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Windscreen trim
« on: 21 September 2023, 16:35:19 »

When i purchased my Omega in early 2018 ,it was pretty obvious the windscreen had been BADLY replaced by the old (77 years) owner (or his blind, one armed, retarded glass man)  :-X

last week the Omega got jealous of the attention I was giving to a couple of the Astras  :P and decided it wanted a new screen  :(

I've never really looked at the trim in any detail ,until now (other than discuss it with Al ,DG at Brackley meet a while back ,and agree it was a lash up, terrible job)

Having now looked at it in detail , I suspect the cowboy who fitted it  :-X "forgot" the side trim inner sections ,until AFTER he/she/them/it had bonded the screen to the car  :-\ then somehow retro-fitted jammed them in  :o and fitted the outer trims.

if you look at the trim, there's a 6mm ish gap between glass and the upper "goal post" trim

N/S trim side meets lower


I assume that gap is meant to have the screen in it  :-\

N/S outer trim gap  :-\


O/S trim gap close up


Am I correct in my assumption that the inner trim GM 90493424 , GM 90493425 , GM 90493426 and lower GM 90460336 should have been put round the glass BEFORE fitting , and the gap in my photos isn't meant to be there (the outer trim upper GM 90460335 is meant to be flush with the glass and A pillars  :-\

I intend to carefully remove the outer trims and see what condition the inner seats (4 sections) are in before deciding what to do or order .

having never done or had done an Omega screen , only carlton ones, I assume the trims can be re-used IF not badly mashed by the previous cowboy fitter ,or the cowboy who's going to remove them  :D

I have searched the forum ,and gleamed some information  :)
but this cluster**** bodge job hasn't been covered (that i can find )
perhaps no OOFer has ever had one fitted this BADLY before  ;D
though it did last at least until it didn't ,five plus years  >:D





 
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #1 on: 21 September 2023, 19:09:25 »

All my 3 Elites have got their original screens fitted Dave, and all of them have a noticeable gap on the windscreen side of the vertical mouldings. You can see the metal retainer clips at the lower most edge adjacent to the screen. The gap disappears as the moulding passes through the 90 degree bend at the top of the screen, and at this point the moulding sits flush with the screen across the top of the screen.
Looking at the damage to the moulding on the offside, that certainly looks terribly misshapen and only a new moulding will rectify that.
The problem is that genuine mouldings are now hard to source, as are the retainers. They were part of a new GM screen (and I also assume aftermarket screens) but I have bought them individually too.
It does look however like some cannibal has been at the offside moulding on your car...
A good indication of how well a replacement screen has been fitted is how tight the upper 90 degree bend of the moulding sits against the start of the roof panel.
I have some photos of my screens as fitted from new , but I've been ununable to fathom out how to get photos on this site....perhaps pm me and I can WhatsApp them???


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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #2 on: 21 September 2023, 19:24:24 »

Thanks for the reply MR Johnnydog  :)

I don't have a whatsapp sorry

sounds like ,from what you are saying, that I'm completely wrong about the 6mm gap  :-[

outer seals are tight top and bottom ,but the top corners have been a mangled mess since i got the Omega .







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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #3 on: 21 September 2023, 19:39:43 »

I can get the outer seals ,though costly ,and the lower inner .
I'm not sure I can justify £200  :o for the outer seals ,plus £115 for a glass + fitting ,
can't seem to source the inner trims ,without a trip to uncle Putin in Russia  :P
I've lived with it like that for five and a half years
 It's not noticeable from the driver's seat  :P
It's a daily driver ,far from being a show car.

I could just claim on the insurance, pay the excess of about £100 and have the glass replaced .

I was hoping to get the trims, and get a local fitter to do it ,sub £300

I guess ny next move is to carefully remove the outer trims , such as they are ,
and see what the inner trim retainers look like .
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #4 on: 21 September 2023, 19:59:01 »

I can get the outer seals ,though costly ,and the lower inner .
I'm not sure I can justify £200  :o for the outer seals ,plus £115 for a glass + fitting ,
can't seem to source the inner trims ,without a trip to uncle Putin in Russia  :P
I've lived with it like that for five and a half years
 It's not noticeable from the driver's seat  :P
It's a daily driver ,far from being a show car.

I could just claim on the insurance, pay the excess of about £100 and have the glass replaced .

I was hoping to get the trims, and get a local fitter to do it ,sub £300

I guess ny next move is to carefully remove the outer trims , such as they are ,
and see what the inner trim retainers look like .
So what's wrong with the insurance?
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #5 on: 21 September 2023, 20:40:14 »


So what's wrong with the insurance?
A windscreen claim needs to be declared as a claim for 5 years when renewing  ;)
 
I've got fully comp ,with glass cover .that's not the issue .

even with my full (20+ years)  "protected"  ::) no claims bonus ,it has an effect on renewal prices ongoing .

pity you can't get insurance insurance  ,in case you need a claim :-X
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #6 on: 21 September 2023, 20:57:44 »


So what's wrong with the insurance?
A windscreen claim needs to be declared as a claim for 5 years when renewing  ;)
 
I've got fully comp ,with glass cover .that's not the issue .

