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Title: Titanic
Post by: Varche on 19 June 2023, 22:14:20
That is some rescue mission.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 19 June 2023, 22:18:50
I suspect she's long past relocating.  ::)

Unless of course you mean the tourist submersible that's gone awol... Like any adventure sport, there were always risks attached, and whilst it would be nice, if only for the relatives, for it to be found, it's extremely unlikely to be a positive outcome.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Varche on 19 June 2023, 22:49:30
Yes , some rescue mission.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 June 2023, 06:32:11
A horrible way to go.  :(
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Viral_Jim on 20 June 2023, 07:12:53
I have a rule, other than driving, I won't use any form of transport that doesn't have a drinks service.

It generally helps me to avoid such situations  ;)
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Rangie on 20 June 2023, 09:41:26
They are just waiting to die, personally I could think of better trips to take for 250,000 dollars .
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 June 2023, 10:08:43
I have a rule, other than driving, I won't use any form of transport that doesn't have a drinks service.

It generally helps me to avoid such situations  ;)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/12/three-britons-confirmed-dead-in-egypt-boat-fire

You might reconsider... Although not going to Egypt in the first place would mitigate much of the issue ::)
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Viral_Jim on 20 June 2023, 12:02:38
I have a rule, other than driving, I won't use any form of transport that doesn't have a drinks service.

It generally helps me to avoid such situations  ;)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/12/three-britons-confirmed-dead-in-egypt-boat-fire

You might reconsider... Although not going to Egypt in the first place would mitigate much of the issue ::)

Yeah, Egypt is a hard no from me, crispy gin palaces notwithstanding!
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 20 June 2023, 12:06:14
This sounds like something from an episode of Thunderbirds where IR  (International Rescue) always save the day against all the odds.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 June 2023, 12:29:28
I have a rule, other than driving, I won't use any form of transport that doesn't have a drinks service.

It generally helps me to avoid such situations  ;)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/12/three-britons-confirmed-dead-in-egypt-boat-fire

You might reconsider... Although not going to Egypt in the first place would mitigate much of the issue ::)

Yeah, Egypt is a hard no from me, crispy gin palaces notwithstanding!
We do Cairo with work, but I am not rushing to go.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 June 2023, 13:13:39
Everyone should take one (and only one) trip to Egypt, to see the Pyramids, Sphinx, and Cairo museum.
We were in and out on the same day and imo thats the way to do it.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 June 2023, 13:15:21
Everyone should take one (and only one) trip to Egypt, to see the Pyramids, Sphinx, and Cairo museum.
We were in and out on the same day and imo thats the way to do it.
Day trip from Cyprus?
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: STEMO on 20 June 2023, 14:39:41
My lad, after putting the shits up me by travelling to the US on his own, is going one better in August. Twelve days in Morocco.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Viral_Jim on 20 June 2023, 15:17:00
My lad, after putting the shits up me by travelling to the US on his own, is going one better in August. Twelve days in Morocco.
:-X

Everyone should take one (and only one) trip to Egypt, to see the Pyramids, Sphinx, and Cairo museum.
We were in and out on the same day and imo thats the way to do it.
Maybe one day, far in the future when they have their sh!t more together. Not just now though, thank you!
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Raeturbo on 20 June 2023, 17:31:52
The stupid yanks are holding up a proper rescue now by the UK the people who mapped 700.000 images together last year of the ship and have the only vessel that’s able to possibly winch it up. They won’t let them fly out from Guernsey apparently……..
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: ronnyd on 20 June 2023, 17:47:01
Looking at the rusty arse end of the support ship that they launch the submersible from, i'd be a bit concerned exactly how professional this Ocean Gate enterprise really are. Especially for a cool £250k a pop.  ???
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 June 2023, 18:21:44
The stupid yanks are holding up a proper rescue now by the UK the people who mapped 700.000 images together last year of the ship and have the only vessel that’s able to possibly winch it up. They won’t let them fly out from Guernsey apparently……..
Probably because Guernsey isn't in the EU or UK... Not that anything  capable of flying to the US could ever take off from Guernsey.

Although it does rather smack of superpower arrogance, much like the Communists when the Kursk overheated.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 20 June 2023, 19:24:51
The stupid yanks are holding up a proper rescue now by the UK the people who mapped 700.000 images together last year of the ship and have the only vessel that’s able to possibly winch it up. They won’t let them fly out from Guernsey apparently……..
Probably because Guernsey isn't in the EU or UK... Not that anything  capable of flying to the US could ever take off from Guernsey.

Although it does rather smack of superpower arrogance, much like the Communists when the Kursk overheated.

