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[Mr Skrunts]

Just been watching Heartbeat episode and one cars in it caught my eye.  Didnt know what car it was so nipped on ECP and put the reg in but no joy.  So nipped on the gov MOT check site and it came back as a MG

MG MIDGET
Check another vehicle

Colour
Red
Fuel type
Petrol
Date registered
21 September 1953
MOT expired on
12 June 2013

History shows from 2006/13

But the bit that interests me is the car has done 56 miles, I for one dont believe this is the cars actual total mileage.

So with it being a classic car and possibly had a retore/rebuild would this mean the car can have the mileage changed on the MOT?

[dave the builder]

The Mileage entered on the VTS device (MOT system ) is whatever is showing on the odometer at the time of test .
it's NOT a testable item  , so the odometer part of the speedo could be brand new, 100,056 miles, broken etc or it could be a wrapped in cotton wool, never goes anywhere ,just for TV and to look at car  .
what mileage did previous MOTs show 

[dave the builder]

Also, registrations can be swapped from one car to another ,which can confuse things and for TV purposes (private set) they can put on a completely unrelated registration plate (and often do)

[Rangie]

Funny enough I was watching Anglia car Auctions on line yesterday and was checking some of the vehicles history (MOT) there was a particularly nice SL 63 AMG which went for just under £10,000 less than 60,000 miles.

[Mr Skrunts]

One of my relatives step son has an immaculate award winning Mk1 rally escort seems that only has done 100 miles.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Odometers used to go back to zero once they passed 99999 miles.

[Andy B]

Odometers used to go back to zero once they passed 99999 miles.

but that was back when a car was lucky to go around the clock before the tin worm ate it 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Almost any car approaching 100k miles on the clock was almost worthless, as they werent expected to last very long even if the rust didnt get them.

[Rangie]

There was an article in the paper a couple of months ago saying that the average life of a " modern" vehicle is 14 years now.

[johnnydog]

Us Omega owners must be on borrowed time now then....

[STEMO]

Us Omega owners must be on borrowed time now then....

He said modern vehicles 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

There was an article in the paper a couple of months ago saying that the average life of a " modern" vehicle is 14 years now.

An Austin 1100 purchased in 1965 would have it's front wings held together by Isopon,  wire mesh, and a copy of The Daily Mirror by 1968.

My 1976 Triumph 2500S was effectively a terminally rusty shell by 1983.

[STEMO]

There was an article in the paper a couple of months ago saying that the average life of a " modern" vehicle is 14 years now.

An Austin 1100 purchased in 1965 would have it's front wings held together by Isopon,  wire mesh, and a copy of The Daily Mirror by 1968.

My 1976 Triumph 2500S was effectively a terminally rusty shell by 1983.

You could buy fibreglass wings for the 1100, easier than trying to keep them together.

[Rangie]

My first car a 1960 something Austin a40 was that rusty the floor was a welded in Hillman Imp bonnet.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Just been watching Heartbeat episode and one cars in it caught my eye.  Didnt know what car it was so nipped on ECP and put the reg in but no joy.  So nipped on the gov MOT check site and it came back as a MG

MG MIDGET
Check another vehicle

Colour
Red
Fuel type
Petrol
Date registered
21 September 1953
MOT expired on
12 June 2013

History shows from 2006/13

But the bit that interests me is the car has done 56 miles, I for one dont believe this is the cars actual total mileage.

So with it being a classic car and possibly had a retore/rebuild would this mean the car can have the mileage changed on the MOT?

Not sure the word 'midget' would be used for a new car in 2021.....

[johnnydog]

There was an article in the paper a couple of months ago saying that the average life of a " modern" vehicle is 14 years now.

An Austin 1100 purchased in 1965 would have it's front wings held together by Isopon,  wire mesh, and a copy of The Daily Mirror by 1968.

My 1976 Triumph 2500S was effectively a terminally rusty shell by 1983.

Ì still have a 1976 Triumph 2500S saloon in Carmine Red with no rot whatsoever. I've owned it since 1998. It does have a very sheltered life though having only done less than 60k....

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

There was an article in the paper a couple of months ago saying that the average life of a " modern" vehicle is 14 years now.

An Austin 1100 purchased in 1965 would have it's front wings held together by Isopon,  wire mesh, and a copy of The Daily Mirror by 1968.

