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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Sir Tigger KC on 25 July 2021, 20:02:54
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I was in Wales last week where you still have to wear masks in shops etc, but came back to England last night where mask wearing is now voluntary, so I was interested to see what people were doing. :)
I stopped at Sedgemore services on the M5 southbound for a pee and a cheeky Macca's and out of habit had my mask with me but the majority of people weren't wearing them. Today I went to Tesco's where the majority of people were wearing them... ::)
To be honest I'm not bothered either way and don't feel oppressed or anything, so will always keep one handy and will wear one if requested to do so or find myself in a crowd in an enclosed place. Conversely, if I get to the supermarket door and realise I have left the mask in the car, I'm not going back for it. :P
What are you guys doing? ???
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I've been into B&Q a couple of time over the past few days. I did not wear a mask but there were more people, of all age groups, wearing them than not.
They're still mandatory at work.
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Nope.....no mask for me.
I would say about 60% of people still do, and carry more fear than perhaps necessary.
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I was in Wales last week where you still have to wear masks in shops etc, but came back to England last night where mask wearing is now voluntary, so I was interested to see what people were doing. :)
I stopped at Sedgemore services on the M5 southbound for a pee and a cheeky Macca's and out of habit had my mask with me but the majority of people weren't wearing them. Today I went to Tesco's where the majority of people were wearing them... ::)
To be honest I'm not bothered either way and don't feel oppressed or anything, so will always keep one handy and will wear one if requested to do so or find myself in a crowd in an enclosed place. Conversely, if I get to the supermarket door and realise I have left the mask in the car, I'm not going back for it. :P
What are you guys doing? ???
Requested by whom?
I don't tell anybody they can't wear a mask, and don't expect them to tell me I must.
What I do is none of their business.
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Masks here but only when we cannot socially distance.
Infection rates are half those of Scarborough ( 570) in our Spanish town. Malaga province has sky high infections but is still pretending to be open for visitors. Marbella ( 1000) should have all non essential business closed and no one in or out but the rules have changed…..
Is it really hard to wear a mask…… ? Answer after considering wearing it when it is 39C.
I still expect people to be wearing hoods that process air in 12 months time.
Wait till you have to produce a tatty piece of paper or you smart phone to be able to go in a shop, museum, concert or restaurant. Happening NOW throughout Europe.
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I was in Wales last week where you still have to wear masks in shops etc, but came back to England last night where mask wearing is now voluntary, so I was interested to see what people were doing. :)
I stopped at Sedgemore services on the M5 southbound for a pee and a cheeky Macca's and out of habit had my mask with me but the majority of people weren't wearing them. Today I went to Tesco's where the majority of people were wearing them... ::)
To be honest I'm not bothered either way and don't feel oppressed or anything, so will always keep one handy and will wear one if requested to do so or find myself in a crowd in an enclosed place. Conversely, if I get to the supermarket door and realise I have left the mask in the car, I'm not going back for it. :P
What are you guys doing? ???
Requested by whom?
I don't tell anybody they can't wear a mask, and don't expect them to tell me I must.
What I do is none of their business.
If I go into a shop, bank etc and am asked to wear one, I will.
I see a chiropractor every couple of months and it would be a bit rude to tell him to eff off if he asks me to wear one. ;D
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I've been into B&Q a couple of time over the past few days. I did not wear a mask but there were more people, of all age groups, wearing them than not.
They're still mandatory at work.
This must be confusing.
The law (Boris) says people are not required to wear a mask.
Heinz policy says you must.
Which would win in a game of top trumps?
Which approach would triumph in a court of law if Heinz sacked a worker for refusing to wear a mask?
Interesting stuff. :y
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Requested by whom?
I don't tell anybody they can't wear a mask, and don't expect them to tell me I must.
What I do is none of their business.
it is there business if it's their BUSINESS you get refused entry too for not complying with their request to wear a mask ::)
only 17 people died with SARS when that broke out because people listened, wore masks, didn't travel, social distanced and importantly SARS wasn't covered up for months
if you choose NOT to wear a mask most of the time then you should be considerate to people in shops who don't want your germs and are wearing a mask so they reduce the germs they spread
if you aren't bothered about catching Chinese virus because you think because you had 2 jabs that you are immortal then fair enough , some people can't be vaccinated for many reasons
wearing a mask in shops etc now is common courtesy to others
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Requested by whom?
I don't tell anybody they can't wear a mask, and don't expect them to tell me I must.
What I do is none of their business.
it is there business if it's their BUSINESS you get refused entry too for not complying with their request to wear a mask ::)
only 17 people died with SARS when that broke out because people listened, wore masks, didn't travel, social distanced and importantly SARS wasn't covered up for months
if you choose NOT to wear a mask most of the time then you should be considerate to people in shops who don't want your germs and are wearing a mask so they reduce the germs they spread
if you aren't bothered about catching Chinese virus because you think because you had 2 jabs that you are immortal then fair enough , some people can't be vaccinated for many reasons
wearing a mask in shops etc now is common courtesy to others
Since the 19th wearing a mask in a shop is down to the individual.
