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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: STEMO on 09 January 2023, 20:13:21
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From money mail motoring:
Electric vehicles can be more expensive to fill up on the open road than their petrol and diesel equivalents as the cost of utilities continue to spiral.
Pricing structures at national charging networks mean that fees can be three times more than refuelling with fossil fuels on a mile-for-mile basis, given the greater ranges of petrol and diesel cars.
The Daily Mail found that the new Kia Niro EV would cost £51.19 to charge from empty with the Osprey network for a quoted estimated range of 285 miles.
The new Niro (mild) hybrid petrol variant would cost £64.70 to fill from empty at the current average UK petrol price of £1.54/litre. Although that is more than the electric vehicle (EV), it can cover more than double the range, making it cheaper mile for mile.
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and the petrol car won't need £10,000 worth of new batteries at year 7 to 10 :P
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From money mail motoring:
Electric vehicles can be more expensive to fill up on the open road than their petrol and diesel equivalents as the cost of utilities continue to spiral.
Pricing structures at national charging networks mean that fees can be three times more than refuelling with fossil fuels on a mile-for-mile basis, given the greater ranges of petrol and diesel cars.
The Daily Mail found that the new Kia Niro EV would cost £51.19 to charge from empty with the Osprey network for a quoted estimated range of 285 miles.
The new Niro (mild) hybrid petrol variant would cost £64.70 to fill from empty at the current average UK petrol price of £1.54/litre. Although that is more than the electric vehicle (EV), it can cover more than double the range, making it cheaper mile for mile.
You know it, I know it and the majority of the motoring public know it. Unless you are a sheep of course....
Having driven a good few electric cars for work, the majority over a long distance, I've yet to find any real incentive to buy or own one....but then I have been called a 'petrol head' on more than one occasion for good reason... ;D
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It's nearly £10,000 cheaper too.
And you ça save another £20,000 buying something better used.
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All the large motoring organisations have been banging on about this for ages now.
If you have a charger at home (proper one, not a 13A adapter, as that can't charge a pure EV fast enough, so you're looking at 7KW ones if you don't use the car much, or 22KW if you need to fully charge a decent range car overnight), it generally works out slightly cheaper per mile for the EV on pure fuel costs alone with the current price cap on electricity.
If you only have a 13A charger at home, thus reliant on driving to, and wasting hours at, public charge points, then you're a spanner short of a toolbox, as the costs are higher than petrol/diesel, and you spend half your life drinking coffee waiting for your unsuitable milk float to fill up.
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And the price of coffee is scandalous too😱
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A friend has recently replaced a Leaf with a six month newer one.
Apparently it has a range of 80 miles. She's about to start a new job 40 miles away and is starting to worry about it but cannot afford to buy petrol.
I suggested selling said Leaf and buying something small and economical for a grand and putting the money to one side. The price differential equates to at least three years petrol costs.
Apparently she only got the newer Leaf at the direction of her husband, although I suspect that he is trying to stop her from wandering too far (but that's a different issue altogether).
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A friend has recently replaced a Leaf with a six month newer one.
Apparently it has a range of 80 miles. She's about to start a new job 40 miles away and is starting to worry about it but cannot afford to buy petrol.
I suggested selling said Leaf and buying something small and economical for a grand and putting the money to one side. The price differential equates to at least three years petrol costs.
Apparently she only got the newer Leaf at the direction of her husband, although I suspect that he is trying to stop her from wandering too far (but that's a different issue altogether).
80 mile range? What's the use of that? :-\
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Or is that just on battery before the petrol engine kicks in?
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SFA.
She currently walks to work and uses it for errands, but it was purchased after she got the job she is about to start, in the knowledge of her commute, Which makes me suspicious of the motives behind the purchase as I think there are some control issues going on as no-one in their right mind would have made that choice under the circumstances... 🤔
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Or is that just on battery before the petrol engine kicks in?
Leaf is full electric. The ones we had at a previous job struggled to manage 70 miles and often were nearer 40. And they just trundled around the airport.
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SFA.
She currently walks to work and uses it for errands, but it was purchased after she got the job she is about to start, in the knowledge of her commute, Which makes me suspicious of the motives behind the purchase as I think there are some control issues going on as no-one in their right mind would have made that choice under the circumstances... 🤔
Of course, a quoted 80 mile range will turn into 65 in real driving conditions.
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that 80m is ideal-ish condition. Put the heater on in the winter, half that.
Plus there is the thing about trying to keep the battery in the 20% to 80% bracket, to protect it.
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I recently was asked to deliver an electric Porsche from the North West to Maidstone in Kent. Bring restricted to a certain make / supplier of charging points due to the company account, I had to plan my route relative to where these points were located. This obviously doesn't take into account of any traffic issues that may result in a change of route. First stop to charge was Stafford; 40 minutes later I was back mobile. The next planned stop to charge the vehicle so that it had as near full capacity on arrival was on the M25 at Cobham. All the charging points were occupied, and there were at least 3 vehicles in front of me waiting to get on a charge point. In conversation, the chap in front of me stated that he had had to come from Maidstone (as chance would have it) to Cobham purely to charge his vehicle as he was restricted to particular companies charging points, and the ones at Maidstone were not accepting his card..... Not having the time or desire to wait for another 1 1/2 hours to charge it again, I decided to chance it to my destination, driving with care. I arrived with 13 miles of range left.
Electric cars - no thanks.
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That's like going back to the the days of stagecoaches where they had to go from coaching inn to coaching inn to change horses. ::)
Progress! :)
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That's like going back to the the days of stagecoaches where they had to go from coaching inn to coaching inn to change horses. ::)
Progress! :)
Even more recently than that, petrol used to be sold in cans from chemist shops. And it wasn't a big seller.
Pre WW1, both petrol and electric cars were equally crap and inconvenient. WW1 dramatically accelerated engine development, but not battery tech, so we now consider ICE to be normal.
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That's like going back to the the days of stagecoaches where they had to go from coaching inn to coaching inn to change horses. ::)
Progress! :)
Even more recently than that, petrol used to be sold in cans from chemist shops. And it wasn't a big seller.
Pre WW1, both petrol and electric cars were equally crap and inconvenient. WW1 dramatically accelerated engine development, but not battery tech, so we now consider ICE to be normal.
around the same time it was common for people to take their lead acid wireless accumulators to the wireless shop because they weren't able to charge them at home.
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It was awkward enough planning fuel stops when I had LPG, but at least I had a tank of petrol to fall back on then.
I was almost half tempted to get a 2nd hand EV for commuting only back when leccy was a sensible price, given that most will handle my 50 mile commute and charging at home would be no problem.
You'd need your head examined if even considering one nowadays. :o
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Problem is of course that if you're buying new then pretty soon you'll have no option but to buy EV
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Driving will soon be only for the elite, again.
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Problem is of course that if you're buying new then pretty soon you'll have no option but to buy EV
You think so? Knee jerk policy without proper planning has never worked, as was proved by Blairs 'marching yobs to cash machines and fining them'. No new gas boilers after 2025? That's two years away.
When nurses, doctors, teachers, engineers, anyone can't get to work because they have no transport, we'll see how things pan out.
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I'm retired and Mo is going in 2031 when she's 60, so they can do as they fickin like.
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I have the proper charger with free electricity on tap from it. Just need to be able to afford the bloody car. ::) :D
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I read the other day that Westminster has more public charging points, than Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Bradford and Sheffield together.
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Problem is of course that if you're buying new then pretty soon you'll have no option but to buy EV
You think so? Knee jerk policy without proper planning has never worked, as was proved by Blairs 'marching yobs to cash machines and fining them'. No new gas boilers after 2025? That's two years away.