My 1976 Triumph 2500S was effectively a terminally rusty shell by 1983.

Ì still have a 1976 Triumph 2500S saloon in Carmine Red with no rot whatsoever. I've owned it since 1998. It does have a very sheltered life though having only done less than 60k....

My car looked stunning in Mimosa yellow just so long as you didn't poke it with anything sharp.

Perhaps your car took a trip to see  to Mr Ziebart

[Rangie]

Ziebart blimey forgotten that name , my MK1 Escort Mexico had that treatment in 1973.

[Rangie]

Just been watching Heartbeat episode and one cars in it caught my eye.  Didnt know what car it was so nipped on ECP and put the reg in but no joy.  So nipped on the gov MOT check site and it came back as a MG

MG MIDGET
Check another vehicle

Colour
Red
Fuel type
Petrol
Date registered
21 September 1953
MOT expired on
12 June 2013

History shows from 2006/13

But the bit that interests me is the car has done 56 miles, I for one dont believe this is the cars actual total mileage.

So with it being a classic car and possibly had a retore/rebuild would this mean the car can have the mileage changed on the MOT?

Not sure the word 'midget' would be used for a new car in 2021.....

. 


It could offend any shortarses out there..😀

[Mr Skrunts]

We had a Triumph 2000 O/D, moved on to an 1850 Dolomite Sprint but the car I wish I could have owned would be a Triumph Stag T Top

Never had chance to drive any of the 2 we had as I was too young, But I got the chance to learn in a BMW 2500 hence why I love larger cars.

[cam.in.head]

There was an article in the paper a couple of months ago saying that the average life of a " modern" vehicle is 14 years now.

looking back on all the cars we had in the family growing up. every one of them gone now (or at least untaxed/ un moted etc) so most likely gone.and they were all aged between 12 and 15 years ( least was our hunter which only managed 9 years and a 84 cav that only did 10)so modern cars like the omega should theoretically survive longer but i would imagine its the electrics and diagnostic stuff that fails nowadays rather than rust. most cars i remember in the 60' and 70's growing up had underseal all around the lower 6" or so ,increasing by a half inch every time you tidied it up or bought one from a used car forecourt.

[cam.in.head]

Ì still have a 1976 Triumph 2500S saloon in Carmine Red with no rot whatsoever. I've owned it since 1998. It does have a very sheltered life though having only done less than 60k....
[/quote]

sounds very nice.
i still have a few cars that i bought in the late 80's .viva and 2 cavs and they are used on rotation as dailys all year round . no issues with major corrosion as theyre checked over and repaired as/ if req every springtime .
probably used more than the omega realy as ive done less than 5000 in it since i bought it in 2015 thou it does get used every week.

[Nick W]

There was an article in the paper a couple of months ago saying that the average life of a " modern" vehicle is 14 years now.

There was only a short window when it was longer.
It is extraordinarily wasteful, especially when you consider just how much stuff is in modern cars. And that stuff failing is a large factor in their short lifespan.

[dave the builder]

We had a Triumph 2000 O/D, moved on to an 1850 Dolomite Sprint but the car I wish I could have owned would be a Triumph Stag T Top

Dolly sprint was a 2 liter 16 valve 
was it a sprint look a like perhaps 
I had one as one of my first cars, insurance was  painful 
it rusted just about everywhere ,priced up replacement panels and welding but found a nice early Mk2 Cavalier instead,
so scrapped the Dolly and been playing with Vauxhall rust instead ever since 
though I've had a scattering of non Vauxhalls too 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

We had a Triumph 2000 O/D, moved on to an 1850 Dolomite Sprint but the car I wish I could have owned would be a Triumph Stag T Top

Dolly sprint was a 2 liter 16 valve 
was it a sprint look a like perhaps 
I had one as one of my first cars, insurance was  painful 
it rusted just about everywhere ,priced up replacement panels and welding but found a nice early Mk2 Cavalier instead,
so scrapped the Dolly and been playing with Vauxhall rust instead ever since 
though I've had a scattering of non Vauxhalls too 

Yep...and quoted at 127 BHP if memory serves.
I think the 1850 Dolomite lump was designed by Saab.......but I could be wrong.