Some will......some won't.
It is called choice. :)
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I was in Wales last week where you still have to wear masks in shops etc, but came back to England last night where mask wearing is now voluntary, so I was interested to see what people were doing. :)
I stopped at Sedgemore services on the M5 southbound for a pee and a cheeky Macca's and out of habit had my mask with me but the majority of people weren't wearing them. Today I went to Tesco's where the majority of people were wearing them... ::)
To be honest I'm not bothered either way and don't feel oppressed or anything, so will always keep one handy and will wear one if requested to do so or find myself in a crowd in an enclosed place. Conversely, if I get to the supermarket door and realise I have left the mask in the car, I'm not going back for it. :P
What are you guys doing? ???
Requested by whom?
I don't tell anybody they can't wear a mask, and don't expect them to tell me I must.
What I do is none of their business.
If I go into a shop, bank etc and am asked to wear one, I will.
I see a chiropractor every couple of months and it would be a bit rude to tell him to eff off if he asks me to wear one. ;D
HIM?.......you missed a trick there, Tig.
A chiropractor should be blonde with big tits......no exceptions. :D
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Requested by whom?
I don't tell anybody they can't wear a mask, and don't expect them to tell me I must.
What I do is none of their business.
it is there business if it's their BUSINESS you get refused entry too for not complying with their request to wear a mask ::)
only 17 people died with SARS when that broke out because people listened, wore masks, didn't travel, social distanced and importantly SARS wasn't covered up for months
if you choose NOT to wear a mask most of the time then you should be considerate to people in shops who don't want your germs and are wearing a mask so they reduce the germs they spread
if you aren't bothered about catching Chinese virus because you think because you had 2 jabs that you are immortal then fair enough , some people can't be vaccinated for many reasons
wearing a mask in shops etc now is common courtesy to others
Since the 19th wearing a mask in a shop is down to the individual.
Some will......some won't.
It is called choice. :)
your local Turnip and sausage seller are probably more relaxed about such things than real shops in civilisation ::)
like i said "wearing a mask in shops etc now is common courtesy"
some people piss in the street , but civilised people use a toilet :)
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Requested by whom?
I don't tell anybody they can't wear a mask, and don't expect them to tell me I must.
What I do is none of their business.
it is there business if it's their BUSINESS you get refused entry too for not complying with their request to wear a mask ::)
only 17 people died with SARS when that broke out because people listened, wore masks, didn't travel, social distanced and importantly SARS wasn't covered up for months
if you choose NOT to wear a mask most of the time then you should be considerate to people in shops who don't want your germs and are wearing a mask so they reduce the germs they spread
if you aren't bothered about catching Chinese virus because you think because you had 2 jabs that you are immortal then fair enough , some people can't be vaccinated for many reasons
wearing a mask in shops etc now is common courtesy to others
Completely agree. Its not just about choosing your own level of risk. You could be carrying Covid unknowingly and breathing it onto highly vulnerable people, who could be dead in a month due to having caught it from your breath.
Swmbo is highly vulnerable, so I wear a mask when around people, so I dont bring it home.
She just doesnt go near people anymore.
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I still wear my mask everywhere I used to before 'Freedumb day'. It's no big deal, and most people look better with a mask on anyway.
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I was in Wales last week where you still have to wear masks in shops etc, but came back to England last night where mask wearing is now voluntary, so I was interested to see what people were doing. :)
I stopped at Sedgemore services on the M5 southbound for a pee and a cheeky Macca's and out of habit had my mask with me but the majority of people weren't wearing them. Today I went to Tesco's where the majority of people were wearing them... ::)
To be honest I'm not bothered either way and don't feel oppressed or anything, so will always keep one handy and will wear one if requested to do so or find myself in a crowd in an enclosed place. Conversely, if I get to the supermarket door and realise I have left the mask in the car, I'm not going back for it. :P
What are you guys doing? ???
Requested by whom?
I don't tell anybody they can't wear a mask, and don't expect them to tell me I must.
What I do is none of their business.
If I go into a shop, bank etc and am asked to wear one, I will.
I see a chiropractor every couple of months and it would be a bit rude to tell him to eff off if he asks me to wear one. ;D
HIM?.......you missed a trick there, Tig.
A chiropractor should be blonde with big tits......no exceptions. :D
That's my sex therapist! :y ;D
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I still wear my mask everywhere I used to before 'Freedumb day'. It's no big deal, and most people look better with a mask on anyway.
