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Title: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 December 2016, 12:13:30
I'm considering buying one of these with paired CID. No mention of telematics with it though, so am I correct in thinking it will then be exactly the same as an NCDC 2013 ?
If I wanted to, could I add the telematics unit later, or are they also paired to the headunit and screen?
The CID has a very fine blue line running down the screen. It barely noticeable, but is that a sign that the screen is living on borrowed time ?
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: zirk on 20 December 2016, 14:35:23
The NCDC 2013 unit is designed for the GID and CID without the Telematics Unit, the NCDC 2015 was designed Foe GID/CID and Telematics Unit, main difference was Facia panel and Buttons are different for the Phone Functions and yes they are all paired together.

So in a nut 2013 wont come with Phone, 2015 should have the phone unit, if your thinking about adding a Telematics at a later stage to the 2015 your need all the correct Pairing Codes and ideally the telematics needs to be in Delivery Mode or Depaired correctly from where ever it came from.

If the CID has a fault already (Blue line as you say) then its probably on borrowed time in my opinion.

Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 December 2016, 15:19:04
Its a NCDC 2015 / CID without the telematics unit. Will it work ok, effectively just like a 2013, without the telematics unit ?
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: RobG on 20 December 2016, 15:21:24
Its a NCDC 2015 / CID without the telematics unit. Will it work ok, effectively just like a 2013, without the telematics unit ?
Yep. Providing you don`t bust the 12-pin RGB plug when connecting :P
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 20 December 2016, 17:14:58
Its a NCDC 2015 / CID without the telematics unit. Will it work ok, effectively just like a 2013, without the telematics unit ?
Not exactly the same, not "out of the box". But will work just like a NCDC2015/CID but none of the phone functions will work.

But as the CID isn't looking that great, what are you trying to achieve?
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 December 2016, 17:28:44
Its a NCDC 2015 / CID without the telematics unit. Will it work ok, effectively just like a 2013, without the telematics unit ?
Not exactly the same, not "out of the box". But will work just like a NCDC2015/CID but none of the phone functions will work.

But as the CID isn't looking that great, what are you trying to achieve?

You do like to confuse me with those cryptic replies.  ;D
Im trying to achieve having a colour screen rather than mono, as it looks so much better.
Just had a thought. Do I need to check its Bose enabled, or were they all Bose enabled anyway ?
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 20 December 2016, 17:34:32
It must have come from an Omega, as the NCDC2015 was only otherwise fitted to Vectra/Signum, and that would be with an incompatible screen.

Fairly certain it was only offered (as an option) on Elites.  Thus likely to have Bose.  Its a tech2 job to turn bose on and off, all are Bose-able
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 December 2016, 17:38:07
Yep, came from an Omega. Will double check about the Bose though, as knowing my luck it would be the only non Bose one ever made. ;D
Do you have an opinion on the fine blue line that runs down the screen ?
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 20 December 2016, 17:38:59
NCDC2013 and NCDC2015 are identical except for the legends on some buttons.  Its a tech2 job to switch between them.  A NCDC2015 configurd as a NCDC2013 will obviously have some of the buttons doing strange things - eg, the green phone symbol will normally dial the dialled number on a 2015, but will tell the Satnav to navigate you home on a 2015 configured as a 2013. On a 2013, that button has a Home legend.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 20 December 2016, 17:43:40
Yep, came from an Omega. Will double check about the Bose though, as knowing my luck it would be the only non Bose one ever made. ;D
Do you have an opinion on the fine blue line that runs down the screen ?
Is it over the black parts of the screen as well (eg when unit is off, but ign on, so Vauxhall logo is displayed)?

Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: RobG on 20 December 2016, 17:49:41
(https://a.d-cd.net/2076c18s-960.jpg)


(http://hardwarekiller.bplaced.net/NCDC2013.jpg)
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 December 2016, 17:51:50
So the repeat and info buttons are replaced by SOS and OnStar buttons ?
Don't remember using the repeat and info buttons on mine, so probably wont miss them.  :D
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 December 2016, 17:57:20
Yep, came from an Omega. Will double check about the Bose though, as knowing my luck it would be the only non Bose one ever made. ;D
Do you have an opinion on the fine blue line that runs down the screen ?
Is it over the black parts of the screen as well (eg when unit is off, but ign on, so Vauxhall logo is displayed)?

