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Title: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 November 2023, 14:00:36
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12790145/350-000-Rolls-Royce-GONE-30-seconds-Moment-key-car-thieves-steal-luxury-SUV-owners-driveway.html
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: ronnyd on 26 November 2023, 14:10:49
Perhaps it was an irate neighbour, as it looks as though it was parked on the access path.  ;D
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 November 2023, 14:21:55
In Autocar this week they ran an article that stated 93% of all cars stolen in 2022 were nicked without the need for the key.

I suppose the good news is they don't need to break into your house to get it. :-X :-\
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 November 2023, 14:24:18
I use a Faraday cage for the Mexican but apparently scumbags can now directly access the Canbus and control all sorts of things.
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 November 2023, 14:55:46
Swmbo was speaking to someone yesterday who had their almost new Merc stolen recently. As an aside they live near a pikey site.
They broke into the house to get the keys, which were in the womans handbag right beside her bed.
She said that they are both very light sleepers and couldnt believe they didnt wake up when they were in the bedroom.
Plod came and told them two things. First - no point us looking for the car, it will be long gone by now.
Second. The likely reason you didnt wake up is that they often wear gas masks and spray gas in the room which makes sure you stay in a deep sleep for quite a while.
What a wonderful world we now live in.  ::)
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Rangie on 26 November 2023, 15:21:16
The criminal fraternity are not bothered about our law enforcement at all , our system is so far behind that they cannot be bothered adding more crimes to the list & the bastards know it. Get yourself murdered & it might grab attention for a short while, the system is well & truly fu**ed.
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 November 2023, 17:20:43
In Autocar this week they ran an article that stated 93% of all cars stolen in 2022 were nicked without the need for the key.

I suppose the good news is they don't need to break into your house to get it. :-X :-\

I saw a YouTube vid last night which said that 90 Range Rovers a week are getting nicked in London!  :o

Insurers are now refusing to insure them unless they are garaged and the value of second hand Range Rovers has slumped.
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Raeturbo on 26 November 2023, 17:31:36
The criminal fraternity are not bothered about our law enforcement at all , our system is so far behind that they cannot be bothered adding more crimes to the list & the bastards know it. Get yourself murdered & it might grab attention for a short while, the system is well & truly fu**ed.
               Criminals are feeling invincible now.. very good pay with little chance of punishment 🤬
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: TheBoy on 26 November 2023, 18:43:20
and the value of second hand Range Rovers has slumped.
Oooo, and I've always fancied one ;D
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Raeturbo on 26 November 2023, 18:57:31
Mick has put his by, somewhere…..🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 November 2023, 19:42:56
and the value of second hand Range Rovers has slumped.
Oooo, and I've always fancied one ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m0Y84qgzyc

Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Rangie on 26 November 2023, 20:22:31
Mick has put his by, somewhere…..🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
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Only paid £7,000 for mine over 4 years ago so really owes me nothing now..👍
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Raeturbo on 26 November 2023, 22:16:05
That’s that sorted then👍👍
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: TheBoy on 27 November 2023, 09:31:03
Mick has put his by, somewhere…..🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
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Only paid £7,000 for mine over 4 years ago so really owes me nothing now..👍
So you won't mind if I nick it ;D

(S'OK, you're safe, it was a full fat one I have an itch for)
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Rangie on 27 November 2023, 09:44:16
Mick has put his by, somewhere…..🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
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Only paid £7,000 for mine over 4 years ago so really owes me nothing now..👍
So you won't mind if I nick it ;D

(S'OK, you're safe, it was a full fat one I have an itch for)
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I didn't mind what it was as long as it was a TDV8, now I actually prefer the lines of the Sport, my mate has the full fat which looks slightly cumbersome alongside mine.
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: TheBoy on 27 November 2023, 10:44:34
I didn't mind what it was as long as it was a TDV8, now I actually prefer the lines of the Sport, my mate has the full fat which looks slightly cumbersome alongside mine.
I think I'd be better with the slightly smaller RRS, as it might fit on drive a little better.  But you know when you have an itch for something, nothing else will do!
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Rangie on 27 November 2023, 10:52:21
I didn't mind what it was as long as it was a TDV8, now I actually prefer the lines of the Sport, my mate has the full fat which looks slightly cumbersome alongside mine.
I think I'd be better with the slightly smaller RRS, as it might fit on drive a little better.  But you know when you have an itch for something, nothing else will do!



