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[JamesV6CDX]

"You're under arrest, now put your hands on the car and prepare to die" 

Who is this clown 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-attenboroughs-producer-fergus-beeley-10858115

[Mister Rog]

"You're under arrest, now put your hands on the car and prepare to die" 

Who is this clown 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-attenboroughs-producer-fergus-beeley-10858115

Yeeeees, I saw this. Now of course there may some circumstance that we don't know about that went on, but he's still barking.

[STEMO]

There were no witnesses so police can't act, apparently. Video is very stop/start so obviously no good in court.
My take on the situation is: No witnesses, so he could easily have 'fallen over' while on his rant.

[Lizzie Zoom]

He will be the one under arrest now going on what can be heard and seen on the recording.  His police interview will be very interesting.

Hopefully he will lose his job

[Doctor Gollum]

He will be the one under arrest now going on what can be heard and seen on the recording.  His police interview will be very interesting.

Hopefully he will lose his job

Well, given as how neither party wanted to press charges, actually having said interview might be a challenge 

[STEMO]

He will be the one under arrest now going on what can be heard and seen on the recording.  His police interview will be very interesting.

Hopefully he will lose his job

This was three days ago, no police action so far. He can't 'lose his job', he's freelance and hasn't worked for the BBC for ten years.

[Lizzie Zoom]

He will be the one under arrest now going on what can be heard and seen on the recording.  His police interview will be very interesting.

Hopefully he will lose his job

This was three days ago, no police action so far. He can't 'lose his job', he's freelance and hasn't worked for the BBC for ten years.

Who said he would lose his job with the BBC?  Will anyone employ him after that madness?

Police action takes a time with all evidence being reviewed and victims / witnesses being interviewed.  Time will tell

[STEMO]

He will be the one under arrest now going on what can be heard and seen on the recording.  His police interview will be very interesting.

Hopefully he will lose his job

This was three days ago, no police action so far. He can't 'lose his job', he's freelance and hasn't worked for the BBC for ten years.

Who said he would lose his job with the BBC?  Will anyone employ him after that madness?

Police action takes a time with all evidence being reviewed and victims / witnesses being interviewed.  Time will tell

You carry on living in your own little world, Lizzie 

[2boxerdogs]

Heard all this yesterday on the radio , family involved want no further action against the fellow who " lost the plot " the lady was laughing about it feels the man has made himself look ridiculous.

[JamesV6CDX]

Just to clarify, personally I wasn't offering any opinion on whether or not he (or anyone) should be prosecuted, or on the reliability of the footage etc.

Just that he's a clown 

[Lizzie Zoom]

He will be the one under arrest now going on what can be heard and seen on the recording.  His police interview will be very interesting.

Hopefully he will lose his job

This was three days ago, no police action so far. He can't 'lose his job', he's freelance and hasn't worked for the BBC for ten years.

Who said he would lose his job with the BBC?  Will anyone employ him after that madness?

Police action takes a time with all evidence being reviewed and victims / witnesses being interviewed.  Time will tell

You carry on living in your own little world, Lizzie 

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  No one but you is allowed an opinion.  Everyone knows that and that is why, as I have stated before, so few now contribute to this forum.

For your information I am working on a hate crime case with the police that so far has taken five weeks of investigation. It is only now that arrests can be made.

As criminal offences have been alleged, it will be down to the police if they want to present this to the CPS.  The family do not necessarily need to do anything but give statements.

[STEMO]

He will be the one under arrest now going on what can be heard and seen on the recording.  His police interview will be very interesting.

Hopefully he will lose his job

This was three days ago, no police action so far. He can't 'lose his job', he's freelance and hasn't worked for the BBC for ten years.

Who said he would lose his job with the BBC?  Will anyone employ him after that madness?

Police action takes a time with all evidence being reviewed and victims / witnesses being interviewed.  Time will tell

You carry on living in your own little world, Lizzie 

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  No one but you is allowed an opinion.  Everyone knows that and that is why, as I have stated before, so few now contribute to this forum.