Don't know, but can ask. Link to said unit below.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222330947901?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 20 December 2016, 18:01:11
Yep, came from an Omega. Will double check about the Bose though, as knowing my luck it would be the only non Bose one ever made. ;D
Do you have an opinion on the fine blue line that runs down the screen ?
Is it over the black parts of the screen as well (eg when unit is off, but ign on, so Vauxhall logo is displayed)?

Don't know, but can ask. Link to said unit below.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222330947901?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I'd say that is probably driver board, as its there all the time, but could be LCD panel.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 December 2016, 18:03:38
I suppose it could go pete tong tomorrow, or last for years ?
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 20 December 2016, 18:05:16
I suppose it could go pete tong tomorrow, or last for years ?
You could say that for one not exhibiting any issues.

Seems pricey for one with such a fault to me.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 December 2016, 18:08:56
Cheers. May try and  negotiate on the price.  :y
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: RobG on 20 December 2016, 18:09:37
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removed from my Vauxhall Omega before selling

You sure it was from "my" Omega? Feedback suggests he was into Astras :-\
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 December 2016, 18:19:18
Yeh, I noticed that too. Doesn't really matter though if it works. Depends how long it works for I suppose.  ;D
If I buy it, I will keep my old 2013 / GID so I can replace it if it fails.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: VXL V6 on 20 December 2016, 18:41:49
So the repeat and info buttons are replaced by SOS and OnStar buttons ?
Don't remember using the repeat and info buttons on mine, so probably wont miss them.  :D
...and TP, AS, Home etc.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: VXL V6 on 20 December 2016, 18:42:54
You could still get the Sharp LQ panel from the States the last time I checked.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: powerslinky on 20 December 2016, 21:03:32
Seems a bit steep to me  . .bearing in mind it has that screen fault  . . . .  IMO all of these units are getting well past there best .   

So "you pays your money and takes your chance" as they say   :-\ :-\  bit of negotiation ;) ;) on the price maybe Albs
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: zirk on 21 December 2016, 00:50:51
Its a NCDC 2015 / CID without the telematics unit. Will it work ok, effectively just like a 2013, without the telematics unit ?
Ive had one of them with a missing telematics, did work, but this one kept bleeping and displaying Safe Mode at me when it was used only in CD or Nav operation, other than that was fine.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: zirk on 21 December 2016, 01:05:47
Yep, came from an Omega. Will double check about the Bose though, as knowing my luck it would be the only non Bose one ever made. ;D
Do you have an opinion on the fine blue line that runs down the screen ?
Towards of the Omega life they were knocking them out in 2.6 and 3.2 MV6's (non Bose), most were 2013 but Ive come across a one or two 2015 with Telematics on the MV6's.

As said, not a problem to configure either way but again your need the original Code. If its from a Vectra or Astra its probably game over tbh.

Personally if it has screen faults, and or comes without the original Code Pass, I would hold out a bit longer for another one to come up, unless youve got an open budget for possible future fixes.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 21 December 2016, 07:18:04
They don't seem to come up very often, and 5 years ago were selling for £400+ second hand.
I have access to more electronic expertise than you can shake a stick at, but if replacement parts are scarce, then that may not be much use.
Im not going to rush into buying. Will ponder it for at least a few days. I think the price may be the deciding factor.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Weds on 21 December 2016, 08:24:05

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Ive had one of them with a missing telematics, did work, but this one kept bleeping and displaying Safe Mode at me when it was used only in CD or Nav operation, other than that was fine.

Is there a fix for this, mine does the same...
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 21 December 2016, 13:45:53

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Ive had one of them with a missing telematics, did work, but this one kept bleeping and displaying Safe Mode at me when it was used only in CD or Nav operation, other than that was fine.

Is there a fix for this, mine does the same...
Assuming you know the codes, as chat with a tech2 sorts it...
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 30 December 2016, 23:04:30
Just want to recap/ refresh my memory on this before taking the plunge. If I swap it for my 2013 / GID, it will be straightforward, plug & play, yes ?
The radio / CD changer / on screen info regarding the car will all work ok ? Only thing really missing will be the phone functions, due to the lack of telematics a 2015 would normally come with ?
Are all my assumptions correct ?
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: RobG on 31 December 2016, 08:54:50
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Are all my assumptions correct ?
Yes, but ideally you could do with the car code just in case.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 31 December 2016, 12:37:21
Thanks Rob.  :y Code for the unit isn't available unfortunately. I assume its a different thing to the car pass ?
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: powerslinky on 31 December 2016, 13:18:29
Thanks Rob.  :y Code for the unit isn't available unfortunately. I assume its a different thing to the car pass ?


