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[eddie]

SWMBO has recently acquired a 'new' Ford Focus (1.8 TDi),a nice car compared to the Escort.
I recently had the Opportunity to take it for a drive and almost immediately nearly went for a trip through the windscreen.
The reason for this? The brakes, Being used to the Omega's brakes I was shocked at the sensitivity of the Ford brakes.
Reminded me of my old Citroen BX.

It got me to wondering how many times has an accident been caused by drivers being caught out by this difference in Brake set up?

Whilst many features of a car are standardised by legal means,i.e. light dimensions/positioning,emmissions etc etc. do you think that brakes should have some form of control as to the amount of pressure at the pedal required to provide a given amount of retardation?

I am a bit worried now in case SWMBO drives my car and runs into the back of some poor soul because 'the brakes didnt work' (as expected).

Any thoughts ??

eddie

[dbug]

Yep - don't let SWMBO drive your car - solved!!

[KillerWatt]

I am a bit worried now in case SWMBO drives my car and runs into the back of some poor soul because 'the brakes didnt work' (as expected).

Any thoughts ??

eddie

If your old lady doesn't realise (by the end of the road at the very least) that her Focus brakes are outperforming your's (in the "effort required to stop" stakes), then maybe it's time for a refresher course (for her).

[eddie]

Yep - don't let SWMBO drive your car - solved!!

She doesnt need to now !

eddie

[tunnie]

i hate driving mother tunnies other car, slightest feather on the brake pedal and it comes to a massive halt. Can archive much smmooother braking in the Omega. But stamp on those pedals and they don't half stop quick.

[p j morgan]

when i drive the wifes rover 1.8 it realy drives well the brakes are very sensitive .lot better than the mig but then again the rover is a lighter car .i still love my miggy better 8-)

[feeutfo]

I am a bit worried now in case SWMBO drives my car and runs into the back of some poor soul because 'the brakes didnt work' (as expected).

Any thoughts ??

eddie

If your old lady doesn't realise (by the end of the road at the very least) that her Focus brakes are outperforming your's (in the "effort required to stop" stakes), then maybe it's time for a refresher course (for her).

Not really the point KW. Can personally vouch for the differance in most of the ford range brakes and that of the omega. First time i hit the brakes in a mondeo i nearly gave myself wiplash. To use a Mark dtm phrase"typically over servoed ford brakes"

I did not agree with him at the time as i had just cone from mondeo to omega and was bemoaning omega brakes as being shite. (which they are with trade club pads) All depends on what your used to.

In terms of effect, its a bit like going from, four finger braking on a 125 with single disc and single piston caliper, then jumping on a litre bike applying the same pressure to a twin disc 6 piston per caliper set up then wondering why the brake light has hit you in the back of the head...( ! )
 
To the op, i would be extremely carefull swapping cars. Esp focus to omega.
 

I'm not saying that ford brakes are great, just very differant, and will need some practice to get the best out of them, esp coming from Omega brakes and more so with trade club pads fitted.

[Andy B]

..... and more so with trade club pads fitted.

Never had a problem with them. It does make me wonder though what I might be missing with 'real' vauxhal pads in though.   

[VXL V6]

..... and more so with trade club pads fitted.

Never had a problem with them. It does make me wonder though what I might be missing with 'real' vauxhal pads in though.   

While I agree that there is nothing wrong with TC pads, the OEM 'Jurid' pads are far superior in terms of pedal 'feel' IMHO. I have recently fitted the Jurid fronts and whatever the OEM rears are (Possibly Jurid as well) with new discs all round and I wouldn't go back to TC pads now.

[davethediver]

Can some tell me the difference between trade club pads and real VX pads, sorry to sound thick guys :-? :-? :-/

[Ian_D]

Can some tell me the difference between trade club pads and real VX pads, sorry to sound thick guys :-? :-? :-/

Hmm... I thought they were the same??? Just the price that changes isn't it?  :-? :-?

[feeutfo]

..... and more so with trade club pads fitted.

Never had a problem with them. It does make me wonder though what I might be missing with 'real' vauxhal pads in though.   

While I agree that there is nothing wrong with TC pads, the OEM 'Jurid' pads are far superior in terms of pedal 'feel' IMHO. I have recently fitted the Jurid fronts and whatever the OEM rears are (Possibly Jurid as well) with new discs all round and I wouldn't go back to TC pads now.

