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[fcc-pt]

Hello,

My Omega is making a strange sound... not very loud but it's not the usual smoth and quiet sound from X30XE!
Anyway, the mechanic suspects that the sound is coming from the timing belt or related. I really don't know but I'm sure that he goes towards this way and I'll have to buy a
proper timing belt. The one that stands there is from gates and was replaced at 30.000Km ago it's half way right?

What's your opinion about INA timing belt kits for 52£? Is it worse?
Or Dayco KTB397 Timing Belt Kit for 59£?
Gates / Contitech / Goodyear / Bosch ? Wich one should i go for?

Thank you.

[chrisgixer]

Oe suppliers were gates, conti and skf.

Service interval is 40k or 4 years, which ever is soonest.

Timing belt replacement means replacing the rollers and belt as a kit. NOT just the belt. It's the rollers and the bearings that fail, not the belt itself.

[05omegav6]

40k miles is 62k km... so 30k km is indeed about halfway on distance, question really is when was it changed? If nearly four years ago, then it is due on time

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Having examined the old kit that recently came off my Old Girl the other week, can say as per the OOF advice, every 40k and 4 years is the time. Mine had been on for approx 8-9 years (7 of those years SORN on the driveway). The pulley felt fine (done approx 27k), but the belt was showing signs of minor cracking all over when flexed. So under normal wear and tear, I'm sure the bearings/pulleys would have started failing after the 40k, but as proved, age does affect rubber, and the 8 years of age on the belt is showing.

As said, it's the bearings that fail. In theory you'd probably be fine leaving your original belt on for 80k... however, you get a belt in with the kit, so literally no point whatsoever in re-using the old belt.

It's the biggest cost on an Omega, approx £400 at a Dealer - but if you want to tackle it yourself (and it's really not a bad job once you've done it, I was surprised how easy it was) the advice on here is second to none. As you have found, under £100 will buy you a kit, half a day set aside will see you back on the road for another 4 years. Call it £25 per year, so not a terrible cost in real terms.

[Nick W]

If you think Vauxhall charge a lot for an Omega timing belt, Renault want £1100 for a V6 Avantime! They insist it's an engine out job, DIY says otherwise.

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Phew! No, indeed, it's not a bad price, really. As per a recent thread, given the time it takes to do the job, the money Vx charge isn't bad, really. Again, given that £120 (at genuine Vx prices) of that cost is in the timing kit itself, so the job/labour itself something like £280 of that £400.

To be honest, ok I've done one now, but given the time and faff and worry of getting something wrong, if someone came to my door and said 'Ill pay you to do my Omega timing belt' under £300 for a professional* to do the job doesn't sound terrible. Also at a Stealer you've lots of comeback if something's not right. Also lots of other garages simply will not touch the job.



*Whether we consider Vx Masterfit peoples as 'professionals' is for another thread, but we understand the context in which I mean this phrase 

[Kevin Wood]

Might be worth running it for a few seconds with the aux. belt removed just to confirm it's the cam belt.

Aux belt tensioner bearings can get noisy, and eventually fail and throw the belt off. It's not unusual for other ancillaries to get noisy either (alternator, water pump, air-con clutch, etc.).

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Actually a very good point, agree with Mr Wood. I heard a very faint whine from 'that area' - did the timing belt as it was due, but come to think of it, haven't checked if the noise has gone away - could well be the aux belt. Worth checking 

[fcc-pt]

Might be worth running it for a few seconds with the aux. belt removed just to confirm it's the cam belt.

Aux belt tensioner bearings can get noisy, and eventually fail and throw the belt off. It's not unusual for other ancillaries to get noisy either (alternator, water pump, air-con clutch, etc.).

Good point!
What about the timing belt kits?
I belive that a proper one should be around Gates or some high end brand such as Continental, SKF...
But I've found one of those really cheap from INA and DRAKO!
What can you say about those?

[fcc-pt]

Oe suppliers were gates, conti and skf.

Service interval is 40k or 4 years, which ever is soonest.

Timing belt replacement means replacing the rollers and belt as a kit. NOT just the belt. It's the rollers and the bearings that fail, not the belt itself.

The kit has about 4 years or so...
So it's time!

INA or DRAKO?

[chrisgixer]

Oe suppliers were gates, conti and skf.

Service interval is 40k or 4 years, which ever is soonest.

Timing belt replacement means replacing the rollers and belt as a kit. NOT just the belt. It's the rollers and the bearings that fail, not the belt itself.

The kit has about 4 years or so...
So it's time!

INA or DRAKO?

Never heard of them. I'd stick to the known good suppliers. Is it really worth the risk on components that could be so costly if they fail?