even with my full (20+ years)  "protected"  ::) no claims bonus ,it has an effect on renewal prices ongoing .

pity you can't get insurance insurance  ,in case you need a claim :-X
I've never declared a windscreen claim, and it's never affected future claims or premiums.
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #7 on: 21 September 2023, 21:20:49 »

My insurance company don't class a glass repair or replacement as a 'claim' either...only know because I had a windscreen claim (not on an Omega) plus all the recalibration that went with it to the total tune of £1600  :o  And the excess was NIL which a further bonus :y
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #8 on: 21 September 2023, 21:23:36 »

Thanks for the reply MR Johnnydog  :)

I don't have a whatsapp sorry

sounds like ,from what you are saying, that I'm completely wrong about the 6mm gap  :-[

outer seals are tight top and bottom ,but the top corners have been a mangled mess since i got the Omega .

I can email them if you wish Dave...
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #9 on: 21 September 2023, 21:26:30 »


So what's wrong with the insurance?
A windscreen claim needs to be declared as a claim for 5 years when renewing  ;)
 
I've got fully comp ,with glass cover .that's not the issue .

even with my full (20+ years)  "protected"  ::) no claims bonus ,it has an effect on renewal prices ongoing .

pity you can't get insurance insurance  ,in case you need a claim :-X
I've never declared a windscreen claim, and it's never affected future claims or premiums.

why would it , if you Didn't declare it  :D

My insurance company don't class a glass repair or replacement as a 'claim' either...only know because I had a windscreen claim (not on an Omega) plus all the recalibration that went with it to the total tune of £1600  :o  And the excess was NIL which a further bonus :y

I didn't think it was classed as a "claim" either ,but it was one of the questions at renewal last time (when getting quotes on comparison sites)  :(

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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #10 on: 21 September 2023, 21:31:14 »


I can email them if you wish Dave...

thanks  :)

it would be very helpful to know what the trim is meant to look like  :)

I'll PM you my email ,

once again many thanks
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #11 on: 21 September 2023, 21:49:18 »

Pics sent Dave - if they look suitable, then maybe put them on here with your know how? !
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #12 on: 21 September 2023, 22:33:23 »

Pics sent Dave - if they look suitable, then maybe put them on here with your know how? !
Pics where very helpful ,thank you  :)
one of Johnnydog's example pic .


so the "gap" at the side is factory ,I assumed WRONG  :-[
maybe the "gap" is for aerodynamics or water control  :-\
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #13 on: 21 September 2023, 22:37:18 »

Jonnydog's example 2  :)

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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #14 on: 21 September 2023, 22:40:20 »

Must be the month for it....

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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #15 on: 21 September 2023, 22:40:55 »

so, back to the drawing board
I won't fill the gap with expanding foam  :P
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #16 on: 21 September 2023, 22:43:17 »

Must be the month for it....


Ouch
I can empathise
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #17 on: 21 September 2023, 22:51:38 »

Will have a look at my two tomorrow if it's not raining and post up pictures if it helps?

One thing I know is the silver car had the last (or last but one) genuine GM screen from Germany and it was a perfect fit, seem to recall that they sent two fitters out and they were old boys who'd done plenty of Omega's back in the day. Black car still has it's original screen so should be a good comparison. All the other Omega's i've owned had none genuine replacements (I think Pilkington make them as a special order when Autoglass etc require) over the years but they seemed to struggle fitting them and there were defects in the glass that meant distortions on the edges.
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #18 on: 21 September 2023, 22:53:45 »

My replacement wasnt fitted quite right and the outer trim has never fitted properly since.  >:( :'(
I took it off as it kept coming loose and it lies behind the shed.  ::)
I assume its just a cosmetic item and doesnt serve an important purpose ?
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« Reply #19 on: 21 September 2023, 22:54:06 »

Must be the month for it....


Ouch
I can empathise
I was amazed that meteorites also used the A14, shame they didn't fly on the correct side of the carriageway.  :D
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #20 on: 21 September 2023, 22:59:48 »


I was amazed that meteorites also used the A14, shame they didn't fly on the correct side of the carriageway.  :D

why amazed  :-\

loads of idiot people with UK driving licences can't sick to their side of the carriageway   :(

well, round by my neck of the woods anyway  ::) 
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #21 on: 21 September 2023, 23:09:13 »

My replacement wasnt fitted quite right and the outer trim has never fitted properly since.  >:( :'(
I took it off as it kept coming loose and it lies behind the shed::)
I assume its just a cosmetic item and doesnt serve an important purpose ?

£100 for a non genuine one on ebay
the seller ended one listing (lower trim inner )and  re-listed it ,after he increased the price when i enquired with part numbers  ::)
so I guess they are rare now

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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #22 on: 21 September 2023, 23:28:56 »

Ok, there should be a vertical cap between the sides of the goalpost moulding and the glass... this is built into the frame to allow rainwater to flow up and off the screen at speed as the wipers clear it.

But yes, the frames and mouldings are all attached to the new screen prior to fitting. This allows the moulding to set the location and depth of the screen.