For your information I am working on a hate crime case with the police that so far has taken five weeks of investigation. It is only now that arrests can be made.

I'm sure you're being a very good citizen, Lizzie, but your hate crime has got eff all to do with this case. The couple do not want to take it forward and there were no witnesses.
If you don't believe that's the way it works, ask one of your policeman friends, while you're ridding the South East of undesirables. 

[Doctor Gollum]

You did read the article?

[YZ250]

"You're under arrest, now put your hands on the car and prepare to die" 

Who is this clown 
...

Lovely description. 

[STEMO]

You did read the article?

Yes, I did. If you're talking to Lizzie, please remember to quote. Thank you 

[JamesV6CDX]

He will be the one under arrest now going on what can be heard and seen on the recording.  His police interview will be very interesting.

Hopefully he will lose his job

This was three days ago, no police action so far. He can't 'lose his job', he's freelance and hasn't worked for the BBC for ten years.

Who said he would lose his job with the BBC?  Will anyone employ him after that madness?

Police action takes a time with all evidence being reviewed and victims / witnesses being interviewed.  Time will tell

You carry on living in your own little world, Lizzie 

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  No one but you is allowed an opinion.  Everyone knows that and that is why, as I have stated before, so few now contribute to this forum.

For your information I am working on a hate crime case with the police that so far has taken five weeks of investigation. It is only now that arrests can be made.

Not aimed at you in particular but I recently took a month or more away from this forum because I was sick of the regular bickering that seems to take place here. Seems nothing changes.

I was posting a light hearted thread. For a laugh. Can we not descent it into an argument. Please? 

[STEMO]

"You're under arrest, now put your hands on the car and prepare to die" 

Who is this clown 
...

Lovely description. 

A policeman once came up behind me with his truncheon out and said 'Spread 'em'. That turned out to be a night and a half. 

[STEMO]

He will be the one under arrest now going on what can be heard and seen on the recording.  His police interview will be very interesting.

Hopefully he will lose his job

This was three days ago, no police action so far. He can't 'lose his job', he's freelance and hasn't worked for the BBC for ten years.

Who said he would lose his job with the BBC?  Will anyone employ him after that madness?

Police action takes a time with all evidence being reviewed and victims / witnesses being interviewed.  Time will tell

You carry on living in your own little world, Lizzie 

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  No one but you is allowed an opinion.  Everyone knows that and that is why, as I have stated before, so few now contribute to this forum.

For your information I am working on a hate crime case with the police that so far has taken five weeks of investigation. It is only now that arrests can be made.

Not aimed at you in particular but I recently took a month or more away from this forum because I was sick of the regular bickering that seems to take place here. Seems nothing changes.

I was posting a light hearted thread. For a laugh. Can we not descent it into an argument. Please? 

All human life is here, James, bickering and all. It's just that some bickerers take it more seriously than others.

[Doctor Gollum]

You did read the article?

Yes, I did. If you're talking to Lizzie, please remember to quote. Thank you 

Like this you mean

I was, obviously, as it was the second time I implied the question. 

It was quite clear that you had, and she hadn't from what was posted

[STEMO]

You did read the article?

Yes, I did. If you're talking to Lizzie, please remember to quote. Thank you 

Like this you mean

I was, obviously, as it was the second time I implied the question. 

It was quite clear that you had, and she hadn't from what was posted

OK. You can rest your case now 

[Lizzie Zoom]

He will be the one under arrest now going on what can be heard and seen on the recording.  His police interview will be very interesting.

Hopefully he will lose his job

This was three days ago, no police action so far. He can't 'lose his job', he's freelance and hasn't worked for the BBC for ten years.

Who said he would lose his job with the BBC?  Will anyone employ him after that madness?

Police action takes a time with all evidence being reviewed and victims / witnesses being interviewed.  Time will tell

You carry on living in your own little world, Lizzie 

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  No one but you is allowed an opinion.  Everyone knows that and that is why, as I have stated before, so few now contribute to this forum.

For your information I am working on a hate crime case with the police that so far has taken five weeks of investigation. It is only now that arrests can be made.

