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« on: 18 March 2022, 17:40:04 »

Crikey that was brutal.

Another company on my boycott list.  Getting longer each day!
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« Reply #1 on: 18 March 2022, 17:40:59 »

Bunch of Tuesdays!  ::)
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« Reply #2 on: 18 March 2022, 17:54:52 »

Bunch of Tuesdays!  ::)

......and breathe. ::)
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Re: P and O
« Reply #3 on: 18 March 2022, 18:20:53 »

There's lots of posts on Social Media about this, it's P&O Ferries, P&O Cruises are a totally separate company and unaffected.
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« Reply #4 on: 18 March 2022, 18:24:57 »

There's lots of posts on Social Media about this, it's P&O Ferries, P&O Cruises are a totally separate company and unaffected.
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I believe they went their separate ways around 20 years ago.
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« Reply #5 on: 18 March 2022, 19:21:02 »

There's lots of posts on Social Media about this, it's P&O Ferries, P&O Cruises are a totally separate company and unaffected.

Still a bunch of Tuesdays!  ::) 
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Re: P and O
« Reply #6 on: 18 March 2022, 19:40:35 »

What they have done is blatantly illegal in the UK, but they are registered in Jersey so apparently can get away with it.
Disgusting imo.
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Re: P and O
« Reply #7 on: 18 March 2022, 20:00:24 »

What they have done is blatantly illegal in the UK, but they are registered in Jersey so apparently can get away with it.
Disgusting imo.
From what I can ascertain is that under UK law, the only part that is legally naughty is the fact they didn't go through a consultation with the European Works Council (or the post Brexit equiv, if there is one) due to it being more than 100 employees.

From what I can work out, the rest is just being plain nasty. Yet legal.
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Re: P and O
« Reply #8 on: 18 March 2022, 20:47:47 »

I dont agree. Its illegal to make someone redundant and immediately replace them. If someone loses their job for reason of redundancy, its because the job will no longer exist.
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Re: P and O
« Reply #9 on: 18 March 2022, 21:34:43 »

I dont agree. Its illegal to make someone redundant and immediately replace them. If someone loses their job for reason of redundancy, its because the job will no longer exist.
I agree
sadly a quick change of job title/name and slight change to job description/working hours etc , circumvents such measures .  :(
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« Reply #10 on: 18 March 2022, 21:46:55 »

More unexpected consequences of globalisation. Cheapest is best. :-[
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Re: P and O
« Reply #11 on: 19 March 2022, 10:16:23 »

I dont agree. Its illegal to make someone redundant and immediately replace them. If someone loses their job for reason of redundancy, its because the job will no longer exist.
I agree
sadly a quick change of job title/name and slight change to job description/working hours etc , circumvents such measures .  :(

Indeed, yes.  Employment law that I once had to professionally adhere to and enforce is very complex.  The power the employer has over the employee, or the reverse, is all dependant on the contract of employment that is enjoyed by the employee, and the legal boundaries specified.    It is all in the wording of that in accordance with the Employment Rights Act 1996, which keeps solicitors specialising in this area busy in a lucrative manner.

I had to ensure the issuing of the employees contacts specified the minimum of hours that the employee was going to work.  Any changes to that had to be agreed by both parties.  Now in 2022 zero hours contracts are perfectly legal, but in my opinion are immoral, so the employee has no rights to demand a minimum working week.

As for redundancy, there are all manner of ways that can be enacted but subject to the length of service of the employee, and the wording of their Job Description which should define what duties they are expected to perform.  The employer can legally decide that those duties coupled with the Job Description is now not beneficial to the business, not required, and therefore can make THAT position Redundant.  The employer cannot legally employee someone else to fill that previously made redundant position, but they CAN create a new role for the new, or even existing, employee, with a changed specified list of functions under a new Job Description.  Of course the company MUST pay, at least, the National legal minimum of redundancy, dependant on length of service, coupled with all outstanding holiday pay, although I would hope the Unions will negotiate a satisfactory level of redundancy pay commensurate with the employees employment situation.

P&O Ferries are doing just that, as my old company did, to save money and, it is always claimed, to improve the business model, thus potentially saving the business from failure and protecting other employees jobs.  P&O I note are creating “lesser roles and duties” to replace those 800 currently employed who are being made redundant.  Those employees have every right to then apply to be considered for the new roles, but P&O have every right to not re-employ them.

Regardless of the legal circumstances, P&O have handled the whole matter very badly, and have created for themselves a PR disaster.  This will no doubt badly effect the business, and negate whatever they were trying to achieve, which the Directors should be ashamed of and whoever of them made the decision for this action to transpire should be themselves be dissmissed.

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Re: P and O
« Reply #12 on: 19 March 2022, 11:43:30 »

"Any publicity is good publicity " so they say  :P

If Joe public needs to get from one side of a body of water to another ,whilst they might feel sorry for the EX P&O employees , Joe public will probably still use that P&O ferry ,because it beats swimming ,particularly when taking a car or other large item that's hard to tow while swimming  :P

If I was an ex P&O employee ,after how they treated staff ,I wouldn't want to work for them again anyway  ???

From P&O's point of view , making massive financial losses long term needed addressing ,the business was a "sinking ship"  ;D   :P   :-[   :-X   
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Re: P and O
« Reply #13 on: 19 March 2022, 12:15:25 »

What they have done is blatantly illegal in the UK, but they are registered in Jersey so apparently can get away with it.
Disgusting imo.
Not to mention that the parent company is based in Dubai and they have very different views on labour. Also, where are the ferries registered, as again, that has a bearing as well.

Not saying that it is right, because it clearly isn't, but the only technical thing they have done wrong is that they neglected, or omitted to inform the government.

You could argue that being UK based, the unemployed staff should have undergone a six month consultation process with the option to join the agency that now staffs the ships.

I do find it strange that no one had an inkling of what was going on though, because having the new crews lined up ready would have taken some organisation... You can't just rock up at a port with 800 foreign workers :-X
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Re: P and O
« Reply #14 on: 19 March 2022, 12:19:17 »


I do find it strange that no one had an inkling of what was going on though, because having the new crews lined up ready would have taken some organisation... You can't just rock up at a port with 800 foreign workers :-X


But that's exactly how lots of ships are crewed.
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