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[Mutha Jugs n Speed]

A couple of my cars have a fog light out, and as the MOT's are due in a few weeks, thought a couple of new bulbs.. job done. But when I took one of the non working bulbs out ,it's an H1, and not knowing the history on the car I wouldn't know whether that is the correct bulb  fitment for the Irmscher bumper. I know that the H1 or the HB4 are for the standard Omega fog lights, but that H1 gets really hot in those small Irmscher fog light housings, and was wondering, if anyone knows what is the  correct bulb and required wattage is. TIA

[Doctor Gollum]

Think H1s are the wrong bulb for the Irmscher lamps

I know I had to cut off the original plugs when I fitted mine but they were replaced with a different plug, but damned if I can recall the bulbs it came with.

It was bought new from Irmscher, so not previously interfered with, which second hand may have been.

The lamp casings were used on something else, Mundeo ST200 iirc... In which case H11 was quite probably what was fitted originally.

[Andy B]

no idea of the bulbs but front fog lights aren't included in the MOT 

[dave the builder]

no idea of the bulbs but front fog lights aren't included in the MOT 

Front fog lights are a testable item on cars first registered on or after 1 March 2018 also DRLs
also...
You need to test reversing lamps on vehicles first used from 1 September 2009.

[Mutha Jugs n Speed]

Thinking that Dr G's route is a strong option, it may be time to upgrade a bit. Just needed to know whether anyone had any problems in their past owner ship. Also thanks for the info on the MOT regs.

[Andy B]

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Front fog lights are a testable item on cars first registered on or after 1 March 2018 also DRLs
also...
You need to test reversing lamps on vehicles first used from 1 September 2009.

Not applicable to a 20 odd yr old Omega then 

[Doctor Gollum]

Whilst they may not fail, isn't there a requirement that if equipment is fitted but not a compulsory item, ie rear wash wipe, it should work as expected otherwise be marked as an advisory item

[dave the builder]

"rear wash wipe" is not part of the MOT ,so may well not get tested at all ,
reversing lights on a pre 1 September 2009 are not a fail ,but may get an advisory ,similar to the spare tyre .
I guess it's down to the NT on the day ,he/she/them  could miss such items whilst desperately trying to find something that is a fail/money making opportunity ,Kerching £$£$£ 
Indicators on a BMW are tested , even though the BMW driver may never* use them

*Except when parked on double yellow lines , zigzags outside a school

[dave the builder]

One thing that is mandatory ,yet I doubt ever gets tested .....
"speedometer is working correctly and gives an accurate reading"
obviously speedos are NEVER tested on AUDIs, Golf GTIs (or golfs pretending to be GTI, with Ebay badges,) etc   

[STEMO]

"rear wash wipe" is not part of the MOT ,so may well not get tested at all ,
reversing lights on a pre 1 September 2009 are not a fail ,but may get an advisory ,similar to the spare tyre .
I guess it's down to the NT on the day ,he/she/them  could miss such items whilst desperately trying to find something that is a fail/money making opportunity ,Kerching £$£$£ 
Indicators on a BMW are tested , even though the BMW driver may never* use them

*Except when parked on double yellow lines , zigzags outside a school

 

[Andy B]

One thing that is mandatory ,yet I doubt ever gets tested .....
"speedometer is working correctly and gives an accurate reading"
obviously speedos are NEVER tested on AUDIs, Golf GTIs (or golfs pretending to be GTI, with Ebay badges,) etc   

A few years back ... maybe 10/13 ..... I presented an Astra G for test with a none working speedo/odometer.
The car passed without comment! (eventually  )

[Andy B]

it's all down to a tester. My 4x4 ML goes for MOT to a place that can't do a rolling road brake test .... I think, by rights, he should do a deceleration test on a road test .... but has never done so. He never tests my 13 pin trailer socket either! He's never tested my reverse lights!

I still take my cars to him for test though! 

[dave the builder]

One thing that is mandatory ,yet I doubt ever gets tested .....
"speedometer is working correctly and gives an accurate reading"
obviously speedos are NEVER tested on AUDIs, Golf GTIs (or golfs pretending to be GTI, with Ebay badges,) etc   

A few years back ... maybe 10/13 ..... I presented an Astra G for test with a none working speedo/odometer.
The car passed without comment! (eventually  )

The NT (Tester) should have noted the NON readable  odometer on the certificate
what did he /she/them put as the milage ? did he/she/them look at the ECM data  just guess  or ask YOU ,the vehicle presenter to guess 

it's all down to a tester. My 4x4 ML goes for MOT to a place that can't do a rolling road brake test .... I think, by rights, he should do a deceleration test on a road test .... but has never done so. He never tests my 13 pin trailer socket either! He's never tested my reverse lights!

I still take my cars to him for test though! 