Yes they're handy when you get a big zit on your face! :D
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The sooner we all get it the sooner we can actually get on with more important things. :-X
According to Sippy Cup, once you have had both jabs you can never catch TCV. And if you are under 5 then you should always wear a mask. :D
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I feel more comfortable wearing a mask in shops etc.
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For the time being at least I will continue to wear a mask in shops/any enclosed spaces I might find myself in.Why take the risk at this stage of the game? To me this is not fear-something is going to stop the clock as a recent minor heart attack has highlighted-but as sensible precaution as I can manage to break the chain of transmission.
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Requested by whom?
I don't tell anybody they can't wear a mask, and don't expect them to tell me I must.
What I do is none of their business.
it is there business if it's their BUSINESS you get refused entry too for not complying with their request to wear a mask ::)
only 17 people died with SARS when that broke out because people listened, wore masks, didn't travel, social distanced and importantly SARS wasn't covered up for months
if you choose NOT to wear a mask most of the time then you should be considerate to people in shops who don't want your germs and are wearing a mask so they reduce the germs they spread
if you aren't bothered about catching Chinese virus because you think because you had 2 jabs that you are immortal then fair enough , some people can't be vaccinated for many reasons
wearing a mask in shops etc now is common courtesy to others
Completely agree. Its not just about choosing your own level of risk. You could be carrying Covid unknowingly and breathing it onto highly vulnerable people, who could be dead in a month due to having caught it from your breath.
Swmbo is highly vulnerable, so I wear a mask when around people, so I dont bring it home.
She just doesnt go near people anymore.
Albs's situation is an exact mirror of mine as my wife has type 2 Diabetes and a history of immune system issues., I'll happily continue to wear a mask , socially distance and clean my hands at every opportunity.
Even If she was not as described I would still cover and clean as a matter of social responsibility.
Today in Ireland the hospitality industry opens fully with the requirement to display your QR code passport to gain access to all eateries etc.
There's debates in all of the local Irish social media platforms stating that we are in 1930's Germany territory now , which is despicable , but whilst I would never refuse or deny the individuals right of choice I believe that a refusal to be vaccinated should carry caveats and have a cost to the individual within society as a whole .
I fully expect the anti vaxxers out in force today demanding to be allowed entry where denied.
If I cared , if I really cared ......I'd pass a law allowing pepper spray to used on them . :)
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Individual businesses have a legal duty of care towards their workforce/visitors to their site and can therefore set the parameters on what rules must be complied with-wearing masks/protective headgear etc etc-a worker who refuses to comply would then have to go through the process for disciplinary action/possible dismissal while a visitor to the site would be refused admission.
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We still wear the masks, we fully recognise it does not benefit us, but might help protect others, we are thoughtful and caring like that ;D
Its still a requirement at work to (a good thing), but they hav been very 'on it' from day 1 and consequently, there have been no significant issues
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Is it really hard to wear a mask…… ? Answer after considering wearing it when it is 39C.
Working conditions are primarily why no one at work wears one. There is the odd exception both individuals and places, but working inside an aircraft that's 30°+ with no airflow isn't one of them. Especially factored in with the ability to quickly and effectively communicate with each other.
The portable breathing devices you suggest is far fetched nonsense though, and if they have their own oxygen supply then that is helping to restrict the availability where it is genuinely needed. (21% of the atmosphere is oxygen, so you only require extra if you are unable to breathe properly).
As for having to demonstrate vaccination, that I have no problem with :y although I do appreciate that not everyone is able to be vaccinated, pregnant women for one, so for those people there has to be an accepted level of risk in what those people choose to do, so it would not be right if the so-called vaccination passports were used to victimise those who cannot or will not be vaccinated. That's the responsibility that comes with choice.
It may well be that in the not too distant future, children are routinely vaccinated against TCV along with MMR, Polio and BCG jabs. We were given the flu jab every year at secondary school, and unsurprisingly, every year half the school got flu as a result (this is why I haven't had the flu jab since I left school, and also why I believe that it isn't news that people can still catch TCV inspite of being vaccinated).
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Incidentally I don't subscribe to the belief/excuse that the vaccines are being used to genetically alter humans and don't see that as a reasoned excuse to not be vaccinated. It's a bit like arguing that you don't like custard because it's yellow :D
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I'm a bit undecided. :-\
I'm not and never have been a Covid bed wetter by any means, but there are plenty out there who are, so if I make them feel more comfortable wearing a mask in a shop then I guess it's not really a problem. ???
I've never worn one outside and am not going to start for any reason. :)
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Wear them in shops, don't go anywhere crowded enough to warrant wearing one outside.
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Is it really hard to wear a mask…… ? Answer after considering wearing it when it is 39C.
Working conditions are primarily why no one at work wears one. There is the odd exception both individuals and places, but working inside an aircraft that's 30°+ with no airflow isn't one of them. Especially factored in with the ability to quickly and effectively communicate with each other.
