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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Doctor Gollum on 26 November 2018, 17:17:52
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This poll asks what I believe to ultimately be the question facing the House of Commons.
We are leaving the EU in March regardless of whether Parliament is ready or not. Leaving or Remaining is, at this point, irrelevant.
I have set the poll to end at the proposed day of the House of Commons vote on the matter, and the results will become known at that point.
I was originally planning to only give two options, but have added a third to allow for the Backstop being amended, should this happen.
I have asked if possible that the thread be locked to posting in order to keep the discussion on the matter to the current thread on the subject.
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Well, well...
Looks like 12 of you were fundamentally right :-\
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But of course. :D
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But of course. :D
We're always right, Albs. ;D
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But of course. :D
You are always right, Albs. ;D
Thankyou scouse git. :)
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But of course. :D
You are always right, Albs. ;D
Thankyou scouse git. :)
I can feel a party split coming on >:(
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;D ;D
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The real problem behind the deal with the EU is actually very simple ..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46542566
"Leo Varadkar and Jean Claude Juncker both agreed the withdrawal agreement is "the best outcome available".
They agreed that the proposed deal "cannot be reopened or contradicted"."
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Agreed. Varadkar has used the opportunity to his advantage and she has allowed herself to be played like a cheap fiddle.
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The BBC keep describing the backstop as an insurance policy.
Every insurance policy I've ever taken out, I have the option to unilaterally cancel and the policy has an expiry date. :)
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Well I can only hope that irelands manipulation of the whole border debacle fittingly comes back and bites them on the backstop....
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Lets hope so. :y
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117 is a large number. :-X
I imagine she is now almost powerless. A sitting duck.
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117 is a large number. :-X
I imagine she is now almost powerless. A sitting duck.
They can't touch her for a year now so for her its a result,can't see anyone else doing much better tbh
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117 is a large number. :-X
I imagine she is now almost powerless. A sitting duck.
They can't touch her for a year now so for her its a result,can't see anyone else doing much better tbh
I agree.
The idea that a new PM or a labour government would do any better is false.
Sadly the offer (piss poor though it is)......as as good as it gets. As good as it was ever going to get.
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no deal will cost one percent of GDP! that will soon be made up, its only the government thats scared of it hence the oh no it will be a nightmare now we will have to work for our money!
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A no deal would , I understand create a problem for the EU. The Irish border. They would have to instate some kind of hard border in order for the EU integrity not to be compromised on goods INTO the EU. Funny how Varadker has gone on and on about not wanting a hard border...…
May ought to be offering the EU a Free Trade deal today. And then when they Um and Err play them on the media. Of course it will be too little too late. She will doubtless be happy to come back with backstop limited to ten thousand years. ;D ;D
Everyone has breathed a sigh of relief over May winning the no confidence vote. Didn't Maggie do the same and then was gone in a week ?
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A no deal would , I understand create a problem for the EU. The Irish border. They would have to instate some kind of hard border in order for the EU integrity not to be compromised on goods INTO the EU. Funny how Varadker has gone on and on about not wanting a hard border...…
May ought to be offering the EU a Free Trade deal today. And then when they Um and Err play them on the media. Of course it will be too little too late. She will doubtless be happy to come back with backstop limited to ten thousand years. ;D ;D
Everyone has breathed a sigh of relief over May winning the no confidence vote. Didn't Maggie do the same and then was gone in a week ?
I believe Thatcher had 204 votes against TM's 200. I'd need to check though.
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Opti , where would we be without your voting records!
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I really cannot fathom how people don't understand the facts.
1. The UK has signed an international treaty (The Good Friday agreement) with Ireland which states there will never be a hard border between NI and Eire. There is no end date to the agreement. The UK is in the agreement in perpetuity and cannot withdraw unilaterally. The UK can only get out of the agreement with Ireland's (and the people of NI's) agreement.
2. The UK has told the EU that the UK is leaving the EU.
3. The EU says "Tell us what you are going to do about the border to ensure there is no hard border. It isn't our problem, it is your problem because you have chosen to leave. If you don't leave, there is no problem".