I think that info will be on the car pass Mr. migv6     ;)  it is car code required   . . .not HU code

Car pass details were requested from a couple of buyers of parts from a 3.2 elite I broke..   
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: zirk on 31 December 2016, 13:47:33
Thanks Rob.  :y Code for the unit isn't available unfortunately. I assume its a different thing to the car pass ?
You could in thoery get from VX if you have the Reg and Logbook, or have a chat with AndyC.  ;)

Personnaly I think I would pass on buying it without the Code and a potential faulty screen as it effectively become a brick without the Code when it goes tits up.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 31 December 2016, 15:13:33
Got a nicer one you can sell me instead Chris ? Its the only one Ive seen for sale this year.  :)
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: zirk on 01 January 2017, 02:09:49
Got a nicer one you can sell me instead Chris ? Its the only one Ive seen for sale this year.  :)
Thinking about it, I could probably sort something out for you in the not so distant future, but not sure you would like the price. That would, if Im being totally honest, based upon what Ive paid for the items in the first place rather than being greedy as a for sale price.  :-\  ;)
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 01 January 2017, 15:23:40
I'm keeping what remains of my spares for when mine goes wrong.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: zirk on 02 January 2017, 01:24:33
I'm keeping the remains of my spares that ended up in the Neighbors Gardens for when mine goes wrong.
fixed that for you.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 14 January 2017, 11:38:19
Well, I bought it. Just installed it in the car and have had a quick play. Two issues which are slightly concerning so far. When switched on it shows the Opel logo rather than the Vauxhall version. Can this be changed or am I stuck with it ?
Genuine 2003 navdisc doesn't seem to work, but there is a 2010/11 Sony copied disc which seems to work fine, which is puzzling.
I'm concerned that using the copy disc will knacker the laser.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: VXL V6 on 14 January 2017, 11:44:32
Using the copy disc will bugger the laser focusing.

Display logo and colour scheme can be changed with Tech II.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: powerslinky on 14 January 2017, 11:45:32
Well, I bought it. Just installed it in the car and have had a quick play. Two issues which are slightly concerning so far. When switched on it shows the Opel logo rather than the Vauxhall version. Can this be changed or am I stuck with it ?
Genuine 2003 navdisc doesn't seem to work, but there is a 2010/11 Sony copied disc which seems to work fine, which is puzzling.
I'm concerned that using the copy disc will knacker the laser.

Mr Migv6 . . Did these discs come with it ?     If so  . . .logic is that previous owner had the same problem with original /genuine disc .

But NOT  good to be putting "copied" discs in it IMO

Dunno about the Opel logo  . . . . guessing  a Tech2  may change it bacy to Vauxhall, presuming you are talking about the red & black start up logo :-\ :-\

must get to those fast typing lessons  ;D ;D
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: zirk on 14 January 2017, 11:48:09
Fairly sure it can be changed with a Tech 2, dare say Techy owners will confirm, but...... did you get the Code with it.