....its all about what your used to. All things are relative. Mondeo to omega with tc pads, you'll be shocked at the differance, promise you.

Same as you'll notice the differance in oe and tc pads. Not shocking, but as said, never again with tc pads for me. Budget comes into it but worth the extra, defo imho, thanks to omegatoy who recommended them.

To say "never had a problem with them" as is often the case on here, means nothing. You wont know you have a problem in the first place unless you try summat else.

Bit like saying copper slip stops ........ no i think we've done that one.   They aint cheap Mr B. But they are defo an improvement. Promise. :-)

[feeutfo]

Can some tell me the difference between trade club pads and real VX pads, sorry to sound thick guys :-? :-? :-/

Hmm... I thought they were the same??? Just the price that changes isn't it?  :-? :-?

Trade club are made of leather and priced accordingly.
 Oe, stamped durid?(jurid?) on the back, are what the omega left the factory with, made of a visibly differant compound no shamfer on the lead and trailing edges, work with less pressure applied to the pedal, with metal anti squeal shims riveted to each pad, but cost £70 odd with discount for a front axle set. Which is a shock.

Have recently found my local factors stock durid, i'll get round to ringing them for a price and availability one day. I know Kevin is not happy with his tc pads and is looking for an alternative afaik. If they can be sourced without going through vx, hopefully they will be cheaper???

[davethediver]

Can some tell me the difference between trade club pads and real VX pads, sorry to sound thick guys :-? :-? :-/

Hmm... I thought they were the same??? Just the price that changes isn't it?  :-? :-?

Trade club are made of leather and priced accordingly.
 Oe, stamped durid?(jurid?) on the back, are what the omega left the factory with, made of a visibly differant compound no shamfer on the lead and trailing edges, work with less pressure applied to the pedal, with metal anti squeal shims riveted to each pad, but cost £70 odd with discount for a front axle set. Which is a shock.

Have recently found my local factors stock durid, i'll get round to ringing them for a price and availability one day. I know Kevin is not happy with his tc pads and is looking for an alternative afaik. If they can be sourced without going through vx, hopefully they will be cheaper???

So it's unlikely that i still have these on mine then chris, i take it TC pads are what the stealers would fit if it went in for them changing.

Why wouldn't a stealers refit the same pads that a car left the factory with :-/

[feeutfo]

Can some tell me the difference between trade club pads and real VX pads, sorry to sound thick guys :-? :-? :-/

Hmm... I thought they were the same??? Just the price that changes isn't it?  :-? :-?

Trade club are made of leather and priced accordingly.
 Oe, stamped durid?(jurid?) on the back, are what the omega left the factory with, made of a visibly differant compound no shamfer on the lead and trailing edges, work with less pressure applied to the pedal, with metal anti squeal shims riveted to each pad, but cost £70 odd with discount for a front axle set. Which is a shock.

Have recently found my local factors stock durid, i'll get round to ringing them for a price and availability one day. I know Kevin is not happy with his tc pads and is looking for an alternative afaik. If they can be sourced without going through vx, hopefully they will be cheaper???

So it's unlikely that i still have these on mine then chris, i take it TC pads are what the stealers would fit if it went in for them changing.

Why wouldn't a stealers refit the same pads that a car left the factory with :-/

No idea tbh, price? never used a dealer for work. Would like to think a dealer would give you the option. Oe are easily spotted through the wheel spokes by the rivets holding the shims to pad body, and by using the brakes of course.

Most police spec mv6 i've seen have them. Unless the owner has had it a while and fitted tc pads.

Thing is, if you fit the trade club disc and pad front axle set, which is the cheapest way to buy discs i beleive, you get tc pads in the set. Which i find odd because ( some assumptions on my part from here on) there was talk that tc pads exist to be used with part worn discs. Ie, fit oe with new discs then once oe ware out, then fit tc due to the chanfer on the leading and trailing edge to cope with the groved part worn discs, assuming the normal 2 pads to one disc ware rate....? If thats true, and i'm by no means sure that it is true, why are tc pads sold with new discs in the tc disc pad set ?(probably because its not true )

Having driven with oe pads i'm suprised tc exist at all tbh. But then tc pads are what? £14 a front axle set is it? Or something like....