When nurses, doctors, teachers, engineers, anyone can't get to work because they have no transport, we'll see how things pan out.
And that’s if they are all done striking 🤷♂️
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Seems a lot of pitfalls with the cars that "will save the planet" but somehow I had already realised that when all this utter nonsense started, our roads are probably the worst in Europe and are getting worse and in a few years a whole new way of motoring is about to begin, somehow I think not..😂
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I'm thinking of getting the newest diesel I can afford to see me out until I have to give up driving ::) Pretty sure that fuel will still be available for some time after that
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/james-may-e2-80-99s-guide-to-electric-car-ownership/ar-AA168oPi
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I'm thinking of getting the newest diesel I can afford to see me out until I have to give up driving ::) Pretty sure that fuel will still be available for some time after that
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/james-may-e2-80-99s-guide-to-electric-car-ownership/ar-AA168oPi
Buy petrol and as long as it isn't a VW/Audi product it should be pretty reliable.
A new diesel car will have Adblue, a DPF filter and stupidly high pressure injection systems that are notoriously expensive to fix.
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Yep my next car will be petrol I think, mainly because clean air zones will proliferate as councils across the country cotton on to the revenue raising possibilities and as things stand most petrol cars are exempt from charges.
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Yes I've already said that when the RR is due to go I'll get a petrol Subaru & a smaller caravan hoping that is a while away yet.
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I’m going to put a bigger billet wheeled hybrid turbo on the Evo soon😂🤣😂🤣
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In addition to the cost of charging you need to add £10 for 2 or 3 cups of coffee from Starbucks, while you wait bored shitless for the glorified PP9 to fully charge.
This is assuming you can find a charger that works and there is not a long queue.
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My dear Opti, may I refer you to reply #5. :y
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Mine still works well for us, by far the cheapest car to fuel we have :y
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My dear Opti, may I refer you to reply #5. :y
Ah....I see now. Your reply to a comment make by the fat controller. :D ;)
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🤭🤭
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Mine still works well for us, by far the cheapest car to fuel we have :y
If you can charge them at home, or better yet at the office for free, they are a financial no-brainer, particularly if leased through work.
If you have to rely on public rapid chargers, they're seriously inconvenient and expensive.
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Mine still works well for us, by far the cheapest car to fuel we have :y
IIRC, you got a 22KW charger at home as part of the deal? It probably wouldn't work if you only had a 13A charger (well, given the number of cars the DTM household has, it probably wouldn't matter ;D), or if you were reliant on public chargers, which some people are.
You still managing the to "borrow" electricity from work?
I will say, after that quick blast in your I-Pace, I did have a quick gander ;D. But just too expensive for us.
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Which is the other of the two significant issues.
Until EVs are available for the same price as an equivalent sized IC car, with comparable range, they simply aren't worth bothering with as the maths just doesn't work. Even if you compare the EV version of summat with the IC version of the same car, the price differential means you can effectively fuel it for free over three years, something that an EV can only do if you have access to free charging at work. And how long until that is taxed as a BIK like a fuel card?
A £1,000 1.4 anything will do 40mpg all day long and even a small car will see 350 miles without trying. And fixing the entire car will cost less than a new battery.
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Yes and once they get a load of them bought and on our roads they will definitely find some half arsed excuse to double some or other stealth tax and your fkd of course when you’ve committed to buying one of them
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Mine still works well for us, by far the cheapest car to fuel we have :y
Giles Coren wasn't as impressed with his ..... as per Jeremy Whine show the other day ;)
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People are starting to think EV's may have been over hyped:
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-11619661/Used-Tesla-values-come-crash-Prices-18k.html
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I notice that the model X is too posh to have gull wing doors and has falcon wing doors instead ;D
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Mine still works well for us, by far the cheapest car to fuel we have :y
Giles Coren wasn't as impressed with his ..... as per Jeremy Whine show the other day ;)
Hes an arsehole, he wouldn't have had it stolen as often if he actually locked it...... :y
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Mine still works well for us, by far the cheapest car to fuel we have :y
IIRC, you got a 22KW charger at home as part of the deal? It probably wouldn't work if you only had a 13A charger (well, given the number of cars the DTM household has, it probably wouldn't matter ;D), or if you were reliant on public chargers, which some people are.
You still managing the to "borrow" electricity from work?
I will say, after that quick blast in your I-Pace, I did have a quick gander ;D. But just too expensive for us.
Its a 7kW (as that is the max you can get at home), but works well enough.
And yes, the comopany electricity 'loan' scheme is still active :y
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Yes and once they get a load of them bought and on our roads they will definitely find some half arsed excuse to double some or other stealth tax and your fkd of course when you’ve committed to buying one of them
Anyone who bought an EV thinking that charging one wasn't quickly going to be taxed at least as much as fuel is a oppsing idiot. Just look back 30 years at what happened to diesel.
Now that's starting to happen, the day to day cost of 'fuelling' one has dramatically narrowed the price gap with petrol/diesel. Combine the profiteering massive extra cost of buying the thing in the first place with the extra inconvenience for more than occasional local use, and the maths no longer adds up for most people. And that was their main justification for buying one, with a warm fuzzy feeling as a nice bonus.
Warm fuzzy feelings are a terrible way of making complex decisions, especially when no politician is brave enough to tell the whole and unpalatable truth: we've become slaves to personal mobility because it looked affordable. That bill is now due, and it's expensive. This is the real reason for the introduction of 'stealth' taxes for driving in cities, and is why those are derided by people who can't won't believe.
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Mine still works well for us, by far the cheapest car to fuel we have :y
IIRC, you got a 22KW charger at home as part of the deal? It probably wouldn't work if you only had a 13A charger (well, given the number of cars the DTM household has, it probably wouldn't matter ;D), or if you were reliant on public chargers, which some people are.
You still managing the to "borrow" electricity from work?
I will say, after that quick blast in your I-Pace, I did have a quick gander ;D. But just too expensive for us.
Its a 7kW (as that is the max you can get at home), but works well enough.
And yes, the comopany electricity 'loan' scheme is still active :y
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Pretty certain you can get 22KW at home now, but might be dependent on feed, or potentially a second feed.
7KW might not work for some, as I imagine the I-Pace is a 100KWhr batt, or there abouts? The maths using 100% charging efficiency (;D) is simple enough.
But for those it works for, I've always said electric motors are as near to an ideal traction power you can get, technically. Though I will accept Opti's undoubted view about soul and excitement.
For those, its the remaining worries are purchase price and the relative unknown of battery ageing, and subsequent battery replacement costs, particularly in the 2nd user market.
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Anyone who bought an EV thinking that charging one wasn't quickly going to be taxed at least as much as fuel is a oppsing idiot. Just look back 30 years at what happened to diesel.
I suspect the usual suspects will be lobbying for ICE cars to be royally raped in taxation soon, thereby forcing everyone to either public transport only, or the perceived utopia of 100% green, carbon free, electricity.
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I notice that the model X is too posh to have gull wing doors and has falcon wing doors instead ;D
They're double hinged, where as gull wing are singe hinged ;)
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What's the range for the ipace? Hypothetical and actual.
3 phase 32 amp 240v charging works out at 13.29kwh, so £31 for 7 hours charge... Assuming that you use 93%of the battery.
Factor in the preffered battery usage window of 20-80% that gives you an ideal range of about 60% of whatever figure the marketing wank suggests and that's before you use it in the cold or rain.
So whilst it may cost significantly less to 'fill' than an IC car, the actual unit cost per mile available is much higher.
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I notice that the model X is too posh to have gull wing doors and has falcon wing doors instead ;D
They're double hinged, where as gull wing are single hinged ;)
What a marketing feature!
