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[MaxV6]

YaY  I Vote TheBoy for Prime Minister !!!

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[TheBoy]

Would you feel the same if that was your child on the pushbike?

I would be inconsolable if the deceased were any of mine.

However, if you do something like running a red light/playing chicken on a dual carriageway, then participants instantly become prime contender for the next issue of the Darwin awards.,

When I did my car and bike test you had to keep your eyes peeled, if you saw an ice cream van slow down be looking out for children running across the road, at junctions be watching for motorbikes etc....
Be honest if you were driving your car and a person be it a cyclist, motorcyclist or a car jumping the red light, you would do your best to miss them, swerve run into another car, wall anything to miss the person.... if then the person had been killed I would be able to live with myself knowing full well I could have done no more.

in this day and age, people are more likely to swerve to save a dog, causing them to lose control, and kill loads of people.

[TheBoy]

Would you feel the same if that was your child on the pushbike?

I would be inconsolable if the deceased were any of mine.

However, if you do something like running a red light/playing chicken on a dual carriageway, then participants instantly become prime contender for the next issue of the Darwin awards.,

When I did my car and bike test you had to keep your eyes peeled, if you saw an ice cream van slow down be looking out for children running across the road, at junctions be watching for motorbikes etc....
Be honest if you were driving your car and a person be it a cyclist, motorcyclist or a car jumping the red light, you would do your best to miss them, swerve run into another car, wall anything to miss the person.... if then the person had been killed I would be able to live with myself knowing full well I could have done no more.

in this day and age, people are more likely to swerve to save a dog, causing them to lose control, and kill loads of people.

and to add to that, supposing she had seen cyclist, swerved, lost control, hit other cars causing injury, while the single brain cell cyclist rides away?

[Darth Loo-knee]

Would you feel the same if that was your child on the pushbike?

I would be inconsolable if the deceased were any of mine.

However, if you do something like running a red light/playing chicken on a dual carriageway, then participants instantly become prime contender for the next issue of the Darwin awards.,

When I did my car and bike test you had to keep your eyes peeled, if you saw an ice cream van slow down be looking out for children running across the road, at junctions be watching for motorbikes etc....
Be honest if you were driving your car and a person be it a cyclist, motorcyclist or a car jumping the red light, you would do your best to miss them, swerve run into another car, wall anything to miss the person.... if then the person had been killed I would be able to live with myself knowing full well I could have done no more.

in this day and age, people are more likely to swerve to save a dog, causing them to lose control, and kill loads of people.

and to add to that, supposing she had seen cyclist, swerved, lost control, hit other cars causing injury, while the single brain cell cyclist rides away?

If that had been the case, yes you would have been annoyed that your No Claims Bonus could have possibly gone out of the window, I can live with losing a few hundred quid........
Sooner that than killing someone when i could have tried to prevented it..

[TheBoy]

Would you feel the same if that was your child on the pushbike?

I would be inconsolable if the deceased were any of mine.

However, if you do something like running a red light/playing chicken on a dual carriageway, then participants instantly become prime contender for the next issue of the Darwin awards.,

When I did my car and bike test you had to keep your eyes peeled, if you saw an ice cream van slow down be looking out for children running across the road, at junctions be watching for motorbikes etc....
Be honest if you were driving your car and a person be it a cyclist, motorcyclist or a car jumping the red light, you would do your best to miss them, swerve run into another car, wall anything to miss the person.... if then the person had been killed I would be able to live with myself knowing full well I could have done no more.

in this day and age, people are more likely to swerve to save a dog, causing them to lose control, and kill loads of people.

and to add to that, supposing she had seen cyclist, swerved, lost control, hit other cars causing injury, while the single brain cell cyclist rides away?

If that had been the case, yes you would have been annoyed that your No Claims Bonus could have possibly gone out of the window, I can live with losing a few hundred quid........
Sooner that than killing someone when i could have tried to prevented it..

So how would you have felt had you of swerved to avoid the neanderthal and caused a bigger head on accident, perhaps killing/maming someone/others, and that definately would be your fault. And the cyclist rides away into anomality.

[hotel21]

in this day and age, people are more likely to swerve to save a dog, causing them to lose control, and kill loads of people.

Once upon a time, dealt with a double fatal where a driver swerved on a country road at dusk to avoid a rabbit in his path.  Head on into another car and both innocent occupants minced.  At fault driver survived and held his hands up.   Managed a fine and ban but avoided jail.....

[TheBoy]

I'm a little calmer now but will continue the debate.