Just use the Copied disks for testing, full time use will fuuk to laser
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 14 January 2017, 11:51:23
Thanks for the answers chaps. Yes the discs came with it. I'm puzzled why it can read the copied disc ok but not the original disc. The original appears to be in good condition.
I will definitely intend to get the logo changed to the red Griffin at some point. Its just a matter of when I can get to someone with a tech 2, who knows what the are doing.
The seller said he didn't have codes, but there was a sticker taped to the back with several numbers on which I suspect may be the codes ?
When I can find my camera I will take a pic and post it up.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: zirk on 14 January 2017, 11:53:39
Its probably going to be difficult having a Tech 2 session on it without the Code!
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: VXL V6 on 14 January 2017, 12:05:26
Pretty sure you can alter various 'screen' settings without the code.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 January 2017, 12:17:55
Pretty sure you can alter various 'screen' settings without the code.
Map and display colours certainly  ;)
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: VXL V6 on 14 January 2017, 12:54:46
Pretty sure you can alter various 'screen' settings without the code.
Map and display colours certainly  ;)
Not sure which colour scheme I prefer TBH.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 14 January 2017, 13:51:53
Logo can be changed via Tech2.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 17 January 2017, 16:54:22
Another issue to report. ::)
All seems to work well, apart from the fuel consumption figures. I have cleared the figures twice, but they seem to keep reverting to 7.1mpg, on both instant and overall consumption. Drove for 10 miles today and they both stayed there.
Am I doing something wrong ? Is it broken ? Does it need a chat with Tech 2 ?  :-\
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: zirk on 17 January 2017, 17:18:39
Another issue to report. ::)
All seems to work well, apart from the fuel consumption figures. I have cleared the figures twice, but they seem to keep reverting to 7.1mpg, on both instant and overall consumption. Drove for 10 miles today and they both stayed there.
Am I doing something wrong ? Is it broken ? Does it need a chat with Tech 2 ?  :-\
Possibly a Tech 2 chat would be in order, I did have something similar quiet a few years back, MPG stuck on 7 and Range going from something to 0 then F then back to range, in my case it was because it came from an Auto Saloon to a Manual Estate.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 17 January 2017, 18:44:57
I wonder if it came from a manual car ? Could be confusing it. :-\
I want to find out if its a serious / incurable fault, as it will be going back if it is.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Andy H on 17 January 2017, 21:33:54
Another issue to report. ::)
All seems to work well, apart from the fuel consumption figures. I have cleared the figures twice, but they seem to keep reverting to 7.1mpg, on both instant and overall consumption. Drove for 10 miles today and they both stayed there.
Am I doing something wrong ? Is it broken ? Does it need a chat with Tech 2 ?  :-\
It reads as though the NCDC is lacking a speed pulse :-\

On the MID 7mpg seems to be the absolute minimum it will go down to. I wonder if the CID behaves the same. :-\

Does the NCDC/CID have a mileage trip like the MID? If it does you could check that the CID is getting a pulse.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 17 January 2017, 23:23:27
Yes it has a mileage trip and that seems to be the only thing that is working accurately at the moment.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Andy H on 18 January 2017, 06:54:30
Yes it has a mileage trip and that seems to be the only thing that is working accurately at the moment.
A question for someone with access to the wiring diagrammes - does the NCDC have a saparate speed pulse to the
CID?
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 January 2017, 08:22:23
Both fed from the abs ecu, BlRt/BuRd (depending on what language your wiring diagrams are in) ;)

Will check pin outs when I regain consciousness/get up*

*not a morning person, so delete as applicable  :D
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 18 January 2017, 10:48:34
That would be much appreciated Doctor. I'm at a loss at the moment, and while not wanting to try and remove the damn thing and send it back, I think I will have to do that if this cant be fixed.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 January 2017, 22:54:22
All pin outs are identical GID/CID... :y

BUT 2001 on has a connection between Pin5 on the screen connector (the smaller, shielded cable)and Pin19 on the head unit... using the shielding as the current track...

Pre'01 it runs from Pin23 on the main GID/CID plug to Pin19...

You have connected the second cable?
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 19 January 2017, 07:02:22
Car is 02, CID unit 03. Both plugs pluged in, but I'm going to check they are both seated properly as soon as I get the chance.
Thanks DG.  :y
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 January 2017, 17:04:04
While swmbo was in Sainsburys today, I sat in the car park bored, so the screwdriver came out. Took the plugs out of the back of the CID (broke the locating clasp on the smaller plug in the process  :-[ :'() and reseated them. After this the overall consumption was working, although was reading higher than I expected, but the instant consumption stayed on 7.1mpg when moving, and 9.6 gall / hour at standstill.
On the way home they reverted to 7.1mpg, although sometimes when off the throttle downhill, instant went to 999.99mpg.
Looking like a connectivity problem ,but I'm not too confident of solving it.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 January 2017, 17:46:43
Could be a bit of tension on the looms :-\ are the plug looms slack, ie can you pul them one end to other without snagging?
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 21 January 2017, 00:11:05
Not much slack in the loom to the small plug. I would guess its ok with the binnacle in the correct position, but not much to play with when trying to move the binnacle out of position to remove the plug.  :-\
This plug has never been used before as it was taped up and hidden, so any problem with it wouldn't have been known. Although it would also, presumably be a fault present since the car was new.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 21 January 2017, 00:58:42
Was thinking it may have been strained...

