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[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I know less than nothing about modern Jags, but to me they dont have presence when you see them on the road, whereas old models like the XJ6 did.
They could easily be a big Ford as far as Im concerned.

[Rangie]

Jaguars came off my list as possibles when they made estate versions & diesel versions lost all "class".

[Doctor Gollum]

I know less than nothing about modern Jags, but to me they dont have presence when you see them on the road, whereas old models like the XJ6 did.
They could easily be a big Ford as far as Im concerned.

Mechanically they may as well be...

[TheBoy]

I know less than nothing about modern Jags, but to me they dont have presence when you see them on the road, whereas old models like the XJ6 did.
They could easily be a big Ford as far as Im concerned.

Mechanically they may as well be...

PAG sold what is now JLR in 2008.

Few components are now shared from when PAG was the parent company.  Mine was designed during the PAG era so it has, for example, the same infotainment modules as other PAG brands like Volvo. And obviously the engine is a Ford/(then)PSA production.

Hers has pretty much nothing that could be classed as Ford.  Though it does use ATE callipers, which Ford also do, so....   ....but thats stretching it somewhat


Ignoring the X type, none of the Jaguar (or Landrover) cars are mechanically the same as any Ford, although the original XF and S Type were based on variations of Ford floorpans.  The S Type was discontinued nearly 20 years ago, and the X250 XF was around 10 years ago.


So, a bit of an inaccurate statement there, Mr Gollum.

[Doctor Gollum]

Ok, it might be a bit of a stretch, 

But anything with FoMoCo on it is a Ford part in the same way that Beanz meanz Heinz.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I know less than nothing about modern Jags, but to me they dont have presence when you see them on the road, whereas old models like the XJ6 did.
They could easily be a big Ford as far as Im concerned.

Mechanically they may as well be...

PAG sold what is now JLR in 2008.

Few components are now shared from when PAG was the parent company.  Mine was designed during the PAG era so it has, for example, the same infotainment modules as other PAG brands like Volvo. And obviously the engine is a Ford/(then)PSA production.

Hers has pretty much nothing that could be classed as Ford.  Though it does use ATE callipers, which Ford also do, so....   ....but thats stretching it somewhat


Ignoring the X type, none of the Jaguar (or Landrover) cars are mechanically the same as any Ford, although the original XF and S Type were based on variations of Ford floorpans.  The S Type was discontinued nearly 20 years ago, and the X250 XF was around 10 years ago.


So, a bit of an inaccurate statement there, Mr Gollum.

I briefly owned a 3.0 V6 X-Type Mondeo. Other than being 4 wheel drive it was utter shite.

Possibly the worst car I have ever owned.

[Rangie]

I know less than nothing about modern Jags, but to me they dont have presence when you see them on the road, whereas old models like the XJ6 did.
They could easily be a big Ford as far as Im concerned.

Mechanically they may as well be...

PAG sold what is now JLR in 2008.

Few components are now shared from when PAG was the parent company.  Mine was designed during the PAG era so it has, for example, the same infotainment modules as other PAG brands like Volvo. And obviously the engine is a Ford/(then)PSA production.

Hers has pretty much nothing that could be classed as Ford.  Though it does use ATE callipers, which Ford also do, so....   ....but thats stretching it somewhat


Ignoring the X type, none of the Jaguar (or Landrover) cars are mechanically the same as any Ford, although the original XF and S Type were based on variations of Ford floorpans.  The S Type was discontinued nearly 20 years ago, and the X250 XF was around 10 years ago.


So, a bit of an inaccurate statement there, Mr Gollum.

I briefly owned a 3.0 V6 X-Type Mondeo. Other than being 4 wheel drive it was utter shite.

Possibly the worst car I have ever owned.

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Good idea for a new thread, my worst car MK3 Cortina 2000e estate everything that could go wrong did & it virtually turned to dust totally rusted away in about 4 years.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I know less than nothing about modern Jags, but to me they dont have presence when you see them on the road, whereas old models like the XJ6 did.
They could easily be a big Ford as far as Im concerned.

Mechanically they may as well be...

PAG sold what is now JLR in 2008.

Few components are now shared from when PAG was the parent company.  Mine was designed during the PAG era so it has, for example, the same infotainment modules as other PAG brands like Volvo. And obviously the engine is a Ford/(then)PSA production.

Hers has pretty much nothing that could be classed as Ford.  Though it does use ATE callipers, which Ford also do, so....   ....but thats stretching it somewhat


Ignoring the X type, none of the Jaguar (or Landrover) cars are mechanically the same as any Ford, although the original XF and S Type were based on variations of Ford floorpans.  The S Type was discontinued nearly 20 years ago, and the X250 XF was around 10 years ago.


So, a bit of an inaccurate statement there, Mr Gollum.

I briefly owned a 3.0 V6 X-Type Mondeo. Other than being 4 wheel drive it was utter shite.

Possibly the worst car I have ever owned.

Shame as they were nice looking cars.

[TheBoy]

Ok, it might be a bit of a stretch, 

But anything with FoMoCo on it is a Ford part in the same way that Beanz meanz Heinz.

Well, technically a PAG part, but thats splitting hairs.

As said, when Ford owned Jaguar and Landrover, it clearly was going to use some PAG parts.  But even then (ignoring the X Type again), they were not "essentially Fords".

Same when BMW owned Landrover, many components were BMW, but it didn't make an early L322 "essentially a BMW"

[TheBoy]

Shame as they were nice looking cars.

Bro had one for a few weeks whilst one of his beemers was being repaired through insurance.  Yes, decent car to look at, but the drive didn't live up to expectation....   ...think Vectra-C or Mk III Mundano (unsurprisingly).

[Doctor Gollum]

Ok, it might be a bit of a stretch, 

But anything with FoMoCo on it is a Ford part in the same way that Beanz meanz Heinz.

Well, technically a PAG part, but thats splitting hairs.

As said, when Ford owned Jaguar and Landrover, it clearly was going to use some PAG parts.  But even then (ignoring the X Type again), they were not "essentially Fords".

Same when BMW owned Landrover, many components were BMW, but it didn't make an early L322 "essentially a BMW"

I don't know, BMW reliability didn't help the reputation any

[TheBoy]

Ok, it might be a bit of a stretch, 

But anything with FoMoCo on it is a Ford part in the same way that Beanz meanz Heinz.

Well, technically a PAG part, but thats splitting hairs.

As said, when Ford owned Jaguar and Landrover, it clearly was going to use some PAG parts.  But even then (ignoring the X Type again), they were not "essentially Fords".

Same when BMW owned Landrover, many components were BMW, but it didn't make an early L322 "essentially a BMW"

I don't know, BMW reliability didn't help the reputation any

BMW's luxury cars were one of the few cars of the era that could make a P38 look like a beacon of reliability