4. Consider animals. EU law states that any animal crossing an EU border must be inspected unless it comes from somewhere which applies the EU laws relating to animals. So animals can cross the France-Belgium border freely.
5. Some NI farms straddle the border and animals roam freely across the border.
So what can be done?
There is no technological solution.
There can only be a solution based on NI applying the same laws as the EU does.
So NI must apply the relevant EU laws.
May wants a new trade deal to cover the border. So does the EU. But the transition period, even if extended, will end well before any trade deal is negotiated. And there is no guarantee a trade deal will be negotiated.
So, if the UK is to honour the international treaty it signed, there must be a backstop. NAd it must last until it is replaced by a Trade Deal. If no Trade Deal is negotiated, it stays.
The problem lies with the UK not understanding this.
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Or....we could just leave without a deal and let the EU worry about their border.
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Or...we could just put a border up and say "f*uck you".
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That works for me. :y
On Darius point 1. Mays agreement with the EU tears up/ breaches/ nullifies the good Friday agreement. It alters the status of Northern Ireland, and the good Friday agreement forbids that without the consent of the people of Northern Ireland. ;)
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Looks like no deal wiith Euroland will now be the outcome :-X
swmbo is asking me what we need to start stock piling first :-\
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Looks like no deal wiith Euroland will now be the outcome :-X
swmbo is asking me what we need to start stock piling first :-\
Spam. :y
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Looks like no deal wiith Euroland will now be the outcome :-X
swmbo is asking me what we need to start stock piling first :-\
Chest freezers, closely followed by any imported food ::)
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Mr Farage says a new vote is the most likely outcome. And he's thrilled about that. ::)
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swmbo is asking me what we need to start stock piling first :-\
Euros
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Or...we could just put a border up and say "f*uck you".
When I joined this forum I read the Guidelines which say "Excessive use of bad language of any description will not be tolerated, neither will the use of certain words (masked or otherwise) which we hope should be plain and obvious to anyone who can read these guidelines and be intelligent enough to work out what kind of behavior is and isn't allowed."
You are obviously not intelligent enough to understand.
You offensive oaf.
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Or...we could just put a border up and say "f*uck you".
When I joined this forum I read the Guidelines which say "Excessive use of bad language of any description will not be tolerated, neither will the use of certain words (masked or otherwise) which we hope should be plain and obvious to anyone who can read these guidelines and be intelligent enough to work out what kind of behavior is and isn't allowed."
You are obviously not intelligent enough to understand.
You offensive oaf.
He's from Liverpool so we have to make allowances for his crude behaviour.
That said the the old f*ucker is one of the good guys. :)
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Or...we could just put a border up and say "f*uck you".
When I joined this forum I read the Guidelines which say "Excessive use of bad language of any description will not be tolerated, neither will the use of certain words (masked or otherwise) which we hope should be plain and obvious to anyone who can read these guidelines and be intelligent enough to work out what kind of behavior is and isn't allowed."
You are obviously not intelligent enough to understand.
You offensive oaf.
Give yourself more time to acclimatize yourself on this forum and then start to comment in such a way.
We all basically know each other here and how to wind each other up, and what words to use in each post. Give it more time than just 7 posts and then you will understand the level of banter and type there is, and when to let rip!! :D :D ;)
STEMO is a great character on here and is no offensive oaf..........well not most of the time!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Or...we could just put a border up and say "f*uck you".
When I joined this forum I read the Guidelines which say "Excessive use of bad language of any description will not be tolerated, neither will the use of certain words (masked or otherwise) which we hope should be plain and obvious to anyone who can read these guidelines and be intelligent enough to work out what kind of behavior is and isn't allowed."
You are obviously not intelligent enough to understand.
You offensive oaf.
Give yourself more time to acclimatize yourself on this forum and then start to comment in such a way.