I'm sure you're being a very good citizen, Lizzie, but your hate crime has got eff all to do with this case. The couple do not want to take it forward and there were no witnesses.
If you don't believe that's the way it works, ask one of your policeman friends, while you're ridding the South East of undesirables. 

Bullying and harassment took place in this case and that is a hate crime.

[2boxerdogs]

It was a minor RTA that took place , Police would not escalate that to a hate crime.

[STEMO]

It was a minor RTA that took place , Police would not escalate that to a hate crime.

If ranting and raving and being shouty is a hate crime...I'll come quietly, officer 

[Viral_Jim]

Lizzie, I don't believe that is true unless the bullying/violence is motivated by a specific factor such as gender/ethnicity, as below:
http://report-it.org.uk/what_is_hate_crime

Looking to the incident under discussion, the video clearly shows the guy being a thoroughly unpleasant human being, that said, I'm sure you could cut a video to make one party in an argument appear that way if you chose to. The fact that the "victims" have no desire to press charges might indicate all is not as it seems, then again it might not. If someone behaved that way to me and I hadnt provoked them, I certainly would be pressing charges, but we are not all the same.

Two groups of people being sh!tty to one another is not newsworthy, an un-provoked road rage attack by a current/former BBC production staffer on the other hand... apparently is.

[JamesV6CDX]

He will be the one under arrest now going on what can be heard and seen on the recording.  His police interview will be very interesting.

Hopefully he will lose his job

This was three days ago, no police action so far. He can't 'lose his job', he's freelance and hasn't worked for the BBC for ten years.

Who said he would lose his job with the BBC?  Will anyone employ him after that madness?

Police action takes a time with all evidence being reviewed and victims / witnesses being interviewed.  Time will tell

You carry on living in your own little world, Lizzie 

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  No one but you is allowed an opinion.  Everyone knows that and that is why, as I have stated before, so few now contribute to this forum.

For your information I am working on a hate crime case with the police that so far has taken five weeks of investigation. It is only now that arrests can be made.

I'm sure you're being a very good citizen, Lizzie, but your hate crime has got eff all to do with this case. The couple do not want to take it forward and there were no witnesses.
If you don't believe that's the way it works, ask one of your policeman friends, while you're ridding the South East of undesirables. 

Bullying and harassment took place in this case and that is a hate crime.

Bullying is not a crime per se in legislation.

Harassment is not itself a "hate crime".

It only becomes a hate crime if the motivation for committing it is based on certain prejudice e.g. Religion, race, gender, disability, sexual orientation to name a few.

Without those elements, harassment is not a hate crime.

Believe me, I need to know it ;-)

The official definition of what constitutes a hate crime, agreed between ACPO and CPS is:

"Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender."

[JamesV6CDX]

So, as far as the law goes. If STMO harasses me just because he thinks I'm a plonker - that harassment is not a hate crime in law

[Viral_Jim]

So, as far as the law goes. If STMO harasses me just because he thinks I'm a plonker - that harassment is not a hate crime in law

Plonker hasn't been registered as an official religeon then?  Pity, I know many who worship at that particular alter 

[STEMO]

So, as far as the law goes. If STMO harasses me just because he thinks I'm a plonker - that harassment is not a hate crime in law

I've never, ever harassed you, James. Asking for a few pictures of you in your uniform (well, half of it) now and again is just my way of being friendly. 

[JamesV6CDX]

So, as far as the law goes. If STMO harasses me just because he thinks I'm a plonker - that harassment is not a hate crime in law

I've never, ever harassed you, James. Asking for a few pictures of you in your uniform (well, half of it) now and again is just my way of being friendly. 

Our secret, hey?   

[Viral_Jim]

I've never, ever harassed you, James. Asking for a few pictures of you in your uniform (well, half of it) now and again is just my way of being friendly. 

Ste seems to be feeling frisky tonight. Either they've run out of peanut butter or the whippet's gone on strike 

[STEMO]

I've never, ever harassed you, James. Asking for a few pictures of you in your uniform (well, half of it) now and again is just my way of being friendly. 

