent successor to the W140, (the W220 was a reasonable car but lacked the presence and build quality for a range topper), but the facelift cars are definitely inferior in terms of fit and finish and equipment offered.

The W222 took off where the W220 left off and is basically a big C Class. Which works out well if you want a new C Class as it looks really classy compared to the old ones, but once you look past the glossy veneer of tat, they're pretty vapid. Like pretty much any premium brand.

Driving a 22 year old A Class home this morning put a smile on my face for it's stupid simplicity.
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Re: A positive Jag review... Sort of.
« Reply #18 on: 29 November 2024, 11:57:48 »

Here's a question then, and it's not about one brand or another.

Is it customers demanding xyz next gen gubbins, or the designers telling them that's what they need in their lives and then seeing just how much they can get away with charging?
I suspect new car buyer customers fit into 2 categories.

The millennials don't care about the car's capabilities, performance, reliability or handling, as long as it has a 56" touchscreen that can run CarWank/WankAuto, and has a default audio setting of over bassed.

Gentlemen "of a certain age" - my gen - couldn't give a shit about the electronics, and wish the manufacturers would just opps them off, and give me a decent chassis and drivetrain, enabling power, handling, reliability, and most importanly, comfort.


I'm not sure who is buying new cars, aside from lease/rental companies. Is it the kids paying £300 a month for something they never own, or older people making a cash/loan purchase?
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Re: A positive Jag review... Sort of.
« Reply #19 on: 29 November 2024, 12:10:59 »

I suspect, from an S Class point of view, the Prefacelift W221 was a decent successor to the W140, (the W220 was a reasonable car but lacked the presence and build quality for a range topper), but the facelift cars are definitely inferior in terms of fit and finish and equipment offered.

The W222 took off where the W220 left off and is basically a big C Class. Which works out well if you want a new C Class as it looks really classy compared to the old ones, but once you look past the glossy veneer of tat, they're pretty vapid. Like pretty much any premium brand.

Driving a 22 year old A Class home this morning put a smile on my face for it's stupid simplicity.
Bro's were all W222's I think (I have zero interest, so never looked that hard). But mid to late 20-teens era.  Having bombed about in one of his soot chuckers was a baseline for the sort of car I wanted.  First testdrive of the x351 variant of the XJ was enough to convince me - so much of a better car to drive, and a far better laid out interior, despite the frog eye vents (and don't get me started on it's pig ugly arse). It was also way more comfortable than his S Class at the time, though I think it was only his last that had the uprated seats.

But, I agree with you, MB seem to make each iteration even shitter than the one before, somehow.  Which kinda proves my feelings that they are failing fast since the late 80s...


I agree with simply snotboxes.  I sorta had a soft spot for the battlebus, which was shit in every way, but it was also fun.  I actually really enjoy driving her car as well, as, although its a paltry claimed 163bhp, it's manual and on a fantastic chassis, and being a base model, has no shit to distract you.  Last car I drove with such a fun drivers chassis as hers was a Alfa Guilia, modern one, not the classics.

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Re: A positive Jag review... Sort of.
« Reply #20 on: 29 November 2024, 16:31:10 »

I think the W222 was released in 2014/15 so possibly. And probably why they weren't great...

I've driven a facelift W221 and whilst subtle there's definitely some differences between pre and post facelift.

The W222 isn't even attractive, it's almost as thought the design brief was to wipe away any suggestive body lines and make it look like a cod from the front.

https://youtu.be/DVzqTDk07jU?si=eOkWPv9aaYlqG7gD apologies for the shit music.
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Re: A positive Jag review... Sort of.
« Reply #21 on: 29 November 2024, 17:54:57 »

I think the W222 was released in 2014/15 so possibly. And probably why they weren't great...

I've driven a facelift W221 and whilst subtle there's definitely some differences between pre and post facelift.

The W222 isn't even attractive, it's almost as thought the design brief was to wipe away any suggestive body lines and make it look like a cod from the front.

https://youtu.be/DVzqTDk07jU?si=eOkWPv9aaYlqG7gD apologies for the shit music.

I know a black interior in any car can make it appear a bit dark but ..... wtf chooses a tan & 'wood' interior?  ??? ???
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Re: A positive Jag review... Sort of.
« Reply #22 on: 29 November 2024, 19:04:49 »

I think the W222 was released in 2014/15 so possibly. And probably why they weren't great...

I've driven a facelift W221 and whilst subtle there's definitely some differences between pre and post facelift.

The W222 isn't even attractive, it's almost as thought the design brief was to wipe away any suggestive body lines and make it look like a cod from the front.

https://youtu.be/DVzqTDk07jU?si=eOkWPv9aaYlqG7gD apologies for the shit music.

