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Title: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Varche on 12 April 2021, 17:19:39
Over to the Iranians.

I thought it was some kind of Israeli action.

It will be interesting to see how Biden pans out in the next few weeks on this.
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 12 April 2021, 17:57:13
The Iranians have a number of serious enemies so anything is possible in this act of sabotage, if that is what it is!

This could be an internal act as well as an external one. Israel certainly could well be at the front of the queue in taking this kind of action.

Just wish our military had not been rated "not fit for purpose"!  We need them to be fully capable in all respects now, especially with our / USA nuclear response capability. ;)
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: STEMO on 12 April 2021, 18:49:03
If there's any sign that the Iranians are getting close to achieving a nuclear capability, Israel will stop all of these covert operations......and resort to air/missile strikes. Iran has promised to wipe Israel from the face of the earth, what would you do under those circumstances?
Israel would, obviously, seek approval and, possibly, military backing from the USA. But they would go ahead with or without that.


Why Iran’s nuclear facilities are still vulnerable to attack https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-55271429
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 12 April 2021, 20:07:20
If there's any sign that the Iranians are getting close to achieving a nuclear capability, Israel will stop all of these covert operations......and resort to air/missile strikes. Iran has promised to wipe Israel from the face of the earth, what would you do under those circumstances?
Israel would, obviously, seek approval and, possibly, military backing from the USA. But they would go ahead with or without that.


Why Iran’s nuclear facilities are still vulnerable to attack https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-55271429

Indeed, the Israelis have done that before, but against Iraq,  let alone working with the British against Egypt in 1956 ;)

The Israelis are just itching for a good fight, and yes against Iran you cannot blame them! ;D ;D :y

This Israeli hostility against Iran goes back years. ;)
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 12 April 2021, 20:33:35
If there's any sign that the Iranians are getting close to achieving a nuclear capability, Israel will stop all of these covert operations......and resort to air/missile strikes. Iran has promised to wipe Israel from the face of the earth, what would you do under those circumstances?
Israel would, obviously, seek approval and, possibly, military backing from the USA. But they would go ahead with or without that.


Why Iran’s nuclear facilities are still vulnerable to attack https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-55271429

Indeed, the Israelis have done that before, but against Iraq,  let alone working with the British against Egypt in 1956 ;)

The Israelis are just itching for a good fight, and yes against Iran you cannot blame them! ;D ;D :y

This Iranian hostility against Israel goes back years. ;)

Amended that for you Lizzie!  ;)
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 12 April 2021, 21:59:47
If there's any sign that the Iranians are getting close to achieving a nuclear capability, Israel will stop all of these covert operations......and resort to air/missile strikes. Iran has promised to wipe Israel from the face of the earth, what would you do under those circumstances?
Israel would, obviously, seek approval and, possibly, military backing from the USA. But they would go ahead with or without that.


Why Iran’s nuclear facilities are still vulnerable to attack https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-55271429

Indeed, the Israelis have done that before, but against Iraq,  let alone working with the British against Egypt in 1956 ;)

The Israelis are just itching for a good fight, and yes against Iran you cannot blame them! ;D ;D :y

This Iranian hostility against Israel goes back years. ;)

Amended that for you Lizzie!  ;)

Nicely amended Sir Tigger to the more correct statement ;D :y
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 April 2021, 02:20:11
The Chinese and Russians are quite steadily building a Socialist axis and Iran is another piece to their jigsaw.

Biden will have to act, ( the US military are with or without his leadership), whether he likes it or not. Certainly Australia and Japan are currently in the firing line, and they won't suffer US presidential inaction for long. Nor will the Americans in general.
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Varche on 13 April 2021, 07:36:18
Don’t forget Ukraine and Russia nearer to home. Clever ploy by Putin handing out Russian passports  to Ukranians. Europe ( and the world) will find it hard to argue with the concept of Russian troops defending Russian citizens as the occupy yet more of Eastern Europe.

We are back in uncertain times. It would be interesting to have Rods2 input on the subject(s).
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: STEMO on 13 April 2021, 11:26:45
Don’t forget Ukraine and Russia nearer to home. Clever ploy by Putin handing out Russian passports  to Ukranians. Europe ( and the world) will find it hard to argue with the concept of Russian troops defending Russian citizens as the occupy yet more of Eastern Europe.