Quick flight to Newquay.... ?
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Raeturbo on 20 June 2023, 20:26:07
The stupid yanks are holding up a proper rescue now by the UK the people who mapped 700.000 images together last year of the ship and have the only vessel that’s able to possibly winch it up. They won’t let them fly out from Guernsey apparently……..
Probably because Guernsey isn't in the EU or UK... Not that anything  capable of flying to the US could ever take off from Guernsey.

Although it does rather smack of superpower arrogance, much like the Communists when the Kursk overheated.
                 You’ve misunderstood, the team is waiting for the go ahead, not the hardware👍
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Raeturbo on 20 June 2023, 20:27:59
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12213051/amp/We-Vital-assets-Titanic-sub-rescue-stuck-UK-PAPERWORK.html
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Viral_Jim on 20 June 2023, 21:52:40
Looking at the rusty arse end of the support ship that they launch the submersible from, i'd be a bit concerned exactly how professional this Ocean Gate enterprise really are. Especially for a cool £250k a pop.  ???

That and the fact it's controlled using a playstation controller would have been red flags for me I think...
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 20 June 2023, 22:06:00
Looking at the rusty arse end of the support ship that they launch the submersible from, i'd be a bit concerned exactly how professional this Ocean Gate enterprise really are. Especially for a cool £250k a pop.  ???

That and the fact it's controlled using a playstation controller would have been red flags for me I think...

What's wrong with that?  ???   :D

A fella on Whine today said that the ballast is old metal pipes sat in cradles either side on the outside and the passengers have to all sit on one side so the pipes roll off when they want to ascend!  :o  ::)
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 21 June 2023, 03:23:46
I wager that if/when they find it there's no one in it.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Kevin Wood on 21 June 2023, 07:22:26
I wager that if/when they find it there's no one in it.

It is a pretty good cover story for a Reggie Perrin job... ;)
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Rangie on 21 June 2023, 07:56:53
Should build thousands of them & donate them to the immigrants waiting to get to the UK illegally, problems solved.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: TheBoy on 21 June 2023, 09:28:15
Everyone should take one (and only one) trip to Egypt, to see the Pyramids, Sphinx, and Cairo museum.
We were in and out on the same day and imo thats the way to do it.
Mrs TB wants to do Cairo, as she has a fascination with all things (ancient) Egyptian.  We did one of those Nile cruises from Luxor to Aswan and back, so all the temples, Valley of the Kings, Valley of the Queens etc, then each day watched the sun go down from the top deck of the boat, which conveniently had a bar.....

Oh, and a balloon trip over the wets bank of the Nile (so over Valley of Kings/Queens and Hatshepsut's mortuary temple) as the sun rose.

Downside of such a trip is I accidentally brushed my teeth in tap water on the boat one morning, which caused the "taps to open" for a few days ;D
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 21 June 2023, 14:07:27
Something like this I would imagine.  ;D (from 2.33).



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs3a5qT3k18
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: YZ250 on 21 June 2023, 18:59:02
My lad, after putting the shits up me by travelling to the US on his own, is going one better in August. Twelve days in Morocco.
:-X


When we were in Morocco, albeit a short stay, when we went out on a group tour they always sent a bodyguard with us. Read in to that what you will.  :-X
On the plus side, not that far from the nice bits, he will see goats that climb trees, paupers selling bags of carrots on the side of the road miles from anywhere and plenty of houses with no roof.  ::)
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: redelitev6 on 21 June 2023, 21:46:11
My lad, after putting the shits up me by travelling to the US on his own, is going one better in August. Twelve days in Morocco.
:-X


When we were in Morocco, albeit a short stay, when we went out on a group tour they always sent a bodyguard with us. Read in to that what you will.  :-X
On the plus side, not that far from the nice bits, he will see goats that climb trees, paupers selling bags of carrots on the side of the road miles from anywhere and plenty of houses with no roof.  ::)
Are you sure it was Morocco and not Barnsley ? :y
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Mister Rog on 21 June 2023, 22:15:26
My lad, after putting the shits up me by travelling to the US on his own, is going one better in August. Twelve days in Morocco.

I have to say, I really like Morocco. Admittedly in a nice hotel. But even walking around, I've never felt unsafe. Women need to take care with how they dress. It's possibly the most "open" and liberal of the Arab countries. Don't forget how the hippies, artists, and rock stars flocked there in the 60's.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: STEMO on 22 June 2023, 06:32:49
My lad, after putting the shits up me by travelling to the US on his own, is going one better in August. Twelve days in Morocco.