I know a black interior in any car can make it appear a bit dark but ..... wtf chooses a tan & 'wood' interior?  ??? ???

I like a black interior.  My old V70 had a cream interior and it got mucky very quickly.  :-\

My old BMW 530d had a red interior!  :-X
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Re: A positive Jag review... Sort of.
« Reply #23 on: 29 November 2024, 19:07:31 »

Must admit that i find that a tan interior is very much not to my taste.
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Re: A positive Jag review... Sort of.
« Reply #24 on: 29 November 2024, 19:22:56 »

Mine is two tone grey and charcoal... Seats are all grey along with the door card armrests, waist line and lower dash. Everything else is charcoal, including the headlining and carpets. And there's just enough gloss dark walnut to break it up, but not enough to make it feel like a Lexus :D

And because it's built, (mostly), properly the wood is actual wood rather than over polished plastic trees >:D
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« Reply #25 on: 29 November 2024, 19:25:28 »

I think the W222 was released in 2014/15 so possibly. And probably why they weren't great...

I've driven a facelift W221 and whilst subtle there's definitely some differences between pre and post facelift.

The W222 isn't even attractive, it's almost as thought the design brief was to wipe away any suggestive body lines and make it look like a cod from the front.

https://youtu.be/DVzqTDk07jU?si=eOkWPv9aaYlqG7gD apologies for the shit music.

I know a black interior in any car can make it appear a bit dark but ..... wtf chooses a tan & 'wood' interior?  ??? ???

I like a black interior.  My old V70 had a cream interior and it got mucky very quickly.  :-\

My old BMW 530d had a red interior!  :-X
My Alfa 166 3.2V6 had a red leather interior, with pearlescent blue paint outside. Lovely looking, totally unreliable.
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Re: A positive Jag review... Sort of.
« Reply #26 on: 29 November 2024, 19:43:14 »

I think the W222 was released in 2014/15 so possibly. And probably why they weren't great...

I've driven a facelift W221 and whilst subtle there's definitely some differences between pre and post facelift.

The W222 isn't even attractive, it's almost as thought the design brief was to wipe away any suggestive body lines and make it look like a cod from the front.

https://youtu.be/DVzqTDk07jU?si=eOkWPv9aaYlqG7gD apologies for the shit music.

I know a black interior in any car can make it appear a bit dark but ..... wtf chooses a tan & 'wood' interior?  ??? ???

I like a black interior.  My old V70 had a cream interior and it got mucky very quickly.  :-\

My old BMW 530d had a red interior!  :-X
I don't know how these cars get built.  :o

My E39 525SE was a smart silver outside and everything inside was French Blue, and cloth. The only other options ticked were for an Auto box and the no cost alternative wheels. ;D
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Re: A positive Jag review... Sort of.
« Reply #27 on: 30 November 2024, 19:49:26 »

My old BMW 530d had a red interior!  :-X
Just like the Marina?

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Re: A positive Jag review... Sort of.
« Reply #28 on: 30 November 2024, 20:31:40 »

My old BMW 530d had a red interior!  :-X
Just like the Marina?

;D

Not quite.  :o   ;D

It sounds awful, a red interior, but the car was painted Royal Red and interior had red seats and red panels in the door cards.  The dash, centre consul, door handles and rest of the door card were black. It worked.  :y

When I phoned the local BMW dealers parts dept, the fella was suitably impressed when he brought up the cars details, Ooo that's got a sports interior! Is it red by any chance? That was an expensive option!    :)
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Re: A positive Jag review... Sort of.
« Reply #29 on: 01 December 2024, 11:32:24 »

I think the W222 was released in 2014/15 so possibly. And probably why they weren't great...

I've driven a facelift W221 and whilst subtle there's definitely some differences between pre and post facelift.

The W222 isn't even attractive, it's almost as thought the design brief was to wipe away any suggestive body lines and make it look like a cod from the front.

https://youtu.be/DVzqTDk07jU?si=eOkWPv9aaYlqG7gD apologies for the shit music.

I know a black interior in any car can make it appear a bit dark but ..... wtf chooses a tan & 'wood' interior?  ??? ???

I like a black interior.  My old V70 had a cream interior and it got mucky very quickly.  :-\

My old BMW 530d had a red interior!  :-X
I don't know how these cars get built.  :o

My E39 525SE was a smart silver outside and everything inside was French Blue, and cloth. The only other options ticked were for an Auto box and the no cost alternative wheels. ;D


Good looking cars.

The E39 M5 with a N/A 400BHP 5 litre V8 was a great car. :y
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