[henryd]

Odometers used to go back to zero once they passed 99999 miles.

but that was back when a car was lucky to go around the clock before the tin worm ate it 

A lot of the old stuff would have needed two decokes to get to 100k

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Odometers used to go back to zero once they passed 99999 miles.

but that was back when a car was lucky to go around the clock before the tin worm ate it 

A lot of the old stuff would have needed two decokes to get to 100k

Tis true.

The old for sale adverts would read something like......excellent runner 45000 miles new engine recently fitted.

or......50,000 miles. Engine just been had a rebore so no oil smoke.

[redelitev6]

Just been watching Heartbeat episode and one cars in it caught my eye.  Didnt know what car it was so nipped on ECP and put the reg in but no joy.  So nipped on the gov MOT check site and it came back as a MG

MG MIDGET
Check another vehicle

Colour
Red
Fuel type
Petrol
Date registered
21 September 1953
MOT expired on
12 June 2013

History shows from 2006/13

But the bit that interests me is the car has done 56 miles, I for one dont believe this is the cars actual total mileage.

So with it being a classic car and possibly had a retore/rebuild would this mean the car can have the mileage changed on the MOT?

Not sure the word 'midget' would be used for a new car in 2021.....

MG person of reduced stature ?

[Nick W]

We had a Triumph 2000 O/D, moved on to an 1850 Dolomite Sprint but the car I wish I could have owned would be a Triumph Stag T Top

Dolly sprint was a 2 liter 16 valve 
was it a sprint look a like perhaps 
I had one as one of my first cars, insurance was  painful 
it rusted just about everywhere ,priced up replacement panels and welding but found a nice early Mk2 Cavalier instead,
so scrapped the Dolly and been playing with Vauxhall rust instead ever since 
though I've had a scattering of non Vauxhalls too 

Yep...and quoted at 127 BHP if memory serves.
I think the 1850 Dolomite lump was designed by Saab.......but I could be wrong.

The slant four was the basis for Saab's engines. They engineered out some of the more risible design features, and built the thing to a decent standard so that the others caused fewer problems. In reality, it's a laughable design that should have been pissed down the same plughole as the liquid lunch that spawned it.


They quoted 127bhp. In the same way that Ford quoted 135 for a 3.0l Essex, and 160 for a 2.8i. They're all pure fantasy.


As bad as the engine was, it did match the car it used in; the Dolomite is small, cramped, slow, overly complex for absolutely no gain. Being the same basic bodyshell as other cheaper small Triumphs did it little favours in the market, although it is pretty. It was well down to BL's quality standards too.

[dave the builder]

I thought the sprint was quite nippy and very comfortable
though I was a spotty youth who drove like a mental case back then 

[Andy B]

....
, although it is pretty. ....

Especially attractive when in Tobacco Leaf brown 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

We had a Triumph 2000 O/D, moved on to an 1850 Dolomite Sprint but the car I wish I could have owned would be a Triumph Stag T Top

Dolly sprint was a 2 liter 16 valve 
was it a sprint look a like perhaps 
I had one as one of my first cars, insurance was  painful 
it rusted just about everywhere ,priced up replacement panels and welding but found a nice early Mk2 Cavalier instead,
so scrapped the Dolly and been playing with Vauxhall rust instead ever since 
though I've had a scattering of non Vauxhalls too 

Yep...and quoted at 127 BHP if memory serves.
I think the 1850 Dolomite lump was designed by Saab.......but I could be wrong.

The slant four was the basis for Saab's engines. They engineered out some of the more risible design features, and built the thing to a decent standard so that the others caused fewer problems. In reality, it's a laughable design that should have been pissed down the same plughole as the liquid lunch that spawned it.


They quoted 127bhp. In the same way that Ford quoted 135 for a 3.0l Essex, and 160 for a 2.8i. They're all pure fantasy.


As bad as the engine was, it did match the car it used in; the Dolomite is small, cramped, slow, overly complex for absolutely no gain. Being the same basic bodyshell as other cheaper small Triumphs did it little favours in the market, although it is pretty. It was well down to BL's quality standards too.

I remember they used a measurement called SAE which was changed to DIN in the early seventies for BHP figures.

The DIN figure was lower......and supposedly more accurate. No idea what the letters stand for.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

....
, although it is pretty. ....

Especially attractive when in Tobacco Leaf brown 

....BL decided on a 'brown' that closely matched the colour of a human bodily function.

[Kevin Wood]

The DIN figure was lower......and supposedly more accurate. No idea what the letters stand for.