We all basically know each other here and how to wind each other up, and what words to use in each post. Give it more time than just 7 posts and then you will understand the level of banter and type there is, and when to let rip!! :D :D ;)
STEMO is a great character on here and is no offensive oaf..........well not most of the time!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
I wouldn't go that far, Lizzie. ::) ::) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
But to be fair to the old boy, if I lived in Barnsleywakefield and only had a fiea-ridden whippet for company I'd be pissed off as well. :)
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Or...we could just put a border up and say "f*uck you".
When I joined this forum I read the Guidelines which say "Excessive use of bad language of any description will not be tolerated, neither will the use of certain words (masked or otherwise) which we hope should be plain and obvious to anyone who can read these guidelines and be intelligent enough to work out what kind of behavior is and isn't allowed."
You are obviously not intelligent enough to understand.
You offensive oaf.
Give yourself more time to acclimatize yourself on this forum and then start to comment in such a way.
We all basically know each other here and how to wind each other up, and what words to use in each post. Give it more time than just 7 posts and then you will understand the level of banter and type there is, and when to let rip!! :D :D ;)
STEMO is a great character on here and is no offensive oaf..........well not most of the time!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
I wouldn't go that far, Lizzie. ::) ::) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
But to be fair to the old boy, if I lived in Barnsleywakefield and only had a fiea-ridden whippet for company I'd be pissed off as well. :)
Some say he never returned his Invacar 8) to the NHS, how the hell he drives that thing with the dog on his lap is beyond me :o
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1. The UK has signed an international treaty (The Good Friday agreement) with Ireland which states there will never be a hard border between NI and Eire. There is no end date to the agreement. The UK is in the agreement in perpetuity and cannot withdraw unilaterally. The UK can only get out of the agreement with Ireland's (and the people of NI's) agreement.
There is no such provision in the Good Friday Agreement (written or implied) that prohibits a 'hard' border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, neither is there any provision mandating or encouraging a 'soft' or invisible border. In fact there is nothing specific in the GFA about the border between the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom.
It's arguable however that to erect checkpoints at the border whether by the British Government or the Republic of Ireland Government would contravene the spirit of the GFA. That's all.
3. The EU says "Tell us what you are going to do about the border to ensure there is no hard border. It isn't our problem, it is your problem because you have chosen to leave. If you don't leave, there is no problem".
This is where things have got a bit muddy, as it's true that by leaving the European Union, the United Kingdom has created a problem. However strictly speaking it is not the UK's problem but a problem for the Government of the Republic of Ireland and the European Union in how to interpret and enforce their laws on their side of the border. Once the United Kingdom has left the European Union, EU law will not apply and it shouldn't be for the UK to work out how EU law can be enforced in an EU state.
I was listening to Any Questions on Radio 4 last night and they were talking about the border and the backstop. Dimbleby asked Hillary Benn who will erect the border posts?, given that the EU, RoI, and the UK have said that they will not. Predictably Benn answered with a lot of waffle along the lines of The EU says this.... The EU says that.... EU law.... blah blah blah , but he didn't actually answer the question and I thought that it seems that many of these politicians and commentators are in thrall to the EU and while it's clear that they are not in favour of BREXIT, it's also clear to me that they don't seem to 'get' that we will no longer be subject to to laws, rules and regulations of the European Union. Stockholm syndrome springs to mind. ::)
4. Consider animals. EU law states that any animal crossing an EU border must be inspected unless it comes from somewhere which applies the EU laws relating to animals. So animals can cross the France-Belgium border freely.
5. Some NI farms straddle the border and animals roam freely across the border.
There are already veterinary checks between Great Britain and Northern Ireland and it would be sensible to maintain these, but as said earlier applying the whole body of EU law to Northern Ireland does contravene the GFA as it alters the status of Northern Ireland without the consent of the people of Northern Ireland.
The whole issue of the border on the island of Ireland has been inflated by the EU into this huge insolvable problem that can only be solved by the effective annexation of Northern Ireland from the UK. In my opinion the British government have been complicit in this deception to make it seem that leaving the European Union is too hard and to have another referendum. It seems likely to me that they will succeed. :(
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1. The UK has signed an international treaty (The Good Friday agreement) with Ireland which states there will never be a hard border between NI and Eire. There is no end date to the agreement. The UK is in the agreement in perpetuity and cannot withdraw unilaterally. The UK can only get out of the agreement with Ireland's (and the people of NI's) agreement.