The portable breathing devices you suggest is far fetched nonsense though, and if they have their own oxygen supply then that is helping to restrict the availability where it is genuinely needed. (21% of the atmosphere is oxygen, so you only require extra if you are unable to breathe properly).
As for having to demonstrate vaccination, that I have no problem with :y although I do appreciate that not everyone is able to be vaccinated, pregnant women for one, so for those people there has to be an accepted level of risk in what those people choose to do, so it would not be right if the so-called vaccination passports were used to victimise those who cannot or will not be vaccinated. That's the responsibility that comes with choice.
It may well be that in the not too distant future, children are routinely vaccinated against TCV along with MMR, Polio and BCG jabs. We were given the flu jab every year at secondary school, and unsurprisingly, every year half the school got flu as a result (this is why I haven't had the flu jab since I left school, and also why I believe that it isn't news that people can still catch TCV inspite of being vaccinated).
Don't forget pregnant men.
I was recently berated by a twenty something boy/girl for my lack of inclusion. :y
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I'm a bit undecided. :-\
I'm not and never have been a Covid bed wetter by any means, but there are plenty out there who are, so if I make them feel more comfortable wearing a mask in a shop then I guess it's not really a problem. ???
I've never worn one outside and am not going to start for any reason. :)
It's all down to personal choice in the end.
In Lidl yesterday only about 30% were wearing a mask. The shelf stackers and girl on the till were not wearing masks. She commented that it was good to see things getting back to normal.
There is a proportion of the population who will still be wearing a mask 10 years from now, which is their prerogative.
Rather them than me though.
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I'm a bit undecided. :-\
I'm not and never have been a Covid bed wetter by any means, but there are plenty out there who are, so if I make them feel more comfortable wearing a mask in a shop then I guess it's not really a problem. ???
I've never worn one outside and am not going to start for any reason. :)
It's all down to personal choice in the end.
In Lidl yesterday only about 30% were wearing a mask. The shelf stackers and girl on the till were not wearing masks. She commented that it was good to see things getting back to normal.
There is a proportion of the population who will still be wearing a mask 10 years from now, which is their prerogative.
Rather them than me though.
We noticed it depended on where you go and hence also the type of person that tended to frequent the shop.
John Lewis - probably 90% wearing masks
Primark - probably 90% not wearing masks
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I'm a bit undecided. :-\
I'm not and never have been a Covid bed wetter by any means, but there are plenty out there who are, so if I make them feel more comfortable wearing a mask in a shop then I guess it's not really a problem. ???
I've never worn one outside and am not going to start for any reason. :)
It's all down to personal choice in the end.
In Lidl yesterday only about 30% were wearing a mask. The shelf stackers and girl on the till were not wearing masks. She commented that it was good to see things getting back to normal.
There is a proportion of the population who will still be wearing a mask 10 years from now, which is their prerogative.
Rather them than me though.
We noticed it depended on where you go and hence also the type of person that tended to frequent the shop.
John Lewis - probably 90% wearing masks
Primark - probably 90% not wearing masks
So it could be a class thing then. :D
My guess is that more remainers than leavers wear a mask......although I voted remain.
We may find ourselves in two distinct camps. The virtuous mask wearers and the ignorant uneducated'no maskers' which may broadly correspond with the reamain/leave divide. ;D
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Having said the above it seems that nobody sported a mask at Wimbledon, where the spectators would be primarily made up of wealthy EU remainers.
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I'm a bit undecided. :-\
I'm not and never have been a Covid bed wetter by any means, but there are plenty out there who are, so if I make them feel more comfortable wearing a mask in a shop then I guess it's not really a problem. ???
I've never worn one outside and am not going to start for any reason. :)
It's all down to personal choice in the end.
In Lidl yesterday only about 30% were wearing a mask. The shelf stackers and girl on the till were not wearing masks. She commented that it was good to see things getting back to normal.
There is a proportion of the population who will still be wearing a mask 10 years from now, which is their prerogative.
Rather them than me though.
Yes even before Covid, people wearing masks was a common sight in Asian cities like Bangkok or Hong Kong.
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Apparently SARS was a thing ::)
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I'm a bit undecided. :-\
I'm not and never have been a Covid bed wetter by any means, but there are plenty out there who are, so if I make them feel more comfortable wearing a mask in a shop then I guess it's not really a problem. ???
I've never worn one outside and am not going to start for any reason. :)
It's all down to personal choice in the end.
In Lidl yesterday only about 30% were wearing a mask. The shelf stackers and girl on the till were not wearing masks. She commented that it was good to see things getting back to normal.
There is a proportion of the population who will still be wearing a mask 10 years from now, which is their prerogative.
Rather them than me though.