Deutsche Industrienorm

[Nick W]

I remember they used a measurement called SAE which was changed to DIN in the early seventies for BHP figures.

The DIN figure was lower......and supposedly more accurate. No idea what the letters stand for.

SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers and is American. They tested engines without any accessories, so the figures ought to be higher.


DIN - Deutsches Institut fur Norming and is German adopted by Europe. It's the  equivalent of British Standards, whose requirements were used for other tests. DIN tests were as installed in the car, and so should be smaller numbers than SAE. The actual measured/calculated amount should be interchangeable.


It doesn't change the fact that 160bhp from a 2.8i(which is DIN figure) requires a much higher state of tune than Ford ever sold, or that a '127bhp' Sprint was disappointingly slow for its claimed power. They were supposed to be badged as Dolomite 135, but even Triumph knew they couldn't get away with that. The Sprint head picks up the crap engineering of the slant four and adds even more stupid ideas.


This all without going into  the utterly ridiculous BHP unit itself.

[Nick W]

....
, although it is pretty. ....

Especially attractive when in Tobacco Leaf brown 

....BL decided on a 'brown' that closely matched the colour of a human bodily function.

Brown was hardly an unusual colour for cars in the seventies; even those known to be 'stylish' like France and Italy used it.


And there was always scope for making BL's Russet worse; several years ago a friend bought a Dolomite in that colour that some blind joker had painted the trim(grille, pinstripes, etc and the wheels) gold. We bought a couple of aerosols of satin black on the way home, and transformed the look of the car in about 30minutes. That car was a healthy 1850, but would struggle to keep up with a 1600 Ghia mk2 Escort. Dolomite brakes were barely adequate for a 1500; they were truly awful on the bigger engined cars.

[Sir Tigger KC]

....
, although it is pretty. ....

Especially attractive when in Tobacco Leaf brown 

....BL decided on a 'brown' that closely matched the colour of a human bodily function.

I think that BL had a range of 'human bodily function' browns depending on the health of the human functioning. 

My Morris Marina 1800TC Coupe was mustard.... 

[countrywoman]

And slower than a decent 1275 !!!

[Nick W]

And slower than a decent 1275 !!!

1275 Marinas were best considered engine donors for Minors or Spridgets....

[Mr Skrunts]

We had a Triumph 2000 O/D, moved on to an 1850 Dolomite Sprint but the car I wish I could have owned would be a Triumph Stag T Top

Dolly sprint was a 2 liter 16 valve 
was it a sprint look a like perhaps 
I had one as one of my first cars, insurance was  painful 
it rusted just about everywhere ,priced up replacement panels and welding but found a nice early Mk2 Cavalier instead,
so scrapped the Dolly and been playing with Vauxhall rust instead ever since 
though I've had a scattering of non Vauxhalls too 

Might have just been a Dolomite then, . . . it was 45 years ago

[Carfix]

My driving instructor had a yellow Dolomite Sprint (with a brown interior) way back in 1976. It was great to drive.

[dave the builder]

I think all sprints where yellow , though the one I had had been badly repainted orange with a massive laurel reef emblem on the bonnet and alloy wheels ,the only part of the car that didn't rust and fall apart 

[Nick W]

I think all sprints were yellow , though the one I had had been badly repainted orange with a massive laurel reef emblem on the bonnet and alloy wheels ,the only part of the car that didn't rust and fall apart 

Not true.

[dave the builder]

I think all sprints were yellow , though the one I had had been badly repainted orange with a massive laurel reef emblem on the bonnet and alloy wheels ,the only part of the car that didn't rust and fall apart 

Not true.

OK

well mine was orange but the door shuts etc where yellow 
the MK 2 Cavalier I brought as a replacement was Jamaica yellow
not had a yellow car since though ,

[johnnydog]

They were available in 9 colours when new.
There is a totally mint Triumph White Dolomite Sprint that attends a local car show to me, which looks absolutely stunning. One of the best colours for the more desirable  Triumph models in my opinion, with the contrast of white and black throughout, although I know it's personal preference.....

[johnnydog]

....
, although it is pretty. ....

Especially attractive when in Tobacco Leaf brown 

....BL decided on a 'brown' that closely matched the colour of a human bodily function.

Brown was hardly an unusual colour for cars in the seventies; even those known to be 'stylish' like France and Italy used it.