Dave, you screen looks to be set wrong in both position and depth... almost looks like they went to fit the trims afterwards and pulled the screen out of the aperture trying to get the trims to fit, obviously failing miserably.

If you can get the new frames and mouldings from VX then I would suggest that, otherwise get Autonoglass etc to supply it, watch them like a hawk and refuse to accept it if it doesn't look right, don't fit everything in the correct order or only send one person.

The Omega requires two people to fit the screen correctly (from Autonoglass following their second call back).

Think we covered the whys and wherefores both at that meet and in recent posts  ;)
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #23 on: 21 September 2023, 23:43:02 »

My replacement wasnt fitted quite right and the outer trim has never fitted properly since.  >:( :'(
I took it off as it kept coming loose and it lies behind the shed.  ::)
I assume its just a cosmetic item and doesnt serve an important purpose ?
Apart from locating the screen during fitting, not much :D
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« Reply #24 on: 21 September 2023, 23:50:44 »

Ok, there should be a vertical cap between the sides of the goalpost moulding and the glass... this is built into the frame to allow rainwater to flow up and off the screen at speed as the wipers clear it.

But yes, the frames and mouldings are all attached to the new screen prior to fitting. This allows the moulding to set the location and depth of the screen.
Thanks for the info DG  :)

Dave, you screen looks to be set wrong in both position and depth... almost looks like they went to fit the trims afterwards and pulled the screen out of the aperture trying to get the trims to fit, obviously failing miserably.

that's what I thought  :y

If you can get the new frames and mouldings from VX then I would suggest that, otherwise get Autonoglass etc to supply it, watch them like a hawk and refuse to accept it if it doesn't look right, don't fit everything in the correct order or only send one person.

The Omega requires two people to fit the screen correctly (from Autonoglass following their second call back).

Think we covered the whys and wherefores both at that meet and in recent posts  ;)


I'm going to carefully remove the outer trim , see what delights are underneath , then decide


thanks to everyone for the help  :)
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #25 on: 21 September 2023, 23:57:17 »

Oh , while I remember ,,,
Does anyone know a part number or source for the twist pins that secure the scuttle   :-\

or do I just google "hen's teeth from the saddle bag of a unicorn "

I guess they are rare too  ;D

I only have 2 black ones (which i assume are original) and 2 grey (which don't look original)  :(
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« Reply #26 on: 22 September 2023, 00:32:34 »

https://oeparts24.com/opel

90458358 :y

Also gives all the part numbers for screens, frames and mouldings :y
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« Reply #27 on: 22 September 2023, 11:12:11 »

https://oeparts24.com/opel

90458358 :y

Also gives all the part numbers for screens, frames and mouldings :y
Thanks Al  ;)

seems ,as expected ,the retainers are out of stock everywhere

Fortunately ,as a builder , u can obtain UNIVERSAL WINDOW TRIM & TRIM RETAINERS  :P
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« Reply #28 on: 22 September 2023, 13:31:01 »

https://oeparts24.com/opel

90458358 :y

Also gives all the part numbers for screens, frames and mouldings :y
Thanks Al  ;)

seems ,as expected ,the retainers are out of stock everywhere

Fortunately ,as a builder , u can obtain UNIVERSAL WINDOW TRIM & TRIM RETAINERS  :P
Aka wood screws :D
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #29 on: 22 September 2023, 17:30:42 »

My replacement wasnt fitted quite right and the outer trim has never fitted properly since.  >:( :'(
I took it off as it kept coming loose and it lies behind the shed.  ::)
I assume its just a cosmetic item and doesnt serve an important purpose ?
Apart from locating the screen during fitting, not much :D

Therein lies the cause of the problem. They popped it in after the screen was fitted. Eejits.  >:(
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« Reply #30 on: 25 September 2023, 16:10:20 »

Must be the month for it....



Take a photo of the HUD image projected on the screen before its replaced.

The fitters are using some real cheap shit china glass and its real hit and miss on having the wedge shaded core to get the HUD image to focus and be the correct brightness and size.
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« Reply #31 on: 25 September 2023, 17:46:06 »

Must be the month for it....



Take a photo of the HUD image projected on the screen before its replaced.

The fitters are using some real cheap shit china glass and its real hit and miss on having the wedge shaded core to get the HUD image to focus and be the correct brightness and size.

Will do, cheers  :y
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Re: Windscreen trim
« Reply #32 on: 20 November 2023, 17:37:43 »

Thought I'd update this thread 
prices for trim where crazy .
I've not rushed to have it replaced until now because of the state of the roads etc (risk of it getting broke again )
the cracks where NOT really effecting my view of the road .

Today I had a new screen fitted , NOT through insurance .
I asked a local company to quote it , the chap had done Omega screens before  :)

I took the Omega to him this morning.
the old outer upper trim had been bonded in by the previous cowboy ,took some removing  :(
the lower inner and outer trim where fine .
he replaced the outer trim with a universal one ,which looks very similar to OEM and fitted a new screen  :)

£220 total ,which i was happy with ,I also gave him a "drink"  :P

IIRC the excess IF i did claim on insurance was £125
small print of MY insurance and price comparison sites says a "glass claim" must be declared for 5 YEARS  ::)
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