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[hotel21]

if you OWN a tv, capable of receiving broadcasts, you need a license,  whether or not it is tuned in, connected to an aerial , you never watch it or what....   ...

what about if you owned an analogue telly in a  digital area and didn't have a set-top box? 

Cue entrance of M'Sieu Le Pedant......   

[Andy B]

if you OWN a tv, capable of receiving broadcasts, you need a license,  whether or not it is tuned in, connected to an aerial , you never watch it or what....   ...

what about if you owned an analogue telly in a  digital area and didn't have a set-top box? 

Cue entrance of M'Sieu Le Pedant......   

Oh cont-rare (sp?) It was a genuine question. If I had an old set I wanted to use for an XBox/game box etc would I need a licence for it?   

[hotel21]

Monge toot Rodders, monge toot..... 

Wonder if the OP has that combination?  Bet he or his other half watches Corrie or nobenders or udderdale or summat anyhow....   

[Andy B]

Monge toot Rodders, monge toot..... 

Wonder if the OP has that combination?  Bet he or his other half watches Corrie or nobenders or udderdale or summat anyhow....   

Pretty sure you technically need a licence to watch BBCi on your PC/lap top 

[Liberty_2012]

http://www.tvlicenceresistance.info/forum/index.php Good info on this site 

Legal framework : http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/foi-legal-framework-AB16/

[Mr Skrunts]

They can come in for a cuppa for all I care I'm not going to be rude to them, but I'll certainly point out that no TV is connected to any arials etc...

The fact that you own a working TV is a requirement for a licence.

I got caught many years ago, I used all the excuses in the world as I did not watch TV at the time but it was explained to me that if the mains lead was cut off at the set and the ***?? aeriel RF connector thingy had been removed then no licence required.

I then went for the PCTV card arguement and allthough she couldnt replay with a proper answer she swiftly asked, is it capable of recieving BBC1 or 2, I have paid a monthly fee from that day to this.

[Turk]

if you OWN a tv, capable of receiving broadcasts, you need a license,  whether or not it is tuned in, connected to an aerial , you never watch it or what....   ...

what about if you owned an analogue telly in a  digital area and didn't have a set-top box? 

Cue entrance of M'Sieu Le Pedant......   

Oh cont-rare (sp?) It was a genuine question. If I had an old set I wanted to use for an XBox/game box etc would I need a licence for it?   

au contraire

[paul.lovejoy]

going back about 10 years i never had a tv licence i never watched it just used the tv for dvds...someone actually came round in the end and i let them in they saw there was no airel feed to to the tv it was just connect to a dvd player. There was not actually a conectable airel cable to be fair it was just a cut off cable hanging out the wall

they never took it any further the guy actually said they could only take it further if he could proove i was able to receive the bbc on my television...how true that is today i dont know....have to have a licence now  i got a wifey tv is on all the time

[cleggy]

http://www.tvlicenceresistance.info/forum/index.php  Good info on this site 

Legal framework : http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/foi-legal-framework-AB16/

So I take it that you don't need a licence to watch IPlayer or other playback service

[Shelby]

http://www.tvlicenceresistance.info/forum/index.php  Good info on this site 

Legal framework : http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/foi-legal-framework-AB16/

So I take it that you don't need a licence to watch IPlayer or other playback service

I believe, if you have the means to watch TV, be that with a TV, PC, Laptop, etc. then you need a license.  I don't think it is required to watch things that are stored / streamed at the user request like BBC iplayer, if it was a 'live stream' of a BBC channel you would need a license.

This is where it gets horribly grey because it comes down to haveing the means to watch not if you actually do or not.  It's arguable but I can also understand (to a degree) why they went down that route.  If it stated that you have to actually watch it for the fee to be enforceable then obviously, everyone wouldn't pay and would just deny they watch.

[tunnie]

if you OWN a tv, capable of receiving broadcasts, you need a license,  whether or not it is tuned in, connected to an aerial , you never watch it or what.... 

Sorry Max, don't agree with that....