I have to say, I really like Morocco. Admittedly in a nice hotel. But even walking around, I've never felt unsafe. Women need to take care with how they dress. It's possibly the most "open" and liberal of the Arab countries. Don't forget how the hippies, artists, and rock stars flocked there in the 60's.
I hate to say this, Rog, but that was 60, yes 60, years ago  ;D
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: TheBoy on 22 June 2023, 08:23:44
I hate to say this, Rog, but that was 60, yes 60, years ago  ;D
Just after you retired....
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 June 2023, 12:10:54
My lad, after putting the shits up me by travelling to the US on his own, is going one better in August. Twelve days in Morocco.

I have to say, I really like Morocco. Admittedly in a nice hotel. But even walking around, I've never felt unsafe. Women need to take care with how they dress. It's possibly the most "open" and liberal of the Arab countries. Don't forget how the hippies, artists, and rock stars flocked there in the 60's.


https://youtu.be/0TYq9RjdYYU (https://youtu.be/0TYq9RjdYYU)

Take the Marrakesh express. :y
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 June 2023, 17:38:07
Reports coming through that they have found debris on the seabed near the Titanic wreck site.

US Coastguard press conference at 2000 BST.  :-\
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 June 2023, 17:52:22
Yes doesn’t look good. About time they just let the wreck and souls rest now I’d say.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Varche on 22 June 2023, 18:26:38
I brt if they have anymore trips there will be a shedload of safety features like more air, comms with surface ,four miles of string etc.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 June 2023, 20:07:37
Oh well they’re gone, poor people 🙁
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: dave the builder on 22 June 2023, 20:27:52
Oh well they’re gone, poor people 🙁
I heard they where RICH people  :-\
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Rangie on 22 June 2023, 20:44:04
Probably been dead for some time, certainly not a nice way to end your days especially after paying £196,500 for the trip of a lifetime.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 22 June 2023, 20:48:42
I'm guessing it would have been very quick with the water pressure down there.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: dave the builder on 22 June 2023, 21:15:58
It was a crazy idea anyway  ::)

what next  :-\  trips to the moon  :D
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: ronnyd on 22 June 2023, 21:28:53
Would imagine that at that pressure there would be little or nothing to recover. RIP.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 June 2023, 21:29:32
You take your chance as they say…. But they all had family……and at least they went doing something they loved.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: ronnyd on 22 June 2023, 21:36:45
Crushing blow for OceanGate's business i would imagine.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 June 2023, 22:21:06
I'm guessing it would have been very quick with the water pressure down there.

Hopefully it was instantaneous. So quick they didn't even realise what was happening.  :-\
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Raeturbo on 22 June 2023, 22:32:28
No doubt about that….   6000 pounds per square inch!
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 June 2023, 22:48:05
No doubt about that….  6000 pounds per square inch!

Blimey!  :o
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 June 2023, 01:49:45
Crushing blow for OceanGate's business i would imagine.
Corporate manslaughter and perhaps personal charges for the CEO would be a staring point.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: STEMO on 23 June 2023, 06:41:53
Crushing blow for OceanGate's business i would imagine.
Corporate manslaughter and perhaps personal charges for the CEO would be a staring point.
That would be Stockton Rush, the chief executive and founder of the company. One of the passengers  ::)
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: BazaJT on 23 June 2023, 08:15:40
Goes to show when your time's up you go.All the money in the world doesn't get you a better place in the queue.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: TheBoy on 23 June 2023, 08:29:54
Well, at the risk of being called a heartless tosser by LZ, they knew the risks, and if they didn't, they got what they deserved.

No different to, say, bungie jumping or parachuting or single seater motorsport.  And that is evidently part of the excitement and thrill of it.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Rangie on 23 June 2023, 09:17:46
I believe that the " passengers" had to agree to some kind of waiver in the event of the trip going tits up, be interesting to see how it all goes, I think one look at the submersible would have sent alarm bells ringing for me.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 June 2023, 09:24:57
Crushing blow for OceanGate's business i would imagine.
Corporate manslaughter and perhaps personal charges for the CEO would be a staring point.
That would be Stockton Rush, the chief executive and founder of the company. One of the passengers  ::)
Or his wife.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 23 June 2023, 10:16:22
Clearly there is now a gap in the market

 I was thinking of plugging it given the ticket prices people will pay, got a proposal for a new sub if anyone fancies joining:

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/01/10/11628524-6865591-image-a-2_1554110791955.jpg)
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: STEMO on 23 June 2023, 11:11:12
Clearly there is now a gap in the market

 I was thinking of plugging it given the ticket prices people will pay, got a proposal for a new sub if anyone fancies joining:

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/01/10/11628524-6865591-image-a-2_1554110791955.jpg)
That looks strong enough to do the job  :y
You'd have difficulty getting all the seating and a potty in there through the small holes  :-\
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Nick W on 23 June 2023, 11:34:04
Clearly there is now a gap in the market

 I was thinking of plugging it given the ticket prices people will pay, got a proposal for a new sub if anyone fancies joining:

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/01/10/11628524-6865591-image-a-2_1554110791955.jpg)
That looks strong enough to do the job  :y
You'd have difficulty getting all the seating and a potty in there through the small holes  :-\


Just burn some bigger holes with oxy-acetylene. You can probably find some sucker who will pay to do the job for you. Wickes*** will sell you some acrylic to stick over the new holes, and the clear silicone to do it with.




*** as long as you don't tell them what you're doing.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Raeturbo on 23 June 2023, 11:48:36

James Cameron says his sources heard a 'loud bang' too
Filmmaker and underwater enthusiast James Cameron has told Reuters in a Zoom interview that his sources reported hearing a “loud bang” on Sunday, similar to the US Navy’s report that it heard an underwater “anomaly” near the wreck of the Titanic on Sunday.

Cameron said he knew the Titan submersible was lost from the start, suspecting it imploded at the time the Titan’s support vessel lost communications one hour and 45 minutes into the mission.

“We got confirmation within an hour that there had been a loud bang at the same time that the sub comms were lost. A loud bang on the hydrophone. Loss of transponder. Loss of comms. I knew what happened. The sub imploded,” Cameron said.

He added that he told colleagues in an email on Monday, “We’ve lost some friends,” and, “It’s on the bottom in pieces right now.” The five who died mark the first deep-sea fatalities for the industry, Ca
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: TheBoy on 23 June 2023, 11:52:56
Clearly there is now a gap in the market

 I was thinking of plugging it given the ticket prices people will pay, got a proposal for a new sub if anyone fancies joining:

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/01/10/11628524-6865591-image-a-2_1554110791955.jpg)
For some reason, my neighbours won't let me build that in the garage....
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Raeturbo on 23 June 2023, 11:56:11
What😱 even with your pristine safety record🤣… diabolical 🔥
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 23 June 2023, 13:16:25
I looks to me like the press are giving the lost subs construction an overly negative view (are we surprised!)

https://www.compositesworld.com/articles/titan-prepares-for-titanic-expedition

https://www.compositesworld.com/news/titan-reaches-4000-m-depth

A lot more sophisticated than its being given credit for
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Andy B on 23 June 2023, 19:55:19
Clearly there is now a gap in the market

 I was thinking of plugging it given the ticket prices people will pay, got a proposal for a new sub if anyone fancies joining:

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/01/10/11628524-6865591-image-a-2_1554110791955.jpg)
For some reason, my neighbours won't let me build that in the garage....
How unreasonable ....  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Andy B on 23 June 2023, 19:56:08
Clearly there is now a gap in the market

 I was thinking of plugging it given the ticket prices people will pay, got a proposal for a new sub if anyone fancies joining:

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/01/10/11628524-6865591-image-a-2_1554110791955.jpg)

Looks a better bet that the Titan did  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Raeturbo on 23 June 2023, 20:53:18
I looks to me like the press are giving the lost subs construction an overly negative view (are we surprised!)

https://www.compositesworld.com/articles/titan-prepares-for-titanic-expedition

https://www.compositesworld.com/news/titan-reaches-4000-m-depth

A lot more sophisticated than its being given credit for

    Indeed, but shit like that makes good reading for the uneducated. Anything to make money
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 June 2023, 20:54:34
Titanic.
Titan.

Was  it wise give this 'craft' a name very similar to a large ship that went down in 1912.

Hmmm.....it seems not. ::) 


Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: ronnyd on 23 June 2023, 22:08:26
Various people now coming out to say about their doubts regarding the Titan. Shouting earlier and louder might have helped.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: STEMO on 23 June 2023, 22:16:41
Various people now coming out to say about their doubts regarding the Titan. Shouting earlier and louder might have helped.
It's a bit like knowing one of your neighbours is a wrong'un, Ronny. You can't really say anything until he's massacred the local church congregation.
Title: Re: Titanic
Post by: ronnyd on 24 June 2023, 13:11:14
Various people now coming out to say about their doubts regarding the Titan. Shouting earlier and louder might have helped.
It's a bit like knowing one of your neighbours is a wrong'un, Ronny. You can't really say anything until he's massacred the local church congregation.
Not all bad then.  ;)