Double hinged doors!
From Tesla, so unless they're battery operated, there's a bloody good chance of them dropping on your head!
Who wouldn't be convinced?
At least we know where the genius who decided the key to making the mk4 Golf microscopically less boring was to have blue dashlights, ended up.
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;D
I think the theory is that they can be opened in a tight space. Obviously they hadn't considered what might happen in a multi storey carpark with a 7' clearance under a beam ;D
Which is probably why the sliding door was invented ::)
Different colour dash lights on the various VW products is the only way to tell them apart :-X
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Yes and once they get a load of them bought and on our roads they will definitely find some half arsed excuse to double some or other stealth tax and your fkd of course when you’ve committed to buying one of them
Anyone who bought an EV thinking that charging one wasn't quickly going to be taxed at least as much as fuel is a oppsing idiot. Just look back 30 years at what happened to diesel.
Now that's starting to happen, the day to day cost of 'fuelling' one has dramatically narrowed the price gap with petrol/diesel. Combine the profiteering massive extra cost of buying the thing in the first place with the extra inconvenience for more than occasional local use, and the maths no longer adds up for most people. And that was their main justification for buying one, with a warm fuzzy feeling as a nice bonus.
Warm fuzzy feelings are a terrible way of making complex decisions, especially when no politician is brave enough to tell the whole and unpalatable truth: we've become slaves to personal mobility because it looked affordable. That bill is now due, and it's expensive. This is the real reason for the introduction of 'stealth' taxes for driving in cities, and is why those are derided by people who can't won't believe.
Or in short we’re going to get bent over and shafted once again and with increasing frequency.
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Mine still works well for us, by far the cheapest car to fuel we have :y
IIRC, you got a 22KW charger at home as part of the deal? It probably wouldn't work if you only had a 13A charger (well, given the number of cars the DTM household has, it probably wouldn't matter ;D), or if you were reliant on public chargers, which some people are.
You still managing the to "borrow" electricity from work?
I will say, after that quick blast in your I-Pace, I did have a quick gander ;D. But just too expensive for us.
Its a 7kW (as that is the max you can get at home), but works well enough.
And yes, the comopany electricity 'loan' scheme is still active :y
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Pretty certain you can get 22KW at home now, but might be dependent on feed, or potentially a second feed.
7KW might not work for some, as I imagine the I-Pace is a 100KWhr batt, or there abouts? The maths using 100% charging efficiency (;D) is simple enough.
But for those it works for, I've always said electric motors are as near to an ideal traction power you can get, technically. Though I will accept Opti's undoubted view about soul and excitement.
For those, its the remaining worries are purchase price and the relative unknown of battery ageing, and subsequent battery replacement costs, particularly in the 2nd user market.
22kW requires a 3 phase supply :y
Battery ageing looks to be very dependent on technology and the company, Ours are doing very well, as are Tesla, VAG and Renault on the other hand are shockingly bad
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What's the range for the ipace? Hypothetical and actual.
3 phase 32 amp 240v charging works out at 13.29kwh, so £31 for 7 hours charge... Assuming that you use 93%of the battery.
Factor in the preffered battery usage window of 20-80% that gives you an ideal range of about 60% of whatever figure the marketing wank suggests and that's before you use it in the cold or rain.
So whilst it may cost significantly less to 'fill' than an IC car, the actual unit cost per mile available is much higher.
Different between summer and winter.
In the summer I managed to do a round trip from Nottingham to Scarborough and back on a single charge (so about 250 miles).
In the cold we get about 200-210 miles so still not to bad.
What you have to bare in mind is that the iPace does not let you fully charge or discharge the battery (so 100% on the cluster is actually around 93% on the actual battery)
By the way, your calcs for a 3 phase supply are wrong (it is 22kW) :y
The marketing figures are actually a driven figure based on a standard cycle but, its done at a certain model spec and in a certain 'climate', so think very narrow tyres, low spec, low weight etc. Of course nobody buys the pram wheels or the bogo spec
Its smart charging at night rates so much less than that to fill (and less still at work)
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I notice that the model X is too posh to have gull wing doors and has falcon wing doors instead ;D
They're double hinged, where as gull wing are singe hinged ;)
Not interlocked with drive enable though.....:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEYcoqBLifQ
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I notice that the model X is too posh to have gull wing doors and has falcon wing doors instead ;D
They're double hinged, where as gull wing are singe hinged ;)
Not interlocked with drive enable though.....:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEYcoqBLifQ
Who is the driver?....Forrest Gump.
"Mama always used to say stupid is as stupid does" :)
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Yes and once they get a load of them bought and on our roads they will definitely find some half arsed excuse to double some or other stealth tax and your fkd of course when you’ve committed to buying one of them
Anyone who bought an EV thinking that charging one wasn't quickly going to be taxed at least as much as fuel is a oppsing idiot. Just look back 30 years at what happened to diesel.
Now that's starting to happen, the day to day cost of 'fuelling' one has dramatically narrowed the price gap with petrol/diesel. Combine the profiteering massive extra cost of buying the thing in the first place with the extra inconvenience for more than occasional local use, and the maths no longer adds up for most people. And that was their main justification for buying one, with a warm fuzzy feeling as a nice bonus.
Warm fuzzy feelings are a terrible way of making complex decisions, especially when no politician is brave enough to tell the whole and unpalatable truth: we've become slaves to personal mobility because it looked affordable. That bill is now due, and it's expensive. This is the real reason for the introduction of 'stealth' taxes for driving in cities, and is why those are derided by people who can't won't believe.
Or in short we’re going to get bent over and shafted once again and with increasing frequency.
It started 70 years ago when the roads began to fill with people driving their own cars to work and play. It got worse when they decided that driving for 90minutes each way was acceptable in time, money and resources. The total costs of that were never entirely apparent, unlike now. Perhaps we should bill our parents for them? Except they paid for the overuse of coal, and their parents for horses, and before that something had to be done about the wood supply, or the lack of caves to live in.
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Maths was based on the following...
(square root of 3)1.73 x 32A x 240V = 13,286.4Wh or 13.29kWh
So to charge 93kW would take 7 hours.
22kWh would require a current of 53A which is somewhat optimistic for a domestic supply, even three phase.
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Yes and once they get a load of them bought and on our roads they will definitely find some half arsed excuse to double some or other stealth tax and your fkd of course when you’ve committed to buying one of them
Anyone who bought an EV thinking that charging one wasn't quickly going to be taxed at least as much as fuel is a oppsing idiot. Just look back 30 years at what happened to diesel.
Now that's starting to happen, the day to day cost of 'fuelling' one has dramatically narrowed the price gap with petrol/diesel. Combine the profiteering massive extra cost of buying the thing in the first place with the extra inconvenience for more than occasional local use, and the maths no longer adds up for most people. And that was their main justification for buying one, with a warm fuzzy feeling as a nice bonus.
Warm fuzzy feelings are a terrible way of making complex decisions, especially when no politician is brave enough to tell the whole and unpalatable truth: we've become slaves to personal mobility because it looked affordable. That bill is now due, and it's expensive. This is the real reason for the introduction of 'stealth' taxes for driving in cities, and is why those are derided by people who can't won't believe.
Or in short we’re going to get bent over and shafted once again and with increasing frequency.
It started 70 years ago when the roads began to fill with people driving their own cars to work and play. It got worse when they decided that driving for 90minutes each way was acceptable in time, money and resources. The total costs of that were never entirely apparent, unlike now. Perhaps we should bill our parents for them? Except they paid for the overuse of coal, and their parents for horses, and before that something had to be done about the wood supply, or the lack of caves to live in.
