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[Andy B]

Surprised at the level of anger at the 20mph limit. Just shows that they live in a different world from the rest of us .....

BBC News - Mark Drakeford defends 20mph law before stepping down
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68562547

[cam.in.head]

the problem is actually caused by us anyway realy when you look at it . not us individually but as a collective group of "people, drivers ,etc ". most laws and penalties , fines etc are only made because  we cannot be relied upon to actually drive sensibly in the first place . if nobody ever speeded then there would never be any speedlimits cameras or fines !.pretty obvious realy and relates to many other laws too.   but putting 20mph signs up doesnt actually do anything and seems to actually make some drivers actually go faster .(certainly round by me they do !) you struggle to drive 20 in a 20 zone without being tooted or overtaken . ive not got a problem with any speed limits especially if they show a reduction in accidents

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Drakeford is a jumped up parish councillor with delusions of grandeur.

[YZ250]

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 I've not got a problem with any speed limits especially if they show a reduction in accidents

I agree with your sentiments but as town/village limits are generally for the pedestrians benefit, why can't we just teach pedestrians to cross the road safely.  When I'm with my grandchildren I instill in to them the importance of the road being clear before they even attempt to cross the road.
Then some dumb arse changes the hierarchy in the highway code to allow pedestrians to step out in front of cars because they now have the god given right to in certain instances. I'm still telling my grandchildren "If it ain't clear, don't cross".
Incidentally, the new highway code rules have apparently increased the fatalities by 7%, so we must never assume that those who bring in changes are clever. 

[Doctor Gollum]

There's an environmental argument against such low speeds as vehicles simply aren't designed to travel so slowly... Not to mention the fact that localised pollution is increased by virtue of traffic build up.

Lundun being a case in point as localised pollution increases in direct proportion to each drop in traffic speed/flow.

[Raeturbo]

Drakeford is a jumped up parish councillor with delusions of grandeur.

               Yep he’s a prick👍

[Mister Rog]

the problem is actually caused by us anyway realy when you look at it . not us individually but as a collective group of "people, drivers ,etc ". most laws and penalties , fines etc are only made because  we cannot be relied upon to actually drive sensibly in the first place . if nobody ever speeded then there would never be any speedlimits cameras or fines !.pretty obvious realy and relates to many other laws too.   but putting 20mph signs up doesnt actually do anything and seems to actually make some drivers actually go faster .(certainly round by me they do !) you struggle to drive 20 in a 20 zone without being tooted or overtaken . ive not got a problem with any speed limits especially if they show a reduction in accidents

I dislike Dripford, but the 20mph thing is the least of my problems with him.

Right outside my house the speed limit is 20, and has been for quite some time. It's like a race track. Not just boy-racers with their modified Corsas, ordinary people who if you met in a pub you would regard as sensible, drive like lunatics. Crossing the road is hard. I'd contribute towards a speed camera.

I blame modern cars. Remote and isolated from the outside World. Overpowered, yes, overpowered. Just why do we need top speeds of 130+ mph and 150/250 + BHP? Please explain. I would add that I've had more than my fair share of speeding tickets.

High speeds on motorways are one thing. No pedestrians, a high speed environment. 30/40 mph in an urban area is bloody dangerous.

[Raeturbo]

I agree with all that but a 20mph or even a 10 or 5mph limit would have zero impact on fools and criminals who drive too fast passing schools etc

[Marks DTM Calib]

I blame modern cars. Remote and isolated from the outside World. Overpowered, yes, overpowered. Just why do we need top speeds of 130+ mph and 150/250 + BHP? Please explain. I would add that I've had more than my fair share of speeding tickets.

Why so little, not sure I could live long term with much less than 300 now  :'(

AT the end of the day, its not the car, its the seat wheel interface

[Marks DTM Calib]

My issue with the Welsh 20mph is where its done, narrow streets, loads of parked cars, schools etc, no issue, the main roads in and out and around Swansea..........no.

He is a bell end who has no interest in those who elected him, i hope he gets run over by a 3mph road roller

[johnnydog]

There's an environmental argument against such low speeds as vehicles simply aren't designed to travel so slowly... Not to mention the fact that localised pollution is increased by virtue of traffic build up.

Lundun being a case in point as localised pollution increases in direct proportion to each drop in traffic speed/flow.

Yet, some motorways have displayed the Matrix boards to reduce the speed limit to 60mph to 'improve air quality' (supposedly)...the M1 near Sheffield being one 

[Sir Tigger KC]

There's an environmental argument against such low speeds as vehicles simply aren't designed to travel so slowly... Not to mention the fact that localised pollution is increased by virtue of traffic build up.

Lundun being a case in point as localised pollution increases in direct proportion to each drop in traffic speed/flow.

Yet, some motorways have displayed the Matrix boards to reduce the speed limit to 60mph to 'improve air quality' (supposedly)...the M1 near Sheffield being one 

I would have thought that the quicker you get through a built up area on the motorway, the less pollution you cause. 

[STEMO]

There's an environmental argument against such low speeds as vehicles simply aren't designed to travel so slowly... Not to mention the fact that localised pollution is increased by virtue of traffic build up.

Lundun being a case in point as localised pollution increases in direct proportion to each drop in traffic speed/flow.

Yet, some motorways have displayed the Matrix boards to reduce the speed limit to 60mph to 'improve air quality' (supposedly)...the M1 near Sheffield being one 

That's just ended because......work this one out.....air quality has improved. Now, has it improved because of the speed reduction, in which case why increase it again? Or is it just magic?

[Doctor Gollum]

There's an environmental argument against such low speeds as vehicles simply aren't designed to travel so slowly... Not to mention the fact that localised pollution is increased by virtue of traffic build up.

Lundun being a case in point as localised pollution increases in direct proportion to each drop in traffic speed/flow.

Yet, some motorways have displayed the Matrix boards to reduce the speed limit to 60mph to 'improve air quality' (supposedly)...the M1 near Sheffield being one 

That's just ended because......work this one out.....air quality has improved. Now, has it improved because of the speed reduction, in which case why increase it again? Or is it just magic?

Or was it because all the traffic took a different route because that one was too slow?

[STEMO]

There's an environmental argument against such low speeds as vehicles simply aren't designed to travel so slowly... Not to mention the fact that localised pollution is increased by virtue of traffic build up.

Lundun being a case in point as localised pollution increases in direct proportion to each drop in traffic speed/flow.

Yet, some motorways have displayed the Matrix boards to reduce the speed limit to 60mph to 'improve air quality' (supposedly)...the M1 near Sheffield being one 

That's just ended because......work this one out.....air quality has improved. Now, has it improved because of the speed reduction, in which case why increase it again? Or is it just magic?

Or was it because all the traffic took a different route because that one was too slow?

It was 60mph instead of 70 between two junctions on the M1 at Tinsley.