There is no such provision in the Good Friday Agreement (written or implied) that prohibits a 'hard' border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, neither is there any provision mandating or encouraging a 'soft' or invisible border. In fact there is nothing specific in the GFA about the border between the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom.
It's arguable however that to erect checkpoints at the border whether by the British Government or the Republic of Ireland Government would contravene the spirit of the GFA. That's all.
3. The EU says "Tell us what you are going to do about the border to ensure there is no hard border. It isn't our problem, it is your problem because you have chosen to leave. If you don't leave, there is no problem".
This is where things have got a bit muddy, as it's true that by leaving the European Union, the United Kingdom has created a problem. However strictly speaking it is not the UK's problem but a problem for the Government of the Republic of Ireland and the European Union in how to interpret and enforce their laws on their side of the border. Once the United Kingdom has left the European Union, EU law will not apply and it shouldn't be for the UK to work out how EU law can be enforced in an EU state.
I was listening to Any Questions on Radio 4 last night and they were talking about the border and the backstop. Dimbleby asked Hillary Benn who will erect the border posts?, given that the EU, RoI, and the UK have said that they will not. Predictably Benn answered with a lot of waffle along the lines of The EU says this.... The EU says that.... EU law.... blah blah blah , but he didn't actually answer the question and I thought that it seems that many of these politicians and commentators are in thrall to the EU and while it's clear that they are not in favour of BREXIT, it's also clear to me that they don't seem to 'get' that we will no longer be subject to to laws, rules and regulations of the European Union. Stockholm syndrome springs to mind. ::)
4. Consider animals. EU law states that any animal crossing an EU border must be inspected unless it comes from somewhere which applies the EU laws relating to animals. So animals can cross the France-Belgium border freely.
5. Some NI farms straddle the border and animals roam freely across the border.
There are already veterinary checks between Great Britain and Northern Ireland and it would be sensible to maintain these, but as said earlier applying the whole body of EU law to Northern Ireland does contravene the GFA as it alters the status of Northern Ireland without the consent of the people of Northern Ireland.
The whole issue of the border on the island of Ireland has been inflated by the EU into this huge insolvable problem that can only be solved by the effective annexation of Northern Ireland from the UK. In my opinion the British government have been complicit in this deception to make it seem that leaving the European Union is too hard and to have another referendum. It seems likely to me that they will succeed. :(
Good thing too, when my uncle was out there with HM forces in the eighties they received a couple of 50 cal rounds, fired from the south; thru their elevated OP ::)
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Or...we could just put a border up and say "f*uck you".
When I joined this forum I read the Guidelines which say "Excessive use of bad language of any description will not be tolerated, neither will the use of certain words (masked or otherwise) which we hope should be plain and obvious to anyone who can read these guidelines and be intelligent enough to work out what kind of behavior is and isn't allowed."
You are obviously not intelligent enough to understand.
You offensive oaf.
Are you Irish? It would explain a lot. ;D
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And thank you for all the kind ;D comments, you bastards. Oops, there I go again.
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And thank you for all the kind ;D comments, you bastards. Oops, there I go again.
Mr Bastard sounds more respectful.
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And thank you for all the kind ;D comments, you bastards. Oops, there I go again.
Mr Bastard sounds more respectful.
;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Are you Irish? It would explain a lot. ;D
No.
I think the explanation is probably that I am a lot more intelligent, better educated and and better informed than you.
I don't need to be offensive like you do in so many of your posts. It's long past the time the moderators should have banned you.
Also, I can read and understand the forum guidelines which seems to be quite beyond your capabilities.
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John Ha has moved to the midlands. He may be heading this way :o
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Are you Irish? It would explain a lot. ;D
No.
I think the explanation is probably that I am a lot more intelligent, better educated and and better informed than you.