Here's the thing... 5,500 people live in my village. Assuming that only half are of working age, there aren't 2,750 jobs within a 15 minute anything.
You only need to go 4 miles up the road and there's two villages with 10,000 people in each, so using the same assumption that's another 5,000 people to employ. So in a 4 mile radius that's conservatively about 13,000 people to employ. And that's just three villages. You don't have to go too much further to start hitting towns with population in the tens of thousands.
As long as free choice exists, then people will commute to those places either with negative unemployment or where their specific skill set has value. The alternative is that we all become slaves of the state with free food, water, housing and energy.
Unfortunately time and time again, this Marxist utopia simply doesn't work and will therefore never exist.
And even if it could, it would take so long to set up the infrastructure that it will take whole millenia to achieve, Neom being a case in point.
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If we banned farm machinery to cut down on emissions, all those villagers could go and work the land like they did in the olden days. :)
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Just a shame that they've built housing on all those fields ;D
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That's just nit picking. ::) ;D
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Stopping wars would be a very good thing for the planet……. Any thoughts on that bombshell😭
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Maths was based on the following...
(square root of 3)1.73 x 32A x 240V = 13,286.4Wh or 13.29kWh
So to charge 93kW would take 7 hours.
22kWh would require a current of 53A which is somewhat optimistic for a domestic supply, even three phase.
Why root 3? The correction you're applying is already accounted for in the 240V RMS calculation of voltage.
Most normal houses only have single phase, and the supply is typically fused at 60A. Flats can be 30A, but if you're living in a flat on the 12th floor of Nelson Mandela house then charging an EV is going to be problematic anyway. You can ask for the 30A/60A to be upgraded to 80A or 100A on a single phase.
A 22Kw wall charger does require 3 phase. Again you can ask to be upgraded. I suspect the local distribution grid is going to struggle though if/when every house in a street wants it.
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From here, granted we're not talking about a motor, but draw is draw.
The 32A was the suggested current for domestic 3 phase in the UK.
If greater is available, have at it, but the cost of charging at those rates isn't going to improve.
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From here, granted we're not talking about a motor, but draw is draw.
The 32A was the suggested current for domestic 3 phase in the UK.
If greater is available, have at it, but the cost of charging at those rates isn't going to improve.
30A @ 240V is 7.2Kw. Would've thought that a bit low for a house - even a small one. Got a feeling that my home electric cooker is fused at 30A on it's own. Will have a look at the main fuse when I get home. We've got 3 phase 100A here at work - so potentially 72KW.
But you're right - if you want to charge a 100KWh battery from flat to full, then you're going to need 100KW of electrons*. The supply capacity only really affects how long it takes to get those electrons into the battery* - the cost will be similar (assuming you're not on some day/night tarrif).
* that's not how it works. There are the same number of electrons in a charged battery as there are in a discharged one. The charged ones just have a higher energy state. :-)
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We have two separate 30A lines in the house. One runs the cooker supply, tother used to be the shower, but has been rerouted to the garage. Currently isolated but the idea being to allow 30A single phase to be used for garage type stuff. ;)
Some interesting 3 phase things here:
https://www.meterboxesdirect.co.uk/three-phase-electricity-uk#:~:text=The%20three%2Dphase%20power%20circuit,for%20commercial%20and%20industrial%20buildings.
The 32A in my example previously was a from here: https://www.spiritenergy.co.uk/kb-ev-understanding-electric-car-charging#:~:text=Fast%20charging%20is%20defined%20as,The%20required%20current%20is%2032A.
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I notice that the model X is too posh to have gull wing doors and has falcon wing doors instead ;D
They're double hinged, where as gull wing are singe hinged ;)
I see. So triple hinged would be......pterodactyl wings? ;D
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I notice that the model X is too posh to have gull wing doors and has falcon wing doors instead ;D
They're double hinged, where as gull wing are singe hinged ;)
I see. So triple hinged would be......pterodactyl wings? ;D
You're completely unhinged! :D
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I only said, in my first post, that running an EV was becoming expensive. I didn't expect us all to become slaves by page 4 :'(
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I notice that the model X is too posh to have gull wing doors and has falcon wing doors instead ;D
They're double hinged, where as gull wing are singe hinged ;)
I see. So triple hinged would be......pterodactyl wings? ;D
Did you know.....that pter means wing or feather? Yes, probably. But did you also know that helicopter has those four letters at the end? No, you didn't ;D
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I only said, in my first post, that running an EV was becoming expensive. I didn't expect us all to become slaves by page 4 :'(
Well, that'll learn you...
I hope that there will be some sort of revolution long before that point, assuming any of us are around to see it.
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Maths was based on the following...
(square root of 3)1.73 x 32A x 240V = 13,286.4Wh or 13.29kWh
So to charge 93kW would take 7 hours.
22kWh would require a current of 53A which is somewhat optimistic for a domestic supply, even three phase.
Yes, its wrong!
Its 3 phase so 1.73 x 32 x 400 = 22kW power available :y
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Maths was based on the following...
(square root of 3)1.73 x 32A x 240V = 13,286.4Wh or 13.29kWh
So to charge 93kW would take 7 hours.
22kWh would require a current of 53A which is somewhat optimistic for a domestic supply, even three phase.
Why root 3? The correction you're applying is already accounted for in the 240V RMS calculation of voltage.
Most normal houses only have single phase, and the supply is typically fused at 60A. Flats can be 30A, but if you're living in a flat on the 12th floor of Nelson Mandela house then charging an EV is going to be problematic anyway. You can ask for the 30A/60A to be upgraded to 80A or 100A on a single phase.
A 22Kw wall charger does require 3 phase. Again you can ask to be upgraded. I suspect the local distribution grid is going to struggle though if/when every house in a street wants it.
root 3 is used for 3 phase power calcs as you don't actually get '3' times the power when its a 3 phase machine in delta wiring (you can in star but then the voltage is lower), but the voltage is 400 not 230 :y
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Maths was based on the following...
(square root of 3)1.73 x 32A x 240V = 13,286.4Wh or 13.29kWh
So to charge 93kW would take 7 hours.
22kWh would require a current of 53A which is somewhat optimistic for a domestic supply, even three phase.
Yes, its wrong!
Its 3 phase so 1.73 x 32 x 400 = 22kW power available :y
Ah OK if the current is lower, the voltage has to be increased to output. Makes a bit more sense :y
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Maths was based on the following...
(square root of 3)1.73 x 32A x 240V = 13,286.4Wh or 13.29kWh
So to charge 93kW would take 7 hours.
22kWh would require a current of 53A which is somewhat optimistic for a domestic supply, even three phase.
Why root 3? The correction you're applying is already accounted for in the 240V RMS calculation of voltage.
Most normal houses only have single phase, and the supply is typically fused at 60A. Flats can be 30A, but if you're living in a flat on the 12th floor of Nelson Mandela house then charging an EV is going to be problematic anyway. You can ask for the 30A/60A to be upgraded to 80A or 100A on a single phase.
A 22Kw wall charger does require 3 phase. Again you can ask to be upgraded. I suspect the local distribution grid is going to struggle though if/when every house in a street wants it.
root 3 is used for 3 phase power calcs as you don't actually get '3' times the power when its a 3 phase machine in delta wiring (you can in star but then the voltage is lower), but the voltage is 400 not 230 :y
Yes, I know, that's why I said the root 3 bit is already taken into account in the 240V RMS. 400V / root(3) = 230.9V.
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Maths was based on the following...
(square root of 3)1.73 x 32A x 240V = 13,286.4Wh or 13.29kWh
So to charge 93kW would take 7 hours.