I know exactly what you mean, I always said I wanted  V8 Merc a V8 Range Rover & a Bentley Turbo 2 out of 3 ain't bad , SWMBO just will not come round to the Idea of a Bentley 😢
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: TheBoy on 27 November 2023, 11:19:49
I didn't mind what it was as long as it was a TDV8, now I actually prefer the lines of the Sport, my mate has the full fat which looks slightly cumbersome alongside mine.
I think I'd be better with the slightly smaller RRS, as it might fit on drive a little better.  But you know when you have an itch for something, nothing else will do!

I know exactly what you mean, I always said I wanted  V8 Merc a V8 Range Rover & a Bentley Turbo 2 out of 3 ain't bad , SWMBO just will not come round to the Idea of a Bentley 😢
I borrowed one of Joshwyatts Bentleys, but it was unsuitable for me, really it was a 2 seater, despite being an enormous car.  Was proper effortless quick though - I thought it was a gutless piece of shite coming off a roundabout until I looked at the speedo and noted I was likely to be one of your guests if caught ;D
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Rangie on 27 November 2023, 12:14:35
I didn't mind what it was as long as it was a TDV8, now I actually prefer the lines of the Sport, my mate has the full fat which looks slightly cumbersome alongside mine.
I think I'd be better with the slightly smaller RRS, as it might fit on drive a little better.  But you know when you have an itch for something, nothing else will do!

I know exactly what you mean, I always said I wanted  V8 Merc a V8 Range Rover & a Bentley Turbo 2 out of 3 ain't bad , SWMBO just will not come round to the Idea of a Bentley 😢
I borrowed one of Joshwyatts Bentleys, but it was unsuitable for me, really it was a 2 seater, despite being an enormous car.  Was proper effortless quick though - I thought it was a gutless piece of shite coming off a roundabout until I looked at the speedo and noted I was likely to be one of your guests if caught ;D
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I know the Landlord of my local had one up till a couple of years ago we went to a boxing exhibition in Peterborough in it, just a beautiful vehicle to travel in absolutely effortless, sold it a couple of years ago & bought the 5.0 Bullit Mustang nice , but not a patch on the Bentley.
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 27 November 2023, 12:23:14
It's probably just me, but a £350k Rolls on a drive of a humble type house, on obviously a very bog standard housing estate strikes me as a bit unusual.
In addition it has been known about for the last few years that criminals use devices outside of the property to activate the car's keys.
So why has this owner of such an expensive vehicle not taken better security precautions when being parked in a very typical housing estate, where usually the very rich do not normally live?

So he/she thought a Ring doorbell would be adequate security for such a vehicle parked in that way? ::)

Sorry, but something is wrong here.  My suspicious brain is working overtime on this one ;D ;D

I am sure the police and insurance company would be investigating this case very closely.
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 27 November 2023, 12:44:14
I was behind a Bentley Continental in my 24v Senator on a slip road onto the A12, years ago.
We both floored it about the same time, and although the Senator was not a slow car, the Bentley disappeared towards the horizon in no time.
I was most impressed by the lack of fuss or drama about it. It was just gone.  8)
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: TheBoy on 27 November 2023, 13:59:13
It's probably just me, but a £350k Rolls on a drive of a humble type house, on obviously a very bog standard housing estate strikes me as a bit unusual.
In addition it has been known about for the last few years that criminals use devices outside of the property to activate the car's keys.
So why has this owner of such an expensive vehicle not taken better security precautions when being parked in a very typical housing estate, where usually the very rich do not normally live?

So he/she thought a Ring doorbell would be adequate security for such a vehicle parked in that way? ::)

Sorry, but something is wrong here.  My suspicious brain is working overtime on this one ;D ;D