Cars fitted from new are tight for top access/cluster removal, might be that the cable was kinked when it was first taped up :-\

Only way to rule it out is to either try both headunit and display in another car, or try to get hold of another cable :-\
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 21 January 2017, 12:37:46
Both those options would be a useful test.  :y Having said that, the GID only used the larger plug and it displayed all the fuel / speed info, so I assume the info is sent through the wiring to the larger plug ?
Havent studied the wiring diagram yet, but what is the smaller plug actually for ?
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 21 January 2017, 12:42:51
It feeds the screen ;)
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: zirk on 22 January 2017, 17:19:51
Both those options would be a useful test.  :y Having said that, the GID only used the larger plug and it displayed all the fuel / speed info, so I assume the info is sent through the wiring to the larger plug ?
Havent studied the wiring diagram yet, but what is the smaller plug actually for ?
Its RGB Signal (Red, Green, Blue) to feed the Map infomation, the other Graphics info are part of the CID Screen.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Andy H on 22 January 2017, 18:03:03
Both those options would be a useful test.  :y Having said that, the GID only used the larger plug and it displayed all the fuel / speed info, so I assume the info is sent through the wiring to the larger plug ?
Havent studied the wiring diagram yet, but what is the smaller plug actually for ?
Its RGB Signal (Red, Green, Blue) to feed the Map infomation, the other Graphics info are part of the CID Screen.
If the NCDC controls the functions`on the CID then I guess there will also be a control pair (and possibly a speed pulse going the other way)
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 22 January 2017, 18:26:47
Just got a message from the seller saying that the unit will need to be married up to the engine and wheel / tyre size, using tech 2 to get the consumption correct.
Never heard that one before.  ???
Sent me this link to get the correct codes.

http://www.opel-infos.de/downloads/omega_b_display.pdf
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 January 2017, 18:45:47
Final drive and gear ratios vary between engine and gearbox combinations, but all Omegas have the same speed signal generation, ie from the ABS, so unless it's come from a 2.2 dti, the consumption should be in the same post code :-\
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 22 January 2017, 18:55:44
I have asked him if he knows which spec car it came from. He originally said it came from his own elite, but the opel logo threw some doubt on that. Not many Opel Omega elites in Kent.
The strange thing is that the average speed shown seems to be ok, just the fuel data which doesn't work. I think a little blast of electrical cleaner and a shot from an air cleaning aerosol in the recess where the large plug sits is all I can do. After that its deciding whether or not to try and take it back out and send it back, or to just live with it.
I really like the look of it in the car, but I don't fancy having no fuel consumption figures. Decisions, decisions.  ::)
Btw, Doc. I have had a look at the wiring diagram, but cant make much sense of it tbh.  :-[
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 January 2017, 19:03:13
The left bit plugs into the right bit and when power is added, the pixies do their thang :D
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 22 January 2017, 19:03:31
OK, lot of guff being said.

MigV6 - what is the CI on the CID?  What spec is your car (engine, gearbox, Xenons, wheel size)
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 22 January 2017, 19:07:01
OK, lot of guff being said.

MigV6 - what is the CI on the CID?  What spec is your car (engine, gearbox, Xenons, wheel size)

Don't know what that means. :-[
I take full responsibility for all the guff.  :-[ ;D
Car is 02 3.2 elite auto. 17 inch wheels, 235/45/17 tyres, xenons. Standard 02 elite spec I would think.  :y

To save you trawling through 5 pages - everything seems to work fine apart from average and instant consumption figures. Instant reads 9.5 (?) gallons / hour at standstill and 7.1 when moving. average reads 7.1.
Been reset several times but reverts back to this.
Only other problem is that the genuine navdisc looks good but cant be read. Copy disc (2010 iirc) works great, but obviously not good to keep using it.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 January 2017, 19:09:30
Here do...

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90455.0 :y
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 22 January 2017, 19:12:40
Sorry, CI = Code Index.

Can't remember the exact method for finding it - it involves putting NCDC into diags mode by pressing MAIN for 6s. But can't remember which page the CI is on  :-[.

I believe you need CI of 074, but will check once I have confirmed how to check without Tech2 - can you wait a few days until I can get to a car?


Sounds like CI is wrong, easily changed, but needs Tech2 :(
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 22 January 2017, 19:13:19
Here do...

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90455.0 :y
That's for MIDs, not CIDs.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 22 January 2017, 19:14:43
Sticker on the rear of the CID has a lot of numbers and the letters KJ on it. Would that be the CI ?
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 22 January 2017, 19:17:53
Sticker on the rear of the CID has a lot of numbers and the letters KJ on it. Would that be the CI ?
No. CI is a configuration profile programmed on via Tech2 to make it right for the specification of each car.