Ste seems to be feeling frisky tonight. Either they've run out of peanut butter or the whippet's gone on strike 

My meds have kicked in, the horlicks will sort that out soon.

[STEMO]

So, as far as the law goes. If STMO harasses me just because he thinks I'm a plonker - that harassment is not a hate crime in law

I've never, ever harassed you, James. Asking for a few pictures of you in your uniform (well, half of it) now and again is just my way of being friendly. 

Our secret, hey?   

Ours and the hundreds of people I forwarded them to. 

[Mr Gav]

"You're under arrest, now put your hands on the car and prepare to die" 

Who is this clown 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-attenboroughs-producer-fergus-beeley-10858115

He sounds like John Cleese to me 

[ronnyd]

Looking at the "selfie" of the family involved, they don,t look too worried about it to me. Just a case of of the other guy having "do you know who i am syndrome"

[dbug]

He will be the one under arrest now going on what can be heard and seen on the recording.  His police interview will be very interesting.

Hopefully he will lose his job

This was three days ago, no police action so far. He can't 'lose his job', he's freelance and hasn't worked for the BBC for ten years.

Who said he would lose his job with the BBC?  Will anyone employ him after that madness?

Police action takes a time with all evidence being reviewed and victims / witnesses being interviewed.  Time will tell

You carry on living in your own little world, Lizzie 

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  No one but you is allowed an opinion.  Everyone knows that and that is why, as I have stated before, so few now contribute to this forum.

For your information I am working on a hate crime case with the police that so far has taken five weeks of investigation. It is only now that arrests can be made.

As criminal offences have been alleged, it will be down to the police if they want to present this to the CPS.  The family do not necessarily need to do anything but give statements.

Sorry Lizzie, but I don't understand how you can be working with the police on a hate crime case, when you obviously don't comprehend what constitutes a hate crime. 

As to the mental dickhead in the video, I agree with Mr Gavs comment 

[JamesV6CDX]

He will be the one under arrest now going on what can be heard and seen on the recording.  His police interview will be very interesting.

Hopefully he will lose his job

This was three days ago, no police action so far. He can't 'lose his job', he's freelance and hasn't worked for the BBC for ten years.

Who said he would lose his job with the BBC?  Will anyone employ him after that madness?

Police action takes a time with all evidence being reviewed and victims / witnesses being interviewed.  Time will tell

You carry on living in your own little world, Lizzie 

As criminal offences have been alleged, it will be down to the police if they want to present this to the CPS.  The family do not necessarily need to do anything but give statements.

This is not strictly the case. If the police feel there is sufficient evidence to charge a summary only or an either way offence,  and can show that

 A) There is a realistic prospect of conviction
 B) Its in the public interest to do so, and
 C) All proportional lines of enquiry are complete

They do not need CPS approval to charge a suspect with an offence.

The only exceptions (pasted from cps.gov website) are:

a case involving a death;
connected with terrorist activity or official secrets;
classified as Hate Crime or Domestic Violence under CPS Policies;
an offence of Violent Disorder or Affray;
causing Grievous Bodily Harm or Wounding, or Actual Bodily Harm;
a Sexual Offences Act offence committed by or upon a person under 18;
an offence under the Licensing Act 2003.

Essentially the worst offence that's taken place in this incident is (in legal threshold terms) a low level public order offence. It doesn't appear to have been motivated by prejudice of one or more of the criteria I gave earlier.

My two main points, based on the information currently made public about this incident, are

- Cps are unlikely to be required in any decision

- If the alleged victims don't wish to give statements, there's unlikely to be a realistic prospect of conviction and it's unlikely to reach court. They don't "have" to give statements or support any action, and can't be made to do so.

[aaronjb]

So, as far as the law goes. If STMO harasses me just because he thinks I'm a plonker - that harassment is not a hate crime in law

If? If? Is there anyone he hasn't harassed?

[Lizzie Zoom]

It was a minor RTA that took place , Police would not escalate that to a hate crime.