And there was always scope for making BL's Russet worse; several years ago a friend bought a Dolomite in that colour that some blind joker had painted the trim(grille, pinstripes, etc and the wheels) gold. We bought a couple of aerosols of satin black on the way home, and transformed the look of the car in about 30minutes. That car was a healthy 1850, but would struggle to keep up with a 1600 Ghia mk2 Escort. Dolomite brakes were barely adequate for a 1500; they were truly awful on the bigger engined cars.

The Triumph 2000 range over the years of production had three shades of brown - Maple and Russet in later cars, with the very 'period' Sienna Brown in earlier models.
I have a Mk2 2.5PI in Sienna - affectionately known as 'Dog Sh*t Brown'...... not the best colour, but I don't mind it (honest!)  , although whatever possessed owners to buy a Triumph Stag in that colour I couldn't quite fathom....

[Mr Skrunts]

The Triumph Stag I fell in love with belonged to my foreman when I 1st started work was Purple and he kept it emaculate.

[Nick W]

The Triumph 2000 range over the years of production had three shades of brown - Maple and Russet in later cars, with the very 'period' Sienna Brown in earlier models.
I have a Mk2 2.5PI in Sienna - affectionately known as 'Dog Sh*t Brown'...... not the best colour, but I don't mind it (honest!)  , although whatever possessed owners to buy a Triumph Stag in that colour I couldn't quite fathom....

It's no worse than the various sludge brown metallics that were available a few years ago, and you still see.

[Andy B]

....
It's no worse than the various sludge brown metallics that were available a few years ago, and you still see.

there are some horrible colours knocking about at the moment. You see some Fiat 500's in Baby Poo Brown ..... why you'd choose that colour is beyond me. And there's a Land/Range Rover  I see in my street that's basically shiny, solid grey undercoat. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

....
It's no worse than the various sludge brown metallics that were available a few years ago, and you still see.

there are some horrible colours knocking about at the moment. You see some Fiat 500's in Baby Poo Brown ..... why you'd choose that colour is beyond me. And there's a Land/Range Rover  I see in my street that's basically shiny, solid grey undercoat. 

I believe there is an Audi colour pretentiously known as Nardo grey.......I call it grey primer.

[johnnydog]

I know one of the more productive salesmen at my local Audi dealership who drove an RS6 Performance in Nardo Grey. He wasnt overly impressed when I casually asked when it was going back for its colour coat

[Doctor Gollum]

....
It's no worse than the various sludge brown metallics that were available a few years ago, and you still see.

there are some horrible colours knocking about at the moment. You see some Fiat 500's in Baby Poo Brown ..... why you'd choose that colour is beyond me. And there's a Land/Range Rover  I see in my street that's basically shiny, solid grey undercoat. 

Doubtless named after some trendy coffee type beverage 

[Nick W]

I know one of the more productive salesmen at my local Audi dealership who drove an RS6 Performance in Nardo Grey. He wasnt overly impressed when I casually asked when it was going back for its colour coat

While I was polishing the car yesterday, one of the mechanics from the garage down the road parked the Focus RS he'd just finished working on. It's painted a solid dark grey, with shiny black wheels and opaque privacy glass - legal, so the front drop glass is just tinted to look really stupid. It looks hideous. You wouldn't pick such a combination from a colour chart printed in black and white, down a coal mine, during a power cut.

[Nick W]

....
It's no worse than the various sludge brown metallics that were available a few years ago, and you still see.

there are some horrible colours knocking about at the moment. You see some Fiat 500's in Baby Poo Brown ..... why you'd choose that colour is beyond me. And there's a Land/Range Rover  I see in my street that's basically shiny, solid grey undercoat. 

Doubtless named after some trendy coffee type beverage 

Yes, I wonder how long it will be before funeral directors order their new limousines painted "americano"


That said, Mum's Solara was painted Cafe Noir and Gilt Metallic. As always, it would have looked better if the dark colour had been on the bottom.

[Rangie]

My dad had a MK2 Zodiac in the sixties two tone ,top black lower half mauve sounds awful but looked really good back then.

[Mr Skrunts]

My dad had a MK2 Zodiac in the sixties two tone ,top black lower half mauve sounds awful but looked really good back then.

Vinyl roof by any chance, remember them being common on a lot of cars.