22kWh would require a current of 53A which is somewhat optimistic for a domestic supply, even three phase.
Why root 3? The correction you're applying is already accounted for in the 240V RMS calculation of voltage.
Most normal houses only have single phase, and the supply is typically fused at 60A. Flats can be 30A, but if you're living in a flat on the 12th floor of Nelson Mandela house then charging an EV is going to be problematic anyway. You can ask for the 30A/60A to be upgraded to 80A or 100A on a single phase.
A 22Kw wall charger does require 3 phase. Again you can ask to be upgraded. I suspect the local distribution grid is going to struggle though if/when every house in a street wants it.
root 3 is used for 3 phase power calcs as you don't actually get '3' times the power when its a 3 phase machine in delta wiring (you can in star but then the voltage is lower), but the voltage is 400 not 230 :y
Yes, I know, that's why I said the root 3 bit is already taken into account in the 240V RMS. 400V / root(3) = 230.9V.
It's all irrelevant because the diversity used in sizing the substation that feeds your housing estate means it'll soon explode if every property draws 22 kW for most of the night. ;D
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.. and then there's the heat pumps we're all told we'll need when they ban gas boilers. ;D
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When are the idiots who keep pedalling all of this utopian shite going to realise that it's a physical impossibility to have the infrastructure needed to implement their vision ready in time?
It's quite scary to hear this nonsense roll off their tongues when, surely, deep down, they know it just can't happen. Who, in a position to be heard, is going to call them out? It's like the wokes, who have managed to quieten any form of contradiction. No one is arguing against this unachievable timescale. Why?
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It seems like they are hoping, rather then doing any actual planning.
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It seems like they are hoping, rather then doing any actual planning.
They have virtue on their side. They are good people. ::)
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It seems like they are hoping, rather then doing any actual planning.
They have virtue on their side. They are good people. ::)
The opps they are. They're the exact polar opposite of good people.
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They are but they have the loudest voices somehow??🤷♂️
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It seems like they are hoping, rather then doing any actual planning.
They are politicians who are deliberately educated to have no knowledge, competence or expertise in anything useful. They are then trained to think that six months is far enough in the future for anything they say, or decisions they can't avoid, to be forgotten. And don't forget the career progression: don't opps up anything too public so their post politics executive directorship or public speaking scams are still possible.
Then there is the general public, who either aspire to be hopeless dreamers or are ill-informed imbeciles who are the definition of confirmation bias. It's depressingly common to find both these traits together, and in politicians - Liz Truss is the current example.
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I agree 👍
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Maths was based on the following...
(square root of 3)1.73 x 32A x 240V = 13,286.4Wh or 13.29kWh
So to charge 93kW would take 7 hours.
22kWh would require a current of 53A which is somewhat optimistic for a domestic supply, even three phase.
Why root 3? The correction you're applying is already accounted for in the 240V RMS calculation of voltage.
Most normal houses only have single phase, and the supply is typically fused at 60A. Flats can be 30A, but if you're living in a flat on the 12th floor of Nelson Mandela house then charging an EV is going to be problematic anyway. You can ask for the 30A/60A to be upgraded to 80A or 100A on a single phase.
A 22Kw wall charger does require 3 phase. Again you can ask to be upgraded. I suspect the local distribution grid is going to struggle though if/when every house in a street wants it.
root 3 is used for 3 phase power calcs as you don't actually get '3' times the power when its a 3 phase machine in delta wiring (you can in star but then the voltage is lower), but the voltage is 400 not 230 :y
Yes, I know, that's why I said the root 3 bit is already taken into account in the 240V RMS. 400V / root(3) = 230.9V.
Er no......its root 2 (0.707 as we use) to get from peek to RMS as peek mains (Line to Neutral) is 325V
With three phase, having waveforms which are 120 degrees out of phase with each other, the line to line volts is greater at 400V RMS, line to neutral is still 230V
Simples!
So with a 3 phase supply you can either operate 230V (Line to neutral) or 400V (Line to Line).
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Wow all sounds very complicated, I'll stick with Sainsbury's pumps, just have to choose petrol or diesel...
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Wow all sounds very complicated, I'll stick with Sainsbury's pumps, just have to choose petrol or diesel...
The man on the street just needs to know it bites if you touch the live and bites more if you grab two lives on a 3 phase setup ;D
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Maths was based on the following...
(square root of 3)1.73 x 32A x 240V = 13,286.4Wh or 13.29kWh
So to charge 93kW would take 7 hours.
22kWh would require a current of 53A which is somewhat optimistic for a domestic supply, even three phase.
Why root 3? The correction you're applying is already accounted for in the 240V RMS calculation of voltage.
Most normal houses only have single phase, and the supply is typically fused at 60A. Flats can be 30A, but if you're living in a flat on the 12th floor of Nelson Mandela house then charging an EV is going to be problematic anyway. You can ask for the 30A/60A to be upgraded to 80A or 100A on a single phase.
A 22Kw wall charger does require 3 phase. Again you can ask to be upgraded. I suspect the local distribution grid is going to struggle though if/when every house in a street wants it.
root 3 is used for 3 phase power calcs as you don't actually get '3' times the power when its a 3 phase machine in delta wiring (you can in star but then the voltage is lower), but the voltage is 400 not 230 :y
Yes, I know, that's why I said the root 3 bit is already taken into account in the 240V RMS. 400V / root(3) = 230.9V.
Er no......its root 2 (0.707 as we use) to get from peek to RMS as peek mains (Line to Neutral) is 325V
I never said any different? DG didn't mention peak voltages? Yes root two applies when converting peak single phase to neutral voltages to RMS.
With three phase, having waveforms which are 120 degrees out of phase with each other, the line to line volts is greater at 400V RMS, line to neutral is still 230V
Simples!
So with a 3 phase supply you can either operate 230V (Line to neutral) or 400V (Line to Line).
Yep, but I was asking why DG had included root 3 in a 240V calculation. I assumed it was related to 3 phase (since that's where it usually crops up) You either use 240V as is, or 415V and root 3.
The whole point of RMS voltages it so allow you to calculate powers easily (for resistive loads anyway).
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Wow all sounds very complicated, I'll stick with Sainsbury's pumps, just have to choose petrol or diesel...
Yes it's all beyond me and my CSE Grade 2 maths! ;D
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I understand how circuits work, but three phase is limited to generation of in a fundamental sense on aircraft. There was a module in my Part66 course about electrickery generation and distribution, but limited to fundamentals.
Avionics was never on my list of things to be that involved in beyond cable management and module replacement. ::)
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I understand how circuits work, but three phase is limited to generation of in a fundamental sense on aircraft. There was a module in my Part66 course about electrickery generation and distribution, but limited to fundamentals.
Avionics was never on my list of things to be that involved in beyond cable management and module replacement. ::)
So you didn't do Arinc 419/429/664?. Probably no need for Stanag 3910/3838 or Mil-Std-1553/1771 on a people tube :-)
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I understand how circuits work, but three phase is limited to generation of in a fundamental sense on aircraft. There was a module in my Part66 course about electrickery generation and distribution, but limited to fundamentals.
Avionics was never on my list of things to be that involved in beyond cable management and module replacement. ::)
So you didn't do Arinc 419/429/664?. Probably no need for Stanag 3910/3838 or Mil-Std-1553/1771 on a people tube :-)
Stop showing off, Malcolm, it's not big and it's not clever ;D
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Without looking, a racking system...