Yes even before Covid, people wearing masks was a common sight in Asian cities like Bangkok or Hong Kong.
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Took our two eldest Grandsons to London in 2014 as they had never been, did all the touristy things but noticed that most of the Chinese tourists were wearing masks back then.
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Ugly bastards will be sorry to see the end of masks. ;D
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Ugly bastards will be sorry to see the end of masks. ;D
At your age, you really should start to own that ;D
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Apparently SARS was a thing ::)
Yep SARS came and went, and lots of Asians carried on wearing masks. We will see the same here as some will always see the mask as a sort of security blanket and will never give it up. :)
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Is it really hard to wear a mask…… ? Answer after considering wearing it when it is 39C.
Working conditions are primarily why no one at work wears one. There is the odd exception both individuals and places, but working inside an aircraft that's 30°+ with no airflow isn't one of them. Especially factored in with the ability to quickly and effectively communicate with each other.
It makes a mockery of the paying customers who watch the TV adds of all front of house ,flight crew and other passengers wearing masks yet the ground crew are running round unmasked in all the planes ::)
it's a good thing Doctors, nurses, care home staff , bus drivers etc CAN be bothered to wear masks ,even if it's "30°+ with no airflow"
still , as long as YOU'RE COMFORTABE ,what does it matter , it's only OTHER peoples lives at risk after all,
because you have had 2 magic jabs and are immortal ::)
The portable breathing devices you suggest is far fetched nonsense though, and if they have their own oxygen supply then that is helping to restrict the availability where it is genuinely needed. (21% of the atmosphere is oxygen, so you only require extra if you are unable to breathe properly).
filtered AIR fed face visors are nothing new , I was using one 30+ years ago , it filters out dust pollution etc, so not "far fetched nonsense " I imagine a few people will be wearing them to protect themselves from the fatal germs like Chinese virus being spread everywhere by selfish people who can't be bothered to wear masks in enclosed public places .
As for having to demonstrate vaccination, that I have no problem with :y although I do appreciate that not everyone is able to be vaccinated, pregnant women for one, so for those people there has to be an accepted level of risk in what those people choose to do, so it would not be right if the so-called vaccination passports were used to victimise those who cannot or will not be vaccinated. That's the responsibility that comes with choice.
It may well be that in the not too distant future, children are routinely vaccinated against TCV along with MMR, Polio and BCG jabs. We were given the flu jab every year at secondary school, and unsurprisingly, every year half the school got flu as a result (this is why I haven't had the flu jab since I left school, and also why I believe that it isn't news that people can still catch TCV inspite of being vaccinated).
so you have learned something then ;D
Vaccinations merely help boost your immunity to fight the disease , IF you are lucky , they don't stop you catching or spreading disease
Apparently SARS was a thing ::)
Yep SARS came and went, and lots of Asians carried on wearing masks. We will see the same here as some will always see the mask as a sort of security blanket and will never give it up. :)
SARS was well managed , people where forced to wear masks etc , that "security blanket" stopped it spreading worldwide and becoming a pandemic .killing millions
17 people died of SARS
it's a pity people didn't learn the lessons from SARS , like wearing masks ::)
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Ugly bastards will be sorry to see the end of masks. ;D
At your age, you really should start to own that ;D
I saw your picture when you hit yourself on the nose. I've got nothing to worry about ;D
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Eighteen months ago , most people would have laughed if I had said everyone would be wearing masks. You never know, we might be wearing some form of hood in 12 months time. Especially if the Chinese release Covid 2.0 - the real deal.
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We don't get many passengers or crew in the hangar... Besides now we have to test before returning from temporary furlough/days off (4 times in 8 days :-X), don't worry, won't be infecting anyone anytime soon.
And I have never said that being vaccinated prevents you from catching TCV. (or anything else you might be vaccinated against).
Whilst I respect the fact that some people will forever insist on wearing a mask to bed, I personally draw the line at Tescos.
NHS staff and anyone else working in health care, does so out of choice, and presumably they are contractually obliged to wear a mask etc at work. Many of the people not wearing masks in shops (before that was a thing) were usually care staff in uniform. Which is pretty poor when you consider that you're pretty much guaranteed to catch TCV in hospital :-X
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Ugly bastards will be sorry to see the end of masks. ;D
At your age, you really should start to own that ;D
I saw your picture when you hit yourself on the nose. I've got nothing to worry about ;D
There's that ;D
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Eighteen months ago , most people would have laughed if I had said everyone would be wearing masks. You never know, we might be wearing some form of hood in 12 months time. Especially if the Chinese release Covid 2.0 - the real deal.
Young people have been wearing them for ages round here, 'hoodies' I believe they call them.