We are back in uncertain times. It would be interesting to have Rods2 input on the subject(s).
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: LC0112G on 13 April 2021, 12:50:00
The US Secretary of Defence flew into Israel on E-4B (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-4) 73-1677, callsign Titan25, overnight on Saturday 10th April, arriving around 6am at Ben Gurion. This was a pre-announced visit, and was officially to discuss the Iran situation. Given that Sec Def was in country to discuss Iran whilst this was happening, I think it's unlikely the US didn't know what was going on.

Sec Def has since flown out to Berlin, and I believe is due into Paris, Brussels and London in the next few days to introduce himself to the European/NATO leaders, and discuss the Iran situation. It's uncertain whether he'll arrive at Stansted or Heathrow, but since I've seen 73-1677 several times before I'm not too bothered  ;D
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 April 2021, 13:03:50
Don’t forget Ukraine and Russia nearer to home. Clever ploy by Putin handing out Russian passports  to Ukranians. Europe ( and the world) will find it hard to argue with the concept of Russian troops defending Russian citizens as the occupy yet more of Eastern Europe.

We are back in uncertain times. It would be interesting to have Rods2 input on the subject(s).
https://youtu.be/iywKH60NUGg
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 13 April 2021, 21:05:20
It is strange that at least the mainstream TV news channels have not mentioned a thing about this incident :o :o

Is that due to censorship of some kind, or something else more sinister? ::) ::)

Maybe nothing in it, but................ ;)

Mention of the incident is though on the BBC World News online page :)

Perhaps someone or some thing wants to keep it low key.
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: STEMO on 13 April 2021, 21:37:28
It is strange that at least the mainstream TV news channels have not mentioned a thing about this incident :o :o

Is that due to censorship of some kind, or something else more sinister? ::) ::)

Maybe nothing in it, but................ ;)

Mention of the incident is though on the BBC World News online page :)

Perhaps someone or some thing wants to keep it low key.
You could try the link I posted to the bbc news site  ;D
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Varche on 13 April 2021, 23:10:49
It is strange that at least the mainstream TV news channels have not mentioned a thing about this incident :o :o

Is that due to censorship of some kind, or something else more sinister? ::) ::)

Maybe nothing in it, but................ ;)

Mention of the incident is though on the BBC World News online page :)

Perhaps someone or some thing wants to keep it low key.

Lost in the noise of death of Phil. Like a lot of stuff ( Cameron cronyism for example)
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: STEMO on 14 April 2021, 07:34:36
Loads on the bbc, another article this morning

Iran nuclear deal: Shadow of sabotage hangs over critical talks https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56716472
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 14 April 2021, 09:42:00
It is strange that at least the mainstream TV news channels have not mentioned a thing about this incident :o :o

Is that due to censorship of some kind, or something else more sinister? ::) ::)

Maybe nothing in it, but................ ;)

Mention of the incident is though on the BBC World News online page :)

Perhaps someone or some thing wants to keep it low key.
You could try the link I posted to the bbc news site  ;D


That link showed the interesting history building up to the latest "incident", but nothing about the latest attack, unless I missed something; not unusual now in my older years!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 14 April 2021, 09:44:48
Loads on the bbc, another article this morning

Iran nuclear deal: Shadow of sabotage hangs over critical talks https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56716472

Yes, but unless I have missed it in the news fog of HRH as Varche rightly suggests, not a word in any live BBC (or ITV) live news broadcast although it could become a major international issue. ;)
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: STEMO on 14 April 2021, 11:22:06
Loads on the bbc, another article this morning

Iran nuclear deal: Shadow of sabotage hangs over critical talks https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56716472

Yes, but unless I have missed it in the news fog of HRH as Varche rightly suggests, not a word in any live BBC (or ITV) live news broadcast although it could become a major international issue. ;)
That's because it's nothing new, they've been holing each other's ships for months, Israel has been bombing Iranian convoys heading into Syria or, if they got through, bombing them once there.
Blood on the rooftops, Genesis, 1976..."Let's skip the news boy, I'll make some tea
The Arabs and the Jews boy, too much for me"
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 14 April 2021, 14:38:22
Loads on the bbc, another article this morning