I don't need to be offensive like you do in so many of your posts. It's long past the time the moderators should have banned you.
Also, I can read and understand the forum guidelines which seems to be quite beyond your capabilities.
Well that statement and attitude will certainly go down a treat here ! ::) ::) ::)
You have been on here 5 minutes and you already slinging out insults :o :o
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John Ha has moved to the midlands. He may be heading this way :o
Yep ;D ;D
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John Ha has moved to the midlands. He may be heading this way :o
Yep ;D ;D
It's funny that the self-proclaimed 'intelligent' people always post the biggest load of shite. As for better educated.....I doubt it. And, as for better informed, we'll, you would think they would have the knowledge to avoid driving around in an ancient soot chucker with a coat hanger sticking out of the roof. A bit like a 70's remote controlled car. ;D
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I think the explanation is probably that I am a lot more intelligent, better educated and and better informed than you.
Darius is also a comedian. ;D
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I know two people called Darius... Both are Polish and both are quick to complain and lacking on the initiative front. Also both work shy... And I suspect both remainders ::)
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That.s all we need, another "newbie" coming along and telling all us old reprobates how to behave. ::)
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That.s all we need, another "newbie" coming along and telling all us old reprobates how to behave. ::)
Is he for real or is it somebody on here?
Seems big on piety.
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That.s all we need, another "newbie" coming along and telling all us old reprobates how to behave. ::)
Is he for real or is it somebody on here?
Seems big on piety.
Steak and kidney?
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I know two people called Darius... Both are Polish and both are quick to complain and lacking on the initiative front. Also both work shy... And I suspect both remainders ::)
He'll be one of those two, then. Have a word, will ya? ;D
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John Ha has moved to the midlands. He may be heading this way :o
This may be due to climate change and global warming
I moved to the top of a hill in Derbyshire ,just in case the ice walls melt etc
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John Ha has moved to the midlands. He may be heading this way :o
This may be due to climate change and global warming
I moved to the top of a hill in Derbyshire ,just in case the ice walls melt etc
No man is an island, although you've got more chance of becoming one from the top of a hill, granted.
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John Ha has moved to the midlands. He may be heading this way :o
This may be due to climate change and global warming
I moved to the top of a hill in Derbyshire ,just in case the ice walls melt etc
No man is an island, although you've got more chance of becoming one from the top of a hill, granted.
Cr@p. Our new place is already in a marsh. Any rise in sea level and I'll be needing me waders. ::)
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John Ha has moved to the midlands. He may be heading this way :o
Yep ;D ;D
It's funny that the self-proclaimed 'intelligent' people always post the biggest load of shite. As for better educated.....I doubt it. And, as for better informed, we'll, you would think they would have the knowledge to avoid driving around in an ancient soot chucker with a coat hanger sticking out of the roof. A bit like a 70's remote controlled car. ;D
I see what you did there.....
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John Ha has moved to the midlands. He may be heading this way :o
This may be due to climate change and global warming
I moved to the top of a hill in Derbyshire ,just in case the ice walls melt etc
No man is an island, although you've got more chance of becoming one from the top of a hill, granted.
Cr@p. Our new place is already in a marsh. Any rise in sea level and I'll be needing me waders. ::)
So you won't be an island then, you'll be swamped. Cause you're not on the top of a hill, which is what I said. ;D
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John Ha has moved to the midlands. He may be heading this way :o
Yep ;D ;D
It's funny that the self-proclaimed 'intelligent' people always post the biggest load of shite. As for better educated.....I doubt it. And, as for better informed, we'll, you would think they would have the knowledge to avoid driving around in an ancient soot chucker with a coat hanger sticking out of the roof. A bit like a 70's remote controlled car. ;D
I see what you did there.....
What did I do? Tell me, then I'll know if I meant to do it. ;D
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John Ha has moved to the midlands. He may be heading this way :o
This may be due to climate change and global warming
I moved to the top of a hill in Derbyshire ,just in case the ice walls melt etc
No man is an island, although you've got more chance of becoming one from the top of a hill, granted.