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Went mask less around Tesco's on Sunday , no one gave a s**t
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Went mask less around Tesco's on Sunday , no one gave a s**t
Why would they? :-\
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I've been into B&Q a couple of time over the past few days. I did not wear a mask but there were more people, of all age groups, wearing them than not.
They're still mandatory at work.
This must be confusing.
The law (Boris) says people are not required to wear a mask.
Heinz policy says you must.
Which would win in a game of top trumps?
Which approach would triumph in a court of law if Heinz sacked a worker for refusing to wear a mask?
Interesting stuff. :y
ALARP
The principles of work place risk assessment.
Failure to follow reasonable instructions would be a disciplinary offence.
If there's one employee, that might have a compromised immune system, then the requirement for everyone to wear a mask is possibly reasonable.
You could argue that the masks needs to be the highest spec you can reasonably afford. Food and pharmaceutical companies, have been protecting the integrity of thier product for years by insisting on overalls, beard snooods, hats to cover long hair, ....
I went to work 2 days last week. Did I wear a mask? Only when not at my desk.
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Alot of what we do is set by the Airport, they have just adjusted their policy to compulsory mask wearing inside terminal/airport property when in passenger facing areas in the presence of passengers, or passing through security whilst giving us the freedom to wear/not wear masks in other areas.
What we do on site is largely dictated by customer policy.
Company risk assessment would have you believe that the only two dangerous things we do are catch TCV and reverse without a Banksman... ::) only one of those is long since prohibited by the Airport (it's not TCV) and the company policy gives no indication of how to deal with either situation.
Working with MEK in confined spaces is arguably more hazardous than either item, yet doesn't even get a mention... ::)
From next week, we're returning to working a full shift in turn, so four days on, twenty days off (assuming no extrs work) and will only be required to test once the day before.
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Company risk assessment would have you believe that the only two dangerous things we do are catch TCV and reverse without a Banksman... ::) only one of those is long since prohibited by the Airport (it's not TCV) and the company policy gives no indication of how to deal with either situation.
Working with MEK in confined spaces is arguably more hazardous than either item, yet doesn't even get a mention... ::)
reversing with a banksman is standard practice with large vehicles in tight situations, where there are people present, or where there is expensive and/or easily damaged equipment. Requiring a banksman is the simplest, most cost-effective way to dramatically reduce damage to property and people.
There's nothing arguable about the hazards of working with MEK. It's long been a common industrial chemical with lots of uses, so its effects and the methods and equipment to work with it safely are well established. Any effective solvent needs to be handled with informed care, and any employer who uses them is required to make that information available.
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Is it really hard to wear a mask…… ? Answer after considering wearing it when it is 39C.
Working conditions are primarily why no one at work wears one. There is the odd exception both individuals and places, but working inside an aircraft that's 30°+ with no airflow isn't one of them. Especially factored in with the ability to quickly and effectively communicate with each other.
It makes a mockery of the paying customers who watch the TV adds of all front of house ,flight crew and other passengers wearing masks yet the ground crew are running round unmasked in all the planes ::)
it's a good thing Doctors, nurses, care home staff , bus drivers etc CAN be bothered to wear masks ,even if it's "30°+ with no airflow"
still , as long as YOU'RE COMFORTABE ,what does it matter , it's only OTHER peoples lives at risk after all,
because you have had 2 magic jabs and are immortal ::)
The portable breathing devices you suggest is far fetched nonsense though, and if they have their own oxygen supply then that is helping to restrict the availability where it is genuinely needed. (21% of the atmosphere is oxygen, so you only require extra if you are unable to breathe properly).
filtered AIR fed face visors are nothing new , I was using one 30+ years ago , it filters out dust pollution etc, so not "far fetched nonsense " I imagine a few people will be wearing them to protect themselves from the fatal germs like Chinese virus being spread everywhere by selfish people who can't be bothered to wear masks in enclosed public places .
As for having to demonstrate vaccination, that I have no problem with :y although I do appreciate that not everyone is able to be vaccinated, pregnant women for one, so for those people there has to be an accepted level of risk in what those people choose to do, so it would not be right if the so-called vaccination passports were used to victimise those who cannot or will not be vaccinated. That's the responsibility that comes with choice.
It may well be that in the not too distant future, children are routinely vaccinated against TCV along with MMR, Polio and BCG jabs. We were given the flu jab every year at secondary school, and unsurprisingly, every year half the school got flu as a result (this is why I haven't had the flu jab since I left school, and also why I believe that it isn't news that people can still catch TCV inspite of being vaccinated).
so you have learned something then ;D
Vaccinations merely help boost your immunity to fight the disease , IF you are lucky , they don't stop you catching or spreading disease
Apparently SARS was a thing ::)
Yep SARS came and went, and lots of Asians carried on wearing masks. We will see the same here as some will always see the mask as a sort of security blanket and will never give it up. :)
SARS was well managed , people where forced to wear masks etc , that "security blanket" stopped it spreading worldwide and becoming a pandemic .killing millions
17 people died of SARS
it's a pity people didn't learn the lessons from SARS , like wearing masks ::)
We've been wearing masks for over a year now and yet we still saw the winter surge and the recent uptick in cases.