[Nick W]

My dad had a MK2 Zodiac in the sixties two tone ,top black lower half mauve sounds awful but looked really good back then.

Vinyl roof by any chance, remember them being common on a lot of cars.

Zodiacs(lots of cars) were usually split at the belt-line, about level with the door handles. And for some peculiar reason the dark colour was usually on the top, which makes the car look taller.

[Rangie]

My dad had a MK2 Zodiac in the sixties two tone ,top black lower half mauve sounds awful but looked really good back then.

Vinyl roof by any chance, remember them being common on a lot of cars.

Zodiacs(lots of cars) were usually split at the belt-line, about level with the door handles. And for some peculiar reason the dark colour was usually on the top, which makes the car look taller.

. 

No vinyl roof , but a chap opposite had a pinkish colour Zephyr convertible grey hood.

[ronnyd]

I know one of the more productive salesmen at my local Audi dealership who drove an RS6 Performance in Nardo Grey. He wasnt overly impressed when I casually asked when it was going back for its colour coat

While I was polishing the car yesterday, one of the mechanics from the garage down the road parked the Focus RS he'd just finished working on. It's painted a solid dark grey, with shiny black wheels and opaque privacy glass - legal, so the front drop glass is just tinted to look really stupid. It looks hideous. You wouldn't pick such a combination from a colour chart printed in black and white, down a coal mine, during a power cut.

Someone obviously did Nick.  Perhaps their guide dog chose it. 

[Broomies Mate]

While I was polishing the car yesterday, one of the mechanics from the garage down the road parked the Focus RS he'd just finished working on. It's painted a solid dark grey, with shiny black wheels and opaque privacy glass - legal, so the front drop glass is just tinted to look really stupid. It looks hideous. You wouldn't pick such a combination from a colour chart printed in black and white, down a coal mine, during a power cut.

Not even a cost option!!!!!  That's right, you can have wanky grey FOR FREE! 

[STEMO]

I know one of the more productive salesmen at my local Audi dealership who drove an RS6 Performance in Nardo Grey. He wasnt overly impressed when I casually asked when it was going back for its colour coat

While I was polishing the car yesterday, one of the mechanics from the garage down the road parked the Focus RS he'd just finished working on. It's painted a solid dark grey, with shiny black wheels and opaque privacy glass - legal, so the front drop glass is just tinted to look really stupid. It looks hideous. You wouldn't pick such a combination from a colour chart printed in black and white, down a coal mine, during a power cut.

Someone obviously did Nick.  Perhaps their guide dog chose it. 

Or, heaven forbid, some people might have their own opinions of what constitutes a good looking car.

[STEMO]

While I was polishing the car yesterday, one of the mechanics from the garage down the road parked the Focus RS he'd just finished working on. It's painted a solid dark grey, with shiny black wheels and opaque privacy glass - legal, so the front drop glass is just tinted to look really stupid. It looks hideous. You wouldn't pick such a combination from a colour chart printed in black and white, down a coal mine, during a power cut.

Not even a cost option!!!!!  That's right, you can have wanky grey FOR FREE! 

Obviously catering for the people who might actually go out and spend their money on such a car, instead of those who prefer to hang on to their cars for 20 years or so 

[Doctor Gollum]

My last Mk2 Granada was Nimbus Grey over Strato Silver.

Clean and shiny it almost looked like the lower panels were chrome. If you squinted. And ignore the one gold and one dark green front wings

[Nick W]

While I was polishing the car yesterday, one of the mechanics from the garage down the road parked the Focus RS he'd just finished working on. It's painted a solid dark grey, with shiny black wheels and opaque privacy glass - legal, so the front drop glass is just tinted to look really stupid. It looks hideous. You wouldn't pick such a combination from a colour chart printed in black and white, down a coal mine, during a power cut.

Not even a cost option!!!!!  That's right, you can have wanky grey FOR FREE! 

Oh I know it was standard.


It was darker than that. And an estate, for extra drab.


Plus like many modern high output engines it makes a horrible noise, and lots of it.

[Kevin Wood]

Plus like many modern high output engines it makes a horrible noise, and lots of it.

All part of the ego-massaging crutch required by those who buy them.

Like the tawt with the gay BMW 1 series up the road from me. My kit car used to pop and bang on the overrun like that, oh, about 10 minutes into mapping the fuel injection. It was soon fixed, but now they have to add that at the factory, it seems.