If ranting and raving and being shouty is a hate crime...I'll come quietly, officer 

Sorry STEMO for my posts last night.  I was rather off the boil as I have spent the last 6 weeks working (I am meant to be retired!) in my role as an adviser for the police in a very complex hate crime case.  As DG rightly guessed I had NOT fully read the Mirror article as the iPad I was using to read it on kept on freezing.  Harassment and bullying is a feature of my current (overall) hate crime case so I rather jumped to a conclusion, which is unlike me.

No, on considering the facts properly now a police warning would probably be the best outcome, if the couple wanted to press the matter, but they didn't.

[JamesV6CDX]

So, as far as the law goes. If STMO harasses me just because he thinks I'm a plonker - that harassment is not a hate crime in law

If? If? Is there anyone he hasn't harassed?

I once, when I was very young and naïve, met him at a train station and got in his car 

[Lizzie Zoom]

He will be the one under arrest now going on what can be heard and seen on the recording.  His police interview will be very interesting.

Hopefully he will lose his job

This was three days ago, no police action so far. He can't 'lose his job', he's freelance and hasn't worked for the BBC for ten years.

Who said he would lose his job with the BBC?  Will anyone employ him after that madness?

Police action takes a time with all evidence being reviewed and victims / witnesses being interviewed.  Time will tell

You carry on living in your own little world, Lizzie 

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  No one but you is allowed an opinion.  Everyone knows that and that is why, as I have stated before, so few now contribute to this forum.

For your information I am working on a hate crime case with the police that so far has taken five weeks of investigation. It is only now that arrests can be made.

As criminal offences have been alleged, it will be down to the police if they want to present this to the CPS.  The family do not necessarily need to do anything but give statements.

Sorry Lizzie, but I don't understand how you can be working with the police on a hate crime case, when you obviously don't comprehend what constitutes a hate crime.

As to the mental dickhead in the video, I agree with Mr Gavs comment 

Do not worry dbug I know very well the difference with much training in it and bullying and harrasment can be a factor in hate crime.

However, I have explained below how I was wrong due to a breakdown in communications, and me!

That's what happens when you get very tired!

[STEMO]

So, as far as the law goes. If STMO harasses me just because he thinks I'm a plonker - that harassment is not a hate crime in law

If? If? Is there anyone he hasn't harassed?

I once, when I was very young and naïve, met him at a train station and got in his car 

Don't come the innocent, you drove off in my car and that was the last I saw of it. 

[STEMO]

It was a minor RTA that took place , Police would not escalate that to a hate crime.

If ranting and raving and being shouty is a hate crime...I'll come quietly, officer 

Sorry STEMO for my posts last night.  I was rather off the boil as I have spent the last 6 weeks working (I am meant to be retired!) in my role as an adviser for the police in a very complex hate crime case.  As DG rightly guessed I had NOT fully read the Mirror article as the iPad I was using to read it on kept on freezing.  Harassment and bullying is a feature of my current (overall) hate crime case so I rather jumped to a conclusion, which is unlike me.

No, on considering the facts properly now a police warning would probably be the best outcome, if the couple wanted to press the matter, but they didn't.

 

[tidla]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv0onXhyLlE

Seen it all before

[Lizzie Zoom]

It was a minor RTA that took place , Police would not escalate that to a hate crime.

If ranting and raving and being shouty is a hate crime...I'll come quietly, officer 

Sorry STEMO for my posts last night.  I was rather off the boil as I have spent the last 6 weeks working (I am meant to be retired!) in my role as an adviser for the police in a very complex hate crime case.  As DG rightly guessed I had NOT fully read the Mirror article as the iPad I was using to read it on kept on freezing.  Harassment and bullying is a feature of my current (overall) hate crime case so I rather jumped to a conclusion, which is unlike me.

No, on considering the facts properly now a police warning would probably be the best outcome, if the couple wanted to press the matter, but they didn't.

 

Thanks

[dad1uk]

So, as far as the law goes. If STMO harasses me just because he thinks I'm a plonker - that harassment is not a hate crime in law

If? If? Is there anyone he hasn't harassed?

I once, when I was very young and naïve, met him at a train station and got in his car

Don't think I would advertise that James