Cr@p. Our new place is already in a marsh. Any rise in sea level and I'll be needing me waders. ::)
Best build accordingly then :y
your mandatory rainwater soak-away should be fun ;D
rainwater harvesting :-\
make ground floor a wet room before nature does :P
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Building on pontoons would be a viable long term plan ;)
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John Ha has moved to the midlands. He may be heading this way :o
This may be due to climate change and global warming
I moved to the top of a hill in Derbyshire ,just in case the ice walls melt etc
No man is an island, although you've got more chance of becoming one from the top of a hill, granted.
Cr@p. Our new place is already in a marsh. Any rise in sea level and I'll be needing me waders. ::)
Best build accordingly then :y
your mandatory rainwater soak-away should be fun ;D
rainwater harvesting :-\
make ground floor a wet room before nature does :P
Jimmy's new house! (https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=657&ei=x7UWXOXnI-_isAf3i5eYCg&q=house+on+stilts&oq=house+on+stilts&gs_l=img.1.0.0l10.2909.8455..12235...0.0..0.119.1001.14j1......0....1..gws-wiz-img.....0.gJ6R9bsY7ZU#imgrc=IxD-OQxkwOkQpM:) ;D :y
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Building on pontoons would be a viable long term plan ;)
and change your forum name to Noah :-\
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Are you Irish? It would explain a lot. ;D
No.
I think the explanation is probably that I am a lot more intelligent, better educated and and better informed than you.
But inexperienced. That's the only explanation for stating such a thing in a thread about the most contentious and unsolvable political problem for the last 3 decades. Although doing so in any political thread is a pretty daft thing to do.
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Rule One:
Don't feed the trolls.
Rule Two:
Refer to Rule One.
;D ;D ;D
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Five pages of god knows what that seems to have descended into trolling and troll bait, so.. going back a bit.
swmbo is asking me what we need to start stock piling first :-\
Bullets.
That works for me. :y
On Darius point 1. Mays agreement with the EU tears up/ breaches/ nullifies the good Friday agreement. It alters the status of Northern Ireland, and the good Friday agreement forbids that without the consent of the people of Northern Ireland. ;)
Did the good folks of NI vote in the Referendum? If they did then they must have made their intentions clear because surely they understood there would need to be a change/reversal of the Good Friday agreement at that point. Therefore they also voted to nullify the agreement. Problem solved.
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Five pages of god knows what that seems to have descended into trolling and troll bait, so.. going back a bit.
swmbo is asking me what we need to start stock piling first :-\
Bullets.
That works for me. :y
On Darius point 1. Mays agreement with the EU tears up/ breaches/ nullifies the good Friday agreement. It alters the status of Northern Ireland, and the good Friday agreement forbids that without the consent of the people of Northern Ireland. ;)
Did the good folks of NI vote in the Referendum? If they did then they must have made their intentions clear because surely they understood there would need to be a change/reversal of the Good Friday agreement at that point. Therefore they also voted to nullify the agreement. Problem solved.
OOOOOOO I love it when you're dominant, Aaron :-*
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;D ;D
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Five pages of god knows what that seems to have descended into trolling and troll bait, so.. going back a bit.
swmbo is asking me what we need to start stock piling first :-\
Bullets.
That works for me. :y
On Darius point 1. Mays agreement with the EU tears up/ breaches/ nullifies the good Friday agreement. It alters the status of Northern Ireland, and the good Friday agreement forbids that without the consent of the people of Northern Ireland. ;)
Did the good folks of NI vote in the Referendum? If they did then they must have made their intentions clear because surely they understood there would need to be a change/reversal of the Good Friday agreement at that point. Therefore they also voted to nullify the agreement. Problem solved.
The referendum result in itself had no effect on the agreement. The proposed deal however does. Despite the fact that the deal is claimed to be worded the way it is in order to preserve the agreement. ;)
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The border 'issue' and backstop are a scam. Nothing more than that. ::)
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Agreed. :y
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Has the EU blinked first ?
https://www.westmonster.com/eu-blinks-as-uk-ramps-up-for-no-deal/
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I had to laugh today listening to Vine on R2 when they were discussing the consequences of No Deal.