The Part66 A course is for Mechs, so an idea of what is what is the result they're looking for. Actual wiring doings are the domain of B2s and they're a funny bunch ;D
EWIS, Human Factors and Fuel Tank Safety are prerequisites for working anywhere near a commercial aircraft and any work carried out must follow the relevant AMM and CMMs relating to that task ;) Ergo, this is limited to electrical component removal and replacement, so the knowledge base reflects this. ;)
What they do under the auspices of National Defence is entirely up to them ;D
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I understand how circuits work, but three phase is limited to generation of in a fundamental sense on aircraft. There was a module in my Part66 course about electrickery generation and distribution, but limited to fundamentals.
Avionics was never on my list of things to be that involved in beyond cable management and module replacement. ::)
So you didn't do Arinc 419/429/664?. Probably no need for Stanag 3910/3838 or Mil-Std-1553/1771 on a people tube :-)
Stop showing off, Malcolm, it's not big and it's not clever ;D
Against my better wishes, I've ended up putting my life at the mercy of Bloody Awful later this month. I like to know the quality of training of the people I come into contact with so that I can make informed decisions on how much they can be ignored ;D
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I understand how circuits work, but three phase is limited to generation of in a fundamental sense on aircraft. There was a module in my Part66 course about electrickery generation and distribution, but limited to fundamentals.
Avionics was never on my list of things to be that involved in beyond cable management and module replacement. ::)
So you didn't do Arinc 419/429/664?. Probably no need for Stanag 3910/3838 or Mil-Std-1553/1771 on a people tube :-)
Stop showing off, Malcolm, it's not big and it's not clever ;D
Against my better wishes, I've ended up putting my life at the mercy of Bloody Awful later this month. I like to know the quality of training of the people I come into contact with so that I can make informed decisions on how much they can be ignored ;D
Something must attract you to that particular company, you keep coming back for more.
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I understand how circuits work, but three phase is limited to generation of in a fundamental sense on aircraft. There was a module in my Part66 course about electrickery generation and distribution, but limited to fundamentals.
Avionics was never on my list of things to be that involved in beyond cable management and module replacement. ::)
So you didn't do Arinc 419/429/664?. Probably no need for Stanag 3910/3838 or Mil-Std-1553/1771 on a people tube :-)
Stop showing off, Malcolm, it's not big and it's not clever ;D
Against my better wishes, I've ended up putting my life at the mercy of Bloody Awful later this month. I like to know the quality of training of the people I come into contact with so that I can make informed decisions on how much they can be ignored ;D
Unfortunately I won't be on your flight to mitigate the experience as currently grounded due to a perforated ear drum.
I can make suggestions to make your journey more agreeable if it helps. Obviously, specifics will depend on the ticket type and aircraft type.
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It's my first BA flight for about 10 years. It's short haul from LHR T5, currently scheduled to be an A320, and we're in seats 24A&B EuroTraveller (AKA Scumclass). No point in going further forward or back, since AIUI unlike proper airlines (easyJet,Ryanair,TUi) BA don't sell Bacon Butties on the plane. Probably be full of 'murkins connecting from their overnight flights from the US.
Only positive selling point was that the timings were better than the alternatives, and LHR is slightly closer for us than LGW. Would much rather have gone from Bristol or Bournemouth, but we need to get to our destination by lunchtime and the other airports only have afternoon flights on the days we need.
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Euro traveller is OK. One seat row less than Easyjet, and if NEO aircraft then it's the same seats... Actually pretty comfortable having sat in them to Gran Canaria and back several times without issue.
Only handy tip that I can offer is to have a look at the Highlife Magazine online and if there is something particular that you want to drink or eat, then pre order it at least 72 hours before and it will be on board for you. This particularly applies to any hot food because it won't be on board unless you pre order it. Same for the return flight.
Depends on the route and time of day, but we can quickly sell out of things like prosecco and have nowt left for the return. Preoodering prevents this is preorders are loaded especially. Same for any duty free :y
Also, ask at Check in about upgrading to Club. Sometimes you can get lucky and get it for a fraction of the regular fare. This also applies to longhaul. ;)
If you want to pm me the flight details I can see if I know anyone operating it.
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Pretty certain our feed here is 100A (or at least fused at that). So assuming I don't use anything else (in my dreams), my schoolboy maths suggests 24KW
Or have I made a (schoolboy) error?
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I'll check next time I'm over, but get a feeling Mum's 3 Phase supply is also 100A.
That would explain why the streetlights dim when her (electric) boiler fires up ;D
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I'll check next time I'm over, but get a feeling Mum's 3 Phase supply is also 100A.
That would explain why the streetlights dim when her (electric) boiler fires up ;D
.. but bad things would happen if everyone decided to draw 100A 24/7.
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I'll check next time I'm over, but get a feeling Mum's 3 Phase supply is also 100A.
That would explain why the streetlights dim when her (electric) boiler fires up ;D
.. but bad things would happen if everyone decided to draw 100A 24/7.
No, because its all green electric, so must be reliable, and can't be heating anything up along the way, as that's not green.
And, besides, that hoofing great big solar panel on the Blenheim land that can power all of Oxford, even at night, means that it all all be super.
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I'll check next time I'm over, but get a feeling Mum's 3 Phase supply is also 100A.
That would explain why the streetlights dim when her (electric) boiler fires up ;D
100A service head is standard , but many are down-rated to 60 or 80 amp HRC fuse internally ;)
Also, didn't the DNO (distribution network operator) aka electric board :P insist on hazardous location and explosion proof electrical fittings being used at your location following the "incident " :D
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I'll check next time I'm over, but get a feeling Mum's 3 Phase supply is also 100A.
That would explain why the streetlights dim when her (electric) boiler fires up ;D
100A service head is standard , but many are down-rated to 60 or 80 amp HRC fuse internally ;)
Also, didn't the DNO (distribution network operator) aka electric board :P insist on hazardous location and explosion proof electrical fittings being used at your location following the "incident " :D
Bicester has a new eco town, supposedly set up with public transport and set up for EVs. The buses, well, their frequency and reliability is predictable, but the feeds are all 60A*, so hardly ideal for them charging EVs... ...though as Kevin Wood says, if everyone plugged in, the local substation equipment would let out all of the magic smoke.
*According the the sensationalist media, so obviously no idea if that's the feed or just a small fuse.
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I'll check next time I'm over, but get a feeling Mum's 3 Phase supply is also 100A.
That would explain why the streetlights dim when her (electric) boiler fires up ;D
100A service head is standard , but many are down-rated to 60 or 80 amp HRC fuse internally ;)
Also, didn't the DNO (distribution network operator) aka electric board :P insist on hazardous location and explosion proof electrical fittings being used at your location following the "incident " :D
Bicester has a new eco town, supposedly set up with public transport and set up for EVs. The buses, well, their frequency and reliability is predictable, but the feeds are all 60A*, so hardly ideal for them charging EVs... ...though as Kevin Wood says, if everyone plugged in, the local substation equipment would let out all of the magic smoke.
*According the the sensationalist media, so obviously no idea if that's the feed or just a small fuse.
you may as well just order a nice big diesel generator and fuel bowser then to charge your EVs
order NOW off Ebay and you should have them delivered in time for the 2030 deadline ;D
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I'll check next time I'm over, but get a feeling Mum's 3 Phase supply is also 100A.
That would explain why the streetlights dim when her (electric) boiler fires up ;D
100A service head is standard , but many are down-rated to 60 or 80 amp HRC fuse internally ;)
Also, didn't the DNO (distribution network operator) aka electric board :P insist on hazardous location and explosion proof electrical fittings being used at your location following the "incident " :D
Bicester has a new eco town, supposedly set up with public transport and set up for EVs. The buses, well, their frequency and reliability is predictable, but the feeds are all 60A*, so hardly ideal for them charging EVs... ...though as Kevin Wood says, if everyone plugged in, the local substation equipment would let out all of the magic smoke.