Depends on the value of the car and the depth of ones wallet, which are questions only you can answer.

But if your asking me personally, I'd only use gates conti or skf.

[fcc-pt]

I guess you're probably right.. I'm going with Gates!

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Again, never heard of them. (Heard of Drayco for belts, but no idea they did the whole kit) Only ever heard of OOFers using Gates or Contitech, and SKF (genuine Vx use SKF bearings, as does my Contitech kit) 

[fcc-pt]

Well they seem good...
And INA is a great brand!

Check the price!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/INA-530-0148-10-Timing/dp/B00DQDKGPW/ref=au_pf_sr_1?ie=UTF8&n=248877031&s=automotive&submodelId=3867
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dayco-KTB397-Timing-Belt-Kit/dp/B009ZQE0EM/ref=au_pf_sr_6?ie=UTF8&n=248877031&s=automotive&submodelId=3867

[Sir Tigger KC]

That's cheap. 

If you zoom in on the left hand pulley on the back plate picture from the Dayco link, and examine the stamp it starts off with SKF.  Which would suggest to me that this kit is using SKF pulleys and tensioners? 

[fcc-pt]

Exactly! 

[Kevin Wood]

That's cheap. 

If you zoom in on the left hand pulley on the back plate picture from the Dayco link, and examine the stamp it starts off with SKF.  Which would suggest to me that this kit is using SKF pulleys and tensioners? 

All cam belt kits I have seen for the Omega have had SKF branded bearings.

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Well hats off to fcc-pt for finding these, That's a massive saving over the Gates / Contitech that we've all been using - and to thinkI only bought mine literally the other week, after lots of research on here as where is best/cheapest etc!

[Sir Tigger KC]

That's cheap. 

If you zoom in on the left hand pulley on the back plate picture from the Dayco link, and examine the stamp it starts off with SKF.  Which would suggest to me that this kit is using SKF pulleys and tensioners? 

All cam belt kits I have seen for the Omega have had SKF branded bearings.

OK so that would suggest that these kits are a good buy? 

A quick google suggests that INA are OE suppliers to VAG. 

[fcc-pt]

Well hats off to fcc-pt for finding these, That's a massive saving over the Gates / Contitech that we've all been using - and to thinkI only bought mine literally the other week, after lots of research on here as where is best/cheapest etc!

Lol, well money is kind of short here!
But i think this Dayco is a great finding...

[fcc-pt]

Hey will drako fit my model?

Make: Opel
Year: 1997
Model: Omega B Caravan
Var: KD11Ver: 6A09VHECF5
Engine: X30XE - 2962 CC MV6
Fuel: Petrol - 155KW
Chassis Number:W0L0VBP35W1256966
Engine Number: 082 964 38

As I can see at the top of the page right beneath "This Fits Your:"
to Engine No.   08300418
Engine Code   X30XE
Driven Units   Driven unit: camshaft
Equipment Variant   >Mtr 08300418

I guess it does!
But accoarding to dayco page I'm not so sure...

http://web.daycogarage.com/catalogue/en-us/search-product-by-code?t=1&c=KTB397

What do you think?

[Sir Tigger KC]

I think so as you go by the engine code and number. 

So yours is Engine Code X30XE, Engine number 08296438.  The kit is for Engine Code X30XE and to Engine number 08300418. 

Disclaimer:  I might well be talking cobblers and someone else will come along and confirm or dispute this!   

[Marks DTM Calib]

INA is a very good brand (part of Schaeffler and also include the FAG brand), would not hesitate to use them but, there not that easy to source in the UK

[fcc-pt]

I think so as you go by the engine code and number. 

So yours is Engine Code X30XE, Engine number 08296438.  The kit is for Engine Code X30XE and to Engine number 08300418. 

Disclaimer:  I might well be talking cobblers and someone else will come along and confirm or dispute this!   

Yah I belive that too! It will fit, and if not there's a heavy hammer in the house 

[fcc-pt]

We are getting there so:

INA (German) or DAYCO (Use of SKF)?!?

[Sir Tigger KC]

INA is a very good brand (part of Schaeffler and also include the FAG brand), would not hesitate to use them but, there not that easy to source in the UK

A quick search on Amazon suggests otherwise.  This is for my 2.5. 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/INA-530-0148-10-Timing/dp/B00DQDKGPW/ref=au_pf_sr_2?ie=UTF8&n=248877031&s=automotive&submodelId=8117

These guys also. 

http://www.buycarspares.co.uk/car-parts/engine/timing-belt-kit

I've never thought about Amazon for parts before......   

