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[Varche]

Why have energy costs actually gone up?

Saw an item on uk news about dire straights of swimming pools. Costs of water, chemicals and heating have gone up dramatically. The end result will no doubt be more closures - maybe even a half. So an unexpected consequence will be lower health rates, more drownings in years to come from folk who never learned to swim.

In the 80’s I used to go once a week to the fabulous Victorian Erdington baths. Great memories. Scarborough doesn’t even have any public baths/ swimming pools any more . Only the place that costs something like £80 for a family to get in for the day

[Andy B]

Swimming pools have always been expensive to operate.

[Varche]

True but in a civilised country where do you draw the line?

Swimming pools?
Public parks?
Sports favilities

[Doctor Gollum]

Where to start? In no particular order...

In Spain I suspect that much of anything is being directed to the tourist hotpots in order to cater for demand and rebuild some semblance of an economy.

Shanghai port is effectively closed. This has a far reaching impact as it is tying up alot of shipping and container stock.

More locally, cross Channel routes are restricted in part due to P&O but this has forced traffic to other routes which means increased journey times.

Dangerous goods cannot use the Channel Tunnel and ferries are limited by quantities.

Some leisure centres haven't been fully open until relatively recently and many chemicals have a shelf life, so when the lock downs happened alot of things where destroyed and/or production stopped and as things have opened up, it has taken alot of time to ramp up production and rebuild stocks.

Oh, and apparently* there is a war going on.

*obviously this is actually happening and some of the impacts won't be felt until harvest time.

[STEMO]

Do you want us to send down some swimming pools? 

[Varche]

No you will need all of yours. Once they are gone you won’t get them back. Only as part of some waterworld  type enterprise.

Haven’t seen Much of anything directed at tourist hotspots. Spain generates a lot of electric from renewables and has just recently reached an accommodation with Morocco on gas pipeline from Algeria . Even so our electric has gone ballistic in terms of prices.

[LC0112G]

No you will need all of yours. Once they are gone you won’t get them back. Only as part of some waterworld  type enterprise.

Haven’t seen Much of anything directed at tourist hotspots. Spain generates a lot of electric from renewables and has just recently reached an accommodation with Morocco on gas pipeline from Algeria . Even so our electric has gone ballistic in terms of prices.

The price of gas (and oil) is set internationally. It doesn't matter where you buy it from, or whose countries it passes through en-route, the price per cubic meter it basically the same. If the world price goes up, the price you pay goes up.

[Sir Tigger KC]

No you will need all of yours. Once they are gone you won’t get them back. Only as part of some waterworld  type enterprise.

Haven’t seen Much of anything directed at tourist hotspots. Spain generates a lot of electric from renewables and has just recently reached an accommodation with Morocco on gas pipeline from Algeria . Even so our electric has gone ballistic in terms of prices.

The price of gas (and oil) is set internationally. It doesn't matter where you buy it from, or whose countries it passes through en-route, the price per cubic meter it basically the same. If the world price goes up, the price you pay goes up.

Except apparently in the USA, where I hear gas is about six times cheaper than Europe. 

[LC0112G]

No you will need all of yours. Once they are gone you won’t get them back. Only as part of some waterworld  type enterprise.

Haven’t seen Much of anything directed at tourist hotspots. Spain generates a lot of electric from renewables and has just recently reached an accommodation with Morocco on gas pipeline from Algeria . Even so our electric has gone ballistic in terms of prices.

The price of gas (and oil) is set internationally. It doesn't matter where you buy it from, or whose countries it passes through en-route, the price per cubic meter it basically the same. If the world price goes up, the price you pay goes up.

Except apparently in the USA, where I hear gas is about six times cheaper than Europe. 

Nope. US 'gas' prices here : https://gasprices.aaa.com/

The US govt are releasing some of their strategic reserve onto the US market to depress prices, but it's still averaging $4.07 a gallon for jungle juice, which is about 85p per litre. Ok that's still only a little more than half the price in the Uk, but a lot of that differenece is in tax.

[Sir Tigger KC]

No you will need all of yours. Once they are gone you won’t get them back. Only as part of some waterworld  type enterprise.

Haven’t seen Much of anything directed at tourist hotspots. Spain generates a lot of electric from renewables and has just recently reached an accommodation with Morocco on gas pipeline from Algeria . Even so our electric has gone ballistic in terms of prices.

The price of gas (and oil) is set internationally. It doesn't matter where you buy it from, or whose countries it passes through en-route, the price per cubic meter it basically the same. If the world price goes up, the price you pay goes up.

Except apparently in the USA, where I hear gas is about six times cheaper than Europe. 

Nope. US 'gas' prices here : https://gasprices.aaa.com/

The US govt are releasing some of their strategic reserve onto the US market to depress prices, but it's still averaging $4.07 a gallon for jungle juice, which is about 85p per litre. Ok that's still only a little more than half the price in the Uk, but a lot of that differenece is in tax.

I think we were talking about natural gas, not petrol.