There was a female journalist from The Times who was preaching doom, gloom and the apocalypse, and a UKIP peer (Lord Pearson? :-\). As soon as he said that people were getting a bit hysterical about it all, she immediately became hysterical and was shouting over him, wouldn't let him speak etc etc ;D
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A lot of people ( so called experts , former mps, former pms etc) have made a lot of appearance money for tv shows. It really is in everyones interest apart from joe public for the show to run and run
I am trying to digest what the EUs no deal plans actually mean. There is one about uk pet passports not being recognised after a year ( from memory) . No doubt Britain will respond tat for tit. Bit awkward for anyone with a pet on their travels..... not many affected I know but might affect me and the mutt.
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I am trying to digest what the EUs no deal plans actually mean.
Yes the interesting one is that British hauliers will have to get permits to operate on the continent and there are only a small amount of permits available. :-\ Although they have announced a 9 month period of grace. ::)
I've heard this mentioned several times in the armageddon scenarios promoted by the re-mainstream media. Presumably though EU truckers will have to get permits also to operate in the UK, and there will be even less permits available as we are much smaller than the EU. This is never mentioned. ::)
How many Irish lorries cross our country on their way to the continent? ??? The government should give priority to hauliers delivering stuff before those just transiting. :y
I'm sure Mssrs Varadkar and Coveney will understand! :)
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So the way, I see it is at the end of March when we crash out of the EU all rights to the existing free trade agreement will end. ???
Do we have the infrastructure in place at our international gateways to clear the present levels of imports from euroland thru customs. I suppose the international air terminals we also fail to cope.
I suppose another way to look at it is, thousands of jobs will be created :y by international brokers & couriers in the stampede to keep the flow of goods into the market place.
Tarrifs will need to be pitched high enough to pay for all this or will they just pass the cost on to us via higher prices for anything imported :-\
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Stop whining ;D
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So the way, I see it is at the end of March when we crash out of the EU all rights to the existing free trade agreement will end. ???
Do we have the infrastructure in place at our international gateways to clear the present levels of imports from euroland thru customs. I suppose the international air terminals we also fail to cope.
I suppose another way to look at it is, thousands of jobs will be created :y by international brokers & couriers in the stampede to keep the flow of goods into the market place.
Tarrifs will need to be pitched high enough to pay for all this or will they just pass the cost on to us via higher prices for anything imported :-\
I really don't buy this guff about all the trucks coming into Dover having to be stopped and searched causing huge delays. ::)
At other big ports like Felixstowe, Southampton etc they physically check a tiny percentage of containers coming from outside the EU. Between 1% and 4% are figures I've seen quoted.
Lord Wolfson head of Next was on Andrew Marr a couple of months ago and in response to Marr's claim of food rotting on the docks due to customs delays, said that his containers coming from the Far East for Next were generally on the road to their destination within an hour of being unloaded from the ship. I think it's reasonable to assume that he knows what he's talking about. ;)
Have a look around your local supermarket and you'll find fresh produce from far and wide. Fish from Iceland and Vietnam, vegetables from Kenya, Ghana and Peru, fruit from South Africa and Costa Rica, salad from Israel, tomatoes from Morocco, flowers from Kenya. Non of these places are in the EU but we never hear of stuff from these countries rotting on the docks...
The obvious reposte to the above is that "Ah but these countries have trade agreements with the EU which we will lose" which may be true, but I'm sure that these countries will be keen to do a quick deal to keep trade flowing. As I understand things Liam Fox's International Trade Dept has 'Cut n Paste' agreements ready to go, pending further arrangements for these countries that the EU has FTA's with. :y
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Of course it may well be that the establishment makes sure that HMRC checks every truck coming into Dover, whilst taking their time about it as well, causing maximum disruption, delays and absolute chaos, prompting general panic and a clamour for a 2nd referendum to get us back in ASAP! :-X
Now what did I do with that tin foil helmet? :-\ ;D