Iran nuclear deal: Shadow of sabotage hangs over critical talks https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56716472

Yes, but unless I have missed it in the news fog of HRH as Varche rightly suggests, not a word in any live BBC (or ITV) live news broadcast although it could become a major international issue. ;)
That's because it's nothing new, they've been holing each other's ships for months, Israel has been bombing Iranian convoys heading into Syria or, if they got through, bombing them once there.
Blood on the rooftops, Genesis, 1976..."Let's skip the news boy, I'll make some tea
The Arabs and the Jews boy, too much for me"

Yep, all very true :D :y
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Rangie on 14 April 2021, 16:05:55
Very worrying, so much so I've had to have a couple of extra beers🍺🍺
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 14 April 2021, 17:48:42
Very worrying, so much so I've had to have a couple of extra beers🍺🍺

Just beer? ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: STEMO on 14 April 2021, 17:50:42
If there was a proper war at least there would be something on the telly.
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Rangie on 14 April 2021, 17:53:43
Very worrying, so much so I've had to have a couple of extra beers🍺🍺

Just beer? ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Plus cheese  & onion toasties ,  I always eat when worried..😂
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: ronnyd on 14 April 2021, 18:05:01
Loads on the bbc, another article this morning

Iran nuclear deal: Shadow of sabotage hangs over critical talks https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56716472

Yes, but unless I have missed it in the news fog of HRH as Varche rightly suggests, not a word in any live BBC (or ITV) live news broadcast although it could become a major international issue. ;)
That's because it's nothing new, they've been holing each other's ships for months, Israel has been bombing Iranian convoys heading into Syria or, if they got through, bombing them once there.
Blood on the rooftops, Genesis, 1976..."Let's skip the news boy, I'll make some tea
The Arabs and the Jews boy, too much for me"
Wind & Wuthering, a great album.  :y
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: STEMO on 14 April 2021, 18:11:18
Loads on the bbc, another article this morning

Iran nuclear deal: Shadow of sabotage hangs over critical talks https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56716472

Yes, but unless I have missed it in the news fog of HRH as Varche rightly suggests, not a word in any live BBC (or ITV) live news broadcast although it could become a major international issue. ;)
That's because it's nothing new, they've been holing each other's ships for months, Israel has been bombing Iranian convoys heading into Syria or, if they got through, bombing them once there.
Blood on the rooftops, Genesis, 1976..."Let's skip the news boy, I'll make some tea
The Arabs and the Jews boy, too much for me"
Wind & Wuthering, a great album.  :y
I thought they actually improved when Peter Gabriel went his own way and Phil Collins stepped up.  Peter Gabriel was brilliant too, of course.
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Rangie on 14 April 2021, 18:17:53
Won some tickets in 1989 to see Phil Collins in concert but I sold them as I had just changed jobs & couldn't get the time off, one of my biggest regrets.
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 14 April 2021, 18:25:27
Very worrying, so much so I've had to have a couple of extra beers🍺🍺

Just beer? ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Plus cheese  & onion toasties ,  I always eat when worried..😂

Yum yum 8) 8) ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Natanz nuclear site
Post by: ronnyd on 14 April 2021, 19:46:36
Loads on the bbc, another article this morning

Iran nuclear deal: Shadow of sabotage hangs over critical talks https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56716472

Yes, but unless I have missed it in the news fog of HRH as Varche rightly suggests, not a word in any live BBC (or ITV) live news broadcast although it could become a major international issue. ;)
That's because it's nothing new, they've been holing each other's ships for months, Israel has been bombing Iranian convoys heading into Syria or, if they got through, bombing them once there.
Blood on the rooftops, Genesis, 1976..."Let's skip the news boy, I'll make some tea
The Arabs and the Jews boy, too much for me"
Wind & Wuthering, a great album.  :y
I thought they actually improved when Peter Gabriel went his own way and Phil Collins stepped up.  Peter Gabriel was brilliant too, of course.
I think the other way Steve. To me the loss of Gabriel and Steve Hackett started a slow process of decline. Their first 2 albums after that were good but then it started to get too commercial for me.