*According the the sensationalist media, so obviously no idea if that's the feed or just a small fuse.
A mate of mine has a 60A incomer and is an ECO type so has an EV, heat pump, solar, giant bomb LiPo battery, the works.
His main fuse keeps going pop. He's requested a bigger one but the DNO are dragging their heels while they decide if he can have one. ;D
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you may as well just order a nice big diesel generator and fuel bowser then to charge your EVs
order NOW off Ebay and you should have them delivered in time for the 2030 deadline ;D
That's not a bad way to launder red diesel for road use. ;)
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Euro traveller is OK. One seat row less than Easyjet, and if NEO aircraft then it's the same seats... Actually pretty comfortable having sat in them to Gran Canaria and back several times without issue.
Only handy tip that I can offer is to have a look at the Highlife Magazine online and if there is something particular that you want to drink or eat, then pre order it at least 72 hours before and it will be on board for you. This particularly applies to any hot food because it won't be on board unless you pre order it. Same for the return flight.
Depends on the route and time of day, but we can quickly sell out of things like prosecco and have nowt left for the return. Preoodering prevents this is preorders are loaded especially. Same for any duty free :y
Also, ask at Check in about upgrading to Club. Sometimes you can get lucky and get it for a fraction of the regular fare. This also applies to longhaul. ;)
If you want to pm me the flight details I can see if I know anyone operating it.
And there, in a word, is the whole problem with British F*k*ing Airways ever since that idiot Willy Walsh took charge. Prosecco FFS. The ONLY things that should be for sale on a BA morning flight are Sausage Sandwiches, Bacon Rolls, and a Full English (which must include Black Pudding). I'll accept (and leave well alone) scrambles eggs in place of a proper fried egg (due to the complications of supplying proper fried eggs on a plane). And proper toast with butter that isn't frozen to -40C so rock hard you can't spread it - none of this hash brown nonsense.
If I wanted Prosecco I'd fly Alitalia, or whatever they're called this week.
BA0578 on 22nd Jan, and BA0597 on 28th Jan. By all means warn the cabin crew there might be a couple of grumpy old buggas to "serve".
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A mate of mine has a 60A incomer and is an ECO type so has an EV, heat pump, solar, giant bomb LiPo battery, the works.
His main fuse keeps going pop. He's requested a bigger one but the DNO are dragging their heels while they decide if he can have one. ;D
clicky linky (https://www.superlecdirect.com/3554-lawson-mf100-100amp-fuse/?hsa_acc=5149061780&hsa_cam=388664136&hsa_grp=1235851354362570&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=o&hsa_tgt=pla-4580840332404754&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&msclkid=b3fbf87306741acb0c269bb2c2ddfb4d&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=CJ%20-%20Bing%20Shopping%20(All%20Products)&utm_term=4580840332404754&utm_content=All%20Products)
he can have as many as he likes :)
obviously he can't remove the DNO seals on the cut out to fit one though :-X
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Euro traveller is OK. One seat row less than Easyjet, and if NEO aircraft then it's the same seats... Actually pretty comfortable having sat in them to Gran Canaria and back several times without issue.
Only handy tip that I can offer is to have a look at the Highlife Magazine online and if there is something particular that you want to drink or eat, then pre order it at least 72 hours before and it will be on board for you. This particularly applies to any hot food because it won't be on board unless you pre order it. Same for the return flight.
Depends on the route and time of day, but we can quickly sell out of things like prosecco and have nowt left for the return. Preoodering prevents this is preorders are loaded especially. Same for any duty free :y
Also, ask at Check in about upgrading to Club. Sometimes you can get lucky and get it for a fraction of the regular fare. This also applies to longhaul. ;)
If you want to pm me the flight details I can see if I know anyone operating it.
And there, in a word, is the whole problem with British F*k*ing Airways ever since that idiot Willy Walsh took charge. Prosecco FFS. The ONLY things that should be for sale on a BA morning flight are Sausage Sandwiches, Bacon Rolls, and a Full English (which must include Black Pudding). I'll accept (and leave well alone) scrambles eggs in place of a proper fried egg (due to the complications of supplying proper fried eggs on a plane). And proper toast with butter that isn't frozen to -40C so rock hard you can't spread it - none of this hash brown nonsense.
If I wanted Prosecco I'd fly Alitalia, or whatever they're called this week.
BA0578 on 22nd Jan, and BA0597 on 28th Jan. By all means warn the cabin crew there might be a couple of grumpy old buggas to "serve".
Ah, Very Nice, as opposed the That's nice, which is in France :D
Club still get proper fizz. So there's that. And you'll get a bottle of water and a cereal bar/packet of crisps more that you would off Easyjet ;D Ask nicely and you'll get two each ;) A word of warning, the buy on board is ordered via the on board WiFi and is card only. I can see one of those being an potential hurdle, which may be avoided by pre ordering from the office ahead of time. 72 hrs should pretty much guarantee it rather than chancing the 24 hour minimum ;)
I must confess,. The last time I flew BA Longhaul as a passenger, even Traveller got bucks fizz pre take off.
Wee Willie Wanka and the complete oppstard that replaced him are both cursed throughout the network. I hope never to encounter either, or they might suffer the same fate as Michael O'Really when our paths crossed. >:D
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A mate of mine has a 60A incomer and is an ECO type so has an EV, heat pump, solar, giant bomb LiPo battery, the works.
His main fuse keeps going pop. He's requested a bigger one but the DNO are dragging their heels while they decide if he can have one. ;D
clicky linky (https://www.superlecdirect.com/3554-lawson-mf100-100amp-fuse/?hsa_acc=5149061780&hsa_cam=388664136&hsa_grp=1235851354362570&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=o&hsa_tgt=pla-4580840332404754&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&msclkid=b3fbf87306741acb0c269bb2c2ddfb4d&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=CJ%20-%20Bing%20Shopping%20(All%20Products)&utm_term=4580840332404754&utm_content=All%20Products)
he can have as many as he likes :)
obviously he can't remove the DNO seals on the cut out to fit one though :-X
Or use a dab of superglue to reinstate the seal enough for it not to be noticed on a casual glance. :-X
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A mate of mine has a 60A incomer and is an ECO type so has an EV, heat pump, solar, giant bomb LiPo battery, the works.
His main fuse keeps going pop. He's requested a bigger one but the DNO are dragging their heels while they decide if he can have one. ;D
clicky linky (https://www.superlecdirect.com/3554-lawson-mf100-100amp-fuse/?hsa_acc=5149061780&hsa_cam=388664136&hsa_grp=1235851354362570&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=o&hsa_tgt=pla-4580840332404754&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&msclkid=b3fbf87306741acb0c269bb2c2ddfb4d&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=CJ%20-%20Bing%20Shopping%20(All%20Products)&utm_term=4580840332404754&utm_content=All%20Products)
he can have as many as he likes :)
obviously he can't remove the DNO seals on the cut out to fit one though :-X
Or use a dab of superglue to reinstate the seal enough for it not to be noticed on a casual glance. :-X
or just buy some new seals :-X
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Here’s some…..🦭🦭🦭🦭🦭
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The main fuse blew at my old place, electrician mate came out and fitted a new one and he had the seal tool (totally illegal!)
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The main fuse blew at my old place, electrician mate came out and fitted a new one and he had the seal tool (totally illegal!)
