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Re: Alaskan Door escape
« Reply #30 on: 06 February 2024, 20:41:08 »

Initial investigation has reported that four bolts from the door, were missing altogether !
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Re: Alaskan Door escape
« Reply #31 on: 07 February 2024, 06:20:53 »

Indeed. Something very wrong there... At the very least, Boeing should have an inspection team at Spirit Aero double checking them before they're loaded for shipping and once again once they get to final assembly.

Better yet, bring the fuse assembly back in house.

Obviously, starting with the wrong aircraft hasn't helped  :-X
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Re: Alaskan Door escape
« Reply #32 on: 09 February 2024, 18:52:54 »

Never mind about missing bolts. What about cushions that are too thick?

Talk about putting passengers lives at risk... :o ;D ;D

https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2024/02/08/british-airways-flight-delayed-after-italian-aviation-officials-discover-some-of-the-seat-cushions-were-too-thick-no-really/ 
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Re: Alaskan Door escape
« Reply #33 on: 09 February 2024, 19:03:55 »

Actually that's a thing.

My previous job involved changing the seat covers on easyJet.

On those seats (Recaro) there are at least 9 different size/shape seat cushions and respective covers.

It used to really piss off my bodhitandscarper colleagues because I refused to fit the correct covers to the seat position without performing a survey of the cushions.

No point fitting the correct seat cover for the seat position if the cushion foam was wrong.

Legally, if the rear seat rows had the wrong (wider) foams fitted they didn't fit properly and they also encroach into the aisle which has a minimum certified width. Any narrower and you impede an evacuation.

The overwing cushions are less thick and a different density foam. This is to allow the exit door to be opened onwards without obstruction. It might seem like a petty thing, but in a ditching, the overwing exits on an A320 are a primary exit, so potentially a quarter of all 186 passengers will be expecting to use that exit. If you can't get the door open because the seat cushion is in the way then it could actually kill someone.
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Re: Alaskan Door escape
« Reply #34 on: 09 February 2024, 19:31:57 »

Seeing as how are short haul aircraft all have pleather seat covers, the chances are that cushion was put back in the wrong place by Don't Handle Limpio during a deep clean.

It's a pretty stupid thing to be picked up on during a SAFA spot check. Especially as the correct cushion and cover both have a postcard sized label on them saying EXIT WINDOW ONLY in big red letters :-X
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Re: Alaskan Door escape
« Reply #35 on: 09 February 2024, 20:43:43 »

Seeing as how our short haul aircraft all have pleather seat covers, the chances are that cushion was put back in the wrong place by Don't Handle Limpio during a deep clean.

It's a pretty stupid thing to be picked up on during a SAFA spot check. Especially as the correct cushion and cover both have a postcard sized label on them saying EXIT WINDOW ONLY in big red letters :-X
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Re: Alaskan Door escape
« Reply #36 on: 09 February 2024, 20:45:42 »

Seeing as how our short haul aircraft all have pleather seat covers, the chances are that cushion was put back in the wrong place by Don't Handle Limpio during a deep clean.

It's a pretty stupid thing to be picked up on during a SAFA spot check. Especially as the correct cushion and cover both have a postcard sized label on them saying EXIT WINDOW ONLY in big red letters :-X
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Re: Alaskan Door escape
« Reply #37 on: 09 February 2024, 20:55:22 »

Seeing as how our short haul aircraft all have pleather seat covers, the chances are that cushion was put back in the wrong place by Don't Handle Limpio during a deep clean.

It's a pretty stupid thing to be picked up on during a SAFA spot check. Especially as the correct cushion and cover both have a postcard sized label on them saying EXIT WINDOW ONLY in big red letters :-X
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Re: Alaskan Door escape
« Reply #38 on: 11 February 2024, 01:14:39 »

https://youtu.be/fnFzT6aUehg?si=LrkMaPuSDi8ecF8V

NTSB preliminary report and evaluation thereof.
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Re: Alaskan Door escape
« Reply #39 on: 11 February 2024, 22:12:18 »

Indeed. Something very wrong there... At the very least, Boeing should have an inspection team at Spirit Aero double checking them before they're loaded for shipping and once again once they get to final assembly.

Better yet, bring the fuse assembly back in house.

Obviously, starting with the wrong aircraft hasn't helped  :-X

It's a pretty basic quality failing, you would expect them to weigh the assembly as part of the QC to make sure there is the correct part count as a minimum.
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Re: Alaskan Door escape
« Reply #40 on: 11 February 2024, 22:27:59 »

Im glad I dont do flying any more.  ;D
Havent been on a plane for nearly 10 years and have no plans to do so.
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Re: Alaskan Door escape
« Reply #41 on: 11 February 2024, 23:13:21 »

Indeed. Something very wrong there... At the very least, Boeing should have an inspection team at Spirit Aero double checking them before they're loaded for shipping and once again once they get to final assembly.

Better yet, bring the fuse assembly back in house.

Obviously, starting with the wrong aircraft hasn't helped  :-X

It's a pretty basic quality failing, you would expect them to weigh the assembly as part of the QC to make sure there is the correct part count as a minimum.
Weighing the door wouldn't have helped as the bolts would have been removed to get the door assembly off for weighing...

Boeing and Spirit bang to rights as the door was removed during final assembly in order to allow Spirit techs to rework 5 rivets. Photo evidence taken during the post rework reassembly shows the interior being reassembled with the door back in place and ALL four bolts NOT present. It's a wonder that the door hadn't already popped open during a rough landing.

Whether the oversight was criminal or not is upto to the NTSB to decide, but someone screwed up and someone else failed to spot it. Even simple maintenance tasks are checked and double checked to avoid this very thing.

Unfortunately, with the potential increase on A320 family production as a result, the chances of this same thing happening at Airbus are statistically quite high.
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Re: Alaskan Door escape
« Reply #42 on: 12 February 2024, 06:39:03 »

Indeed. Something very wrong there... At the very least, Boeing should have an inspection team at Spirit Aero double checking them before they're loaded for shipping and once again once they get to final assembly.

Better yet, bring the fuse assembly back in house.

Obviously, starting with the wrong aircraft hasn't helped  :-X

It's a pretty basic quality failing, you would expect them to weigh the assembly as part of the QC to make sure there is the correct part count as a minimum.
Weighing the door wouldn't have helped as the bolts would have been removed to get the door assembly off for weighing...

Boeing and Spirit bang to rights as the door was removed during final assembly in order to allow Spirit techs to rework 5 rivets. Photo evidence taken during the post rework reassembly shows the interior being reassembled with the door back in place and ALL four bolts NOT present. It's a wonder that the door hadn't already popped open during a rough landing.

Whether the oversight was criminal or not is upto to the NTSB to decide, but someone screwed up and someone else failed to spot it. Even simple maintenance tasks are checked and double checked to avoid this very thing.

Unfortunately, with the potential increase on A320 family production as a result, the chances of this same thing happening at Airbus are statistically quite high.
Or didn't.
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