I've been considering ditching TV license, as I have to use Virgin Media at my flat. I rarely actually use their TV services, so considering removing that and going internet only on my package. (roof is rented to o2, so no dishes allowed)

To watch iPlayer, from their own rules state that if you are watching a VOD clip (Video on Demand) & not a live broadcast, you don't need a license:

http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/playing_tv_progs/tvlicence

                "You do not need a television licence to catch-up on television programmes in BBC iPlayer"

Now I can get SkyGo through my Xbox, which gives me around 50 channels at the moment, and around 500 movies, more channels due to be launched soon.

So that, plus ITV, C4, Five and iPlayers VOD services, I don't need TV License. Infact I very, very rarely watch live, its often a few days after its broadcast.

My flat was built in 1936, there is no internal wiring for a TV Ariel. So I am incapable of getting a digital or analogue TV signal, I would have to buy one and stick it on the wall outside (which is not allowed as its a listed building)

I also know quite a few people who have done the same & have been doing it for years!

[Kevin Wood]

if you OWN a tv, capable of receiving broadcasts, you need a license,  whether or not it is tuned in, connected to an aerial , you never watch it or what.... 

Sorry Max, don't agree with that....

I've been considering ditching TV license, as I have to use Virgin Media at my flat. I rarely actually use their TV services, so considering removing that and going internet only on my package. (roof is rented to o2, so no dishes allowed)

To watch iPlayer, from their own rules state that if you are watching a VOD clip (Video on Demand) & not a live broadcast, you don't need a license:

http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/playing_tv_progs/tvlicence

                "You do not need a television licence to catch-up on television programmes in BBC iPlayer"

Now I can get SkyGo through my Xbox, which gives me around 50 channels at the moment, and around 500 movies, more channels due to be launched soon.

So that, plus ITV, C4, Five and iPlayers VOD services, I don't need TV License. Infact I very, very rarely watch live, its often a few days after its broadcast.

My flat was built in 1936, there is no internal wiring for a TV Ariel. So I am incapable of getting a digital or analogue TV signal, I would have to buy one and stick it on the wall outside (which is not allowed as its a listed building)

I also know quite a few people who have done the same & have been doing it for years!

XBox requires a TV unless I'm mistaken, hence TV license required.

I don't think the argument that yes, you have a TV but there's no antenna connected, will wash.

This is where it gets horribly grey because it comes down to haveing the means to watch not if you actually do or not.  It's arguable but I can also understand (to a degree) why they went down that route.  If it stated that you have to actually watch it for the fee to be enforceable then obviously, everyone wouldn't pay and would just deny they watch.

On the other hand, there are many valid reasons for buying a computer, for example, that don't require a TV license. It's not a product specifically designed for watching TV, it can do a very poor job of it, like a mobile phone. I'm sitting in an office surrounded by the things. No TV license required here.

I had a period without a TV back in the '90's and kept getting increasingly threatening letters, worded on the presumption that I were a criminal. I sent a polite but very strongly worded letter back to them explaining that I didn't appreciate them wasting public money on a campaign of harassment. Got a written apology back, then decided to get a TV after all about 6 months later.

[tunnie]

XBox requires a TV unless I'm mistaken, hence TV license required.

I don't think the argument that yes, you have a TV but there's no antenna connected, will wash.

How does that work then? BBC are planning to release an Xbox iPlayer App soon, but its still same rules as iPlayer, VOD clips only = no license?

I could also state that no I don't have a TV, its a very large computer monitor 

[Kevin Wood]

I could also state that no I don't have a TV, its a very large computer monitor 

If it doesn't contain a tuner and you don't own a TV card, set top box, etc. then you might get away with it.

[Marks DTM Calib]

My understanding is that a TV license is required to view programs as they are broadcast.

This is true of all channels and includes programs broadcast across the internet.

This is also why the likes of iplayer are excluded as they are not viewed as they are broadcast.

The key thing to remember is that the license is not there to give you the right to watch the bbc (even though that is where most of the funding goes), its there to give you the right to view as broadcast media in the UK be it on a phone, Tv, laptop etc.