So you refused to allow him to remove the seal. replace the service head HRC fuse and waited patiently for he DNO lads to turn up :-\
your Gran's life support machine must have good back up batteries :P
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Years back, a set of step of step ladders fell in my garage & fell against the fuse box & managed to snap the main fuse carrier where the wire for the seal went. I'm not sure that the bloke that changed the meter believed me when he saw it some time later.... ::)
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My last house had a wood and bakelite CU and while I was in the process of adding a circuit for a new kitchen the wooden frame fell apart in my hands and left me holding the bakelite remains with it all still live. I decided the best course of action was to pull the main fuse and be damned with the lead seal. Fitted a new CU and never got round to getting the seal replaced. It got done at the next meter change without attracting any comment.
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Yep , gas and electric meters are meant to be replaced every 10 years with a checked/calibrated meters ::)
Technically... IF a meter is found with no seals :o the utility company could sue for meter fraud/tampering .
I have seals and a crimp, so I can re-seal henley blocks ,incoming isolators etc (customer's equipment)
Obviously i would NEVER touch the DNO's equipment >:D
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https://www.ft.com/content/aef7acc5-6c4b-47b3-9ff4-e60d70b615bc
If we aren't allowed to produce batteries, how can we control our infrastructure?
https://www.ft.com/content/aef7acc5-6c4b-47b3-9ff4-e60d70b615bc
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Yes it was just on the news, this country is killing itself
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https://www.ft.com/content/aef7acc5-6c4b-47b3-9ff4-e60d70b615bc
If we aren't allowed to produce batteries, how can we control our infrastructure?
https://www.ft.com/content/aef7acc5-6c4b-47b3-9ff4-e60d70b615bc
It's reckoned the factory will be built, but in the British way. Another company will buy it out of administration, tell everyone that they have a cunning plan then, about two months later force the government into giving them millions of pounds to avoid going into administration again. Another two or three cash injections from the government and about four or five years late, they'll start producing obsolete batteries that are light years behind everyone else's.
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https://www.ft.com/content/aef7acc5-6c4b-47b3-9ff4-e60d70b615bc
If we aren't allowed to produce batteries, how can we control our infrastructure?
https://www.ft.com/content/aef7acc5-6c4b-47b3-9ff4-e60d70b615bc
It's reckoned the factory will be built, but in the British way. Another company will buy it out of administration, tell everyone that they have a cunning plan then, about two months later force the government into giving them millions of pounds to avoid going into administration again. Another two or three cash injections from the government and about four or five years late, they'll start producing obsolete batteries that are light years behind everyone else's.
Pity that DeLorean bloke is six feet under..... ;) ;D ;D
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'British' Volt will be bought out of administration by a foreign hedge fund/pension fund/ consortium etc from a country that HMG wants to curry favour with and we will be told that foreign investment is a wonderful thing. ::)
Managed decline. :-X
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'British' Volt will be bought out of administration by a foreign hedge fund/pension fund/ consortium etc from a country that HMG wants to curry favour with and we will be told that foreign investment is a wonderful thing. ::)
Managed decline. :-X
A nice Chinese company? :)
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Never fancied driving a "milk float" no matter how fast or how much better it is for the environment, the whole thing is a complete & utter pipe dream, anyway I'll be pushing up daisies before anything takes shape.
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has anyone seen the report that one US state is to ban the sale of EV vehicles from 2035?
It is said to be a snipe at California
Or am I behind the loop on this one?
I usually am
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has anyone seen the report that one US state is to ban the sale of EV vehicles from 2035?
It is said to be a snipe at California
Or am I behind the loop on this one?
I usually am
https://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=150034.0
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has anyone seen the report that one US state is to ban the sale of EV vehicles from 2035?
It is said to be a snipe at California
Or am I behind the loop on this one?
I usually am
https://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=150034.0
In other words Keith, yes you are. ;)
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Yep , gas and electric meters are meant to be replaced every 10 years with a checked/calibrated meters ::)
Ahh, so thats why the utility companies are constantly ringing me asking to swap my meter. Silly me, I thought they were trying to get me to have a smart meter :P
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Yep , gas and electric meters are meant to be replaced every 10 years with a checked/calibrated meters ::)
Ahh, so thats why the utility companies are constantly ringing me asking to swap my meter. Silly me, I thought they were trying to get me to have a smart meter :P
My "smart meters" are cleaver enough to display total KWh and cubic feet of gas used
I'm smart enough to calculate...
A: how much gas i've used
B: how much electric i've used
c: that i don't need anything any smarter meter wise :P
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100% with you on that Dai👍
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Our smart meter was here when we moved in 4.5 years ago, gone all trendy with the app on my phone so it's easy to see the usage.
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Our smart meter was here when we moved in 4.5 years ago, gone all trendy with the app on my phone so it's easy to see the usage.
I got one of them trendy "phone" things too :)
I use it for texts , calls and even the occasional photograph 8)
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Our smart meter was here when we moved in 4.5 years ago, gone all trendy with the app on my phone so it's easy to see the usage.
I got one of them trendy "phone" things too :)
I use it for texts , calls and even the occasional photograph 8)
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I only got a phone because my daughter insisted, "I can never get hold of you" she said , I preferred it like that..😂
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Our smart meter was here when we moved in 4.5 years ago, gone all trendy with the app on my phone so it's easy to see the usage.
I got one of them trendy "phone" things too :)
I use it for texts , calls and even the occasional photograph 8)
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I only got a phone because my daughter insisted, "I can never get hold of you" she said , I preferred it like that..😂
:y
I've had a mobile phone since they where mobile enough to fit in me pocket .
i've also noticed people only get in touch when they want something :P
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Our smart meter was here when we moved in 4.5 years ago, gone all trendy with the app on my phone so it's easy to see the usage.
I got one of them trendy "phone" things too :)
I use it for texts , calls and even the occasional photograph 8)
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I only got a phone because my daughter insisted, "I can never get hold of you" she said , I preferred it like that..😂
:y
I've had a mobile phone since they where mobile enough to fit in me pocket .
i've also noticed people only get in touch when they want something :P
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I still forget to take mine with me on a regular basis..
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My mum has one, turns it on to call me, or to leave me a voicemail then turns it off.
She cannot understand why this drives me to the very edge of my sanity...
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My mum has one, turns it on to call me, or to leave me a voicemail then turns it off.
She cannot understand why this drives me to the very edge of my sanity...
she's saving electric ,saving the planet :D
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My mum has one, turns it on to call me, or to leave me a voicemail then turns it off.
She cannot understand why this drives me to the very edge of my sanity...
there's an even better reaction when you use that line on the boss:
Him - why do you have a mobile phone when you don't answer it?
Me - do you mean last Friday? The last day of my holiday? When I was driving back from Plymouth?(this was 22 years ago, so hands free in my 19 year old Capri wasn't really feasible) I'll deal with the problem now.
Him - but we did that on Friday!
Me - so you didn't need to speak to me at all. Like most of the phone conversations that happen here. I pay for it, for my convenience.
Him - stomped off muttering, and avoided me for nearly a week
One of the benefits of modern phones showing who is calling is being able to filter the conversations you don't need or want to have. Although that usually leads to a load of texts you also have to ignore.
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why is it nobody rings until you are driving?
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why is it nobody rings until you are driving?
My car doesn't have Bluetooth connectivity, so I have to use my 'Captain James T Kirk' Apple Watch and talk to my wrist. ;D
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why is it nobody rings until you are driving?
My car doesn't have Bluetooth connectivity, so I have to use my 'Captain James T Kirk' Apple Watch and talk to my wrist. ;D
At least you are talking to something. My hearing aids are Bluetooth so I answer my phone by tapping my ear twice, and my phone can stay in my pocket during the whole conversation. I’ve hung up on numerous calls just by scratching my ear. ::) ;D
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;D ;D