Only way I know of finding it without Tech2 or certain other dodgy Opel specific coder readers, is via diags mode on NCDC
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 22 January 2017, 19:22:28
1. Is it theoretically possible for me to retrieve that info from the NCDC ?
2. Can I be trusted to perform this operation without seriously damaging something ?  ;D
3. Are the described symptoms, likely to be caused by the unit previously being fitted to a different spec car, thus fixable via Tech2 ?
4. Are you still working not that far from the arse end of nowhere ?

Edit.Scrap most of that. Just seen reply no. 71.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 22 January 2017, 19:26:00
Sorry, CI = Code Index.

Can't remember the exact method for finding it - it involves putting NCDC into diags mode by pressing MAIN for 6s. But can't remember which page the CI is on  :-[.

I believe you need CI of 074, but will check once I have confirmed how to check without Tech2 - can you wait a few days until I can get to a car?


Sounds like CI is wrong, easily changed, but needs Tech2 :(

If your not sure, I'm going nowhere fickin near it.  :o ;D
Waiting a few days is no problem. Doesn't affect the driving, obviously. Just pissing me off, and would like to get it sorted at some point.
Thanks for your (and everyone elses) input so far, its much appreciated. I at least have hope that it isn't approaching oversized paperweight status.  :y
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: RobG on 22 January 2017, 19:28:19
Sticker on the rear of the CID has a lot of numbers and the letters KJ on it. Would that be the CI ?
Nope. CI is numerical
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: zirk on 22 January 2017, 19:32:34
I thought it was Main and Info buttons together for a few seconds, then brings up the Menu, also from memory though.

Migv6 you cant do any damage to it, its all read only.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: RobG on 22 January 2017, 19:36:19
I thought it was Main and Info buttons together for a few seconds, then brings up the Menu, also from memory though.

Migv6 you cant do any damage to it, its all read only.
Don`t be so sure Chris ;D ;D
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: zirk on 22 January 2017, 19:39:56
I thought it was Main and Info buttons together for a few seconds, then brings up the Menu, also from memory though.

Migv6 you cant do any damage to it, its all read only.
Don`t be so sure Chris ;D ;D
;D ;D

Must admit, Migv6 can be continually on standby for an accident to happen.  ;D
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 January 2017, 19:40:27
I thought it was Main and Info buttons together for a few seconds, then brings up the Menu, also from memory though.

Migv6 you cant do any damage to it, its all read only.
Don`t be so sure Chris ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 22 January 2017, 19:56:04
I thought it was Main and Info buttons together for a few seconds, then brings up the Menu, also from memory though.

Migv6 you cant do any damage to it, its all read only.
Don`t be so sure Chris ;D ;D
;D ;D

Must admit, Migv6 can be continually on standby for an accident to happen.  ;D

My son told my wife yesterday that she must insist on wrapping my head with bubble wrap before I go outside. I hurt or damage something every time I set foot outside the door. Went out yesterday to fit a new wiper stalk to my 190. Came back in 5 minutes later with blood pouring out of my head. Bent down and head butted a bracket on the steering column. ::) ;D
She is trying to ban me from ever using my recently purchased mig welder. Apparently the consequences just don't bear thinking about.  :D
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 22 January 2017, 19:58:13
Aaaanyway, back on topic. Seller has just informed me it came from a 2.5 diesel auto, so that may well be the cause of the problems.
Id it can be sorted by tech2 then all well and good.  :)

Its all RobG,s fault. When he said it was plug & play, I believed him.  :P ;D
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: zirk on 22 January 2017, 20:28:05
My son told my wife yesterday that she must insist on wrapping my head with bubble wrap before I go outside. I hurt or damage something every time I set foot outside the door. Went out yesterday to fit a new wiper stalk to my 190. Came back in 5 minutes later with blood pouring out of my head. Bent down and head butted a bracket on the steering column. ::) ;D
She is trying to ban me from ever using my recently purchased mig welder. Apparently the consequences just don't bear thinking about.  :D
;D Bubble Wrap around the head, love it  ;D ;D, she be getting you one of those Panic Fobs that you hang around your neck next.

By the way did she buy you that Chain Saw you wanted for Christmas then.  ;D
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Nick W on 22 January 2017, 21:08:20
I thought it was Main and Info buttons together for a few seconds, then brings up the Menu, also from memory though.