A few months ago Texas abolished all Covid restrictions amid much hysteria and predictions of catastrophe, but life has gone back to pretty much normal and yes they still get Covid cases and hospitalizations, but nothing like the numbers the doom mongers predicted.
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Company risk assessment would have you believe that the only two dangerous things we do are catch TCV and reverse without a Banksman... ::) only one of those is long since prohibited by the Airport (it's not TCV) and the company policy gives no indication of how to deal with either situation.
Working with MEK in confined spaces is arguably more hazardous than either item, yet doesn't even get a mention... ::)
reversing with a banksman is standard practice with large vehicles in tight situations, where there are people present, or where there is expensive and/or easily damaged equipment. Requiring a banksman is the simplest, most cost-effective way to dramatically reduce damage to property and people.
There's nothing arguable about the hazards of working with MEK. It's long been a common industrial chemical with lots of uses, so its effects and the methods and equipment to work with it safely are well established. Any effective solvent needs to be handled with informed care, and any employer who uses them is required to make that information available.
Not arguing either of those points ;) But I did find it 'interesting' that the company risk assessment included something that is strictly prohibited (and has been for decades) when there's literally 101 other things more deadly in the work place... :D
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I suspect most of the cases in Texas are walking in from Mexico :-X
But certainly, those States which reopened fully and early following the brief initial lockdown last year are effectively supporting the US economy. :y
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At the end of the day it's simply personal choice , you do or don't a pointless topic that could go on & on with all kinds of nonsensical "theories" being put forward.
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For the first 6 months we were told that masks are pointless as they have little or no effect.
With the virus as it now is masks are primarily a placebo/comfort cushion for people who (perhaps) worry too much.
If people didn't suffer with OCD before this all started they will now.
I however should be forced to wear one 24/7 as I've been hit with the ugly stick.......although not as much as Al and the scouser. ;D
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Not arguing either of those points ;) But I did find it 'interesting' that the company risk assessment included something that is strictly prohibited (and has been for decades) when there's literally 101 other things more deadly in the work place... :D
Where do you get the idea using MEK is prohibited? It, and many other far worse chemicals are in daily use for all sorts of jobs.
But the first requirement for using it is to do so in a well ventilated area so you don't breathe in the fumes. If that isn't possible, then either the method needs to be changed(which isn't possible inside an aeroplane) or the employer needs to supply appropriate PPE. Employing people who don't know better, and ensuring they stay that way, is not an answer.
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Not arguing either of those points ;) But I did find it 'interesting' that the company risk assessment included something that is strictly prohibited (and has been for decades) when there's literally 101 other things more deadly in the work place... :D
Where do you get the idea using MEK is prohibited? It, and many other far worse chemicals are in daily use for all sorts of jobs.
But the first requirement for using it is to do so in a well ventilated area so you don't breathe in the fumes. If that isn't possible, then either the method needs to be changed(which isn't possible inside an aeroplane) or the employer needs to supply appropriate PPE. Employing people who don't know better, and ensuring they stay that way, is not an answer.
I know it's not prohibited, we use it for pretty much all our NTF and tedlar work. ;)
The long prohibited thing I was referring to was reversing without a Banksman...
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For the first 6 months we were told that masks are pointless as they have little or no effect.
With the virus as it now is masks are primarily a placebo/comfort cushion for people who (perhaps) worry too much.
If people didn't suffer with OCD before this all started they will now.
I however should be forced to wear one 24/7 as I've been hit with the ugly stick.......although not as much as Al and the scouser. ;D
Possibly, but remember that,
even if vaxed, you can still carry the virus and spread it to other people, and none of the tests are 100% reliable.
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For the first 6 months we were told that masks are pointless as they have little or no effect.
With the virus as it now is masks are primarily a placebo/comfort cushion for people who (perhaps) worry too much.
If people didn't suffer with OCD before this all started they will now.
I however should be forced to wear one 24/7 as I've been hit with the ugly stick.......although not as much as Al and the scouser. ;D
Possibly, but remember that,
even if vaxed, you can still carry the virus and spread it to other people, and none of the tests are 100% reliable.
Yep....it's not an exact science.
Which I suppose brings us back to personal choice and individual assessment of risk.
Some people will take enormous risk.......others are frightened to step outside the front door in case they get hit by a bus....have a heart attack........hit by a meteor......shot....stabbed....etc etc. The list is endless.