[Marks DTM Calib]

INA every time.....more of a known quantity.

And you can fit the kit to any of the engine types IF you retain the cast tensioner baking plate and transfer the new idler and tensioner to it.

[fcc-pt]

INA is a very good brand (part of Schaeffler and also include the FAG brand), would not hesitate to use them but, there not that easy to source in the UK

A quick search on Amazon suggests otherwise.  This is for my 2.5. 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/INA-530-0148-10-Timing/dp/B00DQDKGPW/ref=au_pf_sr_2?ie=UTF8&n=248877031&s=automotive&submodelId=8117

These guys also. 

http://www.buycarspares.co.uk/car-parts/engine/timing-belt-kit

I've never thought about Amazon for parts before......   

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/INA-530-0148-10-Timing/dp/B00DQDKGPW/ref=au_pf_sr_1?ie=UTF8&n=248877031&s=automotive&submodelId=3867

[Marks DTM Calib]

INA is a very good brand (part of Schaeffler and also include the FAG brand), would not hesitate to use them but, there not that easy to source in the UK

A quick search on Amazon suggests otherwise.  This is for my 2.5. 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/INA-530-0148-10-Timing/dp/B00DQDKGPW/ref=au_pf_sr_2?ie=UTF8&n=248877031&s=automotive&submodelId=8117

These guys also. 

http://www.buycarspares.co.uk/car-parts/engine/timing-belt-kit

I've never thought about Amazon for parts before......   

Very recent addition to the UK market then, or of course being Amazon they could be coming from the continent

[Sir Tigger KC]

INA is a very good brand (part of Schaeffler and also include the FAG brand), would not hesitate to use them but, there not that easy to source in the UK

A quick search on Amazon suggests otherwise.  This is for my 2.5. 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/INA-530-0148-10-Timing/dp/B00DQDKGPW/ref=au_pf_sr_2?ie=UTF8&n=248877031&s=automotive&submodelId=8117

These guys also. 

http://www.buycarspares.co.uk/car-parts/engine/timing-belt-kit

I've never thought about Amazon for parts before......   

Very recent addition to the UK market then, or of course being Amazon they could be coming from the continent

Good news whichever!    The more reputable suppliers we can come up with the better. 

[Sir Tigger KC]

I'd still take Kevin's advice though and whip off the Aux belt to see if anything there is getting noisy before ordering the timing belt kit.   

Might just be the tensioner bearing needing some grease. 

[fcc-pt]

I'd still take Kevin's advice though and whip off the Aux belt to see if anything there is getting noisy before ordering the timing belt kit.   

Might just be the tensioner bearing needing some grease. 

I will, but a new timing belt kit at the shelf won't do any wrong, right?
I've ordered the INA one...

[Sir Tigger KC]

I'd still take Kevin's advice though and whip off the Aux belt to see if anything there is getting noisy before ordering the timing belt kit.   

Might just be the tensioner bearing needing some grease. 

I will, but a new timing belt kit at the shelf won't do any wrong, right?
I've ordered the INA one...

No, they can only go up in price especially if and when manufacturers cease supplying parts for Omegas. 

[fcc-pt]

I'd still take Kevin's advice though and whip off the Aux belt to see if anything there is getting noisy before ordering the timing belt kit.   

Might just be the tensioner bearing needing some grease. 

I will, but a new timing belt kit at the shelf won't do any wrong, right?
I've ordered the INA one...

No, they can only go up in price especially if and when manufacturers cease supplying parts for Omegas. 

That will be a shame sir, cause I love my omega

[fcc-pt]

So I've now runned about 1000km with INA timing belt kit and everything is ok!
Installation with no troubles at all... great kit. Recomended. All parts are SKF.

[chrisgixer]

Did the old kit show a reason for the noise?

[chrisgixer]

Tensioner, just seen your other thread. Bah!


All sorted then.

[fcc-pt]

No no no, the other tread you've read unfortunatly is before the gates kit. By that time, the timing belt kit was an original SKF and the noise was in fact the  tensioner.
The skf was repalced by a gates, I simply forgot about the noise because the car was been stoped about two years, but the noise remains after INA replacement. Anyway, the gates was in ok conditions but after opened (it had almost 4 years), I've replaced by the INA. I suspect that the noise is coming from the gear box...

[BazaJT]

INA kits are available from Eurocarparts now.

[Rods2]

If you haven't regreased the Aux-belt tensioner bearing, I would recommend that you do that anyway, as it is very easy to do and several people on here have had the bearing seize, which throws the belt and can cause other damage, not to mention a roadside recovery and needing as a minimum a new tensioner and belt!