Migv6 you cant do any damage to it, its all read only.
Don`t be so sure Chris ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D


Says Doctor Grinder Gollum 8)
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 22 January 2017, 21:19:03
Good point ,well presented Nick.  :y     ;D ;D :P
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: RobG on 22 January 2017, 21:34:15
Aaaanyway, back on topic. Seller has just informed me it came from a 2.5 diesel auto, so that may well be the cause of the problems.
Id it can be sorted by tech2 then all well and good.  :)

Its all RobG,s fault. When he said it was plug & play, I believed him.  :P ;D
It is plug and play but I didn`t say it would play right did I :P :P ;D
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 23 January 2017, 00:06:32
See, that's the trouble with folk from Brizzul.  ::) ;D
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 23 January 2017, 18:22:30
I thought it was Main and Info buttons together for a few seconds, then brings up the Menu, also from memory though.

Migv6 you cant do any damage to it, its all read only.
Its MAIN for 6s.  But I can't remember which page the CI is on ;D.

CLEAR for 6s resets the NCDC if its doing "weird things" (though invariably you need to pull it for a couple of hours if it is).
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 28 January 2017, 22:19:20
Turn on
Press and hold MAIN for 6-7s, then release
Press BC
Press MAIN

Report back top left figures (Code/Vers).


To get out of diags:
Press BC or Tuner
Press and hold MAIN for 6-7s again
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 28 January 2017, 22:20:03
A 3.2 with HIDs should read 074/1 (the 1 may vary).
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 28 January 2017, 22:54:53
Brilliant. Many thanks. Will try and do it tomorrow and report back, although Ive no idea what happens after that.  :y ;D

Also, should I expect to see a different code,ie code for diesel car, as that's what the unit was previously in ?
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 29 January 2017, 11:02:57
Brilliant. Many thanks. Will try and do it tomorrow and report back, although Ive no idea what happens after that.  :y ;D

Also, should I expect to see a different code,ie code for diesel car, as that's what the unit was previously in ?
Yeah, expecting a different Code Index, in which case a bit of careful Tech2 should resolve.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 29 January 2017, 14:52:13
Code index seems to be 068/2 if that makes sense ?
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 29 January 2017, 18:13:46
Code index seems to be 068/2 if that makes sense ?
So CI is 068...   ...which ain't 074 for a 3.2 Elite.

Sadly, I've broken my beloved, favourite 9yr old laptop, and the replacement I found hasn't got TIS on it yet, so can't look up 068...  ...but mute point, as you need 074.
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Andy H on 29 January 2017, 19:54:33
Code index seems to be 068/2 if that makes sense ?
So CI is 068...   ...which ain't 074 for a 3.2 Elite.

Sadly, I've broken my beloved, favourite 9yr old laptop, and the replacement I found hasn't got TIS on it yet, so can't look up 068...  ...but mute point, as you need 074.
If I have read this table correctly http://www.opel-infos.de/downloads/omega_b_display.pdf (http://www.opel-infos.de/downloads/omega_b_display.pdf) it is for a manual Y22DTH
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 29 January 2017, 19:55:56
Probably safe to assume its the CI for a 2.2 DTi elite.  :-\
So, I need a session with Tech2 with someone who knows how to use it presumably. 230 mile round trip to Brackley is a lorra lorra petrol.  ::)
Don't suppose your going to be working in "webbed feet country" again any time soon ?  ;D
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 29 January 2017, 19:56:29
Code index seems to be 068/2 if that makes sense ?
So CI is 068...   ...which ain't 074 for a 3.2 Elite.

Sadly, I've broken my beloved, favourite 9yr old laptop, and the replacement I found hasn't got TIS on it yet, so can't look up 068...  ...but mute point, as you need 074.
If I have read this table correctly http://www.opel-infos.de/downloads/omega_b_display.pdf (http://www.opel-infos.de/downloads/omega_b_display.pdf) it is for a manual Y22DTH

Sounds about right.  :y
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: TheBoy on 30 January 2017, 19:20:41
Don't suppose your going to be working in "webbed feet country" again any time soon ?  ;D
No current plans, and unlikely before April as we've overspent the travel budget again ;D
Title: Re: NCDC 2015 questions.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 30 January 2017, 21:41:12
You will need to reapply for a passport then.  :y
I will have to have a think about what to do next.