It would be a dull and sterile dystopia if we were all the same. :)
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I've not read all the responses before this, can't be arsed
Droplet spread is very well known. Cough, sneeze, speach, even breathing project minute moisture droplets from nose and mouth. The droplets contain bacteria and viruses that may be present in the respiratory tract.
Even a simple very basic, single layer mask is an obstruction to some extent of droplet projection. Anyone that can't see this needs help.
Masks do not protect the wearer, they protect others from the wearer.
I will wear a mask whenever required and whenever I feel is appropriate out of respect for others. I am not going to get into fights about it.
Vaccines reduce the effects of the virus, they do not prevent infection. No other claim has been made. If you are double vaccinated you can still become infected, but you are much less likely to die or be seriously unwell. Every medication of any kind has side effects, even the humble aspirin. The nutters insist on all sorts of lunacy on this. People get blood clots even without vaccines.
There ya go. sorted.
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I've not read all the responses before this, can't be arsed
Droplet spread is very well known. Cough, sneeze, speach, even breathing project minute moisture droplets from nose and mouth. The droplets contain bacteria and viruses that may be present in the respiratory tract.
Even a simple very basic, single layer mask is an obstruction to some extent of droplet projection. Anyone that can't see this needs help.
Masks do not protect the wearer, they protect others from the wearer.
I will wear a mask whenever required and whenever I feel is appropriate out of respect for others. I am not going to get into fights about it.
Vaccines reduce the effects of the virus, they do not prevent infection. No other claim has been made. If you are double vaccinated you can still become infected, but you are much less likely to die or be seriously unwell. Every medication of any kind has side effects, even the humble aspirin. The nutters insist on all sorts of lunacy on this. People get blood clots even without vaccines.
There ya go. sorted.
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At last somebody with some plain old commonsense.
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I was working on a roof of a typical Victorian terrace house this sunny afternoon. :y
I had a good view up and down the gardens and there was nobody about, until.....
.... a woman three doors up came out to put her washing out ..... and..... I kid you not...... she was wearing a mask! ::) ;D
Bizarre.... :-\
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I was working on a roof of a typical Victorian terrace house this sunny afternoon. :y
I had a good view up and down the gardens and there was nobody about, until.....
.... a woman three doors up came out to put her washing out ..... and..... I kid you not...... she was wearing a mask! ::) ;D
Bizarre.... :-\
it might not be "her washing" ,could be for an unvaccinated relative , or someone else
she's not hurting anyone wearing a mask is she :-\
people not wearing masks in supermarkets ,shops etc potentially are ::)
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I was working on a roof of a typical Victorian terrace house this sunny afternoon. :y
I had a good view up and down the gardens and there was nobody about, until.....
.... a woman three doors up came out to put her washing out ..... and..... I kid you not...... she was wearing a mask! ::) ;D
Bizarre.... :-\
it might not be "her washing" ,could be for an unvaccinated relative , or someone else
she's not hurting anyone wearing a mask is she :-\
people not wearing masks in supermarkets ,shops etc potentially are ::)
No and I didn't say she was..... I did wonder about her mental health though. :-\
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I was working on a roof of a typical Victorian terrace house this sunny afternoon. :y
I had a good view up and down the gardens and there was nobody about, until.....
.... a woman three doors up came out to put her washing out ..... and..... I kid you not...... she was wearing a mask! ::) ;D
Bizarre.... :-\
it might not be "her washing" ,could be for an unvaccinated relative , or someone else
she's not hurting anyone wearing a mask is she :-\
people not wearing masks in supermarkets ,shops etc potentially are ::)
She could be damaging her own 'well being' by seeing danger everywhere when often where there is none.
It's called catastrophizing. Some people are overly anxious. :)
She may die of a heart attack before the dreaded lurgy comes for her. ;)
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I was working on a roof of a typical Victorian terrace house this sunny afternoon. :y
I had a good view up and down the gardens and there was nobody about, until.....
.... a woman three doors up came out to put her washing out ..... and..... I kid you not...... she was wearing a mask! ::) ;D
Bizarre.... :-\
it might not be "her washing" ,could be for an unvaccinated relative , or someone else
she's not hurting anyone wearing a mask is she :-\
people not wearing masks in supermarkets ,shops etc potentially are ::)
She could be damaging her own 'well being' by seeing danger everywhere when often where there is none.
It's called catastrophizing. Some people are overly anxious. :)
She may die of a heart attack before the dreaded lurgy comes for her. ;)
As we don't know why she was wearing a mask ,the state of her mental health , or what dangers where or not present at the time then maybe people shouldn't judge and assume anything
someone assumed they could keep quiet about leaking a deadly virus
look how that panned out ::)
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Maybe she kept forgetting to put it on, so has had it surgically attached. ;D
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Maybe she kept forgetting to put it on, so has had it surgically attached. ;D
na , there's no doctors available to do such procedures ::)