13 pin sockets are testable when fitted ,7 pin are not (there is no standard wiring configuration for 7 pin)
A decelerometer is 'probably' used when driving the vehicle into the test bay 
Reverse lights would have activated getting the vehicle off the ramp , or are you still at the test station waiting for your car 

I pay full fee for MOTs ,the tester (ex police) is very strict
I see that as a good thing
though I do prep my cars BEFORE presenting them for MOT ,so rarely have retests (which costs time and money)

[johnnydog]

High level / 3rd brake lights are apparantly not a testable item, even if fitted. The one on my wife's 2017 Honda CRV doesn't work, and Honda have MOT'd it for the last two years, and whilst pointing it out on the 'items that require repair / replacement', they stated its not an MOT fail. Genuine Honda lamps are approx. £140 **, so if they could squeeze more money out of her, then I'm sure they would have done.
**Chinese copy units are available for less than £20, but supposedly they are a 'poor' fit...surprisingly

[Andy B]

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The NT (Tester) should have noted the NON readable  odometer on the certificate
what did he /she/them put as the milage ? did he/she/them look at the ECM data  just guess  or ask YOU ,the vehicle presenter to guess 
 ....

He put down what the odometer said .... which was the same as the previous year 

[Andy B]

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13 pin sockets are testable when fitted ,7 pin are not (there is no standard wiring configuration for 7 pin) ....

I know .... which is why I specifically said 13 pin socket .... not just trailer socket. 

[Andy B]

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Reverse lights would have activated getting the vehicle off the ramp , or are you still at the test station waiting for your car  .....

don't know about you .... but I've never seen the reverse lamps operate on my car when I'm driving it! 

[Andy B]

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A decelerometer is 'probably' used when driving the vehicle into the test bay  .....

but he 'probably' didn't if his gizmo was under a bench in his waiting area 

my previous tester had rollers that could spin in opposite directions when testing a permanent 4x4 

[ronnyd]

One thing that is mandatory ,yet I doubt ever gets tested .....
"speedometer is working correctly and gives an accurate reading"
obviously speedos are NEVER tested on AUDIs, Golf GTIs (or golfs pretending to be GTI, with Ebay badges,) etc   

A few years back ... maybe 10/13 ..... I presented an Astra G for test with a none working speedo/odometer.
The car passed without comment! (eventually  )

Going back quite a number of years now, the tester at the little village garage i used
 always got me to stay in the car when he hoisted it up. He got me to press peddles and wriggle the steering wheel about a bit.    Doubt we allowed near the test bay now are we? 

[dave the builder]

Some stations have ATLs (automated test lanes) where the tester can do an MOT on his own
(vibrate plates/shakers to rock suspension, mirrors to check rear lights etc )
non ATLs require a second person / helper
Many yest stations have "test viewing areas" so you can watch 
I doubt many garages or test stations would allow general public in the work or test areas these days
it's an insurance liability due to "people" being STUPID ,getting hurt, then claiming compensation 
much like everywhere ,"where there's blame  ,make a claim"
Alternatively ... use common sense ,don't get injured in the first place   

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

One thing that is mandatory ,yet I doubt ever gets tested .....
"speedometer is working correctly and gives an accurate reading"
obviously speedos are NEVER tested on AUDIs, Golf GTIs (or golfs pretending to be GTI, with Ebay badges,) etc   

A few years back ... maybe 10/13 ..... I presented an Astra G for test with a none working speedo/odometer.
The car passed without comment! (eventually  )

Going back quite a number of years now, the tester at the little village garage i used
 always got me to stay in the car when he hoisted it up. He got me to press peddles and wriggle the steering wheel about a bit.    Doubt we allowed near the test bay now are we? 

Thats exactly what happens when I take cars for MOT at my local garage, although the car isnt hoisted up. The tester is in a pit under it.

[TheBoy]

Some stations have ATLs (automated test lanes) where the tester can do an MOT on his own
(vibrate plates/shakers to rock suspension, mirrors to check rear lights etc )

This is what my MOTer has, just so he can advise something on the MOT, now that I always remove air fresheners.

[TheBoy]

Back to OP, not sure what bulbs TBH.  My bumper came with the loom, so never really checked.  Can't say I ever remember a time in the last 30 years when I needed to turn front fogs on, other than to remind dickheads coming the other way they have theirs on, so never noticed any heat issues.

My current ride didn't even have an option for front fogs

[Andy B]

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 now that I always remove air fresheners.

why's that? 

[Andy B]

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My current ride didn't even have an option for front fogs

neither does mine

[wingman]

Or mine!

[Mutha Jugs n Speed]

I have tried the ideas offered, but all the bulbs are to long and won't seat. So possibly that's why the H1 was used as they are a bit shorter and fit, maybe as a bodge. So will have to have a rethink, and have a look through Halfrauds bulb shelf, just to see if they have a 35w/55w H1 option.