I have actually been in a similar situation to her (granted, I wasn't using the phone, and wasn't speeding). A pedestrian at a pelican crossing for some reason didn't wait for the green man. Knocked him flying, poor sod.  Luckily, nobody hurt, no idea how, as I had probably only just managed to get on brakes before impact, so probably about 30mph.  Only damage was a damaged number plate and a big tailback whilst he worked out what happened.


Now suppose I had killed him (and at 30mph that is very possible)......

[Darth Loo-knee]

Would you feel the same if that was your child on the pushbike?

I would be inconsolable if the deceased were any of mine.

However, if you do something like running a red light/playing chicken on a dual carriageway, then participants instantly become prime contender for the next issue of the Darwin awards.,

When I did my car and bike test you had to keep your eyes peeled, if you saw an ice cream van slow down be looking out for children running across the road, at junctions be watching for motorbikes etc....
Be honest if you were driving your car and a person be it a cyclist, motorcyclist or a car jumping the red light, you would do your best to miss them, swerve run into another car, wall anything to miss the person.... if then the person had been killed I would be able to live with myself knowing full well I could have done no more.

in this day and age, people are more likely to swerve to save a dog, causing them to lose control, and kill loads of people.

and to add to that, supposing she had seen cyclist, swerved, lost control, hit other cars causing injury, while the single brain cell cyclist rides away?

If that had been the case, yes you would have been annoyed that your No Claims Bonus could have possibly gone out of the window, I can live with losing a few hundred quid........
Sooner that than killing someone when i could have tried to prevented it..

So how would you have felt had you of swerved to avoid the neanderthal and caused a bigger head on accident, perhaps killing/maming someone/others, and that definately would be your fault. And the cyclist rides away into anomality.

The instance we are all refering too was at a set of lights, so the poor person I would hit trying to avoid this cyclist would more than likely be in another car, so they stand a far greater chance of survival than a person on a pushbike....
We are all being allowed time to think what we would do in that situation, but in a split second I would say 99% of drivers would swerve out of the way.........

[Darth Loo-knee]

This woman didn't give herself the option, her eyes totally off the road..

[Entwood]

The green light does not give you carte blanche to drive on, it is "permission" to procede with care ...

She did not take care because she was speeding and texting.

You are not allowed to mow down others simply because THEY break the law.

Deserves everything she gets.

[TheBoy]

This woman didn't give herself the option, her eyes totally off the road..

I can find no reference to how much 'notice' she would have had had she not been play with the bloody phone.

But (and I am guessing here), not much.

How long does it take a pushbike to clear the width of a car? 1 second? What would be her thinking + reaction + car response (to swerve 4' or more) time? Significantly less than 1 second? I think not.


And, as said earlier, surely to god the cyclist must have seen 1 tonne of metal approaching at 30mph.  Surely he knew he would lose that one.

[TheBoy]

The green light does not give you carte blanche to drive on, it is "permission" to procede with care ...

She did not take care because she was speeding and texting.

You are not allowed to mow down others simply because THEY break the law.

Deserves everything she gets.

I agree she should be punished (perhaps my earlier comment earlier about shooting her might be a tad strong - actually, maybe not), the point is her phone actions may not have caused the accident.

[hotel21]

The green light does not give you carte blanche to drive on, it is "permission" to procede with care ...  

...... She would still be allowed to enter the junction on a green, only if safe to proceed....

agreed....

She did not take care because she was speeding and texting.

You are not allowed to mow down others simply because THEY break the law.

Deserves everything she gets.

Also agreed.....

[Entwood]

Another thought ....

Lets take the emotive issue of texting out of it ...

She was doing 45 in a 30 limit... ok the cyclist was in the wrong .. but if she had been doing 30 would the collision have occured ?? Did the cyclist make his fatal decision expecting her to be doing 30 ?? Would she have been able to stop at 30 if she had seen him ??

She could be done just as well for "death by dangerous" even if not texting, that just compounds the error, but says an awful lot about her attitude IMHO

[Darth Loo-knee]

In which case I will agree to disagree, as I think if she had her eyes on the road as she should have done, she may have caught a glimpse of this guy and either slowed down or swerved.
You are a motorcyclist have you ever been riding your motorbike and had someone pull out on you?
The first thing the car driver says "I am so sorry I never saw you!"  and yet most motorcyclist ride with their headlights on.....
I think all car drivers should be made to ride a motorcycle for a while before getting into a car....
I honestly think that a motorcyclist that drives a car looks more whilst driving..