I am sure the police and insurance company would be investigating this case very closely.
Last bloke I knew that owned a Roller used to keep it unlocked all the time (in the hope of no damage should the little shits want to rifle through the glovebox and door pockets).  Yet scrotes still smashed the windows to get in ;D
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: YZ250 on 27 November 2023, 14:49:22
Why don't people simply deactivate keyless entry. It can be done on some vehicles on the key fob alone, others by using the infotainment system and other vehicles can have it coded out.
Anyone old enough to remember the old Clifford system of fitting an inline switch or additional key switch on the ignition circuit will be familiar with how a Ghost system works. Obviously with Ghost you have a choice of what to press to authorise ignition.
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: johnnydog on 27 November 2023, 17:17:30
If you have a tasty vehicle, and the scrotes really want it, the alternative to them accessing your vehicle on the drive using their scanning equipment is them breaking in your house for the keys. If they then can't find them and they really do want it, do you really want them coming upstairs in the dead of night threatening you with violence for the keys?
In some respects, them accessing the car without threatening you or the family is a safer, although extremely worrying, alternative?
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 27 November 2023, 17:44:49
and the value of second hand Range Rovers has slumped.
Oooo, and I've always fancied one ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m0Y84qgzyc

Something similar with the original Sierra Cosworth getting stolen in the eighties.

Easy to nick and expensive to insure.
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: omega2018 on 29 November 2023, 18:00:17
Why don't people simply deactivate keyless entry. It can be done on some vehicles on the key fob alone, others by using the infotainment system and other vehicles can have it coded out.
Anyone old enough to remember the old Clifford system of fitting an inline switch or additional key switch on the ignition circuit will be familiar with how a Ghost system works. Obviously with Ghost you have a choice of what to press to authorise ignition.

Is it only keyless ignition cars that are vulnerable?  My 2009 CL500 isn't keyless but there is no metal into metal, the 'key' is a plastic plug that just pushes into a plastic socket.  It would fit into any CL500 socket (but wouldn't start the vehicle of course).

I was thinking of wiring in just the sort of simple hidden switch you mention.  It would only be a small chore to remember to flick it on each time, but wiring it in without upsetting something might be a big chore.
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 30 November 2023, 00:53:16
The previous model requires the key, ignition module, shifter module and engine ECU to be able to start the car/shift out of park as they were all considered theft relevant parts.

On the W221/216 the only theft relevant parts are the key,.ignition module and gearbox conductor plate (and possibly engine ECU). Plus all the keyless go stuff.

If it doesn't have keyless go, then it's going to reasonably secure from these remote attacks as you actually have to press a button on the fob to send the signal to unlock the doors. The keyless go stuff is constantly pinging out and when it gets near enough to the antennae on the car, it will unlock, and then if it still sees the signal then it will allow ignition and starting.

The thieving bastids simply use a signal booster to connect the key signal to the car receivers.
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: TheBoy on 30 November 2023, 12:59:41
If they want the car, they will turn up with a new ECU with the immobiliser programmed out (or use a tool that can quickly program is out).

Electronic security will always be flawed, physical security is every bit as important.  Crocklock anyone? ;D
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: STEMO on 30 November 2023, 13:04:06
If they want the car, they will turn up with a new ECU with the immobiliser programmed out (or use a tool that can quickly program is out).

Electronic security will always be flawed, physical security is every bit as important.  Crocklock anyone? ;D
Crocklock? Are you saying your car is a crock of shite?  ;D
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: TheBoy on 30 November 2023, 13:07:34
If they want the car, they will turn up with a new ECU with the immobiliser programmed out (or use a tool that can quickly program is out).

Electronic security will always be flawed, physical security is every bit as important.  Crocklock anyone? ;D
Crocklock? Are you saying your car is a crock of shite?  ;D
Now you mention it ;D.  Which means I dont need any security on it ;D
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 30 November 2023, 18:47:47
If they want the car, they will turn up with a new ECU with the immobiliser programmed out (or use a tool that can quickly program is out).

Electronic security will always be flawed, physical security is every bit as important.  Crocklock anyone? ;D
Crocklock? Are you saying your car is a crock of shite?  ;D
Now you mention it ;D.  Which means I dont need any security on it ;D
Especially as it constantly breaks with use :D
Title: Re: Gone In Seconds
Post by: TheBoy on 01 December 2023, 08:49:34
If they want the car, they will turn up with a new ECU with the immobiliser programmed out (or use a tool that can quickly program is out).

Electronic security will always be flawed, physical security is every bit as important.  Crocklock anyone? ;D
Crocklock? Are you saying your car is a crock of shite?  ;D
Now you mention it ;D.  Which means I dont need any security on it ;D
Especially as it constantly breaks with use :D
Generally, it only breaks when its coming home from holibobs.  Clearly it likes holibobs, and throws a tantrum when it knows its coming home  ;D