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[Kevin Wood]

Likewise I cant for the life of me see the point,with the exception of the motor bike how can you not see all motors in daylight? and audis to me simply look dilly or some may say gay and often promote a chuckle in miggy's driving seat.For now I won't go on about BM's "Angel Eyes" now I ask you,for me more like "goofy eyes" Seriously I think on our heavy trafficked roads the motorcyclist will really lose out big time,just be another light lost among many

I agree. If I'm "pressing on" in the Westfield I often use dipped lights as it's a car with a small frontal area and dark colour.

What's more, I think lights on a vehicle that you'd otherwise be able to see perfectly well make it less easy to judge speed / size of the vehicle. Not sure I can explain why - maybe your attention is drawn by the pair of light lights and it's less easy to evaluate the size of the vehicle behind them and the rate at which it's getting bigger? I don't know.  :-/

Kevin

[Martin_1962]

It is and I go full beam & fog lights and that minimises the effect.

I'll wait for the thread about someone slamming on the brakes in front of you then

They shouldn't be dazzling other drivers

[aaronjb]

It is and I go full beam & fog lights and that minimises the effect.

I'll wait for the thread about someone slamming on the brakes in front of you then

They shouldn't be dazzling other drivers

Because they were lucky enough to buy a new car?

Give it a few years, then, and you'll have your main beam on all the time. Look forward to getting a tug from the police!

[Varche]

Interesting thread. If it saves just one life it surely has to be worth it. We live with congested roads and technology just hasn't kept up. DRLs are just a minor tweak. Not that I would like it but all motorway and main road travel should be computer controlled with only the local loop being "freestyle".

Is it law yet in the UK to have dipped lights on if it is raining? It is in Spain. Good law too.   

[aaronjb]

Must admit I don't have a problem with DRLs - they're bright but.. that's the idea, surely.

If everyone had half a brain then I'm sure we wouldn't need them; then again, bikers wouldn't need their lights on either if everyone was capable of using their eyes.

What does drive me up the wall, though, are the fog lights on new Mercedes - on the 4x4s, anyway.. you know, the ones that 'wink' at you as they're going round corners/roundabouts/etc. What's that all about? Bright as hell and when they're following you, they're basically flashing one fog lamp at a time at you - highly distracting.

[Lazydocker]

It is and I go full beam & fog lights and that minimises the effect.

I'll wait for the thread about someone slamming on the brakes in front of you then

They shouldn't be dazzling other drivers

The same could be said of your reaction though

Except theirs is as fitted, you are deliberately trying to dazzle them

[Lampynoiseboy]

Likewise I cant for the life of me see the point,with the exception of the motor bike how can you not see all motors in daylight? and audis to me simply look dilly or some may say gay and often promote a chuckle in miggy's driving seat.For now I won't go on about BM's "Angel Eyes" now I ask you,for me more like "goofy eyes" Seriously I think on our heavy trafficked roads the motorcyclist will really lose out big time,just be another light lost among many

Not that I'm a fan of anything with 2 wheels (segways excluded, the're on the pavement), but I agree completely

[Andy B]

I drive her Smart Roadster with lights on all the time. People just don't see it! Especially 4x4 owners  :-? :-? :-?

[Psychoca]

1. Do members feel they promote road safety?
Yes - makes the cars more visible especially this time of year with the poor conditions...

2. Would they consider retrofitting DRLs?
I personally would consider having the lights come on with the ignition

3. Where would be the best position for fitting DRLs on an Omega?

Normal dipped or side lights are fine


I know the argument will come with motorcyclists saying that they are losing an element of there higher visibilty, but, they can still wear flourescent hi-vis clothing.

Sadly, there are many motorists who drive around in the poor light conditions without lights, who get hidden by spray, mist and such...

[Andy B]

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Sadly, there are many motorists who drive around in the poor light conditions without lights, who get hidden by spray, mist and such...

This is something that always amazes me  :-? I get to work now just after it's got light, but see loads of people who obviously believe that cos they can see where they're going, they don't need their lights on. All around have lights on, including street lights, but they don't think they need theirs. Hence AUTO lights would have been a better fitment.

[Martin_1962]

It is and I go full beam & fog lights and that minimises the effect.

I'll wait for the thread about someone slamming on the brakes in front of you then

They shouldn't be dazzling other drivers

The same could be said of your reaction though

Except theirs is as fitted, you are deliberately trying to dazzle them

Problem was unless I was on full beam I couldn't actually see where I was going the pulsing LED rear lamps were buggering up my vision.

Basically some Peugeot convertable crap and a dog eater mobile both have this effect with me.

If I crash due to it - what happens?

BTW who flashed the Mercs with DRL fog lights until they realised what they were.

[hotel21]

Problem was unless I was on full beam I couldn't actually see where I was going the pulsing LED rear lamps were buggering up my vision......

In that case you are a danger to yourself and other road users and thus, should not be driving.

If you were to be involved in a collision and the above statement came to light then you would be up whatsit creek without a paddle, legal wise....

[Martin_1962]

Problem was unless I was on full beam I couldn't actually see where I was going the pulsing LED rear lamps were buggering up my vision......

In that case you are a danger to yourself and other road users and thus, should not be driving.

If you were to be involved in a collision and the above statement came to light then you would be up whatsit creek without a paddle, legal wise....

But how did these lights pass testing as it seems I am not rare in this?

Yes I am considering stopping night driving if they get too common.

I find I am OK on motorways and the like

Examples from a quick search.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=116387

http://thedrivingblog.com/2010/10/led-tail-lights-are-too-bright-need-auto-dim/

http://www.fun-led-light.com/tail-light-led.html

Currrently I know of two car models which cause this and if I get vision issues I WILL use main beam if I have to.

I am looking at taking this further as I believe that some LED rear lights are actually dangerous.

I will be asking my MP to investigate he is new and willing to please.

[tunnie]

just like with a low sun, don't look at the light, look at the road.

[hotel21]

Problem was unless I was on full beam I couldn't actually see where I was going the pulsing LED rear lamps were buggering up my vision......

In that case you are a danger to yourself and other road users and thus, should not be driving.

If you were to be involved in a collision and the above statement came to light then you would be up whatsit creek without a paddle, legal wise....

But how did these lights pass testing as it seems I am not rare in this?

Yes I am considering stopping night driving if they get too common.

I find I am OK on motorways and the like

Examples from a quick search.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=116387

http://thedrivingblog.com/2010/10/led-tail-lights-are-too-bright-need-auto-dim/

http://www.fun-led-light.com/tail-light-led.html

Currrently I know of two car models which cause this and if I get vision issues I WILL use main beam if I have to.

I am looking at taking this further as I believe that some LED rear lights are actually dangerous.

I will be asking my MP to investigate he is new and willing to please.

And until (if) you manage to get the law of the land changed, guessing you will continue to drive with uncorrected defective vision?

Whether you are in a team of one or several thousand, PLEASE get specialist help to rectify your vision issues and, until rectified, simply do not drive in the dark.

Ultimately, its your conscience if someone is injured due to you being present on the road and driving using your main beam control in the manner that you describe.  Its worse than simple stupidity, to be honest.  It involves malicious intent, to my mind, with total disregard for possible consequences.

Would be bad enough if it was one of your family that was injured/killed by your actions but possibly worse if it was that of someone else.....